Player Spotlight: Reggie Bush (1 Viewer)

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

200 carries, 750 yards, 5 TD80 catches, 600 yards, 3 TD1,350 yds, 8 TDHe will still be a top10 in PPR leagues. He has almost no one pushing him for touches. Pierre Thomas was a nice story at the end of the year, but talk about taking 1 game and making projections...people that blow up Thomas are simply Bush haters. The fact Deuce is being drafted after his 2nd ACL injury is ridiculous.

185 carries703 yards5 TD80 catches576 tards2 TD

 

[TheFanatic]

What do the 2 have to do with each other? I imagine your saying I'm a homer cause I'm looking at one side positive but the other side I'm not. I think that me not predicting an injury is very posibble due to him never missing a game in college or his first year due to injury and him trying to play through the pain last year when he had a very serious injury. I think projecting him to have longer runs is very possible....why you ask? Cause his longest is only 22 yards like you stated earlier. I certainly expect him to have longer runs than that this year and am shocked he hasn't done longer in the past. He has had passes that have gone for longer and in preseason has had longer runs...so obviously he has the capability to do it whenever.

What I was pointing out that most people won't predict an injury on a guy that is not injury prone because it is just impossible to do. But the flip side of that is to predict some longer runs on a guy that has not shown a propensity for longer runs in the NFL. I get not predicting an injury for the guy because he is not injury prone, but predicting longer runs when he is not long-run-prone seems to be the exact same thing except in the positive direction. The homer direction if you will.

BTW, Reggie not missing any time in college is part of the reason (indirectly) why I have been down on the guy since he was drafted. He wasn't touched in college. Between that amazing line that opened gaping holes and his patented highlight reel moves, he didn't take a lot of big hits. In the NFL it's a different story. He's gotta make something out of nothing in that split second a hole is open. He has to take a hit, shrug it off, keep his footing and keep going. He's gotta be able to shake off an arm tackle from a guy that is 320 pounds and can free lift a Kia Spectra. These are not things he had to do in college. He can't just spin and outrun everyone anymore.

The guy has incredible talent, but I think he was surrounded by such amazing talent in College that he didn't have to scrap, claw and fight for yards the way backs need to in the NFL to be successful. Maybe he will learn to do that. Learn to know when the hole is going to close and be through it a fraction of second before it does. And learn to drop his head and deliver a hit on a LB rather than try to deke around the guy (And the first time he does that, he will get more room to run as guys will be more cautious in tackling him). He needs to put his head down and run over somebody at some time. Maybe not a LB, but he can drill some secondary guy.

I agree with alot you say here except the highlighted part. He might not have broke alot longs runs on handoffs but he has on swing passes. What's really the difference. The fact is when he gets going he can take it to teh house. Due to lesser talent around him and bad play calling to go along with an injury it didn't come together last year but that isn't saying he isn't capable of doing it.

He has broken a couple of long ones from passes, but how it that supposed to help his Yards Per Carry? That's the whole point. He's not a great RB. He needs to get the ball in space, not behind the line to bust off a long one on the ground. I mean, eventually the O will completely fool the D and he will run through some gaping hole and take it to the house, but he hasn't done so yet for a reason.

 

[awesomeness]

What do the 2 have to do with each other? I imagine your saying I'm a homer cause I'm looking at one side positive but the other side I'm not. I think that me not predicting an injury is very posibble due to him never missing a game in college or his first year due to injury and him trying to play through the pain last year when he had a very serious injury. I think projecting him to have longer runs is very possible....why you ask? Cause his longest is only 22 yards like you stated earlier. I certainly expect him to have longer runs than that this year and am shocked he hasn't done longer in the past. He has had passes that have gone for longer and in preseason has had longer runs...so obviously he has the capability to do it whenever.

What I was pointing out that most people won't predict an injury on a guy that is not injury prone because it is just impossible to do. But the flip side of that is to predict some longer runs on a guy that has not shown a propensity for longer runs in the NFL. I get not predicting an injury for the guy because he is not injury prone, but predicting longer runs when he is not long-run-prone seems to be the exact same thing except in the positive direction. The homer direction if you will.

