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Player Spotlight: Knowshon Moreno (1 Viewer)

Denver seems to have depth at RB. I'm not sold on Moreno has a star NFL caliber player. That offense is depleted and is going to struggle. The Denver D is suspect and could lead to Denver having to pass from behind in the 2nd half of games. No Marshall and no Cutler means Royal and Moreno will be the playmakers and I'm just not sold on that.225 carries 790 yards rushing 205 receiving 6 TDs
3.5 yards per carry?
Yes, loss of Shanny and his staff, Cutler, and Marshall will severely impact the effectiveness of the running game.
Marshall hasn't gone anywhere yet and it doesn't look like he will be moving on this year. As far as Shanahan's staff leaving, OL coach Rick Dennison will be back and RB coach Bobby Turner returns as well. McDaniels has stated the offense will still run some of the same zone blocking schemes used under Shanahan. Add to that Denver's OL, which was a very good unit last year, and I do not envision a scenario where any RB who carries the ball 225 in that offense only averages 3.5 yard per carry.
 
Denver seems to have depth at RB. I'm not sold on Moreno has a star NFL caliber player. That offense is depleted and is going to struggle. The Denver D is suspect and could lead to Denver having to pass from behind in the 2nd half of games. No Marshall and no Cutler means Royal and Moreno will be the playmakers and I'm just not sold on that.225 carries 790 yards rushing 205 receiving 6 TDs
3.5 yards per carry?
Yes, loss of Shanny and his staff, Cutler, and Marshall will severely impact the effectiveness of the running game.
Marshall hasn't gone anywhere yet and it doesn't look like he will be moving on this year. As far as Shanahan's staff leaving, OL coach Rick Dennison will be back and RB coach Bobby Turner returns as well. McDaniels has stated the offense will still run some of the same zone blocking schemes used under Shanahan. Add to that Denver's OL, which was a very good unit last year, and I do not envision a scenario where any RB who carries the ball 225 in that offense only averages 3.5 yard per carry.
:goodposting: I love how folks have already traded Marshall for Denver.
 
moreno will be successful based on one thing:

- he wants it more than the next guy.

moreno should win rookie of the year, compiling around the same stats as forte's rookie season... i dont think he will have quite as many receptions, but i see something close to 45...

250 carries should be his floor, and anywhere to 300 is his ceiling... i expect his ypc to be around 4.1, so a 1k yard season shouldnt be a problem.

 
Broncos | McDaniels has high hopes for MorenoSat, 04 Jul 2009 08:11:57 -0700KFFLBill Williamson, of ESPN.com, reports Denver Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels envisions RB Knowshon Moreno as a three-down back. Sounds like Moreno will get most of the carries
lol :rolleyes: no offense I'm always amazed when people listen to coachspeak. it means nothing. anyway having a hard time getting a read on Moreno but IMO he at least cracks 1000 with only thing stopping a big year is how much sharsies he does. I do agree that mcd will make Moreno the man more or less, but that doesn't mean 300+ carries necessarily.
 
Inspiration said:
twr said:
moreno will be successful based on one thing:- he wants it more than the next guy.
He does? How exactly do we measure how much Moreno (and every other back) "wants it"?
did the movie Meatballs come to mind for anyone else? "she wants it spaz"
 
I think Denver's defense will surprise and keep the team in a lot of games. Also, one thing to remember is that McDaniels spent a lot of time grabbing players to help on ST (David Bruton, WR Nate Swift, Darrell Reid, etc.), which should also greatly improve their field position and offer better chances to score on shorter drives.

I see Moreno being the main workhorse but LaMont Jordan, Buckhalter, and Hillis should also get action in the run game so he won't get as many carries as some people think. One place Moreno will be a factor in is the pass game and Orton's shown he's willing to dump it off and take the safe pass when it's presented to him.

224 Carries (About 14 a game) for 986 Yards (4.4 YPC, 62 a game) and 7 TD with 50 catches (3 a game) for 365 yards (23 a game) and 4 TD. That'd give him 11 total TD and a YPG number of 85 yards. Solid totals for a rookie RB in a potential 3-4 player RB crew.

 
Signed and already been mixed in with 1st team. Looks like they want him ready to play NOW.

