Pierre Thomas OUT for Week 5 and now Week 6 (1 Viewer)

[Dr. Awesome]

Is it time to sell low? Season quickly going down the drain. Might offer up for Deangelo.

I just offered Lynch for Pierre. If he's just bench material you might as well buy low on the frenchman.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

If only the NFL was played in a pool, Pierre would be running all over defenses!

 

[zamboni]

They might hold him out till after the bye - maybe even IR him if Ivory keeps producing.

I can't see that unless he's really badly hurt.While Thomas may not be the most dynamic runner, he does a lot of things for that offense that helps make it click - getting the tough yards, receiving, pass protection, etc. Same thing with Bush (minus the tough yards).

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

They might hold him out till after the bye - maybe even IR him if Ivory keeps producing.

I can't see that unless he's really badly hurt.While Thomas may not be the most dynamic runner, he does a lot of things for that offense that helps make it click - getting the tough yards, receiving, pass protection, etc. Same thing with Bush (minus the tough yards).

Pierre Thomas is out of NO after this season anyways - if Ivory keeps producing than what is the incentive to bring Thomas back before the bye week?Furthermore if the ankle is really hindering him what's the point of having a 50% Pierre Thomas - they could just role with Betts and Ivory.

 

[zamboni]

They might hold him out till after the bye - maybe even IR him if Ivory keeps producing.

I can't see that unless he's really badly hurt.While Thomas may not be the most dynamic runner, he does a lot of things for that offense that helps make it click - getting the tough yards, receiving, pass protection, etc. Same thing with Bush (minus the tough yards).

Pierre Thomas is out of NO after this season anyways - if Ivory keeps producing than what is the incentive to bring Thomas back before the bye week?Furthermore if the ankle is really hindering him what's the point of having a 50% Pierre Thomas - they could just role with Betts and Ivory.

Each of Betts and Ivory bring something to the table - Ivory as a runner, Betts as a receiver/pass protector - but the offense seems more predictable in that sense when either is in the game. Thomas is a more dynamic threat.But yes, Thomas at much less than 100% doesn't do them much good.

 

[cvnpoka]

the Saints will address the RB position in the offseason.....He will either be marginalized by a RB addition by the Saints or he will go to another team in no better than a timeshare situation.

can you show your work here?

This is my just my conjecture based on reading between the lines for last couple of years. Trying to trade for Beanie, Mike Bell, not giving Pierre a contract extension, the chatter about Hamilton in the preseason. I've always had rose colored glasses when it comes to PT and when he plays he's a borderline #1 back....he's just always nicked up. I really think they had a lot of faith in Lynell Hamilton this offseason and he was going to have a significant piece of the running game..a la Mike Bell. Next year someone else will be heavily involved...Hamilton, Ivory, new addition. If he goes to another team as a free agent it will be part of a timeshare. Based on his history, no one will give him the keys to the franchise RB spot. There aren't that many jobs available out there anyway. If you have him in a dynasty league and want to roll with him next year..be my guest. I am offering a realistic view of the situation.

i dont have thomas in dynasty or keeper. it just seems that good franchises dont go out of their way to address need at the expense of accumulating the best players. esp at a position that has been productive, and is in general replaceable. if an rb that the saints are high on is available in the draft, ofc they will snag him. if they dont draft anyone, or find a free agent bargain, i dont think they will overpay pierre either. tho, i would anticipate pierre does not generate much of a market. i would think at this point, the saints would be fine to roll next yr with pierre, bush and ivory all fulfilling different roles based on their skill sets.

 

[cvnpoka]

They might hold him out till after the bye - maybe even IR him if Ivory keeps producing.

I can't see that unless he's really badly hurt.While Thomas may not be the most dynamic runner, he does a lot of things for that offense that helps make it click - getting the tough yards, receiving, pass protection, etc. Same thing with Bush (minus the tough yards).

Pierre Thomas is out of NO after this season anyways - if Ivory keeps producing than what is the incentive to bring Thomas back before the bye week?Furthermore if the ankle is really hindering him what's the point of having a 50% Pierre Thomas - they could just role with Betts and Ivory.

jesus man, find a way to post more conjecture. im fairly sure that free agents dont automatically leave their teams. pierre is important and valuable to the saints and i think they appreciate them. ofc, i highly doubt they will break the bank for him, nor should they, but i also doubt other teams will drive the price up. pierre has a unique skillset that i would guess few teams would be enticed by. its very possible that pierre is of most value to the saints, and that the market reflects that.

 

[mcintyre1]

They might hold him out till after the bye - maybe even IR him if Ivory keeps producing.

