Player Spotlight: Eli Manning (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

2008 Player Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Eli Manning, QB, New York Giants

Player Page Link: Eli Manning Player Page

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[Blackjacks]

Is it already that time of year?

 

[Fonz31]

I think this is the year we see Eli develop into a top 10 fantasy QB. Peyton took a few years to become the fantasy stud that he is, and Eli now has a Super Bowl ring at a much earlier age. The Giants offense now has multiple player makers at every position (Burress, Toomer, Steve Smith, Shockey, Boss, Jacobs, Bradshaw and possibly Manningham as well).

3,735 passing yards 29 tds 13 ints 75 rushing yards, 1 rushing TD

 

[KellysHeroes]

Eli is going to become a great NFL QB... FF wise is a different story,

Good: Great O-Line, Good Running Game, Good WRs and Pass Cathcing TEs.

Bad: Gaint stadium is not very QB friendly, especially last in the yr.

I do believe he will be undervalued this yr.. he should be above the top 10

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Eli is going to become a great NFL QB... FF wise is a different story, Good: Great O-Line, Good Running Game, Good WRs and Pass Cathcing TEs.Bad: Gaint stadium is not very QB friendly, especially last in the yr.I do believe he will be undervalued this yr.. he should be above the top 10

why not post your projections then?

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

He has had 3 years in a row with 3200+ yards and 3 years in a row with a positive TD/INT ratio.

I believe people don't realize that b/c of his general collapses in the second half of seasons.

I will go with 3450 28/17 60 rushing 1 td

 

[Blackjacks]

I think Eli grew up alot last year and this is finally his team. I think he has alot of weapons at his disposal. I feel very comfortable in saying I think Eli will be in the top ten next year and I'll go better than that and say in the top 5. I think Shockey has something to proove, I think Burress is dominating when he wants to be, I think Boss is a great 2nd optin at tight end and I think S. Smith is very up and coming. Add in Toomer and a very talented Mario Manningham (I think he will be a star) and I could see Eli having about 3800 yards and 28 td's. That should be around a top 5 finish.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

I had a feeling that this was going to happen. People are looking too much at Eli Manning's performance in the playoffs thinking that "the light went on" or something while forgetting about the vast majority of his career which has been pretty mediocre. This is still the same player who led the NFL in interceptions last season with 20 and has a pretty bad career completion percentage of 54.7%

The only time that Eli Manning has been a better than mediocre starting quarterback in fantasy was in 2005 when the Giants were 3rd in the NFL in scoring. Any other time they've been middle of the road and so has he. I don't see the Giants as having that great of an offense so I see no reason to expect anything different than what I've seen the past 2 seasons which is mediocrity.

3400 passing yards 23TD 19INT= not what I'm looking for in a starting fantasy quarterback.

 

[Jon_Moore]

I had a feeling that this was going to happen. People are looking too much at Eli Manning's performance in the playoffs thinking that "the light went on" or something while forgetting about the vast majority of his career which has been pretty mediocre. This is still the same player who led the NFL in interceptions last season with 20 and has a pretty bad career completion percentage of 54.7%The only time that Eli Manning has been a better than mediocre starting quarterback in fantasy was in 2005 when the Giants were 3rd in the NFL in scoring. Any other time they've been middle of the road and so has he. I don't see the Giants as having that great of an offense so I see no reason to expect anything different than what I've seen the past 2 seasons which is mediocrity.3400 passing yards 23TD 19INT= not what I'm looking for in a starting fantasy quarterback.

