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I still don't see why they bother handing it off to Bush. His stats are inflated by a few big gains here and there. How are the other 12 carries for 1.4ypc going to help your team? Sure won't help them move the ball and pick up first downs. Is that 1 big run really worth it?And only 5 for Bush. Seems about right.It will switch around should the Saints get a noticeable lead.Still only 3 carries though
Still 7.3 points that I wouldn't have gotten from McGahee or Duece that I dropped last night to add him.And what is the stat line on Bush right now?6 rushes for 10 yds!As long as he getst the GL carries who cares!Still only 3 carries though
PT did not get it done on 3rd and 1 late in the 4th Quarter. If he would have gotten that yard I would feel much better about his role in the offense. As it is the running game in NO, if you can call it that, is very much up in the air. PT's stat line was not impressive at all.Still 7.3 points that I wouldn't have gotten from McGahee or Duece that I dropped last night to add him.And what is the stat line on Bush right now?6 rushes for 10 yds!As long as he getst the GL carries who cares!Still only 3 carries though
Deuce should have been called to carry the rock behind FB Mike Carney for the one yard they needed to sustain the drive and win the game but they didnt. He is being brought back slowly and S.P. has told him and the local media that Deuce is in the plans. For now P.T. is #2 but if he gets stuffed again on a one yard carry look for Deuce or Stecker to get more playing time. I would avoid the situation from a fantasy prospective if I could.
Or the 2 receptions for 29 yards.
there was a webchat with a guy from the Times-Pic i read today. he wrote,"Coach Payton said after the game that they 'are getting very close' with Deuce, meaning, I think, that Deuce is almost to the point where he can be factored fully into the gameplan. The Saints need McAllister. That was very apparent today. They don't have a hammer between the tackles and they need that to sustain drives."Again, this is the beat writer but still. Payton's "getting close" with Deuce...bushisdaman said:
As a Thomas owner I don't think it would be smart to ignore the possibility (perhaps very real possibility) that McAllister is given a chance to regain his starting job. I do not believe they would have kept him on the roster if they didn't think he could get that role back at some point. However, I think Deuce is done and I would say that even if I didn't have any horses in this race. The combination of age and all of his knee injuries leads me left with little belief he'll be a long-term factor for this team this season. So even if he were to regain his starting job or co-starter's role with Bush, I'd still consider Thomas a very nice upside play and I'd hang onto him. I just don't see Deuce finishing whatever he might start this season.
thomas may be a nice player but he can't run the hard yards. again, a third and short opportunity for thomas and he comes up short. it's hard for me to believe that they will turn to him again in that situation. dude just doesn't seem to have a nose for that kind of run this year. his limitations are becoming obvious.
Were there holes for him to run through on these short yardage plays or are you judging this by seeing the stats. When I have watched him run, I haven't seen him miss wholes at all. He alwasy seemed to have good vision..
Agreed. NO run blocking on 3rd and short by the O-line is not very good at all. In fact, as I was telling a friend of mine about it, the announcers started saying the exact same thing. They keep pulling the guard instead of trying to move the line and the RB's keep getting hit behind the LOS. I don't think any of those crucial 3rd and shorts were P. Thomas' fault.
\ed The Saints' run blocking is indeed pathetic.HOWEVER....Pierre is a finesse back and has never shown the ability to get the tough yardage. Meanwhile, Payton has a player over on the sideline who has repeatedly shown the ability to do just that even with crappy blocking and refuses to put him in the game.Payton repeats his mistakes over and over again. His arrogance cost his team a playoff berth last year, and has already lost the team 2 games this year. I can't believe the Saints actually gave this clown an extension.
From a fantasy perspective, Thomas has been very good the past two weeks. He's been a great flex option. But I do wonder if the failed chances on the short-yardage plays will lead to a change in his role. As others stated, the Saints' blocking in short yardage has been terrible but Thomas isn't a bruising, physical RB. Perhaps Payton would be smart to take a page from Shanahan's playbook and use all three of his RBs - Bush as the starter and primary RB; Thomas as the change-of-pace option getting 10-15 carries a game and McAllister the designated short-yardage RB. Assuming McAllister is healthy enough to play, of course.
With Westbook now out I'm thinking about doing the same, especially if they are going against a soft D.