I can't see that unless he's really badly hurt.While Thomas may not be the most dynamic runner, he does a lot of things for that offense that helps make it click - getting the tough yards, receiving, pass protection, etc. Same thing with Bush (minus the tough yards).

Pierre Thomas is out of NO after this season anyways - if Ivory keeps producing than what is the incentive to bring Thomas back before the bye week?Furthermore if the ankle is really hindering him what's the point of having a 50% Pierre Thomas - they could just role with Betts and Ivory.

jesus man, find a way to post more conjecture. im fairly sure that free agents dont automatically leave their teams. pierre is important and valuable to the saints and i think they appreciate them. ofc, i highly doubt they will break the bank for him, nor should they, but i also doubt other teams will drive the price up. pierre has a unique skillset that i would guess few teams would be enticed by. its very possible that pierre is of most value to the saints, and that the market reflects that.

1) As evidenced by the fact that they gave him a pretty terrible RFA offer?

2) A skillset of good running inside and outside of the tackles, paired with excellent receiving skills? Yeah, no other team wants that.

Pierre is out of these after this season when another team overpays him. He's no world beater, but some team will think he can be their feature back, and he will jump for the money. Especially after New Orleans fails to make the Super Bowl.

 

[Breesisdaman]

They might hold him out till after the bye - maybe even IR him if Ivory keeps producing.

I can't see that unless he's really badly hurt.While Thomas may not be the most dynamic runner, he does a lot of things for that offense that helps make it click - getting the tough yards, receiving, pass protection, etc. Same thing with Bush (minus the tough yards).

Pierre Thomas is out of NO after this season anyways - if Ivory keeps producing than what is the incentive to bring Thomas back before the bye week?Furthermore if the ankle is really hindering him what's the point of having a 50% Pierre Thomas - they could just role with Betts and Ivory.

jesus man, find a way to post more conjecture. im fairly sure that free agents dont automatically leave their teams. pierre is important and valuable to the saints and i think they appreciate them. ofc, i highly doubt they will break the bank for him, nor should they, but i also doubt other teams will drive the price up. pierre has a unique skillset that i would guess few teams would be enticed by. its very possible that pierre is of most value to the saints, and that the market reflects that.

1) As evidenced by the fact that they gave him a pretty terrible RFA offer?

2) A skillset of good running inside and outside of the tackles, paired with excellent receiving skills? Yeah, no other team wants that.

Pierre is out of these after this season when another team overpays him. He's no world beater, but some team will think he can be their feature back, and he will jump for the money. Especially after New Orleans fails to make the Super Bowl.

Now you are just being silly

 

[Phurfur]

They might hold him out till after the bye - maybe even IR him if Ivory keeps producing.

I can't see that unless he's really badly hurt.While Thomas may not be the most dynamic runner, he does a lot of things for that offense that helps make it click - getting the tough yards, receiving, pass protection, etc. Same thing with Bush (minus the tough yards).

Pierre Thomas is out of NO after this season anyways - if Ivory keeps producing than what is the incentive to bring Thomas back before the bye week?Furthermore if the ankle is really hindering him what's the point of having a 50% Pierre Thomas - they could just role with Betts and Ivory.

Settle down, Ivory has had one good game against the 3rd worst run defense. This entire scenario will have to play out.

 

[cvnpoka]

1) As evidenced by the fact that they gave him a pretty terrible RFA offer?

2) A skillset of good running inside and outside of the tackles, paired with excellent receiving skills? Yeah, no other team wants that.

Pierre is out of these after this season when another team overpays him. He's no world beater, but some team will think he can be their feature back, and he will jump for the money. Especially after New Orleans fails to make the Super Bowl.

well, i suppose we just disagree on the likelihood of bolded occurring.im not familiar with the rfa offer they gave, or what their (and pierres) other options were.

 

[Diamond]

It's sort of a catch-22: Unless he comes back strong, nobody is going to make an oft-injured RB a feature back type offer next year, and if he does come back strong, the Saints will probably want him back...

 

[Da Guru]

Pierre makes Fragile Fred look like an Ironman.

 

[packersfan]

Thomas did not practice again today.

 

[ShaqAttaq]

i don't expect him until after the bye

 

[zamboni]

Looking more like Betts-ony and Ivory again.

 

[cvnpoka]

i don't expect him until after the bye

he said 4-6. that puts him back before the bye. thats what i would expect.

 

[Tacos al Carboner]

i don't expect him until after the bye

he said 4-6. that puts him back before the bye. thats what i would expect.

Where did someone say that?

