PIT RB Values (1 Viewer)

[el centro]

With Mendenhall quite likely to miss a chunk or much of the season in recovery, do you think the RBs on PIT's roster have much or any value or upside? Jonathan Dwyer was a big-time recruit before the NFL draft a few years ago, listing in the top-3 in many RB rankings pre-draft and then plumetted in the draft.

 

[matttyl]

It was stated recently they will get another RB, likely in the draft. I think they roll with Redman as the "starter", with Dwyer and a few others as the "backups".

 

[Warhogs]

Tough to say at this point. Any RB on their roster has some upside with Mendenahll hurt. Someone could be a big time value play or they might draft/trade for/sign somebody too.

Another cheap investment might be Baron Batch who seemed to be gaining steam before the season last year and then was injured. The biggest issue is you probably need to select one or two of them to hitch your wagon to unless you have huge rosters because I don't know that there is a clear favorite right now.

I would think even a free agent like Ryan Grant could be good in Pittsburgh if they decide to bring someone in.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Redman is the guy to have until after the draft shakes out.

Dwyer/Clay/Batch et. all probably get limited touches, I expect Mewelde Moore to be re-signed on the cheap as the 3rd down guy

 

[loose circuits]

I expect Mewelde Moore to be re-signed on the cheap as the 3rd down guy

I thought that was going to be Batch's job? Seems like they have enough mediocrity on the roster.Dwyer could easily challenge Redman in camp IMO

 

[matttyl]

And didn't they just sign another RB, Chad Spann...like a month ago? Assuming that Mendy is "on the team" (even on PUP), he along with Redman, Dwyer, Clay, Batch and Spann make 6 RBs...and they claim that they will draft another one at some point makes 7. Your guess is as good as mine!

 

[Touchdown There]

The Steelers are going to draft an RB in the 2nd or 3rd round. That RB will immediately move up fantasy draft boards.

 

[matttyl]

I'm not sure they go that early with their other needs (O line and DT) and with the RB depth in this draft. I think 4th round is about where they go with a RB.

 

[Banemorth]

The line is such a mess is any PIT RB worth owning at this point? They all sucked last year.

<--- Bitter Mendy Owner.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Redman looked pretty good when given the chance. I think the oline needs more attention than RB.

 

[bonesman]

And didn't they just sign another RB, Chad Spann...like a month ago? Assuming that Mendy is "on the team" (even on PUP), he along with Redman, Dwyer, Clay, Batch and Spann make 6 RBs...and they claim that they will draft another one at some point makes 7. Your guess is as good as mine!

Superman Spann got added last year before the playoffs... would be nice to see him get a shot.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The line is such a mess is any PIT RB worth owning at this point? They all sucked last year.

<--- Bitter Mendy Owner.

Redman was quite good.Over the past 2 season, including the playoffs, he has 897 yards on a 4.82 average. Incl 4.72 last year.

And he is $$ on the tough yardage situations.

 

[duaneok66]

the situation is highly uncertain for at least for weeks, and still there will a muddled picture until we are deep into the preseason.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I like Dwyer if he's over his conditioning issues and comes into camp in better shape this year. Flashed in a couple games last year and is still just 22. I've been stashing him in dynasty leagues.

 

[Patroclus]

Is there a link saying mendenhall is missing a chunk of the season? It will be 9 mnths post surgery at the start of the season. He would have started PT'ing the knee immediately after surgery. Jogging at like 2 months. Completely unrestricted working out 6 mnths after. The longest recovery time is 12 months for worst case normal people. But these guys are freaks of nature with the best medical resources in the country at their disposal.

 

[bigern1000]

I like Dwyer if he's over his conditioning issues and comes into camp in better shape this year. Flashed in a couple games last year and is still just 22. I've been stashing him in dynasty leagues.

Agreed. In the only league where I own Mendy, I traded for Redman and picked up Dwyer in this offseason to hopefully have the insurance needed. I also agree that I'd love to see Spann get a chance too...

