Ned
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it's hilarious how blind people can be when they latch on to what they think is the next great thing.1 whole post above the fluff piece about deangello losing 5lbs is this...yet nobody bats an eye... 
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Raskell5
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I would believe very little of what he says. Pasquarelli has been famous for being "friends" with agents like Joel Segal and then trying to pass off information from them as Breaking News. I have no doubt that David Dunn, Foster's agent is probably the one who told Pasquarelli that Foster is the unquestioned starter. Why wouldn't he? I find it funny that in this great quote, that people keep bringing up, it is never attributed to anyone in the Carolina Panthers organization.Just my .02
RC94
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I have never heard this. Do you have any proof?
Raskell5
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Raskell5
Footballguy
Foster could very well be the starter. Who knows??? All I'm saying is not to have blind faith in what Len Pasquarelli reports. Everyone has an agenda.
RC94
Footballguy
Accusations from a rumor internet site and a random blog and then typed in by anyone into Wikipedia equals proof to you? Nobody is saying people should take anything any reporter says with blind faith, but none of this equals proof to me and it certainly doesn't mean we should just dismiss anything Pasquarelli says.
Alluro
Footballguy
NFL.com is famous for not updating their depth charts in a timely manner. In fact, that may just be assumed as a carry over into this season because Foster finished last year as the starter. The Official carolina depth charts are blank at the moment:http://www.panthers.com/Team/Default.aspx?id=612Foster could very well be the starter. Who knows??? All I'm saying is not to have blind faith in what Len Pasquarelli reports. Everyone has an agenda.Would you believe it if you saw this? Looks like the Carolina Panthers organization to me.I would believe very little of what he says. Pasquarelli has been famous for being "friends" with agents like Joel Segal and then trying to pass off information from them as Breaking News. I have no doubt that David Dunn, Foster's agent is probably the one who told Pasquarelli that Foster is the unquestioned starter. Why wouldn't he? I find it funny that in this great quote, that people keep bringing up, it is never attributed to anyone in the Carolina Panthers organization.Just my .02it's hilarious how blind people can be when they latch on to what they think is the next great thing.
1 whole post above the fluff piece about deangello losing 5lbs is this...yet nobody bats an eye...
Clean slate going into camp?
Raskell5
Footballguy
That's why this is such a great country. You believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. Agree to disagree.
RC94
Footballguy
I don't think anyone has depth charts worth going by until at least the preseason. I don't think a depth chart in this case really matters anyway. Regardless of who is actually listed as the #1 and who is listed as the #2, this has all the makings of a RBBC (while both are healthy).NFL.com is famous for not updating their depth charts in a timely manner. In fact, that may just be assumed as a carry over into this season because Foster finished last year as the starter. The Official carolina depth charts are blank at the moment:http://www.panthers.com/Team/Default.aspx?id=612Foster could very well be the starter. Who knows??? All I'm saying is not to have blind faith in what Len Pasquarelli reports. Everyone has an agenda.Would you believe it if you saw this? Looks like the Carolina Panthers organization to me.I would believe very little of what he says. Pasquarelli has been famous for being "friends" with agents like Joel Segal and then trying to pass off information from them as Breaking News. I have no doubt that David Dunn, Foster's agent is probably the one who told Pasquarelli that Foster is the unquestioned starter. Why wouldn't he? I find it funny that in this great quote, that people keep bringing up, it is never attributed to anyone in the Carolina Panthers organization.Just my .02it's hilarious how blind people can be when they latch on to what they think is the next great thing.
1 whole post above the fluff piece about deangello losing 5lbs is this...yet nobody bats an eye...
Clean slate going into camp?
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jurb26
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I continue to find it funny that all this chest thumping is still going on about the depth chart. This is a situation that will take time to play itself out. Pick your side, cheer for your guy and enjoy the ride. No matter who is on the 1st position of the depth chart, the other will see SIGNIFICANT touches.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Not updated? Then how is Jarrett listed as a #1 WR? That would seem like someone did SOME updating a little recently.NFL.com is famous for not updating their depth charts in a timely manner. In fact, that may just be assumed as a carry over into this season because Foster finished last year as the starter. The Official carolina depth charts are blank at the moment:http://www.panthers.com/Team/Default.aspx?id=612Foster could very well be the starter. Who knows??? All I'm saying is not to have blind faith in what Len Pasquarelli reports. Everyone has an agenda.Would you believe it if you saw this? Looks like the Carolina Panthers organization to me.I would believe very little of what he says. Pasquarelli has been famous for being "friends" with agents like Joel Segal and then trying to pass off information from them as Breaking News. I have no doubt that David Dunn, Foster's agent is probably the one who told Pasquarelli that Foster is the unquestioned starter. Why wouldn't he? I find it funny that in this great quote, that people keep bringing up, it is never attributed to anyone in the Carolina Panthers organization.Just my .02it's hilarious how blind people can be when they latch on to what they think is the next great thing.
1 whole post above the fluff piece about deangello losing 5lbs is this...yet nobody bats an eye...
Clean slate going into camp?