Any updated predictions or thoughts. This gu is getting into serious mancrush territory for me. Please someone talk me off the ledge. I play primarily PPR leagues and i think this guy could haul in ROY honors with his pass blocking ability and 3 down potential.

I think his max carries will be put at or around 230-240, but receptions could put him way over the top, escpecially ith Dump-off Orton nearby.

 
Broncos | McDaniels has high hopes for MorenoSat, 04 Jul 2009 08:11:57 -0700KFFLBill Williamson, of ESPN.com, reports Denver Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels envisions RB Knowshon Moreno as a three-down back. Sounds like Moreno will get most of the carries
lol :goodposting: no offense I'm always amazed when people listen to coachspeak. it means nothing. anyway having a hard time getting a read on Moreno but IMO he at least cracks 1000 with only thing stopping a big year is how much sharsies he does. I do agree that mcd will make Moreno the man more or less, but that doesn't mean 300+ carries necessarily.
Its not the coachspeak, but the fact they drafted hm at 12. You just don't draft a RB that high unless you plan on making him your featured ball carrier. Then again, everything Josh McDaniels has done so far has looked very suspect. It would be a huge boner to take Moreno at 12 and have him splitting carries with a slew of pedestrian NFL journeymen. Perhaps, just the kind of boner McDaniels is capable of.
 
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Broncos | McDaniels has high hopes for Moreno

Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:11:57 -0700

KFFL

Bill Williamson, of ESPN.com, reports Denver Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels envisions RB Knowshon Moreno as a three-down back.

Sounds like Moreno will get most of the carries
lol :lmao: no offense I'm always amazed when people listen to coachspeak. it means nothing.

anyway having a hard time getting a read on Moreno but IMO he at least cracks 1000 with only thing stopping a big year is how much sharsies he does. I do agree that mcd will make Moreno the man more or less, but that doesn't mean 300+ carries necessarily.
Its not the coachspeak, but the fact they drafted hm at 12. You just don't draft a RB that high unless you plan on making him your featured ball carrier. Then again, everything Josh McDaniels has done so far has looked very suspect. It would be a huge boner to take Moreno at 12 and have him splitting carries with a slew of pedestrian NFL journeymen. Perhaps, just the kind of boner McDaniels is capable of.
But many rookies will start on the bench and work their way into the starting lineup....Mendenhall and Stewart were both high draft picks but still are behind the veterans or at least in a timeshare. Granted, nobody on Denver's roster has the talent of D Will, but I would say Buckhalter and Jordan are as capable as Willie Parker.

 
Broncos | McDaniels has high hopes for MorenoSat, 04 Jul 2009 08:11:57 -0700KFFLBill Williamson, of ESPN.com, reports Denver Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels envisions RB Knowshon Moreno as a three-down back. Sounds like Moreno will get most of the carries
lol :thumbup: no offense I'm always amazed when people listen to coachspeak. it means nothing. anyway having a hard time getting a read on Moreno but IMO he at least cracks 1000 with only thing stopping a big year is how much sharsies he does. I do agree that mcd will make Moreno the man more or less, but that doesn't mean 300+ carries necessarily.
Its not the coachspeak, but the fact they drafted hm at 12. You just don't draft a RB that high unless you plan on making him your featured ball carrier. Then again, everything Josh McDaniels has done so far has looked very suspect. It would be a huge boner to take Moreno at 12 and have him splitting carries with a slew of pedestrian NFL journeymen. Perhaps, just the kind of boner McDaniels is capable of.
It's funny that you say that, but isn't that EXACTLY what McDaniels did in NE? They took Maroney in the first round, then proceeded to have him split carries with NFL journeyman like Sammy Morris and the aging Kevin Faulk?That's one thing that scares me from taking Moreno in the draft. Will we be seeing a lot of Buckhalter and Jordan and then Arrington on 3rd downs??
 
