Player Spotlight: Lamont Jordan (1 Viewer)

[zamboni]

The most common knock on Jordan's outlook is the awful Oakland defense. That is irrelevant. How good were the KC and Indy defenses when Priest Holmes and Edgerrin James had outstanding seasons? No one would say that Jordan is a Holmes or James-calibur back. But the "bad defense" knock is not a huge factor here. We know that Norv Turner wants a durable RB to feed the rock to. And he will certainly trust Jordan as his mailcarrier.

Good point about the defense angle, as I was going to mention.Even if one does ascribe some legitimacy to a bad defense hurting Jordan, for all we know the defense may not be that bad.

We've seen time and time again that defenses that look bad going into the season surprise on the upside, and vice versa.

It's still only June, and even preseason games may not be illustrative.

I'm not saying that Jordan will have a breakout year (although I think he stands a reasonable chance), but to point at the Raiders' supposedly bad defense is a bit misguided and presumptuous.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I'm not saying that Jordan will have a breakout year (although I think he stands a reasonable chance), but to point at the Raiders' supposedly bad defense is a bit misguided and presumptuous.

Oakland has serious questions at linebacker and in the secondary. I think it would be a surprise if they finished any higher than 15th in the league. That said, I don't think the Raiders would have signed Jordan to that big contract if Turner didn't intend to give him a lot of work.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

That said, I don't think the Raiders would have signed Jordan to that big contract if Turner didn't intend to give him a lot of work.

The Raiders were just impatient and panicked, which doesn't surprise me with how their team has been run for the past several years now.In a RB flooded market, where the only team bidding for Lamont was the Jets at $3 million, its hilarious at how the Raiders forked over a $26.5 million dollar contract.

The Raiders are more concerned with jersey sales than they are winning.

 

[Raider Nation]

That said, I don't think the Raiders would have signed Jordan to that big contract if Turner didn't intend to give him a lot of work.

The Raiders were just impatient and panicked, which doesn't surprise me with how their team has been run for the past several years now.In a RB flooded market, where the only team bidding for Lamont was the Jets at $3 million, its hilarious at how the Raiders forked over a $26.5 million dollar contract.

The Raiders are more concerned with jersey sales than they are winning.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

That said, I don't think the Raiders would have signed Jordan to that big contract if Turner didn't intend to give him a lot of work.

The Raiders were just impatient and panicked, which doesn't surprise me with how their team has been run for the past several years now.In a RB flooded market, where the only team bidding for Lamont was the Jets at $3 million, its hilarious at how the Raiders forked over a $26.5 million dollar contract.

The Raiders are more concerned with jersey sales than they are winning.

When thats all you got, then you know there is some truth to it.

 

[Peter]

Well the NFL IS a business...who'd would've thunk it? A company being out to turn a profit!

 

[ravnzfan]

Correct me if I'm wrong... wouldn't it stand to reason that the scores will be a lot closer and therefore they'll run a lot more?

stand correctedIF the defense continues to suck---and the general concensus is it will, as it lost a good CB and LB w/o getting much help back---then it stands to reason the offense will continue to rely on the passing game first

those projecting ~325-1100-10+ are dreaming...LaMont Jordan was brought in to help balance an offense that was last in rushing attempts---while that may not be the case again, DO NOT expect to see Steeler or Raven-like rushing from the Raiders this year

this team plays in the defensively-challanged AFC-West, where 35-31 is more likely an outcome than 19-16, an AFC-North type score

I see big things for the OAK passing game, but wouldn't expect more than:

265-1050-7

25-175-1

for LaMont Jordan

 

[BigRed]

275 carries, 1150 yards, 8 TDs

25 rec, 175 yards, 0 TDs

I more or less agree w/this. They're in great shape at the skill positions, but the OL worries me somewhat. Definite potential for more, in fact.

 

[Twisted]

Anyone want to chime in now that Turner has said he like's Crockett for goalline work?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Anyone want to chime in now that Turner has said he like's Crockett for goalline work?

