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Anyone know when Bush is suppose to be back?
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Pierre Thomas OUT for Week 5 and now Week 6 (1 Viewer)
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packersfan
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It's possible I suppose but I don't see it. Betts had two critical mistakes against the Cardinals but Jones is awful. He doesn't do anything better than Betts or Ivory. He isn't a better runner, he isn't a better receiver and he isn't better in goal-line situations. I could be wrong but this move makes me think Thomas won't play this week and Payton wants to have another RB available in case Betts and Ivory frustrate him again.Fat Nick said:
Blind Tiger
Footballguy
jeffduncantp
#Saints just announced they've signed RB Julius Jones & S Matt Giordano & released PK John Carney & RB DeShawn Wynn.
#Saints just announced they've signed RB Julius Jones & S Matt Giordano & released PK John Carney & RB DeShawn Wynn.
flooredyas
Footballguy
Therein lies the answer-DEPTH replacement
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Ladell Betts fumbles and tips another pass causing an interception. Those two turnovers led directly to 14 points by the Cardinals. The Saints lost by 10. And now the SP thinks signing Julius Jones has anything to do with the current health of Pierre Thomas?
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm saying it could be a sign Thomas won't be ready. You think that's an outrageous statement to make?
Tenacious
Footballguy
Jump to conclusions much?You do know they waived DeShawn Wynn today right? Julius Jones is NOT a signal of anything regarding Pierre's long-term health.
Tenacious
Footballguy
Totally agree.
I'm not saying Pierre plays this week, who really knows? But the Jones signing is 99% irrelevant to PT.
Statler & Waldorf
Footballguy
I thought Pierre's injury looked really bad when I saw it on TV, but what do I know.
zamboni
Footballguy
If the Saints hadn't dropped Wynn upon picking up Jones, I'd think there were more to it regarding Thomas. But dropping one backup-to-the-backup's-backup RB for another backup-to-the-backup's-backup RB doesn't seem that big of a deal.
But who knows until the Thomas news comes out again this week.
But who knows until the Thomas news comes out again this week.
packersfan
Footballguy
Thomas did not practice today.
packersfan
Footballguy
From Jeff Duncan via Twitter:
jeffduncantp
Payton said Jones was signed as insurance for Pierre Thomas, should he not be able to go. Not a reflection on Ivory, Betts.
jeffduncantp
Payton said Jones was signed as insurance for Pierre Thomas, should he not be able to go. Not a reflection on Ivory, Betts.
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Breesisdaman
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rotoworld.com- Jeff Duncan of the New Orleans Times-Picayune predicts that Pierre Thomas (ankle) will not play in Week 6.
Duncan is likely reading tea leaves -- the same ones we can read. Thomas still can't practice, and the Saints have shown that they're concerned by signing street free agent running backs and admitting Thomas still has "soreness and swelling" in his ankle. It'd be another missed opportunity for Thomas. The Saints' Week 6 opponent, Tampa, ranks 30th in run defense. Oct. 13 - 5:36 pm et
Source: Jeff Duncan on Twitter
Duncan is likely reading tea leaves -- the same ones we can read. Thomas still can't practice, and the Saints have shown that they're concerned by signing street free agent running backs and admitting Thomas still has "soreness and swelling" in his ankle. It'd be another missed opportunity for Thomas. The Saints' Week 6 opponent, Tampa, ranks 30th in run defense. Oct. 13 - 5:36 pm et
Source: Jeff Duncan on Twitter
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djjosee
Footballguy
Week 4 - picked up Betts (last minute) / started him - dropped him the following TuesdayWeek 5 - picked up Betts (last minute) / started him - dropped him the following TuesdayWeek 6 - I can't do it again ... can I?PS - Title really needs to be changed,CBS is saying maybe 2 weeks
THE FANTASY KING
Footballguy
This is one of the few guys I got wrong this year - Thomas has been a complete bust in what I thought would be a breakout year. You cannot predict injuries so I guess I should not be too upset with myself, but it has left a hole at my RB2 spot in a 16 team dynasty league I am in, and I just can not get it off of my mind.
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THE FANTASY KING
Regards,
THE FANTASY KING
Good info here.
davidwb
Footballguy
re: your response to Finley in another threat. you may not be able to forecast injuries, but they're forgivable if the player isn't hyped too much???
shadyridr
Footballguy
I would dump his ### so quick if I could. I would take a Torain for him
packersfan
Footballguy
I don't think anything has changed compared to the last two games. Betts is the play in PPR leagues; Ivory is the play in standard leagues.
Betts. Ivory being charged with a felony
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
I would say Ivory
sometimes dont you have that feeling that they arent telling us the whole story? smells of high ankle sprain or worse, no evidence just a feeling...
so 2 weeks no practice. 3rd week still no practice. julius jones signing. something just doesnt feel good about the whole situation.
hopefully i am completely wrong and he is healthy enough to play sunday.
so 2 weeks no practice. 3rd week still no practice. julius jones signing. something just doesnt feel good about the whole situation.
hopefully i am completely wrong and he is healthy enough to play sunday.
I have a feeling Ivory will be the play this week. I think the Saints are really going to make an effort to focus on the run this week against a weak Run D. They got it away from it last week against the Cardinals and it cost them. Ivory so far has played mostly in pure run situations and I think the gameplan for the Saints is probably to get Ivory 15 plus carries this week.
