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With Deuce presumably back, does Thomas take a back seat again? I see a potential coinflip here every week as to which back compliments Bush. Thomas has looked good when given carries, but with Deuce active again is there any chance he gets 10+ touches a week from here on out?

 
If Thomas isnt seen as good enough for the "power back" situations, he has issues.

Theres simply not enough balls to go around.

Bush gets 12-20 touches. And Duece will get 10 that includes short yardage.

That leaves very little for Pierre to thrive on.

His style needed to be able to compliment Bush.

Not sure if anything might change when Colston and Shockey get back.

I had noted with them out the Saints offense was very undersized, and Duece gives them some bulk.

 
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Pierre still seems like the Reggie insurance. Not sure Deuce can handle the load if Reggie gets hurt. And, while Thomas cannot do what Reggies does in that offense, he can probably handle more of it than Deuce can if Bush is out.

 
The Saints were successful running the ball with McAllister.

Bush's wasn't used as much and Thomas wasn't used at all.

In the short term, this will be the McAllister/Bush backfield.

The Saints will pound McAllister until he gets dinged up enough that he can't be counted on each week and then Thomas will start again.

It's a win-win for the Saints since they've got good RB depth and everybody gets to stay healthy.

McAllister is the Thunder and Bush is the lightning and if either of them gets hurt then Thomas can serve either role and play them both well.

I still like Thomas a lot because with both McAllister and Bush, it's just a matter of time before one of them goes down.

Very similar to the Fitzgerald/Boldin/Breaston situation and why I think Breaston has a lot of value.

 
I like Thomas next year. He just needs to bulk up a bit to handle those tough inside yards.

 
Both Deuce & Reggie are high probability injury risks. It's not a matter of "if" one of them goes down, but "when" & "for how long".

Pierre will be valuable once again when that happens, but I fear he may now be completely useless in case that day never comes.

 
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The Saints were successful running the ball with McAllister. Bush's wasn't used as much and Thomas wasn't used at all. In the short term, this will be the McAllister/Bush backfield. The Saints will pound McAllister until he gets dinged up enough that he can't be counted on each week and then Thomas will start again. It's a win-win for the Saints since they've got good RB depth and everybody gets to stay healthy. McAllister is the Thunder and Bush is the lightning and if either of them gets hurt then Thomas can serve either role and play them both well. I still like Thomas a lot because with both McAllister and Bush, it's just a matter of time before one of them goes down. Very similar to the Fitzgerald/Boldin/Breaston situation and why I think Breaston has a lot of value.
:confused: Too bad my roster is only 14 spots else i would have gotten Breaston to protect my stock in Boldin but you just can't do it with every position and handle bye weeks too. I do have Thomas and think his stock will soar if Bush or McAillister gets hurt. I'm in a PPR league and can't risk losing Thomas in case of an injury to either.
 
Both Deuce & Reggie are high probability injury risks. It's not a matter of "if" one of them goes down, but "when" & "for how long".

Pierre will be valuable once again when that happens, but I fear he may now be completely useless if that day never comes.
You just said it's not a matter of if. :goodposting: ...make up your mind.

 
Once Deuce goes down, which is any minute now, Thomas will be valuable once again. Roster him for a playoff run if you have the room.

 
With Deuce presumably back, does Thomas take a back seat again? I see a potential coinflip here every week as to which back compliments Bush. Thomas has looked good when given carries, but with Deuce active again is there any chance he gets 10+ touches a week from here on out?
YesPT is 4th on the depth Chart behind1. Bush2.Deuce3.Stecker4. P.TIf you have Bush or Deuce P.T. is insurance, thats the extent of his value unless you have a scoring system that awards a lot of kick return points
 
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Once Deuce goes down, which is any minute now, Thomas will be valuable once again. Roster him for a playoff run if you have the room.
I think Dr. James Andrews out did his own high standards on Deuces surgery. I have no concerns about him to be honest.
 
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Let's bump this up. Bush leaves game today with aggravation of sore knee. Thoughts on Pierre Thomas, short-term and long-term?

 
Let's bump this up. Bush leaves game today with aggravation of sore knee. Thoughts on Pierre Thomas, short-term and long-term?
I bet they Give Reggie next week off, then the bye... and then he would of had a couple of weeks off. Hopefully he'd be back afterwards... but PT could be a sneaky play.
 