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gianmarco
Footballguy
:whoosh:
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I'm not so sure that this will be by default the way this plays out. In his 5 years in CAR, Fox's primary RB (ie the guy that started each week even though that guy has varied due to injuries) has averaged 21-22 touches a game. I outlined this in other threads. Fox has rarely had two guys get many carries in the same game. I listed off the breakdown in every game over the past 5 years in THIS THREAD.That trend may change this year, but even last year Foster seemed to get a lot more work in his starts WHEN HE WAS HEALTHY. As we all know, Foster has struggled immensely to stay on the field, so it may not matter much if he is RB1 to start the season.
Fairly sure it wasn't John Fox.
simey
Footballguy
Why did you capitalize WHEN HE WAS HEALTHY? DeShaun was healthy practically all of last season. DeAngelo missed several games due to injury last year. I think DeShaun will be the starting RB when the season kicks off, but I think both backs will get plenty of touches this year. From what I've read and heard, both backs will benefit from the new offensive coordinator's game plans.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I see a repeat of last year.
duaneok66
Footballguy
Drew Carter is running 1st team right now . . .Not updated? Then how is Jarrett listed as a #1 WR? That would seem like someone did SOME updating a little recently.NFL.com is famous for not updating their depth charts in a timely manner. In fact, that may just be assumed as a carry over into this season because Foster finished last year as the starter. The Official carolina depth charts are blank at the moment:http://www.panthers.com/Team/Default.aspx?id=612Foster could very well be the starter. Who knows??? All I'm saying is not to have blind faith in what Len Pasquarelli reports. Everyone has an agenda.Would you believe it if you saw this? Looks like the Carolina Panthers organization to me.I would believe very little of what he says. Pasquarelli has been famous for being "friends" with agents like Joel Segal and then trying to pass off information from them as Breaking News. I have no doubt that David Dunn, Foster's agent is probably the one who told Pasquarelli that Foster is the unquestioned starter. Why wouldn't he? I find it funny that in this great quote, that people keep bringing up, it is never attributed to anyone in the Carolina Panthers organization.Just my .02it's hilarious how blind people can be when they latch on to what they think is the next great thing.
1 whole post above the fluff piece about deangello losing 5lbs is this...yet nobody bats an eye...
Clean slate going into camp?
Traders2001
Footballguy
Guys i have WIlliams and could get the 5th rookie pick and probably the 18th pick also for him this season .
After reading all this i think i should pull the trigger .
It s like getting Brandon Jackson and Michael Bush for Williams .
After reading all this i think i should pull the trigger .
It s like getting Brandon Jackson and Michael Bush for Williams .
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I wouldn't do that trade.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
veryA win again ov said:
Williams value is much higher. IMO, he will perform very well this year, but really, all you should be caring about is value, and I can tell you that's a low offer. He has gone as high as 2.11 on the initial dynasty drafts that can be found here.So, you can get a lot more and even more than that if you just wait a little bit. I think this is about where his lowest value will be. The only reason to sell now is if you think Williams will fall apart during TC and Foster will look incredible in TC. Both are unlikely to happen. If Williams doesn't climb the depth charts his value won't move that much. People will still expect a takeover early to mid-season. If he does takeover, and if he looks good in TC, his value will fly. I'd still keep him at that point, but that's just me. Either way, his value will go way up and that's when you should sell.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Because there were games when he played but wasn't 100%, and those were the ones D-Will got a lot of work.simey said:
David Yudkin
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cobalt_27
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John Fox 
Rev
Footballguy
This astounds me. DWill has a geat attitude and probably isn't raising any cain about being on the 2nd team (last year he was giddy to be returning kicks as his primary duty), but I just can't imagine that these 2 being anything less than a committee this year. Williams is just too talented, for spot/backup work. Maybe he needs to be more of a turd about Foster starting and force the issue!
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David Yudkin
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Keith Lewis
Footballguy
D. Will and Foster are equals, neither is special.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Benson?
gregjcross
Footballguy
I had high hopes for Foster last year, thinking health is more his bad luck than due to him being fragile. I still have him as a back up. Deangelo Williams has really been overrated too, but CAR will likely give him every opportunity to take the job and make Foster complementary where he can excel. Let's see how it plays out, I think that if CAR bounces back with their Oline, somebody will be holding a producer as they do truly wish to control clock and have a tight to the vest offense.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Yeah they're equal except one is getting drafted 5 rounds later than the other.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
I agree, Foster represents some value where Williams represents disappointment. Those college highlights don't equate to fantasy points.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
there is a tendency for people (i include myself... i'm a people, too 
) to believe what they want to believe...
many have said, williams is so talented, fox can't help but notice the talent disparity, he will be starting in '07...
but fox is known to be loyal to vets... to a fault. he clung to davis a few years ago when it was clear to most that his skills had seriously deteriorated.
it may be his undoing... i like fox a lot & have a lot of respect him, & hope the panthers do better this season than last, but he could be on the hot seat. the team had trouble passing last year, & if they can't run better to set up the pass, than they may not have a lot going for them on offense, & even with a potentially good defense, be closer to 8-8 than 10-6 & playoff bound.