I would think most people's projection at least were on the conservative side with Crockett and Moss on the team.What has changed? Crockett and Jordan were doing red zone work in TC. I don't think Turner has named one the GL back or anything.

 

[Two Deep]

Anyone want to chime in now that Turner has said he like's Crockett for goalline work?

Yeah, I wouldn't be concerned.News: Norv Turner told the Sacramento Bee that RB LaMont Jordan, who is headed for 20-plus carries per game, will only see a few carries in the first preseason game and more as the preseason continues.

 

[brednbuddah]

Anyone want to chime in now that Turner has said he like's Crockett for goalline work?

Yeah, I wouldn't be concerned.News: Norv Turner told the Sacramento Bee that RB LaMont Jordan, who is headed for 20-plus carries per game, will only see a few carries in the first preseason game and more as the preseason continues.

that doesn't translate into Crockett not getting the GL carries.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

280 carries, 1092 yds, 6 TD

i think this sleeper will stay asleep

This sound about right!! Are we forgeting who pulls the strings in Oakland? It's not Norve Turner!

{}Al Davis to himself.....should we feature Jordan or Moss?)*

 

[stugnut]

Anyone want to chime in now that Turner has said he like's Crockett for goalline work?

It's not just Turner saying it. On Sirius radio Adam Kaplan said he asked Jordan about it and Jordan more or less told him that he expected Crockett to get the goal line work. This was about a week or so ago...

 

[Routilla]

I guess Zack Crockett is the man at the goalline then. Gotta bump Jordan down a few notches.

 

[massraider]

Two things:Collins isn't a great goalline passer, and I doubt he ever will be. The Raiders line is mammoth, and I think Norv will try and maul people if he can.Also, with this offense, even with a bad defense, the Raiders will have games when they jump out to early leads. These are the games that I think Lamont will pad his yardage numbers. I'm a Raiders fan, and I'm not expecting much more than 8-8, but gee, are they going to play from behind every week?300 carries1275 yards12 TD25 receptions185 yards2 TD

 

[Raiders Fan]

280 carries, 1092 yds, 6 TD

i think this sleeper will stay asleep 

This sound about right!! Are we forgeting who pulls the strings in Oakland? It's not Norve Turner!

{}Al Davis to himself.....should we feature Jordan or Moss?)*

An obvious expert of Raider football.. Al Davis is about WINNING PERIOD. Moss was brought in to make the team better..Crockett has been the short yardage back for years. he will still be as they need to get others in. As far as goalline goes we will see. Jordan is a good back for that and proven it.. No reason to think cause Crockett was he still is.. Though I wouldn't mind a few to take some of the pounding he will take..

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Jordan is a good back for that and proven it..

What has he proven?Jordan is 5 for 21 at the GL over the last 3 years, and was 0-3 injust this past season.

Please explain what he has proven, cause I can't find anything proven about Lamont..

 

[zamboni]

Jordan is a good back for that and proven it..

What has he proven?Jordan is 5 for 21 at the GL over the last 3 years, and was 0-3 injust this past season.

Please explain what he has proven, cause I can't find anything proven about Lamont..

Norv seems to think Jordan is a good short yardage back, which is what really matters:"LaMont is a good short-yardage back," coach Norv Turner said. "But obviously Zack might be the best there is."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...SPGIHE3G8A1.DTL

This comment from last week indicates that Crockett may very well get goal line duty, but given the contract Jordan signed, I think that Lamont will be given every chance to be the all-purpose back. Time will tell how he performs.

 

[Shermanator]

Baring injury I dont see how Jordan can fail in an offense that Randy Moss is a part of. Just like in Minnesota, there were huge running lanes for the backs to plow through. (RRBC hurt all the backs value, buts thats for another thread).Jordan should see his fair share of those running lanes, and he should eat up big chunks of yardage.Oakland hasnt been a prolific running team, but I cant think of a back they recently had, that could be a prolific runner? Garner was the best back in recent years, and he was no stud by no means.If Jordan can get 250 carries, he will be a very strong #2/borderline #1275 / 1155 10 tds25 / 212 1td

 

[Raiders Fan]

Jordan is a good back for that and proven it..