BTW, Reggie not missing any time in college is part of the reason (indirectly) why I have been down on the guy since he was drafted. He wasn't touched in college. Between that amazing line that opened gaping holes and his patented highlight reel moves, he didn't take a lot of big hits. In the NFL it's a different story. He's gotta make something out of nothing in that split second a hole is open. He has to take a hit, shrug it off, keep his footing and keep going. He's gotta be able to shake off an arm tackle from a guy that is 320 pounds and can free lift a Kia Spectra. These are not things he had to do in college. He can't just spin and outrun everyone anymore.

The guy has incredible talent, but I think he was surrounded by such amazing talent in College that he didn't have to scrap, claw and fight for yards the way backs need to in the NFL to be successful. Maybe he will learn to do that. Learn to know when the hole is going to close and be through it a fraction of second before it does. And learn to drop his head and deliver a hit on a LB rather than try to deke around the guy (And the first time he does that, he will get more room to run as guys will be more cautious in tackling him). He needs to put his head down and run over somebody at some time. Maybe not a LB, but he can drill some secondary guy.

I agree with alot you say here except the highlighted part. He might not have broke alot longs runs on handoffs but he has on swing passes. What's really the difference. The fact is when he gets going he can take it to teh house. Due to lesser talent around him and bad play calling to go along with an injury it didn't come together last year but that isn't saying he isn't capable of doing it.

He has broken a couple of long ones from passes, but how it that supposed to help his Yards Per Carry? That's the whole point. He's not a great RB. He needs to get the ball in space, not behind the line to bust off a long one on the ground. I mean, eventually the O will completely fool the D and he will run through some gaping hole and take it to the house, but he hasn't done so yet for a reason.

Fortunately YPC doesn't effect fantasy football or else Bush owners might actually be in trouble.

 

[TheFanatic]

What do the 2 have to do with each other? I imagine your saying I'm a homer cause I'm looking at one side positive but the other side I'm not. I think that me not predicting an injury is very posibble due to him never missing a game in college or his first year due to injury and him trying to play through the pain last year when he had a very serious injury. I think projecting him to have longer runs is very possible....why you ask? Cause his longest is only 22 yards like you stated earlier. I certainly expect him to have longer runs than that this year and am shocked he hasn't done longer in the past. He has had passes that have gone for longer and in preseason has had longer runs...so obviously he has the capability to do it whenever.

What I was pointing out that most people won't predict an injury on a guy that is not injury prone because it is just impossible to do. But the flip side of that is to predict some longer runs on a guy that has not shown a propensity for longer runs in the NFL. I get not predicting an injury for the guy because he is not injury prone, but predicting longer runs when he is not long-run-prone seems to be the exact same thing except in the positive direction. The homer direction if you will.

BTW, Reggie not missing any time in college is part of the reason (indirectly) why I have been down on the guy since he was drafted. He wasn't touched in college. Between that amazing line that opened gaping holes and his patented highlight reel moves, he didn't take a lot of big hits. In the NFL it's a different story. He's gotta make something out of nothing in that split second a hole is open. He has to take a hit, shrug it off, keep his footing and keep going. He's gotta be able to shake off an arm tackle from a guy that is 320 pounds and can free lift a Kia Spectra. These are not things he had to do in college. He can't just spin and outrun everyone anymore.

The guy has incredible talent, but I think he was surrounded by such amazing talent in College that he didn't have to scrap, claw and fight for yards the way backs need to in the NFL to be successful. Maybe he will learn to do that. Learn to know when the hole is going to close and be through it a fraction of second before it does. And learn to drop his head and deliver a hit on a LB rather than try to deke around the guy (And the first time he does that, he will get more room to run as guys will be more cautious in tackling him). He needs to put his head down and run over somebody at some time. Maybe not a LB, but he can drill some secondary guy.

I agree with alot you say here except the highlighted part. He might not have broke alot longs runs on handoffs but he has on swing passes. What's really the difference. The fact is when he gets going he can take it to teh house. Due to lesser talent around him and bad play calling to go along with an injury it didn't come together last year but that isn't saying he isn't capable of doing it.

He has broken a couple of long ones from passes, but how it that supposed to help his Yards Per Carry? That's the whole point. He's not a great RB. He needs to get the ball in space, not behind the line to bust off a long one on the ground. I mean, eventually the O will completely fool the D and he will run through some gaping hole and take it to the house, but he hasn't done so yet for a reason.

Fortunately YPC doesn't effect fantasy football or else Bush owners might actually be in trouble.