Once upon a time, Carson Palmer had 18 interceptions, yet for some crazy reason people thought a light went on.There's considerably more pressure in the playoffs...and on the road. Eli was able to overcome that against some excellent defenses. Over his last 5 games, the Pats 2x, Eli went for 10 tds and 2 ints. Consider 4/5 were on the road, all were solid to very good defenses, the numbers extrapolate to 32 tds and 7 ints. 3800 yards27 tds15 Ints29 carries, 75 yards, 2 tds, 3 lost fumbles

 

[The Man with the Plan]

I had a feeling that this was going to happen. People are looking too much at Eli Manning's performance in the playoffs thinking that "the light went on" or something while forgetting about the vast majority of his career which has been pretty mediocre. This is still the same player who led the NFL in interceptions last season with 20 and has a pretty bad career completion percentage of 54.7%

The only time that Eli Manning has been a better than mediocre starting quarterback in fantasy was in 2005 when the Giants were 3rd in the NFL in scoring. Any other time they've been middle of the road and so has he. I don't see the Giants as having that great of an offense so I see no reason to expect anything different than what I've seen the past 2 seasons which is mediocrity.

3400 passing yards 23TD 19INT= not what I'm looking for in a starting fantasy quarterback.

Once upon a time, Carson Palmer had 18 interceptions, yet for some crazy reason people thought a light went on.

There's considerably more pressure in the playoffs...and on the road. Eli was able to overcome that against some excellent defenses.

Over his last 5 games, the Pats 2x, Eli went for 10 tds and 2 ints. Consider 4/5 were on the road, all were solid to very good defenses, the numbers extrapolate to 32 tds and 7 ints.

3800 yards

27 tds

15 Ints

29 carries, 75 yards, 2 tds, 3 lost fumbles

I don't think their situations are the same. Carson Palmer was in his first season as a starter, struggled early, and got better before getting hurt. However you could see from early on that he was a good quarterback. Eli Manning has been a mediocre quarterback his entire career with the exception of the 2007 playoffs.I suppose it's possible that after 3 1/2 seasons as a starting quarterback that Eli Manning will finally fix his flaws(low accuracy, too many interceptions) but I still have my doubts. Playoffs or no playoffs I don't think 4-5 games should make up people forget about the other 50+ games of his career.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Eli is going to become a great NFL QB... FF wise is a different story, Good: Great O-Line, Good Running Game, Good WRs and Pass Cathcing TEs.Bad: Gaint stadium is not very QB friendly, especially last in the yr.I do believe he will be undervalued this yr.. he should be above the top 10

why not post your projections then?

Fine.. around 3600 / 25 TDs / 15 INTs

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

308-541 3408 yards 24/18

27-27-0

Borderline top 10 for me. I could see moving him up to 7, at the top of his tier since he does have top 3 upside if that "light" did turn on.

 

[Colts Win]

I think he will be efficient but never put up monster numbers.

3500 25-10

 

[Jason Wood]

Anyone care to guess where Manning ranks among current NFL passers in:

*** Passer rating?

*** Yards per attempt?

*** Completion rate?

*** Interception rate?

*** TD rate?

The truth is, statistically, he's not a very good passer. But that doesn't NECESSARILY mean he can't get better. Last year his completion percentage regressed and there's very little to point that he'll ever be a high completion guy. But playing in New York is part of that equation.

The good news is he has arguably the best WR corps of his career, his offensive line (which was a big ??? this time last year) is solid and returns intact, and clearly he's a "gamer" and doesn't lack in confidence.

The other thing people forget is that Manning throws the ball, A LOT. In his three seasons as a full-time starter, Manning's 1,608 passing attempts rank 4th among NFL QBs.

His fantasy relevance has, to date, been the result of being a compiler. But the good news is fantasy football doesn't discriminate against compilers. If you're on the field and putting up stats, it all counts.

But what it DOES call into question is whether he's displayed the skill set to deliver a truly monstrous fantasy season sometime soon. History tells us Manning probably isn't going to morph into a 65% passer ever, but he's certainly capable of a season or two with 60% completions. In a year where he stays healthy and has an anomalous 60%+ completion year; he could deliver top 6-8 fantasy numbers.

The other thing to consider is, given his build, the offensive line and the scheme; he has a fairly high downside.

To my mind, Manning is an awesome fantasy QB2 option this year, but I wouldn't blink twice if someone wants to reach for him as their starter.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

To my mind, Manning is an awesome fantasy QB2 option this year, but I wouldn't blink twice if someone wants to reach for him as their starter.

