Player Spotlight: DeAngelo Williams (1 Viewer)

[duaneok66]

If anyone has it on tape or tivo, go watch the Panthers vs Eagles game last year, when Foster was out. I think that game alone is why a lot of us D-Willy fans have high hopes for this year.

After that stellar performance, Williams proceeded to have weeks with 2 rushes for 2 yards and 2 carries for 1 yard.

isn't that when Foster got his starting job back?? Something else Williams fans continue to ignore . . .

 

[ImTheScientist]

If anyone has it on tape or tivo, go watch the Panthers vs Eagles game last year, when Foster was out. I think that game alone is why a lot of us D-Willy fans have high hopes for this year.

After that stellar performance, Williams proceeded to have weeks with 2 rushes for 2 yards and 2 carries for 1 yard.

isn't that when Foster got his starting job back?? Something else Williams fans continue to ignore . . .

Whats your point?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If anyone has it on tape or tivo, go watch the Panthers vs Eagles game last year, when Foster was out. I think that game alone is why a lot of us D-Willy fans have high hopes for this year.

After that stellar performance, Williams proceeded to have weeks with 2 rushes for 2 yards and 2 carries for 1 yard.

isn't that when Foster got his starting job back?? Something else Williams fans continue to ignore . . .

Oh yeah. I forgot. Those were the weeks that Foster lit it up to the tune of 8/23 and 7/42. He sure made hat when given the opportunity.

 

[duaneok66]

If anyone has it on tape or tivo, go watch the Panthers vs Eagles game last year, when Foster was out. I think that game alone is why a lot of us D-Willy fans have high hopes for this year.

After that stellar performance, Williams proceeded to have weeks with 2 rushes for 2 yards and 2 carries for 1 yard.

isn't that when Foster got his starting job back?? Something else Williams fans continue to ignore . . .

Oh yeah. I forgot. Those were the weeks that Foster lit it up to the tune of 8/23 and 7/42. He sure made hat when given the opportunity.

I brought that up to show you that Williams "stellar performance" didnt earn him the starting job . . . why do you expect anything different this year??

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If anyone has it on tape or tivo, go watch the Panthers vs Eagles game last year, when Foster was out. I think that game alone is why a lot of us D-Willy fans have high hopes for this year.

After that stellar performance, Williams proceeded to have weeks with 2 rushes for 2 yards and 2 carries for 1 yard.

isn't that when Foster got his starting job back?? Something else Williams fans continue to ignore . . .

Oh yeah. I forgot. Those were the weeks that Foster lit it up to the tune of 8/23 and 7/42. He sure made hat when given the opportunity.

I brought that up to show you that Williams "stellar performance" didnt earn him the starting job . . . why do you expect anything different this year??

Fair enough. My expectations come from the fact that Williams was at least as good as Foster last year and now that he's not a rookie, he'll have an even better year this year. Foster has shown us what he can do - be average.Pasquarelli has an interesting article talking about players improving from year one to year two. Interestingly, the article doesn't really support the title and he says Foster is still entrenched as the #1 back in Carolina so, take it for what it's worth.

The thing that catches my eye is where Williams talks about how the new scheme is more like the one he ran at Memphis, so he's more comfortable this year than last.

 

[ImTheScientist]

If anyone has it on tape or tivo, go watch the Panthers vs Eagles game last year, when Foster was out. I think that game alone is why a lot of us D-Willy fans have high hopes for this year.

After that stellar performance, Williams proceeded to have weeks with 2 rushes for 2 yards and 2 carries for 1 yard.

isn't that when Foster got his starting job back?? Something else Williams fans continue to ignore . . .

Oh yeah. I forgot. Those were the weeks that Foster lit it up to the tune of 8/23 and 7/42. He sure made hat when given the opportunity.

I brought that up to show you that Williams "stellar performance" didnt earn him the starting job . . . why do you expect anything different this year??

So what you see as a rookie is what you get...no improvement. The biggest problem for a Rookie RB is pass protection. Now that Williams has been around for a year he will be much improved in that area and ready to take on the role as starting RB (he is much more tallented than Foster). Foster did not get the starting job because of his performance.The staff seems to agree with me

OutlookDeAngelo is now the focal point of the Panthers new offense. Is he up to the task? Panther fans sure hope so. New OC Jeff Davidson promises a run first philosophy and Williams feels like he is ready to rock. This season is going to be a big test for Williams in the NFL. He was a great and productive back in college, but will it ever translate to the pros? He has the ability to be a top 15 back, and should not be overlooked in fantasy drafts.

 

[duaneok66]

If anyone has it on tape or tivo, go watch the Panthers vs Eagles game last year, when Foster was out. I think that game alone is why a lot of us D-Willy fans have high hopes for this year.

After that stellar performance, Williams proceeded to have weeks with 2 rushes for 2 yards and 2 carries for 1 yard.

isn't that when Foster got his starting job back?? Something else Williams fans continue to ignore . . .

Oh yeah. I forgot. Those were the weeks that Foster lit it up to the tune of 8/23 and 7/42. He sure made hat when given the opportunity.

I brought that up to show you that Williams "stellar performance" didnt earn him the starting job . . . why do you expect anything different this year??

So what you see as a rookie is what you get...no improvement. The biggest problem for a Rookie RB is pass protection. Now that Williams has been around for a year he will be much improved in that area and ready to take on the role as starting RB (he is much more tallented than Foster). Foster did not get the starting job because of his performance.The staff seems to agree with me

Outlook

DeAngelo is now the focal point of the Panthers new offense. Is he up to the task? Panther fans sure hope so. New OC Jeff Davidson promises a run first philosophy and Williams feels like he is ready to rock. This season is going to be a big test for Williams in the NFL. He was a great and productive back in college, but will it ever translate to the pros? He has the ability to be a top 15 back, and should not be overlooked in fantasy drafts.

Is this based on anything subtantive?? Or is it just speculation and wishful thinking??

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Is this based on anything subtantive?? Or is it just speculation and wishful thinking??

I'm guessing it's hyperbole as the focal point of the Panthers offense remains Steve Smith.

 

[sholditch]

Is this based on anything subtantive?? Or is it just speculation and wishful thinking??

I'm guessing it's hyperbole as the focal point of the Panthers offense remains Steve Smith.

I was listening to an interview with someone on the panthers during minicamp and he repeated those exact same sentiments. Let's just try and keep this down though so I can still get him in the fourth.oh, projs:290 for 1250 and 845 for 450 and 3pretty good 4th round value

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Is this based on anything subtantive?? Or is it just speculation and wishful thinking??

I'm guessing it's hyperbole as the focal point of the Panthers offense remains Steve Smith.

