Player Spotlight: Aaron Brooks (1 Viewer)

[harrycarey]

ronald curry being back will help also

 

[Tau837]

Arguing which is better, Brooks or Collins, is like arguing who's dog has less smelly crap.

I don't like either QB.

My argument is that Aaron Brooks doesn't win enough games. He's a lousy NFL quarterback. He's on a short leash in Oakland and I simply do not believe that he will be a 16 game starter for the Raiders.

No problem. Your earlier argument was soundly defeated. You are now allowed to switch to a new one.

 

[Doug B]

Being a Saints fan ... it would freak me out of my skin to see Brooks succeed wildly elsewhere. No way could I, personally, draft him as a #1 fantasy QB ... and I do realize that's homerism talking.

The weapons around him give him a chance at more or less similar numbers to his 2002-2004 campaigns:

3,650 yds

23 TDs

16 INTs

6 fumbles lost (if they count in your league)

Brooks doesn't run like he used to ... if Shell likes to sneak, he may get 3 or so TDs. If not ... he's not going to add much value scrambling around. Let's call his rushing numbers for the year:

225 yds

2 TDs

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Raiders 2006 Schedule

Date Opponent Time/Result

Sep 11 San Diego 10:15pm

Sep 17 @Baltimore 1:00pm

Week 3 BYE

Oct 1 Cleveland 4:15pm

Oct 8 @San Francisco 4:05pm

Oct 15 @Denver 8:15pm

Oct 22 Arizona 4:15pm

Oct 29 Pittsburgh 4:15pm

Nov 6 @Seattle 8:30pm

Nov 12 Denver 4:05pm

Nov 19 @Kansas City 1:00pm

Nov 26 @San Diego 4:05pm

Dec 3 Houston 4:05pm

Dec 10 @Cincinnati 1:00pm

Dec 17 St. Louis 4:15pm

Dec 23 Kansas City 8:00pm

Dec 31 @N.Y. Jets 1:00pm

They could easily go 3-8 and Brooks could be on the bench.

I wont debate that their schedule gets exponentially harder as weeks progress but taking a look at the first four weeks- theres a serious chance for great numbers here and at this point early in the season, he probably wont be fearing losing his job. In my opinion, he could easily be a top-5-10 fantasy qb comming out of week 5- and the possibility that they are .500 is significant. Personally I think he will lose his job somewhere down the line but if youre looking to get value out of a late round pick, Aaron Brooks might be a great spot start any of the first 5 weeks (4 games)I still wont put 3600 out of the question with a 5:3 TD/INT Ratio (most probably low 20's in TD's and 12-14 ints. I would expect 14 games. Better Completion % and slightly lower atts. than collins. 300+ completions.

 

[menobrown]

Raiders 2006 Schedule

Date Opponent Time/Result

Sep 11 San Diego 10:15pm

Sep 17 @Baltimore 1:00pm

Week 3 BYE

Oct 1 Cleveland 4:15pm

Oct 8 @San Francisco 4:05pm

Oct 15 @Denver 8:15pm

Oct 22 Arizona 4:15pm

Oct 29 Pittsburgh 4:15pm

Nov 6 @Seattle 8:30pm

Nov 12 Denver 4:05pm

Nov 19 @Kansas City 1:00pm

Nov 26 @San Diego 4:05pm

Dec 3 Houston 4:05pm

Dec 10 @Cincinnati 1:00pm

Dec 17 St. Louis 4:15pm

Dec 23 Kansas City 8:00pm

Dec 31 @N.Y. Jets 1:00pm

They could easily go 3-8 and Brooks could be on the bench.

I wont debate that their schedule gets exponentially harder as weeks progress but taking a look at the first four weeks- theres a serious chance for great numbers here and at this point early in the season,

I don't see how his schedule gets exponentially harder as the season goes on. Every defense he will face over the last 8 weeks of the season was in the bottom 10 in pass defense last year and 4 of his final 8 games will be against teams who were in the bottom 5.

 

[ShotGunStyle]

Wow, I didn't even realize how easy his shedule was on passing defense.

Hmm, maybe 4100 and 32 TDs weren't enough...

Nah

 

[Doug B]

Hmm, maybe 4100 and 32 TDs weren't enough...

Nah

"Nah" is right -- those numbers don't happen often at all for anyone. No way does Brooks have an all-time-NFL-level season in 2006.

 

[Doug B]

Every defense he will face over the last 8 weeks of the season was in the bottom 10 in pass defense last year and 4 of his final 8 games will be against teams who were in the bottom 5.

Yes ... but where will those defenses rank in '06?