These are basically my feelings as well. Should be an excellent part of a QBBC, with enough leeway to be a team's #1 outright, but I don't know that I'd want him as my clear-cut, must start every week at present. If someone else wants him as their ace, rock on.3400ish yards w/24 TDs and 18-20 picks. Pedestrian rushing yards, but maybe pokes in a couple TDs.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Anyone care to guess where Manning ranks among current NFL passers in:*** Passer rating?*** Yards per attempt?*** Completion rate?*** Interception rate?*** TD rate?The truth is, statistically, he's not a very good passer. But that doesn't NECESSARILY mean he can't get better. Last year his completion percentage regressed and there's very little to point that he'll ever be a high completion guy. But playing in New York is part of that equation.

Has any NYG or NYJ QB put up great #s... that Staduim is terrible to pass in later in the season.

 

[Jason Wood]

Anyone care to guess where Manning ranks among current NFL passers in:*** Passer rating?*** Yards per attempt?*** Completion rate?*** Interception rate?*** TD rate?The truth is, statistically, he's not a very good passer. But that doesn't NECESSARILY mean he can't get better. Last year his completion percentage regressed and there's very little to point that he'll ever be a high completion guy. But playing in New York is part of that equation.

Has any NYG or NYJ QB put up great #s... that Stadium is terrible to pass in later in the season.

Stadium conditions are, indeed, a factor. But we don't get to adjust fantasy points by stadium variance.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Ah, the Eli Manning lovefest begins. Unfortunately, he's just not that good of a QB.

Regular season averages in 2007:

209 yds per game

1.4 TDs per game

1.3 INTs per game

Postseason averages in 2007:

214 yds per game

1.5 TDs per game

0.3 INTs per game

2005-2007 averages:

214 yds per game

1.5 TDs per game

1.1 INTs per game

(side note: Eli, as noted elsewhere in this thread, has regressed statistically since 2005)

Projection for 2008:

3,300 yds

24 TDs

18 INTs

 

[Koya]

SUPER BOWL CHAMPION, Eli Manning.

Sorry, still can't resist.

 

[Blackjacks]

I believe Eli is one of four qb's to have atleast 3300 yards and atleast 22td's or more td passes each year for the last 3 years. Say what you want but you know what your getting with him. He might not ever be an elite qb (I think he will) but he is reliable at the end of the year. For anyone that thinks he regressed last year cause he went from the #10 qb the year before to the #14 keep these facts in mind.

1) He scored more ponts last year (6 more points actually)

2) He played through an injury that was suppose to sideline him a few weeks.

3) He had a better completition % last year than 2 years ago when he was in the top 5 and only one less td

4) Much better options at the wr position. Very fair to say his best arsenial in his young career.

I will be very surprised if Eli doesn't jump up in the top 5 like I stated earlier but a consistent top ten guy isn't awful.

 

[radballs]

3,500 passing, 21 TD, 17 INT, 32 rushes for 80 yards and 1 TD

 

[AnonymousBob]

Over the past three years he's thrown 17, 18 and 20 interceptions. If he could cut down on those he'd be a much better fantasy option but I still don't see him doing much more than cracking the top 10.

 

[T Bell]

The key to Manning is Plax. If Plax is healthy, I like Manning to put up numbers north of 25 TD's and 3500 yards. If not, then he reverts back to his still-good-but-not-great numbers of the past several years.

 

[jurb26]

I'll go out on a limb ans say the next great QB-WR combo will be Manning-Manningham. Maybe not this year, but eventually. I think Manning has a very bright future and he has been placed in a great situation with weapons around him.

312 completions, 520 attempts, 3540 yds, 26 TDs, 16 Ints

20 carries, 60 yds, 1 TD

 

[Tau837]

Peyton took a few years to become the fantasy stud that he is

This is incorrect. Peyton was QB9 as a rookie, and QB3 in both his second and third seasons. His first year (QB9) and fourth year (QB5) are the only two times in his 10 year career that he wasn't in the top 3.It really isn't helpful to compare Eli to Peyton.