I was listening to an interview with someone on the panthers during minicamp and he repeated those exact same sentiments. Let's just try and keep this down though so I can still get him in the fourth.

Which sentiments? That it was Williams or Smith that's the focal point?

oh, projs:

290 for 1250 and 8

45 for 450 and 3

pretty good 4th round value

I think this is the heart of the debate here. Let me be clear in saying that while I expect that by the end of the season DWill will have top 10 RB numbers, I will not be drafting him in the 1st or 2nd rounds of a redraft. The risk that he WON'T produce those numbers is too high. But depending on what spot I'm drafting at, the potential is worth the risk in rounds 3 or higher.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Is this based on anything subtantive?? Or is it just speculation and wishful thinking??

I'm guessing it's hyperbole as the focal point of the Panthers offense remains Steve Smith.

I was listening to an interview with someone on the panthers during minicamp and he repeated those exact same sentiments. Let's just try and keep this down though so I can still get him in the fourth.

Which sentiments? That it was Williams or Smith that's the focal point?

oh, projs:

290 for 1250 and 8

45 for 450 and 3

pretty good 4th round value

I think this is the heart of the debate here. Let me be clear in saying that while I expect that by the end of the season DWill will have top 10 RB numbers, I will not be drafting him in the 1st or 2nd rounds of a redraft. The risk that he WON'T produce those numbers is too high. But depending on what spot I'm drafting at, the potential is worth the risk in rounds 3 or higher.

 

[David Yudkin]

Let me add some clarity to the situation, at least from what I've seen, and seeing how I look at various player reports from multiple sources several times a day I can at the very least attest to actually looking for more information.

Several months ago, IIRC the beat reporter from the Charlotte Observer listed a new Panthers depth chart that somehow got construed as being official. There was no explanation as to where it came, how it was compiled, or what it meant. All that mattered was that Williams was listed as RB1 and Foster as RB2. The rest of the media and fantasy outlets caught wind of this and ran with it, annointing Williams as "the man" in Carolina this year.

When I finally got absorbed in this a week or two ago, I contacting the beat writer from the newspaper and indicated that I have checked multiple sources and had not seen anywhere that the team had said that Williams was the #1 back. Similarly, I inquired how the depth chart was compiled and where it had come from.

He explained to me that this was his own version of the depth chart as he saw it evolving at some point during the season. The team in fact HAD NOT tabbed Williams as the starter, and that at this point it looked like Foster was the one that had a leg up on Williams heading into training camp. He went on to explain that it was purely speculative on his part that AT SOME POINT during the year he would not be surprised if Williams took on a much larger role and began to have more carries than Foster did . . . again based on speculation that he felt that Williams might produce better numbers than Foster during the regular season.

Obviously no one knows for sure what might happen at this point. But that's what sparked a lot of the Williams is the guy this year talk.

Based on that, I do not read this as a slam dunk for Williams, no matter how you slice it. Yes, Williams could win the job, get 350 carries, and be the second coming of Marshall Faulk this year. I, however, do not see that happening. I am pretty confident that Williams is a better option than Foster and probably SHOULD be the #1 option. However, I see Foster gone in 08 and Williams getting a full time workload heading forward starting next year.

I've already seen Williams going late 3rd, early 4th this year with other starting RBs left on the draft board that WON'T be in a true RBBC. I have a hard time endorsing someone that att his point is on the smaller side of a RBBC and on a team that as I outlined earlier has not recently been a force in terms of RB production. Yes, all that could change this year, but there are so many things that have to change that I fo one would let someone else make the investment and I'll shop elsewhere.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Let me add some clarity to the situation, at least from what I've seen, and seeing how I look at various player reports from multiple sources several times a day I can at the very least attest to actually looking for more information.Several months ago, IIRC the beat reporter from the Charlotte Observer listed a new Panthers depth chart that somehow got construed as being official. There was no explanation as to where it came, how it was compiled, or what it meant. All that mattered was that Williams was listed as RB1 and Foster as RB2. The rest of the media and fantasy outlets caught wind of this and ran with it, annointing Williams as "the man" in Carolina this year.When I finally got absorbed in this a week or two ago, I contacting the beat writer from the newspaper and indicated that I have checked multiple sources and had not seen anywhere that the team had said that Williams was the #1 back. Similarly, I inquired how the depth chart was compiled and where it had come from.He explained to me that this was his own version of the depth chart as he saw it evolving at some point during the season. The team in fact HAD NOT tabbed Williams as the starter, and that at this point it looked like Foster was the one that had a leg up on Williams heading into training camp. He went on to explain that it was purely speculative on his part that AT SOME POINT during the year he would not be surprised if Williams took on a much larger role and began to have more carries than Foster did . . . again based on speculation that he felt that Williams might produce better numbers than Foster during the regular season.Obviously no one knows for sure what might happen at this point. But that's what sparked a lot of the Williams is the guy this year talk.Based on that, I do not read this as a slam dunk for Williams, no matter how you slice it. Yes, Williams could win the job, get 350 carries, and be the second coming of Marshall Faulk this year. I, however, do not see that happening. I am pretty confident that Williams is a better option than Foster and probably SHOULD be the #1 option. However, I see Foster gone in 08 and Williams getting a full time workload heading forward starting next year.I've already seen Williams going late 3rd, early 4th this year with other starting RBs left on the draft board that WON'T be in a true RBBC. I have a hard time endorsing someone that att his point is on the smaller side of a RBBC and on a team that as I outlined earlier has not recently been a force in terms of RB production. Yes, all that could change this year, but there are so many things that have to change that I fo one would let someone else make the investment and I'll shop elsewhere.

Currently (6/18) you have Williams ranked the lowest of the staff @ RB#37 in redraft and you have Foster @ RB#35 ranked the highest of the staff. Has your opinion of either players fantasy projections changed.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I've already seen Williams going late 3rd, early 4th this year with other starting RBs left on the draft board that WON'T be in a true RBBC. I have a hard time endorsing someone that att his point is on the smaller side of a RBBC and on a team that as I outlined earlier has not recently been a force in terms of RB production. Yes, all that could change this year, but there are so many things that have to change that I fo one would let someone else make the investment and I'll shop elsewhere.

And this is what separates fantasy football winners from losers. 90%+ of the people that participate want to go strictly off cheatsheets and projections. They want the comfort of "if DWill is there in the 3rd round or higher, you'd be dumb not to take him."The problem is that there are a TON of other factors that the casual player doesn't want to consider - things like "who else is avaialable" as you have pointed out.

Depending on who those "other starting RBs" are (and what my scoring system is and roster requirements are) I may or may not agree with you.