A lot will depend on the score in the game though. The Saints still don't seem comforatable at all with Ivory as a pass blocker so if they get down in the game it will likely mean more Betts and less Ivory.
If they are winning late then I would expect to see a heavy dose of Ivory late. I honestly don't think Jones factors in much at all this week and if he does it will be at Betts expense in passing situations IMO.
A lot will depend on the score in the game though. The Saints still don't seem comforatable at all with Ivory as a pass blocker so if they get down in the game it will likely mean more Betts and less Ivory.
If they are winning late then I would expect to see a heavy dose of Ivory late. I honestly don't think Jones factors in much at all this week and if he does it will be at Betts expense in passing situations IMO.
packersfan
Footballguy
Jones isn't a third-down RB. I don't see him impacting Betts much at all there unless Betts makes more mistakes. That's the only way I see Jones getting on the field substantially - if Betts and/or Ivory muck up. Both have done that so it's possible but assuming neither one makes an egregious error I think we'll see the same pattern we've seen the last two games - Betts and Ivory splitting rushing attempts with Betts getting the third-down work and Ivory being the top choice near the goal line.
packersfan
Footballguy
I think Betts and Ivory have both looked much better this season than Jones has looked in years. I'm not ruling anything out because the Saints clearly aren't getting what they want or need from the running game with Thomas and Bush hurt but I don't see Jones as anything more than an emergency option. He doesn't know the system, doesn't have Betts' third-down skills (and do not underestimate the trust factor Brees has with Betts; that's huge given this is a passing offense) and I don't think he has Ivory's talent. I think he'll need Betts and/or Ivory to massively screw up (which could happen) in order to receive a meaningful role.
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Baron Samedi
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atcdav said:
This news is 2009 old my man and one the reasons he wasnt drafted. Please post info in context because this event has absolutely nothing to do with week 6 playing time.
VaTerp
Footballguy
I agree. Obviously the injury is more substantial than what was initially revealed.It's funny that in the first thread about this injury 3 Sundays ago people were saying it was a non issue b/c he re-entered the game and I was even asked why I was making a big deal out of it when I expressed some concern.3 weeks later and he's still not practicing. FF wise I've been able to get by ok but will likely need PT as my flex or even RB2 depending on how things shake out. I'm just hoping that he comes back as close to 100% as possible and gives owners a solid contribution down the stretch.sometimes dont you have that feeling that they arent telling us the whole story? smells of high ankle sprain or worse, no evidence just a feeling...so 2 weeks no practice. 3rd week still no practice. julius jones signing. something just doesnt feel good about the whole situation.hopefully i am completely wrong and he is healthy enough to play sunday.
After last week ?!?! I don't think that trust is what it was a week ago. Betts was a disaster!
packersfan
Footballguy
He's still much better in pass pro than Ivory or Jones. I doubt he loses his role there.
Bill Haverchuck
Footballguy
he is killing me. I accepted a trade for him. Traded Thomas, and Brandon Tate for Michael Bush and Steve Smith.
Picked up Betts a few weeks ago, but I need help at rb. As a previous poster said, could be like the issue with Anthony Gonzalez from last year, so I got rid of him.
Picked up Betts a few weeks ago, but I need help at rb. As a previous poster said, could be like the issue with Anthony Gonzalez from last year, so I got rid of him.
packersfan
Footballguy
Thomas sat out practice again today.
yep...
Pierre Thomas (ankle) was held out of practice again on Thursday.
Thomas is at least "progressing" according to coach Sean Payton. "We are monitoring it, and we will see where he is tomorrow," said Payton via the Saints' official Twitter account. Reliable beat writer Jeff Duncan expects Thomas to sit out one more week, and we've seen nothing to lead us to believe otherwise. Expect Ladell Betts and Chris Ivory to split production once again.
Pierre Thomas (ankle) was held out of practice again on Thursday.
Thomas is at least "progressing" according to coach Sean Payton. "We are monitoring it, and we will see where he is tomorrow," said Payton via the Saints' official Twitter account. Reliable beat writer Jeff Duncan expects Thomas to sit out one more week, and we've seen nothing to lead us to believe otherwise. Expect Ladell Betts and Chris Ivory to split production once again.
Brees is the franchise. No way they subject him to being back there without a back that can block. And I watched the game. Yes Betts dropped that center screen, but it's not like he's Reggie Bush, why is Brees even THROWING him the center screen at the 5 yard line. With another week of practice, I fully expect that Betts is in for the large majority of snaps this week.packersfan said:
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I would dump his ### so quick if I could. I would take a Torain for him
Phurfur
Footballguy
Does that mean there is a possibility he is out for the year?
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videoguy505
Footballguy
Thomas & Bush out for week 6
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
videoguy505
Footballguy
I should have said "officially" out for week 6, per the team.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Can we change the thread title?
The most that has been said that it was an ankle injury. Payton said it wasn't a high ankle sprain. There was a weird week where some sources were reporting a new injury to his knee, but nothing seemed to come of that. The Saints don't have a bye until week 10 so they aren't trying to buy time until then. Have to hope the Saints are playing it really careful and letting him heal all the way.