 

[Tau837]

Being a Saints fan ... it would freak me out of my skin to see Brooks succeed wildly elsewhere. No way could I, personally, draft him as a #1 fantasy QB ... and I do realize that's homerism talking.

The weapons around him give him a chance at more or less similar numbers to his 2002-2004 campaigns:

3,650 yds

23 TDs

16 INTs

6 fumbles lost (if they count in your league)

Brooks doesn't run like he used to ... if Shell likes to sneak, he may get 3 or so TDs. If not ... he's not going to add much value scrambling around. Let's call his rushing numbers for the year:

225 yds

2 TDs

I think your numbers look fine, but I disagree with the bolded statement. Last few years:2002 - 61/256/2 in 16 games

2003 - 54/175/2 in 16 games

2004 - 58/173/4 in 16 games

2005 - 45/281/2 in 13 games

In 2005 Brooks had the best ypc of his career, and only once has he had more TDs on the ground. If you scale his carries to 16 games, you get 55... right in line with the three years prior.

Anyway, it's just semantics. I think your projection of 225/2 is fine, and those 2 fppg are one reason why Brooks gets a slight edge over some of the QBs that rank around him.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Wow, I didn't even realize how easy his shedule was on passing defense.

Hmm, maybe 4100 and 32 TDs weren't enough...

Nah

You got me.

 

[menobrown]

Every defense he will face over the last 8 weeks of the season was in the bottom 10 in pass defense last year and 4 of his final 8 games will be against teams who were in the bottom 5.

Yes ... but where will those defenses rank in '06?

What reason would you give that they would all improve exponentially?

 

[Buckna]

Raiders 2006 Schedule

Date Opponent Time/Result - Passing Def Rank

Sep 11 San Diego 10:15pm - 28

Sep 17 @Baltimore 1:00pm - 8

Week 3 BYE 

Oct 1 Cleveland 4:15pm - 4

Oct 8 @San Francisco 4:05pm - 32

Oct 15 @Denver 8:15pm - 29

Oct 22 Arizona 4:15pm - 12

Oct 29 Pittsburgh 4:15pm - 16

Nov 6 @Seattle 8:30pm - 25

Nov 12 Denver 4:05pm - 29

Nov 19 @Kansas City 1:00pm - 30

Nov 26 @San Diego 4:05pm - 28

Dec 3 Houston 4:05pm - 24

Dec 10 @Cincinnati 1:00pm - 26

Dec 17 St. Louis 4:15pm - 23

Dec 23 Kansas City 8:00pm - 30

Dec 31 @N.Y. Jets 1:00pm - 2

They could easily go 3-8 and Brooks could be on the bench.

I wont debate that their schedule gets exponentially harder as weeks progress but taking a look at the first four weeks- theres a serious chance for great numbers here and at this point early in the season,

I don't see how his schedule gets exponentially harder as the season goes on. Every defense he will face over the last 8 weeks of the season was in the bottom 10 in pass defense last year and 4 of his final 8 games will be against teams who were in the bottom 5.

I added passing defense ranked by yards per game. Now this is a pretty imperfect tool as good teams get up on other teams early and therefore face more pass attempts, so take these rankings with a grain of salt.If the Raiders can keep from imploding they could have a very good year with such an easy (at least it seems that way right now) schedule. I think they can easily be 5-1 or 4-2 going into Pittsburgh in week 8. The next stretch of games gets much tougher, but things lighten up considerably in week 13 vs Houston and on.

The key is IF Brooks can keep his job the whole year he should put up some career numbers.

 

[menobrown]

Raiders 2006 Schedule

Date Opponent Time/Result - Passing Def Rank

Sep 11 San Diego 10:15pm - 28

Sep 17 @Baltimore 1:00pm - 8

Week 3 BYE

Oct 1 Cleveland 4:15pm - 4

Oct 8 @San Francisco 4:05pm - 32

Oct 15 @Denver 8:15pm - 29

Oct 22 Arizona 4:15pm - 12

Oct 29 Pittsburgh 4:15pm - 16

Nov 6 @Seattle 8:30pm - 25

Nov 12 Denver 4:05pm - 29

Nov 19 @Kansas City 1:00pm - 30

Nov 26 @San Diego 4:05pm - 28

Dec 3 Houston 4:05pm - 24

Dec 10 @Cincinnati 1:00pm - 26

Dec 17 St. Louis 4:15pm - 23

Dec 23 Kansas City 8:00pm - 30

Dec 31 @N.Y. Jets 1:00pm - 2

They could easily go 3-8 and Brooks could be on the bench.