Player spots on the depth charts are extremely fluid. If you're drafting based on a pre-season depth chart, I think you're going about it the wrong way. Let's not forget that in approximately week four last year, Frank Gore was rumored to be losing touches to Michael Robinson. How many teams did he lead to the championship last year and what's his ADP this year?

 

[David Yudkin]

Let me add some clarity to the situation, at least from what I've seen, and seeing how I look at various player reports from multiple sources several times a day I can at the very least attest to actually looking for more information.Several months ago, IIRC the beat reporter from the Charlotte Observer listed a new Panthers depth chart that somehow got construed as being official. There was no explanation as to where it came, how it was compiled, or what it meant. All that mattered was that Williams was listed as RB1 and Foster as RB2. The rest of the media and fantasy outlets caught wind of this and ran with it, annointing Williams as "the man" in Carolina this year.When I finally got absorbed in this a week or two ago, I contacting the beat writer from the newspaper and indicated that I have checked multiple sources and had not seen anywhere that the team had said that Williams was the #1 back. Similarly, I inquired how the depth chart was compiled and where it had come from.He explained to me that this was his own version of the depth chart as he saw it evolving at some point during the season. The team in fact HAD NOT tabbed Williams as the starter, and that at this point it looked like Foster was the one that had a leg up on Williams heading into training camp. He went on to explain that it was purely speculative on his part that AT SOME POINT during the year he would not be surprised if Williams took on a much larger role and began to have more carries than Foster did . . . again based on speculation that he felt that Williams might produce better numbers than Foster during the regular season.Obviously no one knows for sure what might happen at this point. But that's what sparked a lot of the Williams is the guy this year talk.Based on that, I do not read this as a slam dunk for Williams, no matter how you slice it. Yes, Williams could win the job, get 350 carries, and be the second coming of Marshall Faulk this year. I, however, do not see that happening. I am pretty confident that Williams is a better option than Foster and probably SHOULD be the #1 option. However, I see Foster gone in 08 and Williams getting a full time workload heading forward starting next year.I've already seen Williams going late 3rd, early 4th this year with other starting RBs left on the draft board that WON'T be in a true RBBC. I have a hard time endorsing someone that att his point is on the smaller side of a RBBC and on a team that as I outlined earlier has not recently been a force in terms of RB production. Yes, all that could change this year, but there are so many things that have to change that I fo one would let someone else make the investment and I'll shop elsewhere.

Currently (6/18) you have Williams ranked the lowest of the staff @ RB#37 in redraft and you have Foster @ RB#35 ranked the highest of the staff. Has your opinion of either players fantasy projections changed.

Not significantly as there has not been a lot of news the past week or so. As things change so will my rankings.I certainly am anything but a Foster homer, as those that are board regulars know I have been very critical of him over the years.

 

[David Yudkin]

I've already seen Williams going late 3rd, early 4th this year with other starting RBs left on the draft board that WON'T be in a true RBBC. I have a hard time endorsing someone that att his point is on the smaller side of a RBBC and on a team that as I outlined earlier has not recently been a force in terms of RB production. Yes, all that could change this year, but there are so many things that have to change that I fo one would let someone else make the investment and I'll shop elsewhere.

And this is what separates fantasy football winners from losers. 90%+ of the people that participate want to go strictly off cheatsheets and projections. They want the comfort of "if DWill is there in the 3rd round or higher, you'd be dumb not to take him."The problem is that there are a TON of other factors that the casual player doesn't want to consider - things like "who else is avaialable" as you have pointed out.

Depending on who those "other starting RBs" are (and what my scoring system is and roster requirements are) I may or may not agree with you.

Player spots on the depth charts are extremely fluid. If you're drafting based on a pre-season depth chart, I think you're going about it the wrong way. Let's not forget that in approximately week four last year, Frank Gore was rumored to be losing touches to Michael Robinson. How many teams did he lead to the championship last year and what's his ADP this year?

IIRC, last year I had Gore and Chester Taylor ranked higher than anyone else on staff and the season before I was advocating taking Larry Johnson in the fourth round and some people thought I was certifiably insane. I also was evangelizing taking Clinton Portis back when he was third on the depth chart in Denver.Clearly you have to take risks to win, and taking Williams is not a calculated risk that I see working out AS OF JUNE 27th. if the team does announce their plan to kick Foster to the curb I will certain readdress this situation at this time.

I also would never draft by a preseason depth chart and only took up the charge on the depth charge front because that was what was stirring the pot in this situation.

I have spelled out what I see and what I think will happen, and that very well could be wrong. People are wlecome to agree or disagree. But for my money, I personally would not pay Williams' asking price (say a third round pick) when certainly at that point there will be stud WR still available in addition to other RB, potentially Gates, and depending on the league scoring one or two worthy QB.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I have spelled out what I see and what I think will happen, and that very well could be wrong. People are wlecome to agree or disagree. But for my money, I personally would not pay Williams' asking price (say a third round pick) when certainly at that point there will be stud WR still available in addition to other RB, potentially Gates, and depending on the league scoring one or two worthy QB.

Given that criteria, I guess I would agree.

 

[sholditch]

Is this based on anything subtantive?? Or is it just speculation and wishful thinking??

I'm guessing it's hyperbole as the focal point of the Panthers offense remains Steve Smith.

I was listening to an interview with someone on the panthers during minicamp and he repeated those exact same sentiments. Let's just try and keep this down though so I can still get him in the fourth.

Which sentiments? That it was Williams or Smith that's the focal point?

oh, projs:

290 for 1250 and 8

45 for 450 and 3

pretty good 4th round value

I think this is the heart of the debate here. Let me be clear in saying that while I expect that by the end of the season DWill will have top 10 RB numbers, I will not be drafting him in the 1st or 2nd rounds of a redraft. The risk that he WON'T produce those numbers is too high. But depending on what spot I'm drafting at, the potential is worth the risk in rounds 3 or higher.