IF williams is in the mix, & separates with his on-field performance, maybe he will have a chance to earn a greater percentage of the carries as the season progresses...
) to believe what they want to believe...many have said, williams is so talented, fox can't help but notice the talent disparity, he will be starting in '07...
but fox is known to be loyal to vets... to a fault. he clung to davis a few years ago when it was clear to most that his skills had seriously deteriorated.
it may be his undoing... i like fox a lot & have a lot of respect him, & hope the panthers do better this season than last, but he could be on the hot seat. the team had trouble passing last year, & if they can't run better to set up the pass, than they may not have a lot going for them on offense, & even with a potentially good defense, be closer to 8-8 than 10-6 & playoff bound.
IF williams is in the mix, & separates with his on-field performance, maybe he will have a chance to earn a greater percentage of the carries as the season progresses...
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plastik
Footballguy
Here are a few pertinent links that I found today. There is some commentary on the RB situation as its unfolding in practice and a "projected depth chart".
http://blogs.gastongazette.com/SteveReed/a...s_practice.aspx
http://www.charlotte.com/sports_breaking/story/216855.html
http://www.charlotte.com/panthers/story/215607.html
I'm pulling for DWill, but its definitely looking to be 50/50 split at best unless Foster is injured or DWill is unstoppable.
http://blogs.gastongazette.com/SteveReed/a...s_practice.aspx
http://www.charlotte.com/sports_breaking/story/216855.html
http://www.charlotte.com/panthers/story/215607.html
I'm pulling for DWill, but its definitely looking to be 50/50 split at best unless Foster is injured or DWill is unstoppable.
sholditch
Footballguy
read all those and the jury still seems to be out. Beat writer reporting Foster practicing as starter, which I assume means first team, but then you have the projected depth chart with Williams as the starter. Both are looking like bad bets right now. Also, that headline about the zone blocking scheme is a little misleading. A deeper read:
There's been a lot of talk about how the new zone-blocking scheme will benefit the offensive linemen and second-year running back DeAngelo Williams, but there's another player who could benefit just as much. Although there's been a lot of speculation that Williams will take over as the feature back, DeShaun Foster is working as the starter.
Seems to me that this says the new scheme was put in place with Williams in mind.
This is just MO, but the commitment to DeShaun almost strikes me as a commitment to mediocrity. The guy has been there for years, and their running game has been consistently mediocre with him in. Not terrible, but not great. Seems like the fanbase at least would be clamoring for anyone new to get a shot.
There's been a lot of talk about how the new zone-blocking scheme will benefit the offensive linemen and second-year running back DeAngelo Williams, but there's another player who could benefit just as much. Although there's been a lot of speculation that Williams will take over as the feature back, DeShaun Foster is working as the starter.
Seems to me that this says the new scheme was put in place with Williams in mind.
This is just MO, but the commitment to DeShaun almost strikes me as a commitment to mediocrity. The guy has been there for years, and their running game has been consistently mediocre with him in. Not terrible, but not great. Seems like the fanbase at least would be clamoring for anyone new to get a shot.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I've personally been in touch with the guy that created this depth chart and in fact it is "an artists rendition of the what the depth chart should be."The writer pretty much admitted to me that Foster is first on the depth chart and likely will be to start the season. When pressed about how he came up with D-Will in the top slot, he indicated that "in his opinion" he was "guessing" that Williams "at some point during the season" would win out. IMO, that's a far cry from Williams being the #1 RB.
As I pointed out several times this offseason. over the years Fox has not used a RBBC approach in any given game. He has been forced to use several RBs due to injury, but his primary ball carrier has seen a very steady workload and the huge majority of the time everyone else was a bit player.
I'm not saying that Foster and Williams won't split time, only that up until know Fox has not really implemented a game plan where there is RB1 and RB1A. It's mostly been RB1 = 20 carries and everyone else gets crumbs.
I have been reading that Fox's job may be on the line this season. I wonder if people are thinking that this extra pressure might cause Fox to dump Foster (uncharacteristically) who is an older more injury prone player with little upside in favor of the younger Williams who has upside potential.
Maybe this is why he is going higher in the draft than where projected.
Maybe this is why he is going higher in the draft than where projected.
smapdi
Footballguy
In a 12 team, PPR, Redraft last night, I was able to get Willams at 5.01
I am very confident that his pure talent alone will propel him above Foster. Everyone knows what Foster can do but Willams has loads more potential. He's lightning quick and the zone blocking scheme now employed by CAR should be a boost to him and his performance.
I think he will end up around a 1000 yds / 5 TDs and an additional 50 rec / 480 yds / 4 TDs
The new OC employing more screen passes is a also a very good sign for a back like Willams
I feel I will be fine having Willams as my RB2
I am very confident that his pure talent alone will propel him above Foster. Everyone knows what Foster can do but Willams has loads more potential. He's lightning quick and the zone blocking scheme now employed by CAR should be a boost to him and his performance.
I think he will end up around a 1000 yds / 5 TDs and an additional 50 rec / 480 yds / 4 TDs
The new OC employing more screen passes is a also a very good sign for a back like Willams
I feel I will be fine having Willams as my RB2
ImTheScientist
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