Let's bump this up. Bush leaves game today with aggravation of sore knee. Thoughts on Pierre Thomas, short-term and long-term?
I bet they Give Reggie next week off, then the bye... and then he would of had a couple of weeks off. Hopefully he'd be back afterwards... but PT could be a sneaky play.
I dont think Reggie is that bad off but if he is it will be full blown RBBC between Deuce, Stecker and PT with most of the offensive plays being PASS. I would pass.
 
Which guy is the better receiver? I don't know the answer so I'm asking. My guess is that the answer is Pierre Thomas who had a better yards per reception last year as well as yards per rush and since he's the KR guy this year and last he's probably the quicker guy. Both RB's are 5-10/5-11 and weigh 211-213 so we don't learn anything there. I don't own either guy but I'd roll my dice that Thomas is the better talent and makes a better Reggie Bush replacement than Stecker due to his KR quickness. To be honest though, if Bush is out this week, NO could just as easily give all the carries to McAllister so I'm staying away from this one with a 10 foot pole.

 
I think Thomas could be useful the next three weeks. He has talent. The fact that he isn't Deuce doesn't diminish the fact that he can be effective, especially receiving out of the backfield.

 
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I think Thomas could be useful the next three weeks. He has talent. The fact that he isn't Deuce doesn't diminish the fact that he can be effective, especially receiving out of the backfield.
3 weeks is probably best case scenario. Pierre should be picked up regardless wheres he available
 
I'm guessing 10-12 touches for Deuce, 8 for Thomas/Stecker, and 4 for the odd man out. Pretty ugly for everyone, really. Deuce will at least get the goal line.

Man, I absolutely have NO depth on the team with Bush... Ugh.

 
Deuce is not available on most Waiver wires but if he is run and get him!

I still see RBBC and Stecker is actually the better pass catching back of the 3 so dont look past him when adding value to these guys.

The original pecking order for that backfield was Deuce, Bush , Stecker and then P.T. Reggie obviously took over the load after Deuces injury last year and then Bush got hurt and Stecker carried the load then after Stecker got injured PT had his shot for a couple of games.

This year when Deuce came back no one really expected him to unseat Reggie Bush as the primary ball carrier but now with Reggie out for a few games, Deuce has his opportunity to show he can hold up to the punishment. However I think Sean Payton will not push his luck with Deuce and the number of carries he gets for fear he too might re injure his ACL. PT will get some carries but now with Stecker in the picture the question will be how much? At any rate the Saints are a pass first offense so if you are looking at PT or Stecker to start for your team I hope you are in a deep league.

 
Deuce is not available on most Waiver wires but if he is run and get him! I still see RBBC and Stecker is actually the better pass catching back of the 3 so dont look past him when adding value to these guys.The original pecking order for that backfield was Deuce, Bush , Stecker and then P.T. Reggie obviously took over the load after Deuces injury last year and then Bush got hurt and Stecker carried the load then after Stecker got injured PT had his shot for a couple of games. This year when Deuce came back no one really expected him to unseat Reggie Bush as the primary ball carrier but now with Reggie out for a few games, Deuce has his opportunity to show he can hold up to the punishment. However I think Sean Payton will not push his luck with Deuce and the number of carries he gets for fear he too might re injure his ACL. PT will get some carries but now with Stecker in the picture the question will be how much? At any rate the Saints are a pass first offense so if you are looking at PT or Stecker to start for your team I hope you are in a deep league.
I think NO's passing prediliction is the one thing that would make stecker or thomas worth starting (in PPR). Whoever gets the most touches between the two of them will probably be getting a good chunk of them in the passing game, while deuce handles the running.
 
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I think Thomas could be useful the next three weeks. He has talent. The fact that he isn't Deuce doesn't diminish the fact that he can be effective, especially receiving out of the backfield.
3 weeks is probably best case scenario. Pierre should be picked up regardless wheres he available
You know I had this same surgery, twice in the same knee. The first time it never was quite right. Maybe they didn't remove enough of the torn meniscus the first time. The second time it took a few months before It felt right and that was with me doing PT 3 times a week. Bush will easily miss 4-6 games i think but then again this is Dr. James Andrews we are talking about doing his surgery.
 
Deuce is not available on most Waiver wires but if he is run and get him!

I still see RBBC and Stecker is actually the better pass catching back of the 3 so dont look past him when adding value to these guys.

The original pecking order for that backfield was Deuce, Bush , Stecker and then P.T. Reggie obviously took over the load after Deuces injury last year and then Bush got hurt and Stecker carried the load then after Stecker got injured PT had his shot for a couple of games.