No, they were talking about D-Will being "the man" whatever that means. There are only two people whose opinions matter in this subject: John Fox and his OC

 

[sholditch]

Let me add some clarity to the situation, at least from what I've seen, and seeing how I look at various player reports from multiple sources several times a day I can at the very least attest to actually looking for more information.Several months ago, IIRC the beat reporter from the Charlotte Observer listed a new Panthers depth chart that somehow got construed as being official. There was no explanation as to where it came, how it was compiled, or what it meant. All that mattered was that Williams was listed as RB1 and Foster as RB2. The rest of the media and fantasy outlets caught wind of this and ran with it, annointing Williams as "the man" in Carolina this year.When I finally got absorbed in this a week or two ago, I contacting the beat writer from the newspaper and indicated that I have checked multiple sources and had not seen anywhere that the team had said that Williams was the #1 back. Similarly, I inquired how the depth chart was compiled and where it had come from.He explained to me that this was his own version of the depth chart as he saw it evolving at some point during the season. The team in fact HAD NOT tabbed Williams as the starter, and that at this point it looked like Foster was the one that had a leg up on Williams heading into training camp. He went on to explain that it was purely speculative on his part that AT SOME POINT during the year he would not be surprised if Williams took on a much larger role and began to have more carries than Foster did . . . again based on speculation that he felt that Williams might produce better numbers than Foster during the regular season.Obviously no one knows for sure what might happen at this point. But that's what sparked a lot of the Williams is the guy this year talk.Based on that, I do not read this as a slam dunk for Williams, no matter how you slice it. Yes, Williams could win the job, get 350 carries, and be the second coming of Marshall Faulk this year. I, however, do not see that happening. I am pretty confident that Williams is a better option than Foster and probably SHOULD be the #1 option. However, I see Foster gone in 08 and Williams getting a full time workload heading forward starting next year.I've already seen Williams going late 3rd, early 4th this year with other starting RBs left on the draft board that WON'T be in a true RBBC. I have a hard time endorsing someone that att his point is on the smaller side of a RBBC and on a team that as I outlined earlier has not recently been a force in terms of RB production. Yes, all that could change this year, but there are so many things that have to change that I fo one would let someone else make the investment and I'll shop elsewhere.

I don't think the Panthers player who called him "the man" on NFL radio was using this depth chart as his reference. But we'll see, it will play out in camp, and I would gladly lay down $20 that D-Will starts game 1.

 

[sholditch]

D-Will just taken at 5.6 in a 12-teamer, RB 25

 

[duaneok66]

Is this based on anything subtantive?? Or is it just speculation and wishful thinking??

I'm guessing it's hyperbole as the focal point of the Panthers offense remains Steve Smith.

I was listening to an interview with someone on the panthers during minicamp and he repeated those exact same sentiments. Let's just try and keep this down though so I can still get him in the fourth.

Which sentiments? That it was Williams or Smith that's the focal point?

oh, projs:

290 for 1250 and 8

45 for 450 and 3

pretty good 4th round value

I think this is the heart of the debate here. Let me be clear in saying that while I expect that by the end of the season DWill will have top 10 RB numbers, I will not be drafting him in the 1st or 2nd rounds of a redraft. The risk that he WON'T produce those numbers is too high. But depending on what spot I'm drafting at, the potential is worth the risk in rounds 3 or higher.

No, they were talking about D-Will being "the man" whatever that means. There are only two people whose opinions matter in this subject: John Fox and his OC

agree with the latter part of the post . . .people have been repeating the bolded part for the last 14 months . . .

 

[Keith Lewis]

If anyone has it on tape or tivo, go watch the Panthers vs Eagles game last year, when Foster was out. I think that game alone is why a lot of us D-Willy fans have high hopes for this year.

After that stellar performance, Williams proceeded to have weeks with 2 rushes for 2 yards and 2 carries for 1 yard.

isn't that when Foster got his starting job back?? Something else Williams fans continue to ignore . . .

Oh yeah. I forgot. Those were the weeks that Foster lit it up to the tune of 8/23 and 7/42. He sure made hat when given the opportunity.

I brought that up to show you that Williams "stellar performance" didnt earn him the starting job . . . why do you expect anything different this year??

So what you see as a rookie is what you get...no improvement. The biggest problem for a Rookie RB is pass protection. Now that Williams has been around for a year he will be much improved in that area and ready to take on the role as starting RB (he is much more tallented than Foster). Foster did not get the starting job because of his performance.The staff seems to agree with me

Outlook

DeAngelo is now the focal point of the Panthers new offense. Is he up to the task? Panther fans sure hope so. New OC Jeff Davidson promises a run first philosophy and Williams feels like he is ready to rock. This season is going to be a big test for Williams in the NFL. He was a great and productive back in college, but will it ever translate to the pros? He has the ability to be a top 15 back, and should not be overlooked in fantasy drafts.

Is this based on anything subtantive?? Or is it just speculation and wishful thinking??

I noticed FBG has Williams as the starter on the depth charts, yet on every other Panther depth chart I have only seen Foster listed as the starter, I'm not sure that depth charts should be up for FBG to speculate on, we'd be better served going by the facts.

 

[BassNBrew]

The 70-year-old owner of the Carolina Panthers had spent the weekend playing basketball and tennis with five key members of his team. "I hurt from the jaws to the tip of my toes," Richardson said. "My knees hurt, my shins hurt, my hips hurt." Coming off a disappointing 8-8 season, Richardson wanted to have a "bonding experience" with his players. "Last year was not warm and wonderful," Richardson said. So he invited quarterback Jake Delhomme, receiver Steve Smith, defensive end Julius Peppers, tackle Jordan Gross and running back DeShaun Foster to his lake house. Richardson divided them into two three-man teams through a blind draw. Richardson was paired with Delhomme and Smith. Peppers, Gross and Foster were on the other team. They then played three-man tennis, shot pool and did some jet skiing. But the most intense was the 3-on-3 basketball. Peppers, who played college basketball at North Carolina, made up the rules — except for one. "The rule was if I was 40 years older than you, I could hold you," Richardson said. The towering Richardson was a great athlete in his day, culminating with catching the clinching touchdown pass from Johnny Unitas in the 1959 NFL championship game. But he was no match for his current crop of players. Richardson grabbed and tugged at Peppers, but Peppers was too quick. "If I jerked his hand away, he'd just swing me around," Richardson said. So Richardson switched to Gross, who proved to be too strong. "He would drag me around like I wasn't even on the court," he said. An intense competitor, Richardson has been stewing over the 2006 season, which started with Super Bowl hopes and ended without a playoff berth. Perhaps the weekend with his players will spark a turnaround. "I believe he has put together a model franchise here," said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, who was the guest speaker at Tuesday's luncheon. "He's done everything he can to make sure this franchise represents the community in the best possible way." Probably something the D-Willy bandwagon should take note of.

 

[sholditch]

his adp according to ffcalculator is 5.05 for a 12-teamer. I think no matter what happens that represents a pretty damn good bet. Ratchet it up a round for drafting with experienced players and it's still a good gamble. I mean, this kid was lightning in a bottle in college, and I know C-USA doesn't have great D or anything, but the kid has incredible talent.

 

[Angel Eyes]

I browse these forums from time to time, but i've never created an account. But as I was reading this thread I felt compelled to put my two cents in, simply because I think most of the people here don't understand this situation. I'm also a diehard Panthers fan, but I consider myself to be pretty objective.

First of all, I think Foster and Williams will get around the same amount of carries, at least in the first half of this season. If you ask me, Williams did enough in the games that he got lots of touches to warrant the starting job, but i'm not John Fox.