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

I like Dwyer a lot. Even moreso if they don't take a RB in the first couple rounds. (If they do take a back early, he may be lucky to make the roster)

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Is there a link saying mendenhall is missing a chunk of the season? It will be 9 mnths post surgery at the start of the season. He would have started PT'ing the knee immediately after surgery. Jogging at like 2 months. Completely unrestricted working out 6 mnths after. The longest recovery time is 12 months for worst case normal people. But these guys are freaks of nature with the best medical resources in the country at their disposal.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4652/rashard-mendenhallIt seems more likely than not that he'll start the year on the PUP list whoch means he'll miss at least the first six weeks of the season.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Is there a link saying mendenhall is missing a chunk of the season? It will be 9 mnths post surgery at the start of the season. He would have started PT'ing the knee immediately after surgery. Jogging at like 2 months. Completely unrestricted working out 6 mnths after. The longest recovery time is 12 months for worst case normal people. But these guys are freaks of nature with the best medical resources in the country at their disposal.

Just makes so little sense to rush this. Pitt will be fine w/o him. Take his time and have him fresh/as recovered as possible come playoff time. Sure they could ease him back and give him a handful of carries early on, but better to free the roster spot (for another back perhaps for the first 6 weeks) for the early portion of the year. It's a long season. You're going to need more than 3 RB's over the course of the year often times. Cutting someone like Dwyer to rush Mendenhall back (when you can well very argue Dwyer can run the football every bit as well) isn't good roster management for the whole season. Treating Mendy as a in-season acquisition is the way to handle it. The # of RB's that can go healthy start to finish anymore carrying the load is very few.

 

[Geekjock]

Redman's the obvious best shot but I can easily see by midway through the drafting season he'll no longer be a value as people move him up their boards too far while hoping for that "breakout opportunity" season. The temptation to say "I knew he was going to blow up" is almost too much of a golden opportunity for some guys to pass up.

I think somewhere in that backfield, very possibly in the form of a free agent or rookie, there's going to be a lot of value to mine that you likely won't even have to draft. The other side of this and the one aspect that has me the most interested is what happens to the play calling and how much the passing game gets amped up. Roethlisberger's value's higher in my rankings right now than where I'd typically place him.

 

[mcintyre1]

I'm interested to see if anyone has updated opinions on this, post-draft. I'm intrigued by the Rainey addition.

 

[Faust]

Steelers' Dwyer trying to break through

By Mike Wilkening

In the 2010 draft, the Steelers liked Jonathan Dwyer enough to take him seven picks before Antonio Brown.

Brown, a sixth-rounder like Dwyer, has become one of the keys to the Steelers offense, a formidable receiving threat opposite Mike Wallace. Hes also a Pro Bowl kick returner.

Dwyer, a running back from Georgia Tech, has not had that sort of impact, but he is a player to watch entering the 2012 season. With starting RB Rashard Mendenhall coming off an ACL tear suffered on Jan. 1, Dwyer could vie for more playing time.

Playing time has been scarce for Dwyer, who has just 26 regular-season touches on offense for Pittsburgh. He played but one game in 2010, a season that was about just learning about growing up, he said. He was just 21 when he received his first NFL carry, and he does not turn 23 until July. In 2011, Dwyer appeared in seven games, and in his most extended playing time of the season, he rushed for 107 yards on 11 carries in a victory against Tennessee.

Entering his third NFL campaign, you want more, Dwyer said Thursday. You want to be out (there) more and more and be one of the main guys that contributes on this team.

The 5-11, 229-pound Dwyer is coming off an injury of his own, a broken left foot suffered Dec. 4, but hes back running, and hes able to cut, he said Thursday. He expects to take part in the Steelers organized team activities, which begin next week, though his level of participation remains to be seen. He still has some soreness but nothing serious, he said.

After OTAs conclude, Dwyer, whose weight has fluctuated at times in his collegiate and pro careers will train at Bommarito Performance Systems in Florida. Ideally, he said, he would like to play at 225-230 pounds.

If Mendenhall isnt ready to begin the season, Dwyer would vie to be the top backup to Isaac Redman. Dwyer said that the rehabilitating Mendenhall is able to jog. He looked good from what I could see, said Dwyer, who last saw Mendenhall around the team facilities a couple days ago.