 

[Blackjacks]

Peyton took a few years to become the fantasy stud that he is

This is incorrect. Peyton was QB9 as a rookie, and QB3 in both his second and third seasons. His first year (QB9) and fourth year (QB5) are the only two times in his 10 year career that he wasn't in the top 3.It really isn't helpful to compare Eli to Peyton.

I hate it when people try to say Eli is a bust cause he isn't Peyton.....not many qbs are like Peyton. Peyton will go down as one of the top 5 qbs of all time probably. Let's stop comparing them. In three years Eli has gone to the probowl, the playoffs three straight years and has won a superbowl. I think the guy is doing okay for himself.

 

[Jason Wood]

Peyton took a few years to become the fantasy stud that he is

This is incorrect. Peyton was QB9 as a rookie, and QB3 in both his second and third seasons. His first year (QB9) and fourth year (QB5) are the only two times in his 10 year career that he wasn't in the top 3.It really isn't helpful to compare Eli to Peyton.

I hate it when people try to say Eli is a bust cause he isn't Peyton.....not many qbs are like Peyton. Peyton will go down as one of the top 5 qbs of all time probably. Let's stop comparing them. In three years Eli has gone to the probowl, the playoffs three straight years and has won a superbowl. I think the guy is doing okay for himself.

I agree completely. But unlike his brother, Eli's value as an NFL QB doesn't translate to fantasy; because he's a mediocre statistical guy. If this were a thread debating whether Eli Manning is a top-10 NFL QB; I would argue tooth and nail that of course he is...but he's a fringe fantasy QB1, at best, and that's only b/c he's been durable and takes more attempts than most of his contemporaries.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Eli is great Value, Try to land him as a high #2 or a QBBC... it will pay off mid season.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

People are going to draft him much higher than he should go based on remembering the Super Bowl run. I agree that he is a strong fantasy QB2, but will expect him to go higher than I'd feel comfortable taking him. He seems to have settled in, stats-wise.

300/525 for 3325 yards with 24 TDs and 18 INTs. Negligible rushing (50 yards and .5 TDs).

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Eli is great Value, Try to land him as a high #2 or a QBBC... it will pay off mid season.

There is no reliable ADP data available yet for redraft leagues, but players coming off of high profile postseason success are generally not undervalued. Quite the opposite, in my experience.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Eli is great Value, Try to land him as a high #2 or a QBBC... it will pay off mid season.

There is no reliable ADP data available yet for redraft leagues, but players coming off of high profile postseason success are generally not undervalued. Quite the opposite, in my experience.

My 16 Team Start up this yr... I took Eli w/ the 94th pick in the draft. I think it was great value.1.06 6. Dinner for Wolves Brady, Tom NEP QB Sun May 11 10:27:42 a.m. ET 2008

1.08 8. Cold Canadian Beer Manning, Peyton IND QB Tue May 13 11:38:35 a.m. ET 2008

2.13 29. Your Mom Romo, Tony DAL QB Thu May 15 2:32:37 p.m. ET 2008

2.15 31. Redcliff Maple Leafs Brees, Drew NOS QB Thu May 15 3:45:39 p.m. ET 2008

3.03 35. Little Big Head Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB Thu May 15 5:52:30 p.m. ET 2008

3.13 45. Project Mayhem Palmer, Carson CIN QB Fri May 16 7:47:48 a.m. ET 2008

3.15 47. Hollywood Anderson, Derek CLE QB Fri May 16 2:59:34 p.m. ET 2008

4.15 63. Knuckleheads Cutler, Jay DEN QB Fri May 16 5:31:45 p.m. ET 2008

6.04 84. Carthaginians Hasselbeck, Matt SEA QB Sun May 18 1:28:07 p.m. ET 2008

6.14 94. Lord Humungus and the Dogs of War Manning, Eli NYG QB Sun May 18 7:52:39 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