Maybe that offensive line just plain sucks and can't push anybody around when it counts.
Very possible. I'll be interested to see Payton's comments if he's asked about those plays today - and I'm assuming he will be.
I agree. It's the old Barry Sanders debate. The Lions used to take him out at the goal line which was idiotic in my opinion. You don't remove your most explosive offensive player when you're on the verge of getting points. At the very least, you force the defense to account for him which opens up other possibilities. Same with the Saints and Bush. He needs to be on the field when they're near the goal line.
Even more of a reason for me to consider using him but I have the luxury of starting only one RB and my WRs depth is pretty strong.I LOVE have good quality RB and WR depth and picking up my QB and TE deep into the draft. 
Yea... but you say earlier, "dude just doesn't seem to have a nose for that kind of run this year. his limitations are becoming obvious. "his limitations are a pathetic offensive line. He appears to be around 50% in short yardage situations which isn't great... but isn't horrible either.
And I believe some of the limitations of Bush on the ground are because of that same reason. The line is decent at pass protection, but on run blocking they're just not good at the point of attack
Um...
At this point, I'm tired of trying to read the Saints tea leaves on this topic. He'll put Deuce in when he's ready apparently and not a moment before. The team has a stretch of games that are favorable match-ups. Winning takes care of everything.
I respect your opinion, and can see why Saints fans think Deuce can be a saviour due to sentimental attachment (he also seems like a stand up guy), but I wholeheartedly disagree. It's misplaced anger. They should be pissed at Payton but not because of not using Deuce but because they aren't using their resources to be a multi-faceted offensive threat. (more sets with Reggie and PT lined up)Call me crazy but as a Thomas owner, I'm partly hoping Deuce gets in there to just to put this whole thing to rest. I feel the threat of Deuce is less of a threat than this negative perception that their losses fall on Thomas' inability to cash in on 100 % of short yardage situations. He's a dynamic player and is being underused with the Saints. They have a lot more problems than Pierre Thomas, and I'd be very surprised if Deuce is the answer.
11 carries in the final game, i think. while i don't think it was "riding into the ground" i do think they we evaluating and showcasing him. the T-P beat reporter wrote something to this effect last week, i think. he thought it was possible that payton was giving deuce the extra carries in the preseason to showcase deuce for potential offers. deuce is a haslet holdover, after all, while thomas is a payton project. so deuce was given a chance with the hope that someone might trade for him but the offer never came. they could have put deuce on the PUP list at the start of the season but stecker's injury meant they needed that 3rd RB for games. again, this is just a theory offered by a beat writer....
If I owned PT I would hope the same thing but as a season ticket holder who has watched Deuce and PT in training camp and Preseason I can tell you this much, Deuce hasnt looked this good since before they drafted Reggie Bush, He has lost a lot of weight and is hitting holes hard and with power and has broken tackles when engaged by a big linebacker. That is something neither PT or Reggie Bush can do and it is sorely missed right now on our team. I wouldnt do anything with PT right now if I were you but you have to watch what happens with Deuces reps. If he starts seeing 10 carries he will separate himself from PT. And that will be time to sell PT.
It will probably be too late then. I'll likely just hang on in case Deuce gets injured. You are a Saints fan so while I stand by my take (biased as it might seem), I will keep an eye out on the situation but still find it surprising if all of the above is true why Payton isn't using him. He should have the closest look at what he has to offer and as good a reason to use him than anyone.
Haslett holdover or not, Look how well the Bush-Mcallister duo worked for Sean Payton in his first season as head coach. I dont think coach is selling Deuce out but if he is he certainly wont get offers by having him stand with his helmet on the sidelines. Listen to the audio on the link I gave you. Deuce is running 100% and is feeling no affects of the injury. Thats from the mouths of both Sean Payton and Deuce.
You are not alone. Many Saints fans are already jumping off the Sean Payton Bandwagon because of this bone headed move. Myself? I'm not off yet but the edge is very close
Maybe because Aaron Stecker got hurt. It's possible that if Stecker had remained healthy, Deuce wouldn't have been kept. But when Stecker got hurt, the Saints needed to have an emergency RB behind Bush and Thomas and so they decided to keep Deuce.