But coaches do, and if he doesn't raise both YPC stats the highest paid RB in the league may be seeing less and less action...

 

[awesomeness]

What do the 2 have to do with each other? I imagine your saying I'm a homer cause I'm looking at one side positive but the other side I'm not. I think that me not predicting an injury is very posibble due to him never missing a game in college or his first year due to injury and him trying to play through the pain last year when he had a very serious injury. I think projecting him to have longer runs is very possible....why you ask? Cause his longest is only 22 yards like you stated earlier. I certainly expect him to have longer runs than that this year and am shocked he hasn't done longer in the past. He has had passes that have gone for longer and in preseason has had longer runs...so obviously he has the capability to do it whenever.

What I was pointing out that most people won't predict an injury on a guy that is not injury prone because it is just impossible to do. But the flip side of that is to predict some longer runs on a guy that has not shown a propensity for longer runs in the NFL. I get not predicting an injury for the guy because he is not injury prone, but predicting longer runs when he is not long-run-prone seems to be the exact same thing except in the positive direction. The homer direction if you will.

BTW, Reggie not missing any time in college is part of the reason (indirectly) why I have been down on the guy since he was drafted. He wasn't touched in college. Between that amazing line that opened gaping holes and his patented highlight reel moves, he didn't take a lot of big hits. In the NFL it's a different story. He's gotta make something out of nothing in that split second a hole is open. He has to take a hit, shrug it off, keep his footing and keep going. He's gotta be able to shake off an arm tackle from a guy that is 320 pounds and can free lift a Kia Spectra. These are not things he had to do in college. He can't just spin and outrun everyone anymore.

The guy has incredible talent, but I think he was surrounded by such amazing talent in College that he didn't have to scrap, claw and fight for yards the way backs need to in the NFL to be successful. Maybe he will learn to do that. Learn to know when the hole is going to close and be through it a fraction of second before it does. And learn to drop his head and deliver a hit on a LB rather than try to deke around the guy (And the first time he does that, he will get more room to run as guys will be more cautious in tackling him). He needs to put his head down and run over somebody at some time. Maybe not a LB, but he can drill some secondary guy.

I agree with alot you say here except the highlighted part. He might not have broke alot longs runs on handoffs but he has on swing passes. What's really the difference. The fact is when he gets going he can take it to teh house. Due to lesser talent around him and bad play calling to go along with an injury it didn't come together last year but that isn't saying he isn't capable of doing it.

He has broken a couple of long ones from passes, but how it that supposed to help his Yards Per Carry? That's the whole point. He's not a great RB. He needs to get the ball in space, not behind the line to bust off a long one on the ground. I mean, eventually the O will completely fool the D and he will run through some gaping hole and take it to the house, but he hasn't done so yet for a reason.

Fortunately YPC doesn't effect fantasy football or else Bush owners might actually be in trouble.

But coaches do, and if he doesn't raise both YPC stats the highest paid RB in the league may be seeing less and less action...

Bush is the most talented RB the Saints have and considering their offense is lethal it looks like Bush will be gettin 220+ touches a season for the forseeable future.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Bush is the most talented RB the Saints have and considering their offense is lethal it looks like Bush will be gettin 220+ touches a season for the forseeable future.

His history thus far does not seem to support this statement. He's been outplayed convincingly by Deuce McCallister, Aaron Stecker, and Pierre Thomas in the last two years. A healthy McCallister is twice the player that Reggie Bush has been thus far. If he continues to average <4 yards/carry and <6 yards/catch, he will lose his job eventually.

 

[Cenobite]

Bush is the most talented RB the Saints have and considering their offense is lethal it looks like Bush will be gettin 220+ touches a season for the forseeable future.

His history thus far does not seem to support this statement. He's been outplayed convincingly by Deuce McCallister, Aaron Stecker, and Pierre Thomas in the last two years. A healthy McCallister is twice the player that Reggie Bush has been thus far. If he continues to average <4 yards/carry and <6 yards/catch, he will lose his job eventually.

Awesomeness wrote "touches" not rushing attempts. He will definitely get that. I think 220 rushing attempts is on the high end. 180 is where I figure. Somewhere around 1400 yds, 8-10 tds, 85 receptions. I expected more of Reggie B. in the NFL but there's always next year - 3 mos away!