I wont debate that their schedule gets exponentially harder as weeks progress but taking a look at the first four weeks- theres a serious chance for great numbers here and at this point early in the season,

I don't see how his schedule gets exponentially harder as the season goes on. Every defense he will face over the last 8 weeks of the season was in the bottom 10 in pass defense last year and 4 of his final 8 games will be against teams who were in the bottom 5.

I added passing defense ranked by yards per game. Now this is a pretty imperfect tool as good teams get up on other teams early and therefore face more pass attempts, so take these rankings with a grain of salt.If the Raiders can keep from imploding they could have a very good year with such an easy (at least it seems that way right now) schedule. I think they can easily be 5-1 or 4-2 going into Pittsburgh in week 8. The next stretch of games gets much tougher, but things lighten up considerably in week 13 vs Houston and on.

The key is IF Brooks can keep his job the whole year he should put up some career numbers.

I was also basing my rankings on passing yards allowed per game. Not sure I've ever seen a QB with such an easy schedule.Only 4 teams he will face all year are NOT in the bottom 10 in passing yards allowed and almost half of his games (7) will be against teams in bottom 5.

To me, losing his job is the only thing that is going to keep him from posting monster numbers. I'd also like to add he can put up huge stats and still lose his job. Big difference between a good fantasy QB and a good QB and I suspect Brooks is more the former.

 

[ShotGunStyle]

Jets and Browns ranked 4 and 2 while the Broncos were 29th? Yards are pretty misleading. How about points allowed?

 

[Buckna]

Raiders 2006 Schedule

Date Opponent Time/Result - Passing TD's

Sep 11 San Diego 10:15pm - 28

Sep 17 @Baltimore 1:00pm - 8

Week 3 BYE 

Oct 1 Cleveland 4:15pm - 4

Oct 8 @San Francisco 4:05pm - 32

Oct 15 @Denver 8:15pm - 29

Oct 22 Arizona 4:15pm - 12

Oct 29 Pittsburgh 4:15pm - 16

Nov 6 @Seattle 8:30pm - 25

Nov 12 Denver 4:05pm - 29

Nov 19 @Kansas City 1:00pm - 30

Nov 26 @San Diego 4:05pm - 28

Dec 3 Houston 4:05pm - 24

Dec 10 @Cincinnati 1:00pm - 26

Dec 17 St. Louis 4:15pm - 23

Dec 23 Kansas City 8:00pm - 30

Dec 31 @N.Y. Jets 1:00pm - 2

They could easily go 3-8 and Brooks could be on the bench.

Revised using Passing TD's. Once again, I think this is a misleading stat. Looking at that schedule, as menobrown said, Brooks could possibly put up some monster numbers and STILL get benched due to Oakland losing games.

 

[newlycreated]

That's good to know. And seeing how Brooks made 82 straight starts I guess you can just say he wins enough.

If he's such a winner, then why isn't he still with New Orleans?

Maybe New Orleans is just a bad team and doesn't realize where their problems are. Always blaming the quarterback doesn't seem to ever solve much for any losing team. Aaron Brooks just got the butt end of a bad front office decision

 

[BassNBrew]

That's good to know. And seeing how Brooks made 82 straight starts I guess you can just say he wins enough.

If he's such a winner, then why isn't he still with New Orleans?

Why did Brees, Favre, Warner, and C-Pep all recently switch teams?

 

[toxicbees]

Aaron Brooks put up great stats for the Saints but was killing them at the same time. If the Raiders lose a bunch of games early under Brooks, you can bet they'll make the change to Walter around their bye week. Oakland only won 4 games last season, and if they start heading in the same direction this year they'll give up on Brooks and try to rebuild with Walter. My prediction for Brooks this year:

Passing: 2250 yards 9 TDs 12 INTs Rushing: 80 yards 1 TD

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Why did Brees, Favre, Warner, and C-Pep all recently switch teams?

Wait a minute......

 

[SSOG]

All this talk about whether Aaron Brooks is better than Kerry Collins is pointless. The only thing that matters is whether Aaron Brooks is better than his backups. I don't think it's too much of a stretch, at this point in time, to say that yes, I think he is.

Also, while Brooks has been one of the most inconsistant QBs in the NFL, he's also been one of the most consistant QBs in the FFL. I don't see any reason why that will change. I have no problem taking his career per-game averages (225/1.4/1 passing, 16.6/.15 rushing), projecting them out to a 16 game season (3600/22.4/16 passing, 266/2 rushing), and then shading the passing numbers up a little bit for the "Moss Effect".