 

[cvnpoka]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/39691431/ns/...ts-player_news/

 

[Breesisdaman]

That 4-6 week thing was from Pierre, which is what the Doctors told him originally. As we all know, those of us that have suffered any type of injury, this time frame is an estimate given by the doctor because people heal at different rates. Complications after the injury such as swelling may alter that original time frame.

Ultimately it will be up to the team physicians and coach Payton to decide when Pierre is ready for duty again. As long as he is not practicing I would count Pierre out.

 

[Nero]

I thought it was a minor miracle when he came back in for a play after what was definitely a HAS. Maybe that play made it worse than it would have been.

 

[HenryMuto]

Made of glass

 

[Yenrub]

Pierre makes Fragile Fred look like an Ironman.

I have both on my roster

 

[shadyridr]

I wouldnt be surprised if he had some type of surgery and theyre keeping it quiet like Beanie Wells.

 

[cvnpoka]

would agree if it was a knee injury (and it could have been as the replay shows) but i dont think ankles are prone to such surgical repairs.

 

[shadyridr]

would agree if it was a knee injury (and it could have been as the replay shows) but i dont think ankles are prone to such surgical repairs.

at this point I dont even believe its an ankle injury. Maybe meniscus and hes not having the surgery?

 

[cvnpoka]

ya i would not be surprised if it was actually a knee injury and that he had meniscus surgery.

 

[Hoart Petterson]

If you saw the play he was injured on I don't know how anyone could call him soft. The way his leg bent in slo-mo I was sure he was done for the season. Then, to my surprise, he comes back in the game and makes a huge contribution to get his team into FG range in overtime. Hartley missed the chip shot and they wound up losing the game but to see PT go back in there for that play, basically on one leg and knowing what we do now about the extent of the injury and how long it's kept him out makes me have more admiration for the guy, not less. He's a warrior.

 

[cvnpoka]

its idiotic to call anyone in the nfl soft, let alone a rb.

any player in the league that is put in that situation ends up with a sprained ankle or worse. the difference is that some players are so strong, fast, agile and smart that they can avoid such dangerous interactions. health is a skill to an extent, but there is a ton of luck involved.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Pierre makes Fragile Fred look like an Ironman.

Taylor played in 84 out of 96 games from 2002-2008 -- only Jamal Lewis and LaDainian Tomlinson started more games than him during that span. Taylor's career was bookended by injuries, but he was an ironman in between.

 

[supersportniner]

Just picked up pierre off the waiver wire

 

[CalBear]

Pierre makes Fragile Fred look like an Ironman.

You mean Fred Taylor, who was #5 in games played and #7 in carries from 2002-2007? I'll take that kind of fragility any day.

 

[Slevin Kelevra]

Just picked up pierre off the waiver wire

You should've picked up Ivory

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Trying to trade Pierre for Hart now.

 

[shadyridr]

Just picked up pierre off the waiver wire

congrats?

 

[zamboni]

Thomas now ruled out for week 7.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2010/...i_greer_an.html

The Saints officially ruled out cornerback Tracy Porter (knee) and tailbacks Pierre Thomas (ankle) and Reggie Bush (leg).

Payton said the team is targeting next week as a possible return date for Bush, while Porter would likely target a Week 9 return at Carolina. He didn't want to speculated on a return date for Thomas, though, because Thomas' ankle injury has already lingered on much longer than expected.

 

[eoMMan]

Thomas now ruled out for week 7.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2010/...i_greer_an.html

The Saints officially ruled out cornerback Tracy Porter (knee) and tailbacks Pierre Thomas (ankle) and Reggie Bush (leg).

Payton said the team is targeting next week as a possible return date for Bush, while Porter would likely target a Week 9 return at Carolina. He didn't want to speculated on a return date for Thomas, though, because Thomas' ankle injury has already lingered on much longer than expected.

Riding the Ivory train....

 

[Tacos al Carboner]

Thomas now ruled out for week 7.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2010/...i_greer_an.html

The Saints officially ruled out cornerback Tracy Porter (knee) and tailbacks Pierre Thomas (ankle) and Reggie Bush (leg).

Payton said the team is targeting next week as a possible return date for Bush, while Porter would likely target a Week 9 return at Carolina. He didn't want to speculated on a return date for Thomas, though, because Thomas' ankle injury has already lingered on much longer than expected.

Riding the Ivory train....

####

 

[John 14:6]

Thomas now ruled out for week 7.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2010/...i_greer_an.html

The Saints officially ruled out cornerback Tracy Porter (knee) and tailbacks Pierre Thomas (ankle) and Reggie Bush (leg).