Mendenhall has been dependable since entering the starting lineup in 2009, missing but one game in that span the Steelers win vs. Tennessee in October, Dwyers breakout performance, which was highlighted by his 76-yard run down the Steelers sideline.

Hopefully, I want to be known for more than that, Dwyer said of that rush, which is tied for the seventh-longest from scrimmage in club history. Thats what this season is all about.

 

[Sabertooth]

Redman is sitting out there in my dynasty league, I am considering him with a later second round pick. He's got a pretty good chance to seize that role. And if he doesn't, well he's sitting on the bottom of the roster anyway.

 

[loose circuits]

Redman is sitting out there in my dynasty league, I am considering him with a later second round pick. He's got a pretty good chance to seize that role. And if he doesn't, well he's sitting on the bottom of the roster anyway.

Probably be gone by late 2nd

 

[Kenny Powers]

Redman is the guy to have here, and I think will be one of the big values at RB in drafts this year. Upgrades across the OL only make me feel like its even more likely to be the case. Dwyer (and Clay to a lesser degree) and no more valuable than your other average backup RBs

 

[loose circuits]

Batch is the dakhorse, but they loved him last year before he got injured. I have him ahead of clay by a mile

 

[Sabertooth]

Redman is sitting out there in my dynasty league, I am considering him with a later second round pick. He's got a pretty good chance to seize that role. And if he doesn't, well he's sitting on the bottom of the roster anyway.

Probably be gone by late 2nd

Mmm not sure with this draft class. Plus the league starts 2qbs so that drives a few extra guys up the board like Weeden and Russell Wilson

 

[Kenny Powers]

Batch is the dakhorse, but they loved him last year before he got injured. I have him ahead of clay by a mile

3DRB whose touches will (at best) likely be split with Rainey now

 

[Bamac]

FYI, I took him in the late first of my rookie draft (1qb start league). Based on startup ADP, I didn't trust him to slide much further.

Redman is sitting out there in my dynasty league, I am considering him with a later second round pick. He's got a pretty good chance to seize that role. And if he doesn't, well he's sitting on the bottom of the roster anyway.

Probably be gone by late 2nd

Mmm not sure with this draft class. Plus the league starts 2qbs so that drives a few extra guys up the board like Weeden and Russell Wilson

 

[mcintyre1]

FYI, I took him in the late first of my rookie draft (1qb start league). Based on startup ADP, I didn't trust him to slide much further.

Redman is sitting out there in my dynasty league, I am considering him with a later second round pick. He's got a pretty good chance to seize that role. And if he doesn't, well he's sitting on the bottom of the roster anyway.

Probably be gone by late 2nd

Mmm not sure with this draft class. Plus the league starts 2qbs so that drives a few extra guys up the board like Weeden and Russell Wilson

I can confirm that Redman went at 1.11 in my 12 team 1QB PPR league.

 

[mbuehner]

Whaaaaat. Come on.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Yeah there's no shot I'd take Redman in the 1st. Dwyer is the play IMO for the price (and upside).better

Redman is the better all around back, but Dwyer's a superior runner (I actually think he's as good, if not better, than Mendy as well)

 

[Kenny Powers]

Yeah there's no shot I'd take Redman in the 1st. Dwyer is the play IMO for the price (and upside).betterRedman is the better all around back, but Dwyer's a superior runner (I actually think he's as good, if not better, than Mendy as well)

Seriously?! I have seen very few things to tell me Dwyer is a better runner than Redman. The only knock I see on Redman is breaking the long one, but he's also very rarely been in open field. Keep in mind, Redman is the guy many Steeler fans were pushing to take over for Mendy. Dwyer, on the other hand, has been an afterthought (sans his 1 big run). And Im saying all this as a Mendy fan.I was absolutely shocked when I looked up Redman's ADP today. He's firmly in the 8th round and outside of the top 30 RB's. Considering the team/offense (remember Mendenhall was a 1st rounder last year?!) and no one behind him to steal many touches, Im shuked. Barring injury, he will be the Steeler's workhorse and that is an absolute steal. He should be going as a RB20-25 at worst. I think he has value as a 5th-6th round pick, but if his ADP stays like this, he is absolutely the value RB this year.