 

[awesomeness]

Bush is the most talented RB the Saints have and considering their offense is lethal it looks like Bush will be gettin 220+ touches a season for the forseeable future.

His history thus far does not seem to support this statement. He's been outplayed convincingly by Deuce McCallister, Aaron Stecker, and Pierre Thomas in the last two years. A healthy McCallister is twice the player that Reggie Bush has been thus far. If he continues to average <4 yards/carry and <6 yards/catch, he will lose his job eventually.

Looking at stats isn't the best way to determine whether or not a player has talent. I think the days of a "healthy McCallister" are long gone. I dont know if anyone has ever come back from multiple ACL injuries, let alone be successful. Since 2006, when Bush entered the league, Stecker has averaged 3.8 yards per carry and only 200 yards receiving a year.Pierre Thomas has only started one game, a week 17 game when neither team had anything to play for. If you extrapolated Thomas' numbers for an entire year he would have 3616 all purpose yards in a season, making it the greatest RB season of all time. I dont think Pierre is that good.

 

[Longrifle]

R. Bush

If Bush is going to have a breakout year and become an elite RB I think this is the year. He has had 2 years to get acclimated to the NFL and for he and his coaches to get an idea of how to use his vast skills the best. I see him as a duel threat and a solid RB. I also think he will outperform his draft position in most leagues.

Rushes 200

Rushing Yards 800

Rush TDs 8

Receptions 80

Receiving Yards 560

Receiving TDs 10

 

[switz]

Fortunately YPC doesn't effect fantasy football or else Bush owners might actually be in trouble.

But coaches do, and if he doesn't raise both YPC stats the highest paid RB in the league may be seeing less and less action...

I really don't see that happening. For as low as Bush's YPC has been, he's still been a very effective part of that offense, they aren't going to reduce his role any time soon.

 

[switz]

Bush is the most talented RB the Saints have and considering their offense is lethal it looks like Bush will be gettin 220+ touches a season for the forseeable future.

His history thus far does not seem to support this statement. He's been outplayed convincingly by Deuce McCallister, Aaron Stecker, and Pierre Thomas in the last two years. A healthy McCallister is twice the player that Reggie Bush has been thus far. If he continues to average <4 yards/carry and <6 yards/catch, he will lose his job eventually.

Outside of one game in which the only player that axtually cared was Thomas, when has he "outplayed" Bush?Stecker? McAllister - sure as an inside runner. But that was two years ago.

 

[Afro Samurai]

Outside of one game in which the only player that axtually cared was Thomas, when has he "outplayed" Bush?Stecker?

Sorry but the man is right.Bush WAS outplayed by both Stecker and Thomas throughout last season.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Hey, don't get me wrong. I want to like Reggie Bush. I was a fan while he was at USC. I was excited to watch him as a football fan. I loved him as a fantasy prospect coming out, and had visions of 1K/1K seasons.

Facts are facts, though, and he has been downright bad in the NFL. Rushing-wise, he has been a complete failure. Cedric friggin' Benson has more yards in each of the last two years, and a better YPC during that timeframe, and Benson is pretty universally seen as a complete turd. And yeah, he catches a high number of passes, but he was under 6 yards/catch last year. That just sucks. I'm too lazy to look it up, but has got to be relatively close for a record low YPC for that amount of catches.

I think that maybe some people are just seeing what they want to see with him.

 

[Blackjacks]

Hey, don't get me wrong. I want to like Reggie Bush. I was a fan while he was at USC. I was excited to watch him as a football fan. I loved him as a fantasy prospect coming out, and had visions of 1K/1K seasons.

Facts are facts, though, and he has been downright bad in the NFL. Rushing-wise, he has been a complete failure. Cedric friggin' Benson has more yards in each of the last two years, and a better YPC during that timeframe, and Benson is pretty universally seen as a complete turd. And yeah, he catches a high number of passes, but he was under 6 yards/catch last year. That just sucks. I'm too lazy to look it up, but has got to be relatively close for a record low YPC for that amount of catches.

I think that maybe some people are just seeing what they want to see with him.

Say what you want but I see a huge talenthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE-tmbX4Mmc

 

[rzrback77]

Reggie Bush has struggled to meet expectations in the NFL. That was likely due to how high they were however. Personally, I would not draft Reggie Bush as a RB1 unless it is a ppr league. I just think that his team has other running options with Deuce and Pierre Thomas, Reggie has not proven that he can consistently make the tough yards, and also the Saints throw the ball so well. He has continued to be drafted on that initial hype and goes too early for me.