Payton said the team is targeting next week as a possible return date for Bush, while Porter would likely target a Week 9 return at Carolina. He didn't want to speculated on a return date for Thomas, though, because Thomas' ankle injury has already lingered on much longer than expected.

Riding the Ivory train....

Ditto!

 

[tonyftony716]

Thomas now ruled out for week 7.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2010/...i_greer_an.html

The Saints officially ruled out cornerback Tracy Porter (knee) and tailbacks Pierre Thomas (ankle) and Reggie Bush (leg).

Payton said the team is targeting next week as a possible return date for Bush, while Porter would likely target a Week 9 return at Carolina. He didn't want to speculated on a return date for Thomas, though, because Thomas' ankle injury has already lingered on much longer than expected.

Riding the Ivory train....

Ditto!

Frustrating. Would have put him on I/R weeks ago. Now , with a four week minimum for I/r do I take the chance ?

 

[zamboni]

Riding the Ivory train....

Hoping for an Ivory Coast over the Brownies.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

CBS added this little tidbit.....

Pierre Thomas, RB NO

News: Saints RB Pierre Thomas (ankle) has been ruled out for Week 7 against the Browns. He has now missed four straight games with this injury, and coach Sean Payton said Friday that Thomas is behind schedule.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think the Saints are full of crap. They knew this injury was worse than what they were saying, they must think everyone else is a moron not to see through it. They say the same thing every week, it's really unbelievable.

Peyton is admitting Thomas is behind schedule? Really dude, I don't need you to have to admit that for me to not already know it. I didn't need their bullcrap each week to know that he was not going to be back when I saw the play a month ago.

Look for Thomas to be back after the bye, getting the majority of the carries, to look a little rusty and he'll be spelled by Ivory with a sprinkling of Bush too as he'll be back close to then as well.

There, that's the real report.

 

[PRE42]

Thomas now ruled out for week 7.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2010/...i_greer_an.html

The Saints officially ruled out cornerback Tracy Porter (knee) and tailbacks Pierre Thomas (ankle) and Reggie Bush (leg).

Payton said the team is targeting next week as a possible return date for Bush, while Porter would likely target a Week 9 return at Carolina. He didn't want to speculated on a return date for Thomas, though, because Thomas' ankle injury has already lingered on much longer than expected.

Riding the Ivory train....

Ditto!

Dittoed

 

[FavreCo]

I think the Saints are full of crap. They knew this injury was worse than what they were saying, they must think everyone else is a moron not to see through it. They say the same thing every week, it's really unbelievable. Peyton is admitting Thomas is behind schedule? Really dude, I don't need you to have to admit that for me to not already know it. I didn't need their bullcrap each week to know that he was not going to be back when I saw the play a month ago.Look for Thomas to be back after the bye, getting the majority of the carries, to look a little rusty and he'll be spelled by Ivory with a sprinkling of Bush too as he'll be back close to then as well. There, that's the real report.

I couldn't beleive the guy played some snaps after that injury.

 

[cvnpoka]

I think the Saints are full of crap. They knew this injury was worse than what they were saying, they must think everyone else is a moron not to see through it. They say the same thing every week, it's really unbelievable. Peyton is admitting Thomas is behind schedule? Really dude, I don't need you to have to admit that for me to not already know it. I didn't need their bullcrap each week to know that he was not going to be back when I saw the play a month ago.Look for Thomas to be back after the bye, getting the majority of the carries, to look a little rusty and he'll be spelled by Ivory with a sprinkling of Bush too as he'll be back close to then as well. There, that's the real report.

I couldn't beleive the guy played some snaps after that injury.

made of glass, no toughness tho...

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Keep holding???? Getting frustrating....

 

[nickel&dime]

Keep holding???? Getting frustrating....

I found a round table discussion on this topic from a few experts, including Sig Bloom.I don't see how you can do anything other than hold him and hope for the best at this point. His market value is too low to get anything in return and who would you drop him for that's available AND has more "upside" than Pierre?

Hold the stock. He's worth a bench spot for a couple more weeks until we know what's up.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

More frustrating news for PT owners

Payton said P.Thomas saw a local foot & ankle speciliast this week, the 3rd doctor to evaluate his injury. Advice was to reduce the workload

http://twitter.com/jeffduncantp

 

[zamboni]

More frustrating news for PT owners

Payton said P.Thomas saw a local foot & ankle speciliast this week, the 3rd doctor to evaluate his injury. Advice was to reduce the workload

http://twitter.com/jeffduncantp

From zero to negative carries?