7.03 99. scoobydoo McNabb, Donovan PHI QB Sun May 18 9:33:27 p.m. ET 2008

7.04 100. To be determined Garrard, David JAC QB Sun May 18 10:09:02 p.m. ET 2008

7.10 106. Canton Legends Schaub, Matt HOU QB Sun May 18 11:07:30 p.m. ET 2008

8.03 115. SnakeInTheGrass Bulger, Marc STL QB Mon May 19 11:01:36 a.m. ET 2008

8.08 120. Cold Canadian Beer Leinart, Matt ARI QB Mon May 19 11:49:58 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

8.10 122. Sparkling Wiggles Kitna, Jon DET QB Mon May 19 12:20:40 p.m. ET 2008

9.09 137. Lord Humungus and the Dogs of War Rivers, Philip SDC QB Mon May 19 9:49:19 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

9.16 144. To be determined Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB Tue May 20 12:18:52 a.m. ET 2008

10.08 152. Little Big Head Young, Vince TEN QB Tue May 20 9:34:37 a.m. ET 2008

10.10 154. Sparkling Wiggles Russell, JaMarcus OAK QB Tue May 20 9:46:43 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

10.11 155. Dinner for Wolves Ryan, Matt ATL QB ® Tue May 20 9:52:01 a.m. ET 2008

11.05 165. Canton Legends Campbell, Jason WAS QB Tue May 20 8:25:15 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

 

[Coeur de Lion]

A.) Dynasty is a whole different ball of string. The long shelf life of a young QB makes such players significantly more attractive. Nice pick there, no doubt (after Anderson and Hasselbeck!?!?!?).

B.) He was the 10th QB taken in that draft. He went as a QB1 -- that would be pretty poor value in redraft, IMO.

 

[Byron_nyc]

The light is ON! Kids' a former #1 draft pick, plays with a great O-line, good RBs, and good young receivers. If you can get him late in the draft, with one (or even two) other high-upside low-ADP QBS, you could win your league if he plays like he did the last five games of 2007 -- 10 TDs, 2 picks, 220/yards per game.

340 completions, 530 attempts, 3700 yds, 26 TDs, 13 Ints

 

[AnonymousBob]

The light is ON! Kids' a former #1 draft pick, plays with a great O-line, good RBs, and good young receivers. If you can get him late in the draft, with one (or even two) other high-upside low-ADP QBS, you could win your league if he plays like he did the last five games of 2007 -- 10 TDs, 2 picks, 220/yards per game. 340 completions, 530 attempts, 3700 yds, 26 TDs, 13 Ints

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, the guy has thrown 17, 18 and 20 interceptions. Why is he suddenly going to stop throwing interceptions? 13 seems a bit low for a guy who averages 18+ a season. He threw 9 intereceptions in 9 games his rookie season and his average has gone up every year thereafter.

 

[Byron_nyc]

The light is ON! Kids' a former #1 draft pick, plays with a great O-line, good RBs, and good young receivers. If you can get him late in the draft, with one (or even two) other high-upside low-ADP QBS, you could win your league if he plays like he did the last five games of 2007 -- 10 TDs, 2 picks, 220/yards per game. 340 completions, 530 attempts, 3700 yds, 26 TDs, 13 Ints

Why is he suddenly going to stop throwing interceptions?

Seems to me he learned something after tossing four to Minnesotta... he stopped forcing the ball - except when he absolutely had to, say, in that great play in the Superbowl. I really think that Manning turned a corner, and started to see the game differently. That's what he, the coaches, Petyon say.... I also think he's going to have more open receivers because they have good young WRs up there in Smith and Manningham. We might see the Eli of old, but we might see a Peyton/Carson Palmer type year that shows why he was #1 QB in the draft. The numbers I quotes are the best case -- like I wrote, he's a risk, but I like taking, say Eli and Delhomme, and/or Matt Shaub, in late rounds. I think that could be a great strategy this year.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I haven't read any responses yet, but Eli's usually overvalued every year. I then usually write about this every year, too, in my Rearview QB analysis.