This year when Deuce came back no one really expected him to unseat Reggie Bush as the primary ball carrier but now with Reggie out for a few games, Deuce has his opportunity to show he can hold up to the punishment. However I think Sean Payton will not push his luck with Deuce and the number of carries he gets for fear he too might re injure his ACL. PT will get some carries but now with Stecker in the picture the question will be how much? At any rate the Saints are a pass first offense so if you are looking at PT or Stecker to start for your team I hope you are in a deep league.
I think NO's passing prediliction is the one thing that would make stecker or thomas worth starting (in PPR). Whoever gets the most touches between the two of them will probably be getting a good chunk of them in the passing game, while deuce handles the running.
Correct although if you check Deuces history, he caught quite a few passes out of that position. Sean Payton never really used him like that because he drafted Bush in his first draft but Haslett had Deuce doing runs and passes. I have no clue what Sean Payton will do now because for the first time Deuce is the one healthy and Bush is injured. Time will tell.I started a topic on the Saints board if you want to check other Saints fans responses on this issue:

http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthr...009#post1484009

 
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I've never been clear on the man-love I read for P Thomas. Over the last three games before today Deuce had 39 carries and three catches. Thomas had 4 carries and no catches.

Today after Reggie went out in the first half - Deuce ended up with 9 carries for 47 yards and one catch. Thomas had one carry (2 yds) and no catches.

I can see Thomas getting some more action with Reggie out, but can someone explain to me why they would choose Thomas over Deuce? Deuce had as many as 20 carries when Reggie was healthy. I think he will get around 20 with Reggie out and Pierre will be a 3rd down type RB.

I have not watched much Saints football so maybe I am missing something. But until someone can give me some solid logic on the Pierre choice - Deuce is the man I go after.

 
I've never been clear on the man-love I read for P Thomas. Over the last three games before today Deuce had 39 carries and three catches. Thomas had 4 carries and no catches.Today after Reggie went out in the first half - Deuce ended up with 9 carries for 47 yards and one catch. Thomas had one carry (2 yds) and no catches. I can see Thomas getting some more action with Reggie out, but can someone explain to me why they would choose Thomas over Deuce? Deuce had as many as 20 carries when Reggie was healthy. I think he will get around 20 with Reggie out and Pierre will be a 3rd down type RB.I have not watched much Saints football so maybe I am missing something. But until someone can give me some solid logic on the Pierre choice - Deuce is the man I go after.
I think most of the people who are talking about Thomas are doing so for one of two reasons:1) McAllister is already rostered in their league. If McAllister is not available, and you think he will not be able to carry a full load, then I can certainly see someone thinking Thomas has more value then Stecker. A RB in a RBBC on an offense that can put up points would be valuable as a bye-week starter or if someone's team has been hit with a lot of injuries.2) They get points for KR/PR in their league. If Thomas will see even a small increase in touches (maybe 5 carries and 2 receptions/game?) then his value will go up even more - somewhere in the neighborhood of Leon Washington or Jerious Norwood in a league that gives points for return yards.
 
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I've never been clear on the man-love I read for P Thomas. Over the last three games before today Deuce had 39 carries and three catches. Thomas had 4 carries and no catches.Today after Reggie went out in the first half - Deuce ended up with 9 carries for 47 yards and one catch. Thomas had one carry (2 yds) and no catches. I can see Thomas getting some more action with Reggie out, but can someone explain to me why they would choose Thomas over Deuce? Deuce had as many as 20 carries when Reggie was healthy. I think he will get around 20 with Reggie out and Pierre will be a 3rd down type RB.I have not watched much Saints football so maybe I am missing something. But until someone can give me some solid logic on the Pierre choice - Deuce is the man I go after.
I think most of the people who are talking about Thomas are doing so for one of two reasons:1) McAllister is already rostered in their league. If McAllister is not available, and you think he will not be able to carry a full load, then I can certainly see someone thinking Thomas has more value then Stecker. A RB in a RBBC on an offense that can put up points would be valuable as a bye-week starter or if someone's team has been hit with a lot of injuries.2) They get points for KR/PR in their league. If Thomas will see even a small increase in touches (maybe 5 carries and 2 receptions/game?) then his value will go up even more - somewhere in the neighborhood of Leon Washington or Jerious Norwood in a league that gives points for return yards.
Fair enough. Thanks for the response.
 

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