Broncos | McDaniels has high hopes for MorenoSat, 04 Jul 2009 08:11:57 -0700KFFLBill Williamson, of ESPN.com, reports Denver Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels envisions RB Knowshon Moreno as a three-down back. Sounds like Moreno will get most of the carries
lol :rolleyes: no offense I'm always amazed when people listen to coachspeak. it means nothing. anyway having a hard time getting a read on Moreno but IMO he at least cracks 1000 with only thing stopping a big year is how much sharsies he does. I do agree that mcd will make Moreno the man more or less, but that doesn't mean 300+ carries necessarily.
Its not the coachspeak, but the fact they drafted hm at 12. You just don't draft a RB that high unless you plan on making him your featured ball carrier. Then again, everything Josh McDaniels has done so far has looked very suspect. It would be a huge boner to take Moreno at 12 and have him splitting carries with a slew of pedestrian NFL journeymen. Perhaps, just the kind of boner McDaniels is capable of.
It's funny that you say that, but isn't that EXACTLY what McDaniels did in NE? They took Maroney in the first round, then proceeded to have him split carries with NFL journeyman like Sammy Morris and the aging Kevin Faulk?That's one thing that scares me from taking Moreno in the draft. Will we be seeing a lot of Buckhalter and Jordan and then Arrington on 3rd downs??
I don't know how fair it is to compare Maroney's situation with Moreno's situation. When Maroney was drafted, McDaniels was the new offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. I think the way he used NE's RBs says more about making do with what he had than his overall offensive philosophy.Arrington has already been released. With roster spots resevered for Moreno, Hillis and Buckhalter, I'm not sure that Jordan has a spot on the team at the end of preseason. The release of Ryan Torain might give him some wiggle room (and Moreno's injury certainly helps), but I'm not sold.
 
Moreno has a sprained MCL, probable for the start of the season.

In early drafts he was going late 3rd/early 4th(12 team). So this guy is still at an ADP in the mid 5th, and basically hasn't played at all. Is he still getting drafted in actual drafts this early, or just mocks? I'd like to know where he went in the last day or two in your local/homer drafts. I'm not hearing any real news on Moreno(nothing to hear if he's sitting out).

 
Moreno has a sprained MCL, probable for the start of the season. In early drafts he was going late 3rd/early 4th(12 team). So this guy is still at an ADP in the mid 5th, and basically hasn't played at all. Is he still getting drafted in actual drafts this early, or just mocks? I'd like to know where he went in the last day or two in your local/homer drafts. I'm not hearing any real news on Moreno(nothing to hear if he's sitting out).
I reached for him in a recent keeper league draft - grabbing him at 3.11 - 1st rookie taken and 9th overall drafted. (The other 25 draft spots before 3.11 were consumed with keepers.) I know it was a gamble but I didn't see any more-likely stud RBs after all the keepers. 40 keepers in all so I'm not sure if this really gives you any gauge of his potential draft spot.
 
Moreno has a sprained MCL, probable for the start of the season.

In early drafts he was going late 3rd/early 4th(12 team). So this guy is still at an ADP in the mid 5th, and basically hasn't played at all. Is he still getting drafted in actual drafts this early, or just mocks? I'd like to know where he went in the last day or two in your local/homer drafts. I'm not hearing any real news on Moreno(nothing to hear if he's sitting out).
I reached for him in a recent keeper league draft - grabbing him at 3.11 - 1st rookie taken and 9th overall drafted. (The other 25 draft spots before 3.11 were consumed with keepers.) I know it was a gamble but I didn't see any more-likely stud RBs after all the keepers. 40 keepers in all so I'm not sure if this really gives you any gauge of his potential draft spot.
In a 12-team redraft leauge of mostly casual & intermediate ff'ers, I drafted Moreno in the seventh rd (on Mon night). I was surprised he lasted so long and doubt in more diehard leagues that he would... but maybe people are really shying away from him now.
 
Moreno has a sprained MCL, probable for the start of the season.