3800 yards, 26 TDs, 14 INTs passing

266 yards, 2 TDs rushing

 

[Charley]

All this talk about whether Aaron Brooks is better than Kerry Collins is pointless. The only thing that matters is whether Aaron Brooks is better than his backups. I don't think it's too much of a stretch, at this point in time, to say that yes, I think he is.

Also, while Brooks has been one of the most inconsistant QBs in the NFL, he's also been one of the most consistant QBs in the FFL. I don't see any reason why that will change. I have no problem taking his career per-game averages (225/1.4/1 passing, 16.6/.15 rushing), projecting them out to a 16 game season (3600/22.4/16 passing, 266/2 rushing), and then shading the passing numbers up a little bit for the "Moss Effect".

3800 yards, 26 TDs, 14 INTs passing

266 yards, 2 TDs rushing

From the above, I calculate 318.6 fantasy pts which would make Brooks the #1 QB according to DD's projections. I'm not saying that Brooks won't produce those numbers -- he's had slightly above 3800 twice in his career and he's had 26 and 27 passing TDs, plus over 300 rushing yds and 4 rushing TDs as career highs.I like Brooks this year. The Raiders may be a very good fit for him, and he certainly has good offensive players with RB LJordan and a strong set of WRs (RMoss, Porter, Gabriel, and Curry).

Strong points - He throws a very good long pass and I think there's a decent chance he'll connect well with Moss. He's a good athlete with high durability. Good FF producer.

Weak points - Bad NFL performer to date. Pretty inconsistent with high and low weeks. Perceived as flaky (may not be a problem in OAK).

I consider him to be a high risk/high reward player this year. If you can get him in the 9th round (current ADP), I say great value for a backup QB with tremendous upside. That said, there is a chance that he might flop big-time. But I think I'll take that bet.

3650 yards, 25 TDs, 15 INTs

250 yards, 2 TDs

 

[ChampBailey24]

Why did Brees, Favre, Warner, and C-Pep all recently switch teams?

Wait a minute......

Yes, Favre. He wasn't drafted by the Packers.

 

[Tau837]

Why did Brees, Favre, Warner, and C-Pep all recently switch teams?

Wait a minute......

Yes, Favre. He wasn't drafted by the Packers.

Note the use of the term "recently".

 

[SSOG]

Weak points - Bad NFL performer to date. Pretty inconsistent with high and low weeks. Perceived as flaky (may not be a problem in OAK).

Aaron Brooks, like his cousin Michael Vick, is a case of perception differing from reality. I actually looked at the numbers and found that he was, in reality, one of the most consistant fantasy producers in the entire NFL.I posted this in the Michael Vick spotlight thread, but I'll copy/paste it over here. This is the game-by-game scoring breakdown from last season of Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Trent Green, Michael Vick, Aaron Brooks, and Eli Manning. Try and figure out which one was Brooks.

QB1

8.0 points or less- 1

8.1 to 10.0 points- 1

10.1 to 12.0 points- 1

12.1 to 15.0 points- 2

15.1 to 18.0 points- 3

18.1 to 20.0 points- 0

20.1 to 22.0 points- 3

22.1 points or more- 2

QB2

8.0 points or less- 1

8.1 to 10.0 points- 3

10.1 to 12.0 points- 3

12.1 to 15.0 points- 1

15.1 to 18.0 points- 4

18.1 to 20.0 points- 0

20.1 to 22.0 points- 0

22.1 points or more- 4

QB3

8.0 points or less- 1

8.1 to 10.0 points- 0

10.1 to 12.0 points- 2

12.1 to 15.0 points- 4

15.1 to 18.0 points- 4

18.1 to 20.0 points- 0

20.1 to 22.0 points- 0

22.1 points or more- 5

QB4

8.0 points or less- 2

8.1 to 10.0 points- 1

10.1 to 12.0 points- 0

12.1 to 15.0 points- 3

15.1 to 18.0 points- 1

18.1 to 20.0 points- 2

20.1 to 22.0 points- 2

22.1 points or more- 4

QB5

8.0 points or less- 3

8.1 to 10.0 points- 0

10.1 to 12.0 points- 1

12.1 to 15.0 points- 1

15.1 to 18.0 points- 0

18.1 to 20.0 points- 3

20.1 to 22.0 points- 3

22.1 points or more- 5

QB6

8.0 points or less- 0

8.1 to 10.0 points- 3

10.1 to 12.0 points- 1

12.1 to 15.0 points- 1

15.1 to 18.0 points- 4

18.1 to 20.0 points- 3

20.1 to 22.0 points- 2

22.1 points or more- 2

 

[Marvelous]

Shell will be conservative. Brooks will have an ok, but unspectacular year.

3300 yards, 20/15, 330/2. Good enough for a QB1, but no stud.