In 2007, I wrote:

Jay Cutler, Eli Manning and Alex Smith benefited from soft schedules and few or no partial games. A look at their FP/G or just FP would overstate how well each played last season.

Using the old FBG scoring system, in the 2006 season, Manning ranked 11th in raw fantasy points. If you adjusted all QBs for actual percentage of games played (that is, counting them as playing half a game when they played half a game, etc., and minimum 8 adjusted games), Manning ranked 20th in FP/adjG. Eli also had an easy schedule -- after taking that into account, he ranked just 24th in what I would call true value.Those things led me to argue that Eli was overrated based on lofty numbers compiled due to an injury free season and an easy schedule, not ability.

Well, the year before that -- the 2006 off-season -- I wrote something similar. In '05, Manning had what many thought was an awesome season, and Favre what many thought a terrible season. (Manning ranked 4th in FP, and Favre had his 29 INT year). But my analysis showed Favre was actually the better fantasy player in '05, and thus, should at least preliminarily, be ranked ahead of Manning for '06:

I can pretty much guarantee you that this is the only chart you'll see that shows that Brett Favre was a better fantasy player than Eli Manning last year. But that's a good thing, and you can use it to your advantage. As we saw above, Eli played one of the league's easiest schedules last year, while Favre played one of the hardest. While Manning ranked 4th in total FPs and Favre ranked 13th, we would expect that given their strength of schedules, if the QBs were perfectly equal in ability.

As it turned out, Favre outscored Manning in '06. I was really down on Manning entering '06, because his '05 numbers were inflated (again) because of his games played and SOS. Eli ranked 4th in raw fantasy points, but just 10th in FP/adjG. And if you factored in SOS, he dropped to 11th. So after the '05 and '06 regular seasons -- where Manning almost never missed a snap and had easier than average schedules -- I was really down on Manning as a fantasy player for the next year. It turned out, he was overvalued by the masses both years.

I assumed I'd write another paragraph about why Eli was overvalued this season, but something funny happened last year. Manning missed some time last year in games last year, and he he had a league average schedule. If you don't include Brian Griese, Chad Pennington or Sage Rosenfels, Eli ranked 15th last year. In raw FP, Eli ranked 14th last year. So really, for the first time in awhile, Eli isn't overrated based on his raw Year N-1 fantasy numbers.

Although he'll probably be overrated based on his post-season performance. But each of the last three years, Eli's been a very average fantasy performer. After you adjust for games played and SOS, he is always right around the league average.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Eli Manning has been a mediocre quarterback his entire career with the exception of the 2007 playoffs.

Yes, if by mediocre, you mean below average and not average.Eli has averaged 3.54, 5.81, 5.12 and 5.04 adjusted yards per attempt each season of his career. The league averages in those seasons were 6.07, 5.79, 5.82, and 5.86. The one year Manning even slightly bested the league average, he also had a very easy schedule. Manning has been an average or worse passer every season of his career. He wasn't even close to being an average passer each of the past two seasons. He's thrown 38 INTs the past two years, which quite obviously, is awful.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Has any NYG or NYJ QB put up great #s... that Staduim is terrible to pass in later in the season.

Chad Pennington led the NFL in QB rating one season, and Vinny Testaverde was the best passer in the AFC in 1998.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I believe Eli is one of four qb's to have atleast 3300 yards and atleast 22td's or more td passes each year for the last 3 years. Say what you want but you know what your getting with him. He might not ever be an elite qb (I think he will) but he is reliable at the end of the year. For anyone that thinks he regressed last year cause he went from the #10 qb the year before to the #14 keep these facts in mind.1) He scored more ponts last year (6 more points actually)2) He played through an injury that was suppose to sideline him a few weeks.3) He had a better completition % last year than 2 years ago when he was in the top 5 and only one less td4) Much better options at the wr position. Very fair to say his best arsenial in his young career.I will be very surprised if Eli doesn't jump up in the top 5 like I stated earlier but a consistent top ten guy isn't awful.