In early drafts he was going late 3rd/early 4th(12 team). So this guy is still at an ADP in the mid 5th, and basically hasn't played at all. Is he still getting drafted in actual drafts this early, or just mocks? I'd like to know where he went in the last day or two in your local/homer drafts. I'm not hearing any real news on Moreno(nothing to hear if he's sitting out).
I reached for him in a recent keeper league draft - grabbing him at 3.11 - 1st rookie taken and 9th overall drafted. (The other 25 draft spots before 3.11 were consumed with keepers.) I know it was a gamble but I didn't see any more-likely stud RBs after all the keepers. 40 keepers in all so I'm not sure if this really gives you any gauge of his potential draft spot.
In a 12-team redraft leauge of mostly casual & intermediate ff'ers, I drafted Moreno in the seventh rd (on Mon night). I was surprised he lasted so long and doubt in more diehard leagues that he would... but maybe people are really shying away from him now.
I like the idea of Moreno and think he has the potential to be had at a considerable value. Unless he somehow makes it back for a preseason game and has a big game, he just seems to have faded from memory.So, I'd think he could definitely be had in the mid 5th round of a 12-teamer, perhaps even later.

That said, my big question on him is that even IF the MCL sprain is not a concern for the start of the regular season, isn't there still a considerable risk that the Broncos, with all their RBs and with McDaniels using the Patriots style RBBC, that Moreno still is not going to get a ton of carries this year?

Hillis has run well this preseason. Lumbering Lamont Jordan has been in the mix. So even though I think Moreno could be a decent value pick, I just wonder what his real upside is.

 
Another keeper league example from last night (Aug 25):

Our league is keep up to 3 players - but just for 1 extra year.

Cost is same round draft pick that you originally selected.

12 of the top RB were keepers this year so guys like Barber, Grant, Kevin Smith were 2nd round picks.

A few rookie RB typically go pretty early in this format but I waited and got Moreno at 5.11 (actually the 46 th pick + 13 keeper slots to that point) 12 team draft.

I don't think he would have lasted much longer b/c Wells and McCoy went within the next 8 picks too.

It's so hard to predict keeper type leagues b/c the rules and format affect the draft so much.

 
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Alberta Clipper said:
Another keeper league example from last night (Aug 25):Our league is keep up to 3 players - but just for 1 extra year. Cost is same round draft pick that you originally selected.12 of the top RB were keepers this year so guys like Barber, Grant, Kevin Smith were 2nd round picks.A few rookie RB typically go pretty early in this format but I waited and got Moreno at 5.11 (actually the 46 th pick + 13 keeper slots to that point) 12 team draft.I don't think he would have lasted much longer b/c Wells and McCoy went within the next 8 picks too.It's so hard to predict keeper type leagues b/c the rules and format affect the draft so much.
nicely done
 
The first thing a coach does in the off-season is evaluate his teams performance from the year before - understand what worked well, and what needed fixing. Coaches then move to add personnel to shore up weaknesses, and to adjust for what they want to do.

What did McD do when he came in? How did he evaluate the 2008 Broncos, and what moves has he made to improve things?

Released Jeremy Bates, the Bronco playcaller.
retained Dennison and Turner, the long time OL and RB coach.
considered (and then did) bringing in a caretaker type QB (as opposed to a risk-taking gunslinger).
signed Buckhalter, Arrington, Jordan as free agents.
drafted Moreno in the first.
traded up to draft Quinn in the 2nd, a blocking TE despite having Scheffler and Graham.reading the tea leaves, I think that McD is going to try to take the air out of the ball and run...alot. They will run zone blocking, they will run power blocking, they will run win or lose. With the entire OL (and coaching staff) returning they will be successful. Moreno will be the prime beneficiary. He wasn't brought in to sit on the bench; he was brought in after the other FA backs were on board. As of right now, June 4, 2009, I expect Moreno to beat out the rest of the backs and give Denver what it has wanted for most of this decade - clarity @ the RB position.

I do not expect RBBC to the extent it has been used in other locations. I believe Moreno will be a three down back. Buckhalter will spell Moreno on the occasional 3rd down; Jordan will spell Moreno occasionally in short yardage, and Hillis will get a good number of carries and catches as well (actually, I see Hillis playing kind of an Alstott role). Moreno was McD's first draft pick of his head coaching career, and I expect McD to use Moreno to vindicate his controversial off-season moves.

When it's all said and done, I see Moreno @ 301/1311/10, with 29/263/3 in the passing game. ROY.

Disclaimer: it's early June. I haven't seen any fluff pieces in the Denver Post about Moreno since April, and I find that to be a little troubling. Risks to the above projection include Moreno not earning this role in training camp, injuries to the OL, and the dreaded rookie wall late in the season.