He rushed 157 times in 07 compared to 155 in 06, even while missing four games, but that was because of the McAllister injury. His ypc increased from 3.6 to 3.7, bit I am not optimistic of much more than that because he has too many lost yardage plays. I think that he will continue to get lots of targets and catch lots of passes, but the TDs and yards rushing will disappoint.

Reggie Bush 160 carries 624 yards 3.9 ypc with 80 receptions for 720 yards (9.0 ypc) & 7 total TDs

 

[switz]

Outside of one game in which the only player that axtually cared was Thomas, when has he "outplayed" Bush?Stecker?

Sorry but the man is right.Bush WAS outplayed by both Stecker and Thomas throughout last season.

Not according to any evidence I can gather. It'll need more than "the man was right" to sway my opinion. Thomas looked horrible until one game. Stecker is a career backup, who IMO didn't look all that great.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Not according to any evidence I can gather. It'll need more than "the man was right" to sway my opinion. Thomas looked horrible until one game. Stecker is a career backup, who IMO didn't look all that great.

Player 	Team 	DPAR 	PAR 	DVOA 	VOA 	Runs 	Yards 	TD 	FUM 	Suc23-P.Thomas 	NO 	12.3	11.5	42.70%	39.30%	50	251	1	0	27-A.Stecker 	NO 	10.2	10.2	6.50%	6.50%	114	444	5	1	50%25-R.Bush 	NO 	-8.9	-9.1	-26.50%	-26.70%	157	569	4	7	46%

I'm curious what 'evidence' you can cite?

 

[awesomeness]

Not according to any evidence I can gather. It'll need more than "the man was right" to sway my opinion. Thomas looked horrible until one game. Stecker is a career backup, who IMO didn't look all that great.

Player 	Team 	DPAR 	PAR 	DVOA 	VOA 	Runs 	Yards 	TD 	FUM 	Suc23-P.Thomas 	NO 	12.3	11.5	42.70%	39.30%	50	251	1	0	27-A.Stecker 	NO 	10.2	10.2	6.50%	6.50%	114	444	5	1	50%25-R.Bush 	NO 	-8.9	-9.1	-26.50%	-26.70%	157	569	4	7	46%

I'm curious what 'evidence' you can cite?

Stecker and Thomas started 2 and 1 games respectively. Extrapolating that over an entire season isn't realistic.

 

[LBH]

Outside of one game in which the only player that axtually cared was Thomas, when has he "outplayed" Bush?Stecker?

Sorry but the man is right.Bush WAS outplayed by both Stecker and Thomas throughout last season.

Not according to any evidence I can gather. It'll need more than "the man was right" to sway my opinion. Thomas looked horrible until one game. Stecker is a career backup, who IMO didn't look all that great.

Thomas only started one game. When did he look horrible?

 

[LBH]

Outside of one game in which the only player that axtually cared was Thomas, when has he "outplayed" Bush?Stecker?

Sorry but the man is right.Bush WAS outplayed by both Stecker and Thomas throughout last season.

Not according to any evidence I can gather. It'll need more than "the man was right" to sway my opinion. Thomas looked horrible until one game. Stecker is a career backup, who IMO didn't look all that great.

they might not have looked great but the Thomas/Stecker combo clearly outplayed R.Bush as far as running the football last year. Other than a poor performance from Thomas against Carolina where the saints were up big and were just running into a pile of bodies to keep the clock going late in the game, Thomas had a pretty good year in limited action on 52 carries and a 4.8 avg.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Not according to any evidence I can gather. It'll need more than "the man was right" to sway my opinion. Thomas looked horrible until one game. Stecker is a career backup, who IMO didn't look all that great.

Player 	Team 	DPAR 	PAR 	DVOA 	VOA 	Runs 	Yards 	TD 	FUM 	Suc23-P.Thomas 	NO 	12.3	11.5	42.70%	39.30%	50	251	1	0	27-A.Stecker 	NO 	10.2	10.2	6.50%	6.50%	114	444	5	1	50%25-R.Bush 	NO 	-8.9	-9.1	-26.50%	-26.70%	157	569	4	7	46%

I'm curious what 'evidence' you can cite?