As for the new offense, I think the hiring of Jeff Davidson was about the best thing Williams could've asked for. Not only is he installing the zone scheme, but he's also installed a ton of screen plays into the offense. For those who aren't aware, Dan Henning was a terrible offensive coordinator. One of the big reasons he was terrible was because even when our offensive personnel clearly didn't match with what he wanted to do, he didn't change a thing. I believe I read somewhere that the Panthers lead the NFL in runs up the middle, and this is with DeShaun Foster and DeAngelo Williams of all players. Some players have even said that in Henning's offense there wasn't even a hard count and that the ball was always snapped on "one", which tells you just how predictable his offense was.

I know some are skeptical about the new blocking scheme, but that also goes back to Henning. Our offensive line is not bad as some have alluded to. They've generally been a good pass blocking line, but the production in the ground game has not been there. I think some of this goes back to Henning, it's tough to be successful when use guys like Foster and Williams as if they're Eddie George. The main reason Davidson decided to change the blocking scheme was not so much because of the production(or lack thereof) in recent years, but because our personnel is a great fit for it. Pretty much all of our offensive linemen are just a smidge over 300 lbs, and most of them are good athletes, not to mention we just drafted a guy in Ryan Kalil who fits like a glove in this system. On paper, it's hard to believe this group can't play better if put in the right position.

In the end, if you asked me what kind of production to expect out of Williams it would be tough to say. Maybe Fox will continue being overly loyal to his veterans, or maybe he'll become more flexible in a season where the pressure is on and give Williams the nod. Williams is an injury risk himself just as Foster is, and that could actually be a legitimate reason for Fox not to give Williams a big workload. In any event, I think whether it be Foster or Williams both players will be put in a position to succeed in this new offense.

 

[rzrback77]

DeAngelo Williams is getting a lot of hype on the FBG message board this summer. But, the reality of his situation is that he and Foster are much more similar than DWill hype buyers will admit. DWill was the 27th overall pick in 06. Foster went early in the second round a few years earlier. DWill is 5-10 and weighs 217, Foster is 6-0 and weighs 220. Both are good receivers and will benefit from an increase in screen passes. Both are more effective running in the open field than straight up the middle and both should benefit from the zone blocking scheme, ONCE IT IS EFFECTIVE.

Last year's stats are also eerily similar:

Foster 14 gms 227 rushes 897 yds (4.0 ypc) 46 targets 32 catches 159 yds 3 total TDs

Williams 13 gms 121 rushes 501 yds (4.1 ypc) 37 targets 33 catches 313 yds 2 total TDs

Williams has been loudly cheered as more explosive, yet with that many more carries, Foster's ypc was almost identical. TDs roughly equal and not good.

Their offensive line had many injuries in 06 and you would expect an improved health situation (from the law of averages) and better production, yet they have a new offensive coordinator and are instituting a new scheme. Even if the scheme firts their personnel better, will it bring results immediately or will the entire group have to grow into it. I see sharing by these two RBs and not much improvement over last year. If either offers value, it has to be Foster due to the vast difference in their ADP. DWill is currently RB23 and 33rd overall, while Foster is RB41 and 101 overall. If I'm taking one of these two, its Foster.

DeAngelo Williams 180 carries 720 yards (4.0 ypc) 40 catches 310 yards and 5 TDs

 

[Keith Lewis]

DeAngelo Williams is getting a lot of hype on the FBG message board this summer. But, the reality of his situation is that he and Foster are much more similar than DWill hype buyers will admit. DWill was the 27th overall pick in 06. Foster went early in the second round a few years earlier. DWill is 5-10 and weighs 217, Foster is 6-0 and weighs 220. Both are good receivers and will benefit from an increase in screen passes. Both are more effective running in the open field than straight up the middle and both should benefit from the zone blocking scheme, ONCE IT IS EFFECTIVE.Last year's stats are also eerily similar:Foster 14 gms 227 rushes 897 yds (4.0 ypc) 46 targets 32 catches 159 yds 3 total TDsWilliams 13 gms 121 rushes 501 yds (4.1 ypc) 37 targets 33 catches 313 yds 2 total TDsWilliams has been loudly cheered as more explosive, yet with that many more carries, Foster's ypc was almost identical. TDs roughly equal and not good.Their offensive line had many injuries in 06 and you would expect an improved health situation (from the law of averages) and better production, yet they have a new offensive coordinator and are instituting a new scheme. Even if the scheme firts their personnel better, will it bring results immediately or will the entire group have to grow into it. I see sharing by these two RBs and not much improvement over last year. If either offers value, it has to be Foster due to the vast difference in their ADP. DWill is currently RB23 and 33rd overall, while Foster is RB41 and 101 overall. If I'm taking one of these two, its Foster.DeAngelo Williams 180 carries 720 yards (4.0 ypc) 40 catches 310 yards and 5 TDs

 

[jurb26]

Talent wins out this year and Williams gets more touches than Foster.

Rushing: 220 carries, 990 yds, 7 TDs

Receiving: 42 receptions, 375 yds, 2 TDs

 

[msommer]

Talent wins out this year and Williams gets more touches than Foster.Rushing: 220 carries, 990 yds, 7 TDsReceiving: 42 receptions, 375 yds, 2 TDs

I think this makes sense although the blurb on the bonding experience above is noteworthy. It may only be 2008 DeAngelo takes over full time but I'll not presume that the split will be rigorously 50/50 by years end or by game.

 

[sholditch]

DeAngelo Williams is getting a lot of hype on the FBG message board this summer. But, the reality of his situation is that he and Foster are much more similar than DWill hype buyers will admit. DWill was the 27th overall pick in 06. Foster went early in the second round a few years earlier. DWill is 5-10 and weighs 217, Foster is 6-0 and weighs 220. Both are good receivers and will benefit from an increase in screen passes. Both are more effective running in the open field than straight up the middle and both should benefit from the zone blocking scheme, ONCE IT IS EFFECTIVE.

Last year's stats are also eerily similar:

Foster 14 gms 227 rushes 897 yds (4.0 ypc) 46 targets 32 catches 159 yds 3 total TDs

Williams 13 gms 121 rushes 501 yds (4.1 ypc) 37 targets 33 catches 313 yds 2 total TDs

Williams has been loudly cheered as more explosive, yet with that many more carries, Foster's ypc was almost identical. TDs roughly equal and not good.

Their offensive line had many injuries in 06 and you would expect an improved health situation (from the law of averages) and better production, yet they have a new offensive coordinator and are instituting a new scheme. Even if the scheme firts their personnel better, will it bring results immediately or will the entire group have to grow into it. I see sharing by these two RBs and not much improvement over last year. If either offers value, it has to be Foster due to the vast difference in their ADP. DWill is currently RB23 and 33rd overall, while Foster is RB41 and 101 overall. If I'm taking one of these two, its Foster.