Eli is only a top ten QB if he doesn't miss any games due to injury.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Peyton took a few years to become the fantasy stud that he is

This is incorrect. Peyton was QB9 as a rookie, and QB3 in both his second and third seasons. His first year (QB9) and fourth year (QB5) are the only two times in his 10 year career that he wasn't in the top 3.It really isn't helpful to compare Eli to Peyton.

I hate it when people try to say Eli is a bust cause he isn't Peyton.....not many qbs are like Peyton. Peyton will go down as one of the top 5 qbs of all time probably. Let's stop comparing them. In three years Eli has gone to the probowl, the playoffs three straight years and has won a superbowl. I think the guy is doing okay for himself.

The 2006 NYG team was one of the worst playoff teams of all time. Manning deserves about as much credit for taking that team to the playoffs as Jimmy Smith does for winning two Super Bowls.

 

[Chase Stuart]

If this were a thread debating whether Eli Manning is a top-10 NFL QB; I would argue tooth and nail that of course he is...

, GB.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Eli seems to have a bit of Jim Plunkett in him.

After being an underachiever most of his career as a former #1 pick, Plunkett had a mediocre season in 1980 throwing 16 INTs in 13 games. He had a QB rating of 72.9. He turned it on in the playoffs, and had a 92.6 QB rating as part of a great post-season. He went back to stinking for the next few seasons.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Has any NYG or NYJ QB put up great #s... that Staduim is terrible to pass in later in the season.

Chad Pennington led the NFL in QB rating one season, and Vinny Testaverde was the best passer in the AFC in 1998.

Chase.. ur better than that... I'm a Jets Fan. Chad lead w/ a great passer rating due to his dings and dumps.When I said "Great #s"... I mean great FF #s.

What was the best NY FF QB season?

 

[mozzy84]

Eli is great Value, Try to land him as a high #2 or a QBBC... it will pay off mid season.

There is no reliable ADP data available yet for redraft leagues, but players coming off of high profile postseason success are generally not undervalued. Quite the opposite, in my experience.

I agree, he will go to early for me I am betting and he will be someones #1 qb, not mine....3100, 23 tds, 16 ints

 

[bcr8f]

I think this is the year we see Eli develop into a top 10 fantasy QB. Peyton took a few years to become the fantasy stud that he is, and Eli now has a Super Bowl ring at a much earlier age. The Giants offense now has multiple player makers at every position (Burress, Toomer, Steve Smith, Shockey, Boss, Jacobs, Bradshaw and possibly Manningham as well).3,735 passing yards 29 tds 13 ints 75 rushing yards, 1 rushing TD

Eli will never be Peyton.

 

[Blackjacks]

I believe Eli is one of four qb's to have atleast 3300 yards and atleast 22td's or more td passes each year for the last 3 years. Say what you want but you know what your getting with him. He might not ever be an elite qb (I think he will) but he is reliable at the end of the year. For anyone that thinks he regressed last year cause he went from the #10 qb the year before to the #14 keep these facts in mind.1) He scored more ponts last year (6 more points actually)2) He played through an injury that was suppose to sideline him a few weeks.3) He had a better completition % last year than 2 years ago when he was in the top 5 and only one less td4) Much better options at the wr position. Very fair to say his best arsenial in his young career.I will be very surprised if Eli doesn't jump up in the top 5 like I stated earlier but a consistent top ten guy isn't awful.

Eli is only a top ten QB if he doesn't miss any games due to injury.

Since he hasn't missed a game in three years as a starter I guess your saying he's a top ten qb going into the year right?

 

[Blackjacks]

Peyton took a few years to become the fantasy stud that he is

This is incorrect. Peyton was QB9 as a rookie, and QB3 in both his second and third seasons. His first year (QB9) and fourth year (QB5) are the only two times in his 10 year career that he wasn't in the top 3.It really isn't helpful to compare Eli to Peyton.