As far as losing his job? TO WHOM!!?? The Raiders have nobody else close to him in talent or in potential.

I fully agree with this. No one else on the Raiders roster beside Brooks even resembles a starting NFL qb. Unless Brooks gets injured, he will be starting the full year.Also, Shell rates to be more conservative to make Brooks a better qb.

 

[ShotGunStyle]

Weak points - Bad NFL performer to date. Pretty inconsistent with high and low weeks. Perceived as flaky (may not be a problem in OAK).

Aaron Brooks, like his cousin Michael Vick, is a case of perception differing from reality. I actually looked at the numbers and found that he was, in reality, one of the most consistant fantasy producers in the entire NFL.I posted this in the Michael Vick spotlight thread, but I'll copy/paste it over here. This is the game-by-game scoring breakdown from last season of Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Trent Green, Michael Vick, Aaron Brooks, and Eli Manning. Try and figure out which one was Brooks.

QB1

8.0 points or less- 1

8.1 to 10.0 points- 1

10.1 to 12.0 points- 1

12.1 to 15.0 points- 2

15.1 to 18.0 points- 3

18.1 to 20.0 points- 0

20.1 to 22.0 points- 3

22.1 points or more- 2

QB2

8.0 points or less- 1

8.1 to 10.0 points- 3

10.1 to 12.0 points- 3

12.1 to 15.0 points- 1

15.1 to 18.0 points- 4

18.1 to 20.0 points- 0

20.1 to 22.0 points- 0

22.1 points or more- 4

QB3

8.0 points or less- 1

8.1 to 10.0 points- 0

10.1 to 12.0 points- 2

12.1 to 15.0 points- 4

15.1 to 18.0 points- 4

18.1 to 20.0 points- 0

20.1 to 22.0 points- 0

22.1 points or more- 5

QB4

8.0 points or less- 2

8.1 to 10.0 points- 1

10.1 to 12.0 points- 0

12.1 to 15.0 points- 3

15.1 to 18.0 points- 1

18.1 to 20.0 points- 2

20.1 to 22.0 points- 2

22.1 points or more- 4

QB5

8.0 points or less- 3

8.1 to 10.0 points- 0

10.1 to 12.0 points- 1

12.1 to 15.0 points- 1

15.1 to 18.0 points- 0

18.1 to 20.0 points- 3

20.1 to 22.0 points- 3

22.1 points or more- 5

QB6

8.0 points or less- 0

8.1 to 10.0 points- 3

10.1 to 12.0 points- 1

12.1 to 15.0 points- 1

15.1 to 18.0 points- 4

18.1 to 20.0 points- 3

20.1 to 22.0 points- 2

22.1 points or more- 2

I'm going to guess number 1 because of the 13 games started. You can't ignore the rushing numbers from Brooks because three points extra a week looks huge at season's end. 280 yards and 2 TDs in 13 games isn't bad on the ground for a QB.

 

[SSOG]

I'm going to guess number 1 because of the 13 games started. You can't ignore the rushing numbers from Brooks because three points extra a week looks huge at season's end. 280 yards and 2 TDs in 13 games isn't bad on the ground for a QB.

Counting games is cheating. I was tempted to put %ages instead of number of games just to deter cheaters like you ( ), but decided it wasn't worth the effort.

 

[ShotGunStyle]

Percentages would be too easy. You only posted it by games to tempt me to cheat, so it doesn't even count.

 

[diesel7982]

Being a Saints fan ... it would freak me out of my skin to see Brooks succeed wildly elsewhere. No way could I, personally, draft him as a #1 fantasy QB ... and I do realize that's homerism talking.

The weapons around him give him a chance at more or less similar numbers to his 2002-2004 campaigns:

3,650 yds

23 TDs

16 INTs

6 fumbles lost (if they count in your league)

Brooks doesn't run like he used to ... if Shell likes to sneak, he may get 3 or so TDs. If not ... he's not going to add much value scrambling around. Let's call his rushing numbers for the year:

225 yds

2 TDs

Those are pretty darn good numbers for a #1 QB. If you convert his rushing numbers to passing, hes putting up 4100/26. Thats going to make him easily top 10.

 

[Usual Suspect]

Just a FYI but the Mag was pretty adament about Brooks keeping his job and that he should finish in the top 10 for QB. It was a pretty strong statement.

Tui is a lifetime backup and Walters isn't ready. Barring injury Brooks should be starting all season. If Tui gets the starting job...I'll be one upset Raider fan. Either stick with Brooks or go with the youngster, Tui is not a regular NFL starter.

Proj...

3625/22/15

305/3