DeAngelo Williams 180 carries 720 yards (4.0 ypc) 40 catches 310 yards and 5 TDs

A) Why not at least acknowledge the DRASTIC difference between them in the passing game last year?B) How many NCAA rushing records did DeShaun break?

 

[Keith Lewis]

Anybody who gave this guy over 1000 or 8 TDS not own him in a league?

 

[Blackjacks]

Anybody who gave this guy over 1000 or 8 TDS not own him in a league?

I put him over both totals and traded him this offseason. No homerism at all I just really think he is going to be a good player.

 

[Longrifle]

Rushes 250

Rushing Yards 1000

Rush TDs 8

Receptions 40

Receiving Yards 360

Receiving TDs 3

 

[Chunky Soup]

DeAngelo Williams is getting a lot of hype on the FBG message board this summer. But, the reality of his situation is that he and Foster are much more similar than DWill hype buyers will admit. DWill was the 27th overall pick in 06. Foster went early in the second round a few years earlier. DWill is 5-10 and weighs 217, Foster is 6-0 and weighs 220. Both are good receivers and will benefit from an increase in screen passes. Both are more effective running in the open field than straight up the middle and both should benefit from the zone blocking scheme, ONCE IT IS EFFECTIVE.Last year's stats are also eerily similar:Foster 14 gms 227 rushes 897 yds (4.0 ypc) 46 targets 32 catches 159 yds 3 total TDsWilliams 13 gms 121 rushes 501 yds (4.1 ypc) 37 targets 33 catches 313 yds 2 total TDsWilliams has been loudly cheered as more explosive, yet with that many more carries, Foster's ypc was almost identical. TDs roughly equal and not good.Their offensive line had many injuries in 06 and you would expect an improved health situation (from the law of averages) and better production, yet they have a new offensive coordinator and are instituting a new scheme. Even if the scheme firts their personnel better, will it bring results immediately or will the entire group have to grow into it. I see sharing by these two RBs and not much improvement over last year. If either offers value, it has to be Foster due to the vast difference in their ADP. DWill is currently RB23 and 33rd overall, while Foster is RB41 and 101 overall. If I'm taking one of these two, its Foster.

Dude, -"DWill was the 27th overall pick in 06. Foster went early in the second round a few years earlier." This is not comparable. Remember, Williams was the #2 RB prospect by almost EVERYONE coming out. And who to? Bush. You are ignoring the different talent levels in the draft. Last year was an incredible talent level for RBs.- You point out their stats. Here are some things:a) Williams beats Foster in every statistical category across the board. Williams actually had very close to 4.2 YPC and Foster had very close to 3.90 YPC. Oddly enough, the rounding made this seem like a smaller difference than it was. b) You don't mention the passing game in your analysis of how "equal" they are. If you saw them play, or look at the stats, this is where Williams simply lit it up. c) Williams is NOT more explosive? Williams: 1 reception for over 40 yrds and 3 for over 20. Foster: long of 14.Williams: 5 rushes for over 20 yards over 120 carries .Foster: 3 rushes for over 20 yards over 220 carries.DWill: 2 TDs on 150 touchesDeshaun: 3 TDs on 250 touchesStill I think the biggest stat of 'em all is:Years experience before the seasonWill: 0Deshaun: 5Do a search on google news about Panthers running game. Williams is all everyone talks about, as to who the ZBS will favor, who the team needs this season, etc. There is a reason for it, and that is because Williams is expected to to carry the team for rushing.My prediciton:255 carries 1210 6 TDs59 rec. 600 yards 5 TDs

 

[wannabee]

I think many of you are shooting a little high for Williams this year. Here are some stats I ran on the Panther running game over the last five years, which is how long John Fox has been head coach.

For the last few years, I have heard many times how the Carolina Panthers are a good rushing team and how it is good to have the Panther RBs on your fantasy team. But, after looking at the numbers of the five years John Fox has been the Panther Head Coach, the statistics disagree with this notion. Here are some observations from these five years:

 The high TD rusher per year had: 7, 8, 6, 12, 3 (or an average of 7 per season)

 The team averaged 10.2 rushing TDs per year

 The RB with the most carries had: 210, 318, 217, 205, 223 (avg. 235 carries/yr)

 The RB with the 2nd most rushes had: 101, 113, 68, 180, 121 (avg. 117 carries/yr)

 The Panthers have ranked in the bottom half of the NFL all 5 years in YPC

 In 4 of the 5 years, the Panthers have been in the bottom half of the NFL in: Rush yards and Rush TDs

 Only one year did the Panthers, as a team, eclipse the 4.00 YPC mark, but still 17th in NFL

The five years Fox has been head coach, the Panthers’ record has been:

2002 7-9

2003 11-5

2004 7-9

2005 11-5

2006 8-8

The only two years the Panthers had a winning record were the only two years that the Panthers: were in the top half of the NFL in rush attempts (and top 10 both years) and were 28th pass attempts both years. Also, in those two years, the Panthers were in the top 10 in the NFL in passing YPA. These were the only two years Stephen Davis was a Panther and was healthy. Is it a coincidence that the only two years the Panthers ran the ball a lot were the two years the Panthers had a winning record?

The Panthers fired offensive coordinator Dan Henning and offensive line coach Mike Maser. Henning was replaced with Jeff Davidson from the Cleveland Browns. Davidson’s specialty is the offensive line and the running game. Many think this change indicates that the Panthers will be more of a run-first team once again. Davidson took over as interim offensive coordinator for the last ten games of the season for the Browns after Maurice Carthon resigned. Before that, he was an assistant coach and the offensive line coach. Davidson was with the Patriots from 1997-2004 as the tight ends coach and assistant offensive line coach. One odd sidenote: the Browns averaged 14.7 points per game under Carthon and 15 points per game under Davidson. The Browns had a total of 1335 total rushing yards with Droughns, and his 758 rushing yards, leading the way.But, Droughns’ yards per attempt rose from 3.2 with Carthon at the helm to 3.58 with Davidson. I know the offensive line gelled some and there are other factors at work as well.

What does this mean for DeAngelo Williams and DeShaun Foster? Will either get enough carries to be a viable RB going forward? I do not know. But, I do know that the carries have to increase to make Williams worth what his fantasy owners paid for him. Also, will the Panthers look for a pounding RB similar to what they had in Stephen Davis?

Many questions left to answer, but I see the Panther RBs as a risky proposition going forward.