ETA: before anyone accuses me of inflating numbers because I'm a :mellow: , let me add that I don't have any Bronco WR getting more than 900 yards - not Marshall, not Royal. The 2009 Broncos will be very different than the 2008 Broncos.
update:I've since revised my projections for Moreno downward, due to the playcalling tendancies we have seen so far in pre-season. I no longer expect the Broncos to run as much as I previously did. McD will hold true to what he did in NE, and try to use a short passing game to control the clock. Moreso, Denver will pass more than NE did, simply because they will be behind more.

Right now I have Moreno at 257/1182/7, with 27 for 212/2 in the passing game.

I still don't have any bronco w/ over 1000 receiving yards, BTW.

 
Somehow he was available in the 9th round of my 12 team PPR. The preseason injury is getting blown way out of proportion, methinks. So um, I picked him. I think he's gonna follow the Steve Slaton career path. Start slow with a few career backups ahead of him, but it will become painfully evident that he's the best back of the bunch (um, unless John Fox ends up Denver somehow)

I think most of the 1000/7 predictions will be pretty close. He's talented and the offensive line is also very good, so even moderate usage should produce results.

 
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I just got him in a 12 team PPR league at 5.09.....after having drafted LT2, Larry Fitzgerald, Marques Colston and Reggie Bush in the first 4 rounds, I went for the rookie based on his potential. If he pans out and Bush stays healthy, I should easily contend with that core (and Palmer at QB who I got later)

 
Somehow he was available in the 9th round of my 12 team PPR. The preseason injury is getting blown way out of proportion, methinks. So um, I picked him. I think he's gonna follow the Steve Slaton career path. Start slow with a few career backups ahead of him, but it will become painfully evident that he's the best back of the bunch (um, unless John Fox ends up Denver somehow)I think most of the 1000/7 predictions will be pretty close. He's talented and the offensive line is also very good, so even moderate usage should produce results.
This is what I was wondering about. Sounds like he has fallen pretty deep in a couple of drafts. He was never on my radar at all early on, but he may have gotten down to a bargain recently. 9th round is crazy late.
 
I just got him in a 12 team PPR league at 5.09.....after having drafted LT2, Larry Fitzgerald, Marques Colston and Reggie Bush in the first 4 rounds, I went for the rookie based on his potential. If he pans out and Bush stays healthy, I should easily contend with that core (and Palmer at QB who I got later)
That's a great draft for a 12-teamer. LT2 fell to the 9th pick? Yeesh.But I agree one of the very interesting ways to go is to pair a Moreno with a RB2 like Bush that you feel like you can rely on the first month of the season before he gets hurt (again) which is right around the time that Moreno hopefully assumes control of the RB position in Denver.That would be the strategy anyways.
 
I've since revised my projections for Moreno downward, due to the playcalling tendancies we have seen so far in pre-season.
Tell us you're kidding
:lmao:
I'm not sure why he asked that, but after watching both games, I think McDaniels put Orton in a position where he was going to throw and throw often in game 2. I think he did this to help build confidence and to see just how Orton would respond to his underwhelming performance in preseason week 1. I could be wrong, of course. But I do think Denver will commit more to the run than what we have seen in preseason.
 
I just got him in a 12 team PPR league at 5.09.....after having drafted LT2, Larry Fitzgerald, Marques Colston and Reggie Bush in the first 4 rounds, I went for the rookie based on his potential. If he pans out and Bush stays healthy, I should easily contend with that core (and Palmer at QB who I got later)
12 team PPR, redraft- got him at 5.10... just after Cedric Benson, and before Leon Washington.With Brees, Moss, Barber, and McFadden- I think he will be a good 4th offense player in a league where we can start 3 & 1 of either RB or WR.
 
1,200 combined yards and 9 td's. I picked him up in my 20 team redraft at 5.1 (81st overall). The experts here at footballguys were high on him early on but this injury has soured so many. I felt he was value where I got him. We'll see though...

 
Ya, it seems like he is plummeting, but all reports are that it's minor and he'll be back soon. Not sure why such a backlash, but glad I got him as RB3 in a flex league.