What has he proven?Jordan is 5 for 21 at the GL over the last 3 years, and was 0-3 injust this past season.

Please explain what he has proven, cause I can't find anything proven about Lamont..

For a part-timer he was 1-4 last eyar and 3-8 2 years ago. Even LT is only about 35%. Jordan is right there. Still need a bigger sample..

 

[TJ2005]

The reason the Raiders moved away from the running game was two-fold.1) Yes their defense stunk which forced them to throw more than they would like to2) They didn't have the personel to run the ball 20-30 times a game.Spending over 20 million has changed that. The last time the Raiders had any kind of a running game was in 2001 and 2002. Both of those years despite have an awesome passing attack the Raiders still ran the ball well over 300 times each year with Wheatley getting 211 in 2001 and Garner getting 182 in 2002 while sharing carries with wheatley.This year the Raiders defense will still struggle, but the offense should be able to keep them in games by controlling the clock and taking smart shots down the field.Everyone is decreasing Jordan's numbers due to a poor defense, but I don't see this happening for Portis in Washington or Kevin Jones in Detroit. Jordan, despite the tough schedule will outperform both of the afore mentioned running backs.Going with an average of 4.5 yards per carry:275 carries for 1238 yards & 10 TD's30 receptions for 320 yards & 2 TD's

 

[OldMilwaukee]

You can depend on this....there is a Raider fan at your draft!!!I should know!!!

 

[Tau837]

The reason the Raiders moved away from the running game was two-fold.

1) Yes their defense stunk which forced them to throw more than they would like to

2) They didn't have the personel to run the ball 20-30 times a game.

Spending over 20 million has changed that. The last time the Raiders had any kind of a running game was in 2001 and 2002. Both of those years despite have an awesome passing attack the Raiders still ran the ball well over 300 times each year with Wheatley getting 211 in 2001 and Garner getting 182 in 2002 while sharing carries with wheatley.

This year the Raiders defense will still struggle, but the offense should be able to keep them in games by controlling the clock and taking smart shots down the field.

Everyone is decreasing Jordan's numbers due to a poor defense, but I don't see this happening for Portis in Washington or Kevin Jones in Detroit. Jordan, despite the tough schedule will outperform both of the afore mentioned running backs.

Going with an average of 4.5 yards per carry:

275 carries for 1238 yards & 10 TD's

30 receptions for 320 yards & 2 TD's

In 2001 the Oakland defense was #15 in yards allowed and #19 in points allowed. In 2002 they were #12 in yards allowed and #6 in points allowed. Last year they were #30. That may well have made the difference between 2001/2002 and last season in terms of number of carries for the RBs.Last year Oakland gave up 20 or more points in 14 of 16 games, including a 12 game stretch in which they AVERAGED giving up 31.3 ppg. In 2001 and 2002 combined, they only gave up 30 points 3 times. Huge difference.

There just aren't going to be a lot of carries available when your team is giving up 30+ every game.

 

[LawFitz]

I think you guys are really underestimating Jordan's receiving skills and their utilization in the offense. This guy has great hands and will be the recepient of a lot of dump offs and screens in this neo-Coryell offense... see Thomas Jones last year.

Assuming a full season played, I think Jordan easily catches 40+ balls. Easily.

275 carries 1265 yds 8 TD

53 receptions 425 yds 2 TD

And he breaks the elite 10 RBs this year for the first of several appearances.

 

[dpeease]

2005 L Jordan = 2004 K Barlow1050 Yards / 6 TDs

 

[Family Matters]

Today I read that Turner wants 300 carries for Jordan. Assunning he gets at least 4.5 here's what you have:300-1350. Assume conservatively 8 TD's. Then add receptions of 45-360-1. That's a decent year and still allows some upside if Turner decides to use him more.