For reference purposes, all data came from pro-football-reference.com

 

[RoyDubb]

DeAngelo Williams is getting a lot of hype on the FBG message board this summer. But, the reality of his situation is that he and Foster are much more similar than DWill hype buyers will admit. DWill was the 27th overall pick in 06. Foster went early in the second round a few years earlier. DWill is 5-10 and weighs 217, Foster is 6-0 and weighs 220. Both are good receivers and will benefit from an increase in screen passes. Both are more effective running in the open field than straight up the middle and both should benefit from the zone blocking scheme, ONCE IT IS EFFECTIVE.Last year's stats are also eerily similar:Foster 14 gms 227 rushes 897 yds (4.0 ypc) 46 targets 32 catches 159 yds 3 total TDsWilliams 13 gms 121 rushes 501 yds (4.1 ypc) 37 targets 33 catches 313 yds 2 total TDsWilliams has been loudly cheered as more explosive, yet with that many more carries, Foster's ypc was almost identical. TDs roughly equal and not good.Their offensive line had many injuries in 06 and you would expect an improved health situation (from the law of averages) and better production, yet they have a new offensive coordinator and are instituting a new scheme. Even if the scheme firts their personnel better, will it bring results immediately or will the entire group have to grow into it. I see sharing by these two RBs and not much improvement over last year. If either offers value, it has to be Foster due to the vast difference in their ADP. DWill is currently RB23 and 33rd overall, while Foster is RB41 and 101 overall. If I'm taking one of these two, its Foster.

Dude, -"DWill was the 27th overall pick in 06. Foster went early in the second round a few years earlier." This is not comparable. Remember, Williams was the #2 RB prospect by almost EVERYONE coming out. And who to? Bush. You are ignoring the different talent levels in the draft. Last year was an incredible talent level for RBs.- You point out their stats. Here are some things:a) Williams beats Foster in every statistical category across the board. Williams actually had very close to 4.2 YPC and Foster had very close to 3.90 YPC. Oddly enough, the rounding made this seem like a smaller difference than it was. b) You don't mention the passing game in your analysis of how "equal" they are. If you saw them play, or look at the stats, this is where Williams simply lit it up. c) Williams is NOT more explosive? Williams: 1 reception for over 40 yrds and 3 for over 20. Foster: long of 14.Williams: 5 rushes for over 20 yards over 120 carries .Foster: 3 rushes for over 20 yards over 220 carries.DWill: 2 TDs on 150 touchesDeshaun: 3 TDs on 250 touchesStill I think the biggest stat of 'em all is:Years experience before the seasonWill: 0Deshaun: 5Do a search on google news about Panthers running game. Williams is all everyone talks about, as to who the ZBS will favor, who the team needs this season, etc. There is a reason for it, and that is because Williams is expected to to carry the team for rushing.My prediciton:255 carries 1210 6 TDs59 rec. 600 yards 5 TDs

FWIW, when Panthers drafted DeAngelo, they thought they were getting the next Priest Holmes !!! I do remember reading that.

 

[wannabee]

Panthers | Foster remains unquestioned starting tailback

Published Wed Jul 4 3:28:00 p.m. ET 2007

(KFFL) ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports Carolina Panthers RB DeShaun Foster remains the team's unquestioned No. 1 running back entering the 2007 season. He started a career-high 14 games last season but has a long list of previous injuries on his resume. Foster, who is expected to share time with RB DeAngelo Williams this season, seems to be more productive when sharing the workload.

 

[wannabee]

Panthers | Williams sheds weight

Published Wed Jul 4 3:27:00 p.m. ET 2007

(KFFL) ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports Carolina Panthers RB DeAngelo Williams said most of his tentativeness is now gone but he still has to learn a new blocking scheme in front of him. However, the zone-blocking techniques are familiar to him from his days in college. "I actually feel more comfortable," Williams said. "It's like second nature for me." The one-cut style running scheme is something Williams feels is very running back-friendly. Williams also shed five pounds and feels quicker at 212 pounds. He is expected to share time with RB DeShaun Foster in 2007.

 

[TaxMan]

Panthers | Williams sheds weight Published Wed Jul 4 3:27:00 p.m. ET 2007 (KFFL) ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports Carolina Panthers RB DeAngelo Williams said most of his tentativeness is now gone but he still has to learn a new blocking scheme in front of him. However, the zone-blocking techniques are familiar to him from his days in college. "I actually feel more comfortable," Williams said. "It's like second nature for me." The one-cut style running scheme is something Williams feels is very running back-friendly. Williams also shed five pounds and feels quicker at 212 pounds. He is expected to share time with RB DeShaun Foster in 2007.

News like this at this time of the year is GREAT !!! Most will be hesitant to pull the trigger on DeAngelo and that will make him a value in a redraft league (4th round). Just wait until preseason where he'll be a late 2nd rounder. Those doing early drafts better capitalize on this news, just like Barlow vs. Gore last year.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Panthers | Williams sheds weight Published Wed Jul 4 3:27:00 p.m. ET 2007 (KFFL) ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports Carolina Panthers RB DeAngelo Williams said most of his tentativeness is now gone but he still has to learn a new blocking scheme in front of him. However, the zone-blocking techniques are familiar to him from his days in college. "I actually feel more comfortable," Williams said. "It's like second nature for me." The one-cut style running scheme is something Williams feels is very running back-friendly. Williams also shed five pounds and feels quicker at 212 pounds. He is expected to share time with RB DeShaun Foster in 2007.

News like this at this time of the year is GREAT !!! Most will be hesitant to pull the trigger on DeAngelo and that will make him a value in a redraft league (4th round). Just wait until preseason where he'll be a late 2nd rounder. Those doing early drafts better capitalize on this news, just like Barlow vs. Gore last year.

The real problem with your theory is that Foster > Barlow and also Gore > Williams. Carolina 2007 running game = Splittsville Central.

 

[TaxMan]

Panthers | Williams sheds weight Published Wed Jul 4 3:27:00 p.m. ET 2007 (KFFL) ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports Carolina Panthers RB DeAngelo Williams said most of his tentativeness is now gone but he still has to learn a new blocking scheme in front of him. However, the zone-blocking techniques are familiar to him from his days in college. "I actually feel more comfortable," Williams said. "It's like second nature for me." The one-cut style running scheme is something Williams feels is very running back-friendly. Williams also shed five pounds and feels quicker at 212 pounds. He is expected to share time with RB DeShaun Foster in 2007.

News like this at this time of the year is GREAT !!! Most will be hesitant to pull the trigger on DeAngelo and that will make him a value in a redraft league (4th round). Just wait until preseason where he'll be a late 2nd rounder. Those doing early drafts better capitalize on this news, just like Barlow vs. Gore last year.