 

[Dez]

FYI, I took him in the late first of my rookie draft (1qb start league). Based on startup ADP, I didn't trust him to slide much further.

Redman is sitting out there in my dynasty league, I am considering him with a later second round pick. He's got a pretty good chance to seize that role. And if he doesn't, well he's sitting on the bottom of the roster anyway.

Probably be gone by late 2nd

Mmm not sure with this draft class. Plus the league starts 2qbs so that drives a few extra guys up the board like Weeden and Russell Wilson

I can confirm that Redman went at 1.11 in my 12 team 1QB PPR league.

Redman went at 1.8 and 1.9 in the 2 FFPC drafts where he was available.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

I was absolutely shocked when I looked up Redman's ADP today. He's firmly in the 8th round and outside of the top 30 RB's. Considering the team/offense (remember Mendenhall was a 1st rounder last year?!) and no one behind him to steal many touches, Im shuked. Barring injury, he will be the Steeler's workhorse and that is an absolute steal. He should be going as a RB20-25 at worst. I think he has value as a 5th-6th round pick, but if his ADP stays like this, he is absolutely the value RB this year.

The one game they played together with Mendenhall out.Redman: 15-49, 3-12Dwyer: 11-107, 1-6, TDI just don't think it's as cut and dry long term if Mendenhall's out and Dwyer is healthy.It's a situation I wouldn't mind handcuffing (given total cost) should Mendenhall be out for 2012.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I was absolutely shocked when I looked up Redman's ADP today. He's firmly in the 8th round and outside of the top 30 RB's. Considering the team/offense (remember Mendenhall was a 1st rounder last year?!) and no one behind him to steal many touches, Im shuked. Barring injury, he will be the Steeler's workhorse and that is an absolute steal. He should be going as a RB20-25 at worst. I think he has value as a 5th-6th round pick, but if his ADP stays like this, he is absolutely the value RB this year.

The one game they played together with Mendenhall out.Redman: 15-49, 3-12Dwyer: 11-107, 1-6, TDI just don't think it's as cut and dry long term if Mendenhall's out and Dwyer is healthy.It's a situation I wouldn't mind handcuffing (given total cost) should Mendenhall be out for 2012.

I dont like to discredit long runs, but Dwyer's was as bad of a breakdown on D Ive ever seen on his 76 yarder vs TEN. He just took it off tackle and ran up the sideline (and got caught).Dwyer was hurt at the end of the year, but the last 2 games for Redman wereCLE: 19-92, 3-18, TD (Mendy got hurt this game and had 8 carries, Clay 9)@DEN: 17-121, 2-21I think Dwyer will spell Redman, but he's not getting more ~8 carries per game, maybe not even that much because Rainey/Batch should get consistent touches as well in the offense now with Arians gone. As you said, its not a bad idea to handcuff, and Id expect Dwyer to be available in the last round, but he strikes me as a player that will be tough to hold on your roster once the season starts and other guys surprise, even in the deepest leagues.

 

[Sabertooth]

Yeah there's no shot I'd take Redman in the 1st. Dwyer is the play IMO for the price (and upside).betterRedman is the better all around back, but Dwyer's a superior runner (I actually think he's as good, if not better, than Mendy as well)

Seriously?! I have seen very few things to tell me Dwyer is a better runner than Redman. The only knock I see on Redman is breaking the long one, but he's also very rarely been in open field. Keep in mind, Redman is the guy many Steeler fans were pushing to take over for Mendy. Dwyer, on the other hand, has been an afterthought (sans his 1 big run). And Im saying all this as a Mendy fan.I was absolutely shocked when I looked up Redman's ADP today. He's firmly in the 8th round and outside of the top 30 RB's. Considering the team/offense (remember Mendenhall was a 1st rounder last year?!) and no one behind him to steal many touches, Im shuked. Barring injury, he will be the Steeler's workhorse and that is an absolute steal. He should be going as a RB20-25 at worst. I think he has value as a 5th-6th round pick, but if his ADP stays like this, he is absolutely the value RB this year.

what is Mendenhall's realistic prognosis? At least PUP for six week right? Then we are potentially looking at a committee or hot hand situation. So I'm not sure I'm intereted in that type of thing heading into the fantasy playoffs.