 

[LawFitz]

2005 L Jordan = 2004 K Barlow

1050 Yards / 6 TDs

Hmmm. Barlow had a pretty sorry and beat up O-line, an inexperienced and little talented WR corps, not just one but two crappy, unhealthy QBs and a poor attitude.The Raiders have a young, but very talented O-line that is pass blocking very well already and coming along in run blocking. Gallery is already looking sick.

The Raiders have the best WR corps assembled in a while. Maybe forever if Curry gets back to what he was before last year's achilles injury.

The Raiders have not one, but two crappy QBs. As bad as they are though, they're a lot better than Rattay/Dorsey.

Plus Jordan is a MUCH better receiver than Barlow could ever dream to be.

You all are either assuming a shortened season for Ground Jordan or really underestimating this guy. Somebody in each of your leagues is going to get this guy at a really good value.

And yes, I do plan to draft him on Friday if possible.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Today I read that Turner wants 300 carries for Jordan. Assunning he gets at least 4.5 here's what you have:

300-1350. Assume conservatively 8 TD's. Then add receptions of 45-360-1. That's a decent year and still allows some upside if Turner decides to use him more.

I'm sure Turner "wants" to win every game as well. What Turner "wants" and what happens are two different things.The Raiders had 302 RB carries for their TEAM. For Jordan alone to have 300 carries they are going to have to increase their carries by about 20%. That is going to be tough with a HARD run schedule and having to play catch-up practically every single game.

How hard do you think it will be to abandon the run when you have a receiving corps like the Raiders have?

 

[LawFitz]

Today I read that Turner wants 300 carries for Jordan. Assunning he gets at least 4.5 here's what you have:

300-1350. Assume conservatively 8 TD's. Then add receptions of 45-360-1. That's a decent year and still allows some upside if Turner decides to use him more.

I'm sure Turner "wants" to win every game as well. What Turner "wants" and what happens are two different things.The Raiders had 302 RB carries for their TEAM. For Jordan alone to have 300 carries they are going to have to increase their carries by about 20%. That is going to be tough with a HARD run schedule and having to play catch-up practically every single game.

How hard do you think it will be to abandon the run when you have a receiving corps like the Raiders have?

The Raiders won't be abandoning anything. You're going to see a lot of Jordan in 1 RB/1 TE/ 3 WR sets getting leftover passes and draws. This guy won't see an 8-man front all year if this passing game becomes fully healthy and starts to click. Even if they fall behind, Jordan is their best receiver out of the backfield right now and will stay in the game on passing downs.GJ may not see more than 20 carries per game, but that'll be enough for just under 100 yds since his YPC will be so high. The guy's got enough talent to be able to exploit 6- and 7-man fronts. Add to that 2-5 catches for another 20-50 yds plus close to 1 all purpose TD per game.

Ground Jordan finishes at the tail-end of the top 10 assuming he and the rest of that offense stays healthy all season. If they go nuts, he finishes top 5.

The Raiders are putting A LOT of offensive talent on the field this year.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Today I read that Turner wants 300 carries for Jordan. Assunning he gets at least 4.5 here's what you have:

300-1350. Assume conservatively 8 TD's. Then add receptions of 45-360-1. That's a decent year and still allows some upside if Turner decides to use him more.

I'm sure Turner "wants" to win every game as well. What Turner "wants" and what happens are two different things.The Raiders had 302 RB carries for their TEAM. For Jordan alone to have 300 carries they are going to have to increase their carries by about 20%. That is going to be tough with a HARD run schedule and having to play catch-up practically every single game.

How hard do you think it will be to abandon the run when you have a receiving corps like the Raiders have?