The real problem with your theory is that Foster > Barlow and also Gore > Williams. Carolina 2007 running game = Splittsville Central.

you may be right, but the DELTA between Gore/Barlow is the same as D-Will/Foster. The incumbent guy in both situation is GARBAGE in every sense of the word

 

[mdog1967]

Panthers | Williams sheds weight Published Wed Jul 4 3:27:00 p.m. ET 2007 (KFFL) ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports Carolina Panthers RB DeAngelo Williams said most of his tentativeness is now gone but he still has to learn a new blocking scheme in front of him. However, the zone-blocking techniques are familiar to him from his days in college. "I actually feel more comfortable," Williams said. "It's like second nature for me." The one-cut style running scheme is something Williams feels is very running back-friendly. Williams also shed five pounds and feels quicker at 212 pounds. He is expected to share time with RB DeShaun Foster in 2007.

News like this at this time of the year is GREAT !!! Most will be hesitant to pull the trigger on DeAngelo and that will make him a value in a redraft league (4th round). Just wait until preseason where he'll be a late 2nd rounder. Those doing early drafts better capitalize on this news, just like Barlow vs. Gore last year.

The real problem with your theory is that Foster > Barlow and also Gore > Williams. Carolina 2007 running game = Splittsville Central.

you may be right, but the DELTA between Gore/Barlow is the same as D-Will/Foster. The incumbent guy in both situation is GARBAGE in every sense of the word

Your an Idiot to make that comparison.

 

[joey]

Your an Idiot to make that comparison.

classy contribution to this thread.

 

[Biabreakable]

This is one of the situations where you can get a RB with a later round pick that could really help you win your league. I agree that DeAngelo Williams is a risk to draft in the 4th round at this point and it will depend on what other players are available and the flow of how your team and the draft is going.. but that is a risk I could see myself taking.

I think Williams will beat out Foster for the starting job in training camp. I expect it to take some time for the Oline to fully adjust to the ZBS which will lead to better performance for the RBs later in the season than early on. In the end however I see Williams getting 900-1600 total yards and flirting with double digit TDs. I think the Panthers offense will be significantly better than last season. There are a lot of risks involved but Williams has the talent that may lead me to take that risk. I might consider cuffing Foster to him with a later pick if there is enough seperation between the 2 RBs ADP. I might prefer to want to wait until the 5th round to draft Williams but that is probobly not a realistic expectation. If Williams does heat up right away in TC then his ADP will probobly go up even further. The uncertainty of this situation is creating an opportunity to get him at good value right now despite what appears like a lot of interest in him from members on this board and perhaps amoung most FF circles.

I have not projected out the Panthers offesne yet so take my broad stroke numbers with a grain of salt. But I do not think this offense is going to be similar to what we have seen from it in the past. I expect to see some improvement and the recievers will definitly keep defenses on thier heels so there should be plenty of room for a player like Williams to operate. I do expect some time share with Foster but I believe that Williams is the superior player in every way and that will lead to a larger workload for him moving forward.

TC will be interesting. I think Williams wins the job outright then and begins the season as the Panthers starter.

 

[Alluro]

Does anyone still consider DeLo the 2nd best rb prospect from last years draft?

It seems like Bush, Maroney, MJD, even Norwood are viewed as better players than DeLo at the moment. As a DeLo owner, I'm hoping he gets a chance to show his stuff this season.

 

[RC94]

Panthers | Williams sheds weight Published Wed Jul 4 3:27:00 p.m. ET 2007 (KFFL) ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports Carolina Panthers RB DeAngelo Williams said most of his tentativeness is now gone but he still has to learn a new blocking scheme in front of him. However, the zone-blocking techniques are familiar to him from his days in college. "I actually feel more comfortable," Williams said. "It's like second nature for me." The one-cut style running scheme is something Williams feels is very running back-friendly. Williams also shed five pounds and feels quicker at 212 pounds. He is expected to share time with RB DeShaun Foster in 2007.

News like this at this time of the year is GREAT !!! Most will be hesitant to pull the trigger on DeAngelo and that will make him a value in a redraft league (4th round). Just wait until preseason where he'll be a late 2nd rounder. Those doing early drafts better capitalize on this news, just like Barlow vs. Gore last year.

The real problem with your theory is that Foster > Barlow and also Gore > Williams. Carolina 2007 running game = Splittsville Central.

you may be right, but the DELTA between Gore/Barlow is the same as D-Will/Foster. The incumbent guy in both situation is GARBAGE in every sense of the word

Your an Idiot to make that comparison.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Panthers | Williams sheds weight Published Wed Jul 4 3:27:00 p.m. ET 2007 (KFFL) ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports Carolina Panthers RB DeAngelo Williams said most of his tentativeness is now gone but he still has to learn a new blocking scheme in front of him. However, the zone-blocking techniques are familiar to him from his days in college. "I actually feel more comfortable," Williams said. "It's like second nature for me." The one-cut style running scheme is something Williams feels is very running back-friendly. Williams also shed five pounds and feels quicker at 212 pounds. He is expected to share time with RB DeShaun Foster in 2007.

News like this at this time of the year is GREAT !!! Most will be hesitant to pull the trigger on DeAngelo and that will make him a value in a redraft league (4th round). Just wait until preseason where he'll be a late 2nd rounder. Those doing early drafts better capitalize on this news, just like Barlow vs. Gore last year.

The real problem with your theory is that Foster > Barlow and also Gore > Williams. Carolina 2007 running game = Splittsville Central.

you may be right, but the DELTA between Gore/Barlow is the same as D-Will/Foster. The incumbent guy in both situation is GARBAGE in every sense of the word

Your an Idiot to make that comparison.

Dark yellow in the pool.

 

[Gottabesweet]

No Dwill love in here - It seems like everyone dislikes him now.

I like the kid

Why did he lose weight most backs are 220 ish

 

[Dirty Weasel]

I did notice one common factor here. Not a single person, even the ones who are down on DeAngelo, have him projected for less than 1000 yards total. I guess we can now call that his floor, and I'll take that as my RB3 anyday.

 

[m_sell31]

I did notice one common factor here. Not a single person, even the ones who are down on DeAngelo, have him projected for less than 1000 yards total. I guess we can now call that his floor, and I'll take that as my RB3 anyday.

This was someones earlier projection, I guess he is projecting just over 1000 when you include recieving yards...DeAngelo Williams 180 carries 720 yards (4.0 ypc) 40 catches 310 yards and 5 TDsI think this is spot on by the way!This projection makes him a below average #2 in my league, above average #3. He warrents being tacken in the late 4th maybe, good value in the 5th, but no higher. Unless foster has a season ending injury it is alot more likely that they slit all year than it is Williams beating him out.People projecting 1500+ total yards ans 10 tDS are crazy if you ask me, just my opinion though.