 

[Sabertooth]

FYI, I took him in the late first of my rookie draft (1qb start league). Based on startup ADP, I didn't trust him to slide much further.

Redman is sitting out there in my dynasty league, I am considering him with a later second round pick. He's got a pretty good chance to seize that role. And if he doesn't, well he's sitting on the bottom of the roster anyway.

Probably be gone by late 2nd

Mmm not sure with this draft class. Plus the league starts 2qbs so that drives a few extra guys up the board like Weeden and Russell Wilson

I can confirm that Redman went at 1.11 in my 12 team 1QB PPR league.

Redman went at 1.8 and 1.9 in the 2 FFPC drafts where he was available.

Interesting, much higher than I'd thought.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Yeah there's no shot I'd take Redman in the 1st. Dwyer is the play IMO for the price (and upside).betterRedman is the better all around back, but Dwyer's a superior runner (I actually think he's as good, if not better, than Mendy as well)

Seriously?! I have seen very few things to tell me Dwyer is a better runner than Redman. The only knock I see on Redman is breaking the long one, but he's also very rarely been in open field. Keep in mind, Redman is the guy many Steeler fans were pushing to take over for Mendy. Dwyer, on the other hand, has been an afterthought (sans his 1 big run). And Im saying all this as a Mendy fan.I was absolutely shocked when I looked up Redman's ADP today. He's firmly in the 8th round and outside of the top 30 RB's. Considering the team/offense (remember Mendenhall was a 1st rounder last year?!) and no one behind him to steal many touches, Im shuked. Barring injury, he will be the Steeler's workhorse and that is an absolute steal. He should be going as a RB20-25 at worst. I think he has value as a 5th-6th round pick, but if his ADP stays like this, he is absolutely the value RB this year.

what is Mendenhall's realistic prognosis? At least PUP for six week right? Then we are potentially looking at a committee or hot hand situation. So I'm not sure I'm intereted in that type of thing heading into the fantasy playoffs.

There hasnt been any recent news on Mendenhall. PUP is all but a guarantee, and there were rumblings a few months ago that he'd miss the entire season, but those were pretty much speculative. I dont expect Mendenhall to get into the lineup until late in the season, and if Redman is having a strong year, even less of a reason to force carries to Mendy as the season winds down. If Redman has success, I would think he remains the starter with Mendenhall coming off the injury. Mendenhall is also a FA after this season.

 

[Sabertooth]

Redman is 26 already.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Redman is 26 already.

How old was Fred Jackson when he suddenly became meaningful?

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I just don't think it's as cut and dry long term if Mendenhall's out and Dwyer is healthy.

It isn't that cut and dried....because, really, neither guy is that great. When healthy, Mendenhall, foibles and all, is clearly a better player than either. And I'm not really even a Mendenhall fan.Ike Redman has become the "backup QB of running backs" in Pittsburgh in recent years. I'm not here to say the guy totally blows, as he clearly doesn't, but he is what he is: A plodding, strong short yardage guy who is a pretty good blocker. If the team needs a yard, he'll get them three. When the team needs five yards, he will likely also get them three. He's a nice guy to have to spell your #1/be a disaster option if things go south with your #1(as they have for the Steelers).

I do not understand how anyone who has watched Ike play, especially as much as most Steeler homers probably have, thinks that he is a better all around runner than Mendenhall. I'm not saying anyone in this thread is saying that necessarily, but it has been said, including in these parts. Ike is not a dynamic runner and I don't see him becoming one overnight. He has some positives, certainly(he doesn't get stopped for negative yards as often as the other backs on the roster, he does not dance in the backfield), but he also has his share of negatives as well(absolutely no speed, very little wiggle and, worst of all, is prone to putting the ball on the ground). Mendenhall has been a dynamic runner. Can he be again? Remains to be seen, but he has shown the ability prior. Redman hasn't.