The Raiders won't be abandoning anything. You're going to see a lot of Jordan in 1 RB/1 TE/ 3 WR sets getting leftover passes and draws. This guy won't see an 8-man front all year if this passing game becomes fully healthy and starts to click. Even if they fall behind, Jordan is their best receiver out of the backfield right now and will stay in the game on passing downs.GJ may not see more than 20 carries per game, but that'll be enough for just under 100 yds since his YPC will be so high. The guy's got enough talent to be able to exploit 6- and 7-man fronts. Add to that 2-5 catches for another 20-50 yds plus close to 1 all purpose TD per game.

Ground Jordan finishes at the tail-end of the top 10 assuming he and the rest of that offense stays healthy all season. If they go nuts, he finishes top 5.

The Raiders are putting A LOT of offensive talent on the field this year.

Never call him "Ground Jordan " again, Thanks in advance.

 

[LawFitz]

Never call him "Ground Jordan " again,

Thanks in advance.

Yeah, um, sorry, got a little carried away there.

Regardless of lame nicknames, I still think the guy's gonna be good this year. All will be revealed though in due time.

 

[puqrag]

lamont is a great talent, but i dont know if he is in the best situation.Team Attempts Yards YPCSt. Louis Rams 381 1624 4.3 Philadelphia Eagles 376 1639 4.4 Oakland Raiders 327 1295 4.0 bottom 3 teams in rush attempts from last year. i am quite sure all 3 will improve on this, but i doubt there will be a huge jump for any of these teams (philly and st. louis were 26th and 28th in 03). yes, norv turner has pumped out some big rb stats in the past, but he has never had a randy moss. just hard to see oakland not airing it out this year. not that this would be bad for jordan, but he would need to be more like a westbrook to be a good ff rb, especially with crockett in the mix. he seems like a nice receiver, but i dont think he has 80 recs in him. i have him ranked 19th, right behind cumar.260/1150/455/400/4

 

[Vicktimized]

What about Zack Crockett...can Jordan score enough TDs w/o getting the short carries?

 

[LawFitz]

What about Zack Crockett...can Jordan score enough TDs w/o getting the short carries?

Lamont: 8-10 TDsCrockett: 5-7 TDs

This includes Lamont's receiving TDs. If he plays all 16 games, I think this is very realistic.

 

[Raiders Fan]

lamont is a great talent, but i dont know if he is in the best situation.

Team Attempts Yards YPC

St. Louis Rams 381 1624 4.3

Philadelphia Eagles 376 1639 4.4

Oakland Raiders 327 1295 4.0

bottom 3 teams in rush attempts from last year. i am quite sure all 3 will improve on this, but i doubt there will be a huge jump for any of these teams (philly and st. louis were 26th and 28th in 03). yes, norv turner has pumped out some big rb stats in the past, but he has never had a randy moss. just hard to see oakland not airing it out this year.

not that this would be bad for jordan, but he would need to be more like a westbrook to be a good ff rb, especially with crockett in the mix. he seems like a nice receiver, but i dont think he has 80 recs in him. i have him ranked 19th, right behind cumar.

260/1150/4

55/400/4

Where do you get this information?? What have you seen in him to make a judgment like that?? Jordan might not have 80 rec this year but 50 is almost a guarantee. With upside for more. Have you read this thread???? Anything basing on last years numbers is totally irrelevant. Last year they had a 3 headed or maybe even 4 headed monster.. There wasn't 1 guy that could do most of the load. This year Turner HAS the back he WANTS. He was dealing with what the Raiders had last year. He scouted and went after the best back he felt for HIS system. This guy is top 10 fantasy talent and in a system that will use him galore. Pass on him.. You will regret it later. The only reason he hasn't started before is cause of Martin and the Jets didn't want to lose him.

I Bet you that if Jordan isn't injured and plays at least 14 games he will be better then the 19 RB. I see top 10 talent and in a system to do that. You can't pass wel without running.. Remember that. look at the Raiders super bowl year.. Their running game was much improved. Moss will get his but you are looking at the new Rams offense this year.