I hate it when people try to say Eli is a bust cause he isn't Peyton.....not many qbs are like Peyton. Peyton will go down as one of the top 5 qbs of all time probably. Let's stop comparing them. In three years Eli has gone to the probowl, the playoffs three straight years and has won a superbowl. I think the guy is doing okay for himself.

The 2006 NYG team was one of the worst playoff teams of all time. Manning deserves about as much credit for taking that team to the playoffs as Jimmy Smith does for winning two Super Bowls.

He threw for 3700 + yards and 24 td's that year. I'd say that's alittle more than Jimmy Smith did in Dallas.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I believe Eli is one of four qb's to have atleast 3300 yards and atleast 22td's or more td passes each year for the last 3 years. Say what you want but you know what your getting with him. He might not ever be an elite qb (I think he will) but he is reliable at the end of the year. For anyone that thinks he regressed last year cause he went from the #10 qb the year before to the #14 keep these facts in mind.1) He scored more ponts last year (6 more points actually)2) He played through an injury that was suppose to sideline him a few weeks.3) He had a better completition % last year than 2 years ago when he was in the top 5 and only one less td4) Much better options at the wr position. Very fair to say his best arsenial in his young career.I will be very surprised if Eli doesn't jump up in the top 5 like I stated earlier but a consistent top ten guy isn't awful.

Eli is only a top ten QB if he doesn't miss any games due to injury.

Since he hasn't missed a game in three years as a starter I guess your saying he's a top ten qb going into the year right?

It's nice that Eli hasn't missed a game in three years, but that doesn't mean he'll do it again.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Peyton took a few years to become the fantasy stud that he is

This is incorrect. Peyton was QB9 as a rookie, and QB3 in both his second and third seasons. His first year (QB9) and fourth year (QB5) are the only two times in his 10 year career that he wasn't in the top 3.It really isn't helpful to compare Eli to Peyton.

I hate it when people try to say Eli is a bust cause he isn't Peyton.....not many qbs are like Peyton. Peyton will go down as one of the top 5 qbs of all time probably. Let's stop comparing them. In three years Eli has gone to the probowl, the playoffs three straight years and has won a superbowl. I think the guy is doing okay for himself.

The 2006 NYG team was one of the worst playoff teams of all time. Manning deserves about as much credit for taking that team to the playoffs as Jimmy Smith does for winning two Super Bowls.

He threw for 3700 + yards and 24 td's that year. I'd say that's alittle more than Jimmy Smith did in Dallas.

Manning did a lot, but the Giants didn't deserve to make the playoffs. He shouldn't get credit for being in the worst conference in the history of the NFL.

 

[Blackjacks]

Peyton took a few years to become the fantasy stud that he is

This is incorrect. Peyton was QB9 as a rookie, and QB3 in both his second and third seasons. His first year (QB9) and fourth year (QB5) are the only two times in his 10 year career that he wasn't in the top 3.It really isn't helpful to compare Eli to Peyton.

I hate it when people try to say Eli is a bust cause he isn't Peyton.....not many qbs are like Peyton. Peyton will go down as one of the top 5 qbs of all time probably. Let's stop comparing them. In three years Eli has gone to the probowl, the playoffs three straight years and has won a superbowl. I think the guy is doing okay for himself.

The 2006 NYG team was one of the worst playoff teams of all time. Manning deserves about as much credit for taking that team to the playoffs as Jimmy Smith does for winning two Super Bowls.

He threw for 3700 + yards and 24 td's that year. I'd say that's alittle more than Jimmy Smith did in Dallas.

Manning did a lot, but the Giants didn't deserve to make the playoffs. He shouldn't get credit for being in the worst conference in the history of the NFL.

11-5 is good in the NFL no matter who you are playing against. They finished 3rd in the NFL in points and allowed the 14th most points on D...not bad.Plus that conference had 3 teams better tahn .500 (NYG 11-5, Wash 10-6 and Dallas 9-7) the worst team was Philly that year with the Owens fiasco coming off a superbowl appearance finishing 6-10. I didn't like the G-Men alot either but after doing alittle research I think your being alittle rough on them.