I liked Dwyer at Tech, and was cool with the Steelers picking him up, but as with Redman I just don't see a dynamic runner inside that body. Yeah, maybe he flashed a couple times before he got hurt last year, and he's certainly young enough to develop more, but I don't expect Dwyer to ever be the featured back in Pittsburgh either. If we're talking dynasty leagues where I'm putting a chip down on only one of the Steeler runners not named Mendenhall? Then fine, I'm probably putting it down on Dwyer over Redman just because of the reduced cost and the age(but primarily because of the cost).

In the few drafts I've participated in/paid attention to so far, Redman is being drafted as if he is going to be the unquestioned wagon mule for the Pittsburgh offense.....which I think is a pretty big mistake. He certainly will be used, and could even be the primary option all year, but people need to look at Haley's last couple of teams and see how he handled the RB situation. He is going to use some form of a committee with a "grinder" and a "receiving/big play guy" for as long as they don't have a bona fide #1. Does that all go out the window when/if Mendenhall returns(a guy who Tomlin has, on more than one occasion, championed as a bona fide #1)? Remains to be seen. Seems like a gigantic mess, as far as fantasy goes, to me.

Redman will have value this year, the Steelers moving Colon to G and drafting DeCastro alone should improve their run game, but anyone expecting anything more than low end RB2/high end RB3 #s out of him is probably going to be pretty disappointed(I don't see anyway he can approach better than that unless he get an inordinately high number of TDs). Given his track record, I think Haley is more likely to use the entire mish-mash of runners that they currently have on roster(including Batch, Rainey and Clay) for a lot longer than most hope in an order to "see what we have going on here" while they wait for the Mendenhall situation to play out.

 

[Sabertooth]

Redman is 26 already.

How old was Fred Jackson when he suddenly became meaningful?

Not judging, just stating that his dynasty window is a lot shorter than a rook.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

When the team needs five yards, he will likely also get them three.

That's funny to say, when with that crap o-line he averages 4.82 over (on 176 carries) the past two seasons.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Redman is 26 already.

How old was Fred Jackson when he suddenly became meaningful?

Not judging, just stating that his dynasty window is a lot shorter than a rook.

I am just hoping for one productive year from him. I don't think he is the guy for 3-5 years.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

FYI, I took him in the late first of my rookie draft (1qb start league). Based on startup ADP, I didn't trust him to slide much further.

Redman is sitting out there in my dynasty league, I am considering him with a later second round pick. He's got a pretty good chance to seize that role. And if he doesn't, well he's sitting on the bottom of the roster anyway.

Probably be gone by late 2nd

Mmm not sure with this draft class. Plus the league starts 2qbs so that drives a few extra guys up the board like Weeden and Russell Wilson

I can confirm that Redman went at 1.11 in my 12 team 1QB PPR league.

Redman went at 1.8 and 1.9 in the 2 FFPC drafts where he was available.

Interesting, much higher than I'd thought.

the guy is at most a 1 year player....i don't even think he goes the year on top of one of mendenhall/dwyer.you can get a much longer term player than that in the 1st imo.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I like Dwyer as a backup/3rd string guy, but Im surprised how high people are on him in here, and I dont think Redman is anything special either.

In dynasty, Redman is definitely a stopgap sort of player, but if RB is a need and you have a team that can win this year, I dont think its a bad pick early at all

 

[Sabertooth]

He could turn into something, but I'd rather take a shot at a guy like Stephen Hill or Turbin.

 

[pghrob]

With Redman's groin problem, looking like it's gonna be Dwyer Batch, and Rainey to start the season. All of a sudden, they are looking thin.

Think they will make a move to bring any others aboard?

 

[Rick James]

I went go GT, so I'm obviously a huge Dwyer fan...

I just don't see him producing in the NFL. He doesn't have the body for it. At Tech, he had legit 4.35-ish speed. So he had success against college competition, just out-running everybody. And honestly, he was pretty awesome.

But he had weight issues, and he showed up at the NFL Combine ridiculously overweight and ran an awful 40. I don't see him being anything special in the NFL. I'd like to, but I don't.