 

[zamboni]

What about Zack Crockett...can Jordan score enough TDs w/o getting the short carries?

Lamont: 8-10 TDsCrockett: 5-7 TDs

This includes Lamont's receiving TDs. If he plays all 16 games, I think this is very realistic.

I think that's a pretty high estimate for Crockett.Despite Norv's earlier comments about Crockett, my sense is that Jordan is his guy, regardless of the situation.

 

[Crazy8s]

I think an up in receptions is a must.290/1200/845/420/2

 

[Raiders Fan]

not that this would be bad for jordan, but he would need to be more like a westbrook to be a good ff rb, especially with crockett in the mix. he seems like a nice receiver, but i dont think he has 80 recs in him. i have him ranked 19th, right behind cumar.

260/1150/4

55/400/4

Do you realize your predicted production is top 10 RB?? In my league of 1/10 rushing/receiving and 6 per TD thats the 9th best RB last year. I guess you didn't realize how easy it is for him to be a top 10 RB..

 

[Tau837]

Plus Jordan is a MUCH better receiver than Barlow could ever dream to be.

You're getting a bit carried away here.Both Jordan and Barlow have been in the league 4 seasons. Barlow has played 60 games, Jordan 62. Compare their receiving stats:Jordan: 50/417/1 (8.3 ypr); never more than 17 catches or 160 yards in a seasonBarlow: 106/902/3 (8.5 ypr); 35 catches in each of last 2 seasons, scored receiving TD in 3 of 4 seasonsGranted, Barlow has had more opportunities as a receiver. Still, there is no evidence whatsoever that Jordan is a better receiver.

 

[Raiders Fan]

Plus Jordan is a MUCH better receiver than Barlow could ever dream to be.

You're getting a bit carried away here.Both Jordan and Barlow have been in the league 4 seasons. Barlow has played 60 games, Jordan 62. Compare their receiving stats:

Jordan: 50/417/1 (8.3 ypr); never more than 17 catches or 160 yards in a season

Barlow: 106/902/3 (8.5 ypr); 35 catches in each of last 2 seasons, scored receiving TD in 3 of 4 seasons

Granted, Barlow has had more opportunities as a receiver. Still, there is no evidence whatsoever that Jordan is a better receiver.

You can't compare the 2 in history.. Jordan a career backup and Barlow was a 50/50 RB for a few years and last year the starter.. Games played might be close but playing minutes FAR from close. If you are just going by pure history to predict future you are traveling with your eyes closed. I agree that we don't know for sure but man you have to like his situation.. Far better then Barlow's.

 

[Tau837]

I think you guys are really underestimating Jordan's receiving skills and their utilization in the offense. This guy has great hands and will be the recepient of a lot of dump offs and screens in this neo-Coryell offense... see Thomas Jones last year.

Assuming a full season played, I think Jordan easily catches 40+ balls. Easily.

275 carries 1265 yds 8 TD

53 receptions 425 yds 2 TD

And he breaks the elite 10 RBs this year for the first of several appearances.

I am skeptical about Jordan as a receiver this year, so I looked up Norv's history. Here are the receptions for the feature RB in Turner's offenses as HC and OC:1991 - DAL - Smith 49/258/1 (5.3 ypr)

1992 - DAL - Smith 59/335/1 (5.7 ypr)

1993 - DAL - Smith 57/414/1 (7.3 ypr)

1994 - WAS - No feature back (Ervins led with 185 carries); Ervins had 51/293/1 (5.7 ypr)

1995 - WAS - Allen 31/232/1 (7.5 ypr)

1996 - WAS - Allen 32/194/0 (6.1 ypr)

1997 - WAS - Allen 20/172/1 (8.6 ypr) in 10 games; scales to 32/275/2

1998 - WAS - Allen 17/128/0 (7.5 ypr) in 10 games; scales to 27/205/0

1999 - WAS - Davis 23/111/0 (4.8 ypr)

2000 - WAS - Davis 33/313/0 (9.5 ypr)

2001 - SD - Tomlinson 59/367/0 (6.2 ypr)

2002 - MIA - Williams 47/363/1 (7.7 ypr)

2003 - MIA - Williams 50/351/1 (7.0 ypr)

2004 - OAK - No feature back (Zereoue led with 112 carries); Zereoue had 39/284/0 (7.3 ypr)

His primary backs averaged 40.5 receptions per season at 6.7 ypr, with 8 TDs in 14 seasons. So the average has been roughly 41/272/1.