 
He may be falling due to the uncertainty as to when he will receive a decent portion of the workload. He's had only a few days of practice after signing and

I think he lasted three or four carries in the preseason game he played in. Once he's healthy, he's still going to need practice time before he's really ready

to play.

 
I wonder just how much time he will need before he gets to play substanial time. As mentioned above, he had only a few days of practice before getting in the game against the niners and I thought he looked really good in obviously only a few plays. I really think they are being cautious with him because he was so amped to play and got tackled pretty awkwardly trying to do too much.

I know some people are sandbagging on here but personally I think he will be a steal 4th round and below.

 
I wonder if it's Hillis at the goalline. It looks like in short yardage he is the FB, so it could also be Lamont Jordan with those carries.

Hoping its Moreno though... :thumbup:

 
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I knows it's HUGELY LOW sample size, but Moreno looked really, really good on his 3 carries at San Fran..

 
I've since revised my projections for Moreno downward, due to the playcalling tendancies we have seen so far in pre-season.
Tell us you're kidding
:lmao:
Plays are called in the preseason with the intent of looking at players in action. Pre-season tendencies tell you absolutely nothing about how plays will be called during the season.
I'm not so sure about that. I know - it's completely different regimes, but I remember thinking about this last pre-season. The Broncos threw a lot, and ended up thowing at pretty much the same ratio once the bullets were real (i.e. highest pass ratio of the Shanahan era).Installing an offense is just as important as evaluating/seasoning talent, and I believe that is what McD is doing here.
 
Just bumping this to the top hoping for more recent news/discussion on Moreno. He wasn't really on my radar but there he was still on the board at pick 6.09 of a 12-team redraft, so I grabbed him.

Sounds like he's back practicing and could play in the final preseason game tonight. Here's hoping that by mid-late September he's on track to have a Forte- or Slaton-caliber rookie season. Seems like those guys are in a similar mold.

 
Just bumping this to the top hoping for more recent news/discussion on Moreno. He wasn't really on my radar but there he was still on the board at pick 6.09 of a 12-team redraft, so I grabbed him.

Sounds like he's back practicing and could play in the final preseason game tonight. Here's hoping that by mid-late September he's on track to have a Forte- or Slaton-caliber rookie season. Seems like those guys are in a similar mold.
I think this is a realistic expectation. I would have no problem taking him as a #2 RB right now after loading up on a couple WRs. Buckhalter and Hillis are going to get carries too but after 3 preseason (yes, I know preseason) games, the Bronco offense has showed it will throw to its backs early and often. Kyle Orton has ahistory of checking down to his RBs too. Hillis will probably get a good chunk of GL carries but Buckhalter has looked like a decent change of pace guy at best so far. Combine this with the fact Moreno was drafted at 12 and I think Moreno becomes the starter sooner than later. I seem to remembmer McDaniels mentioning that Moreno fits the mold of a 3 down back (running, blocking receiving) as well. His sample size thus far is extremely small (3 carries) but he easily looked like he had the most burst out of the Denver backs on those plays. Take this info with as much salt as you'd like but I think he is going to help a lot of teams this fall.
 
Does Moreno missing most of the preseason lowere everyones expectations?
Honestly, only for the first 2-3 games at most. Generally I still think he ends up outscoring most if not all rookie RBs and will likely end up somewhere between RB12-RB25 (I realize that's a huge range). You might drop the totals a little (5-10%), but not much, IMHO.
 
Does Moreno missing most of the preseason lowere everyones expectations?
Honestly, only for the first 2-3 games at most. Generally I still think he ends up outscoring most if not all rookie RBs and will likely end up somewhere between RB12-RB25 (I realize that's a huge range). You might drop the totals a little (5-10%), but not much, IMHO.
Hard to say. The loss of reps probably hurts him more on 2nd and 3rd downs when he might have blitz pickup responsibilities, which traditionally take more time to learn. That will reduce his receptions and receiving yardage, and any rushing yardage from those downs to the extent that the team feels it can't rely upon him in that regard. But there are so many other variables. That's a new coach with a new offense and a new QB. We don't even really know what to expect even had KM not missed any preseason workouts. :shrug:
 

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