But the average is deceptive. Emmitt, Tomlinson, and Ricky Williams were all very good receiving backs under Norv, averaging 53.5 receptions and scoring 5 of those TDs in 8 seasons. His other primary backs were not particularly good receivers, averaging 30.75 receptions per season and scoring only 3 TDs in 8 seasons.

What does this mean for Jordan? Well, for one thing, none of Turner's other teams had a receiver like Moss or a passing game like Oakland is expected to have this season. In fact, of the 6 seasons identified as good for his RBs' receiving totals above, all occurred when their teams had average or below average passing games.

I see two relevant questions here that will help to project Jordan as a receiver this year.

1. Will Oakland have a good passing game independent of its RBs? I think the answer is yes, and historically on Turner's teams that doesn't lead to high receiving numbers for his feature RB.

2. Is Jordan more similar to Tomlinson, Smith, and Williams or Allen, Davis, and Turner's other lead backs? IMO there is no way to justify putting Jordan in the former class at this point, so the answer has to be he is more similar to Allen & Davis. Which again doesn't bode well as a predictor for receiving performance.

Now, if he is going to get receptions at the expense of carries, I could possibly see that. Perhaps he could get 40-50 catches to go along with 220-240 carries. That actually makes some sense given how poor Oakland's defense is. I just can't see Jordan reaching 300+ touches.

 

[Tau837]

Plus Jordan is a MUCH better receiver than Barlow could ever dream to be.

You're getting a bit carried away here.Both Jordan and Barlow have been in the league 4 seasons. Barlow has played 60 games, Jordan 62. Compare their receiving stats:

Jordan: 50/417/1 (8.3 ypr); never more than 17 catches or 160 yards in a season

Barlow: 106/902/3 (8.5 ypr); 35 catches in each of last 2 seasons, scored receiving TD in 3 of 4 seasons

Granted, Barlow has had more opportunities as a receiver. Still, there is no evidence whatsoever that Jordan is a better receiver.

You can't compare the 2 in history.. Jordan a career backup and Barlow was a 50/50 RB for a few years and last year the starter.. Games played might be close but playing minutes FAR from close. If you are just going by pure history to predict future you are traveling with your eyes closed. I agree that we don't know for sure but man you have to like his situation.. Far better then Barlow's.

I wasn't actually comparing them, I was simply pointing out that there is no evidence to support the statement that Jordan is a much better receiver than Barlow. Perhaps he can prove that this year, but that is speculative at best.

 

[Gravity]

I am still sticking to my original prediction ~1700 total yards. 10-13 total TD's.Easily top 10.I have seen and heard nothing that changes my very high opinion of the guy. He has only looked great so far, proven he's got good hands, and they are seriously discussing 300 carries.Let him slip to someone else at your own peril.

 

[Raiders Fan]

I wasn't actually comparing them, I was simply pointing out that there is no evidence to support the statement that Jordan is a much better receiver than Barlow. Perhaps he can prove that this year, but that is speculative at best.

Your posts are totally that. Looking at history trying to compare or predict Jordan's worth is impossible.. Your fighting his value based on I feel or I can't see it.. Facts are Jordan is a STARTING RB with NO platoon situation and an offense that can support him being used a TON. There have been posts stating his heavy workload yet there are many who don't see the light. Jordan is unproven for starting wise but there is a lot of talent there. This game is about value and Jordan is a value pick right now. A guy being drafted 3rd or later rounds with top 10 possibility.

 

[MJC]

There just aren't going to be a lot of carries available when your team is giving up 30+ every game.

Last season KC allowed 27.2 points per game, .4 points less per game than Oakland and they averaged 31 rushing attempts per game. Now, they may be the exception to the rule but I don't think you definitively link a teams rushing success (attempts) to how many points they allow. It would be one thing if they got behind by 30 points and had to abandon the run, but if they can keep it close and score at close to the same rate as their opposition Jordan should get his attempts.

 

[zamboni]

There just aren't going to be a lot of carries available when your team is giving up 30+ every game.

Last season KC allowed 27.2 points per game, .4 points less per game than Oakland and they averaged 31 rushing attempts per game. Now, they may be the exception to the rule but I don't think you definitively link a teams rushing success (attempts) to how many points they allow. It would be one thing if they got behind by 30 points and had to abandon the run, but if they can keep it close and score at close to the same rate as their opposition Jordan should get his attempts.

Not only that, but to assume the team will give up 30+ every game may be presumptuous. Year after year after year, defenses that look horrible on paper turn out to be much better than expected (and vice versa, of course).

 

[Tau837]

I wasn't actually comparing them, I was simply pointing out that there is no evidence to support the statement that Jordan is a much better receiver than Barlow. Perhaps he can prove that this year, but that is speculative at best.

Your posts are totally that. Looking at history trying to compare or predict Jordan's worth is impossible..

What part of "no evidence" & "speculative" do you not understand?

This game is about value and Jordan is a value pick right now. A guy being drafted 3rd or later rounds with top 10 possibility.

Where is he being drafted in the 3rd or later rounds? I agree he offers some value there, but he's going earlier.Antsports currently shows that he is going at an average spot of 2.10 as the 17th RB taken. And that is probably about where he should go IMO.

 

[Tau837]

There just aren't going to be a lot of carries available when your team is giving up 30+ every game.

Last season KC allowed 27.2 points per game, .4 points less per game than Oakland and they averaged 31 rushing attempts per game. Now, they may be the exception to the rule but I don't think you definitively link a teams rushing success (attempts) to how many points they allow. It would be one thing if they got behind by 30 points and had to abandon the run, but if they can keep it close and score at close to the same rate as their opposition Jordan should get his attempts.

You answered your own question.And even though KC gave up a lot of points, they lost only 2 games by more than 1 score. And in one of those games they were within a FG until just a few minutes remained in the 4th quarter. In the other they were within a TD until about 11 minutes to go in the game, when they went down by 11, the final margin. Without doing much research, I suspect the record would show that Oakland played a much greater percentage of the time down by 2+ scores. If that happens again, it will almost certainly limit Jordan's carries. Can he make it up in receptions? We'll see. Obviously many of you don't feel it will come to that. I guess all those of that belief expect the Oakland defense to be much improved for some reason.

It is also possibly helpful to note that in this comparison KC has no equivalent to Moss, Porter, Curry, and thus are more inclined to rely on their RBs than Oakland may be. Again, I guess we'll see about that.

 

[MJC]

You answered your own question.

And even though KC gave up a lot of points, they lost only 2 games by more than 1 score. And in one of those games they were within a FG until just a few minutes remained in the 4th quarter. In the other they were within a TD until about 11 minutes to go in the game, when they went down by 11, the final margin. Without doing much research, I suspect the record would show that Oakland played a much greater percentage of the time down by 2+ scores. If that happens again, it will almost certainly limit Jordan's carries. Can he make it up in receptions? We'll see. Obviously many of you don't feel it will come to that. I guess all those of that belief expect the Oakland defense to be much improved for some reason.

My guess is that it won't be the Oakland Defense that will be keeping them in games but the Offense. I don't see them being blown out too often and having to abandon the run entirely. The Offense should be good enough to keep them relatively competitive in high scoring games.