Stecker and Thomas started 2 and 1 games respectively. Extrapolating that over an entire season isn't realistic.

That's true. Fortunately I'm not trying to extrapolate across the whole season. I actually don't like DVOA for lots of things since what it's really measuring in many cases is the team and not the player, but given that we're comparing three players from the same team it works great here. And adjusting for the types of touches each player had (down, distance, position on the field, etc) Stecker and Thomas clearly outplayed Bush. And Bush played a whole season too - so there's no need to extrapolate anything for him.The fact is that so far Bush has not been very good. And he has to get better or sooner or later he'll start losing touches.

 

[awesomeness]

Not according to any evidence I can gather. It'll need more than "the man was right" to sway my opinion. Thomas looked horrible until one game. Stecker is a career backup, who IMO didn't look all that great.

Player Team DPAR PAR DVOA VOA Runs Yards TD FUM Suc23-P.Thomas NO 12.3 11.5 42.70% 39.30% 50 251 1 0 27-A.Stecker NO 10.2 10.2 6.50% 6.50% 114 444 5 1 50%25-R.Bush NO -8.9 -9.1 -26.50% -26.70% 157 569 4 7 46%I'm curious what 'evidence' you can cite?

Stecker and Thomas started 2 and 1 games respectively. Extrapolating that over an entire season isn't realistic.

That's true. Fortunately I'm not trying to extrapolate across the whole season. I actually don't like DVOA for lots of things since what it's really measuring in many cases is the team and not the player, but given that we're comparing three players from the same team it works great here. And adjusting for the types of touches each player had (down, distance, position on the field, etc) Stecker and Thomas clearly outplayed Bush. And Bush played a whole season too - so there's no need to extrapolate anything for him.

The fact is that so far Bush has not been very good. And he has to get better or sooner or later he'll start losing touches.

There really is no point in me answering to Reggie's critics, they just repeat everything over and over.All that needs to be said is that Bush is the most talented RB on a team with a high octane offense. Bush will continue to get 220+ touches a season for the forseeable future barring injury.

 

[Blackjacks]

Not according to any evidence I can gather. It'll need more than "the man was right" to sway my opinion. Thomas looked horrible until one game. Stecker is a career backup, who IMO didn't look all that great.

Player 	Team 	DPAR 	PAR 	DVOA 	VOA 	Runs 	Yards 	TD 	FUM 	Suc23-P.Thomas 	NO 	12.3	11.5	42.70%	39.30%	50	251	1	0	27-A.Stecker 	NO 	10.2	10.2	6.50%	6.50%	114	444	5	1	50%25-R.Bush 	NO 	-8.9	-9.1	-26.50%	-26.70%	157	569	4	7	46%

I'm curious what 'evidence' you can cite?

I don't know where u got these #'s from and to be honest i don't know what alot of it means but i know that usually a guy that gets a couple of carries a game or gets a start here and there might put up good #'s (defenses don't study him, and dcoordinators don't make gameplans around him.) LT has had a better ypc avg. 1 time out of 4 years than M. Turner, do you guys think Turner outplayed LT during that time?#'s can be awakening sometimes but they can lie sometimes also. Sometimes you just have to not try to outsmart yorself. Reggie is a much better talent and if you can't see that you need to open your eyes.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

All that needs to be said is that Bush is the most talented RB on a team with a high octane offense. Bush will continue to get 220+ touches a season for the forseeable future barring injury.

No argument at all. As of today there's no one on the Saints that will eat into his touches enough that he's not a Top 10 back in PPR.But backs who aren't elite performers have a funny way of losing touches - whether there's a guy on the roster yet or not. Just ask Willie Parker about that one. Bush is buffered from that since he was the #2 pick, but he's not immune.

 

[LBH]

Not according to any evidence I can gather. It'll need more than "the man was right" to sway my opinion. Thomas looked horrible until one game. Stecker is a career backup, who IMO didn't look all that great.

Player	 Team	 DPAR	 PAR	 DVOA	 VOA	 Runs	 Yards	 TD	 FUM	 Suc23-P.Thomas	 NO	 12.3	11.5	42.70%	39.30%	50	251	1	0	27-A.Stecker	 NO	 10.2	10.2	6.50%	6.50%	114	444	5	1	50%25-R.Bush	 NO	 -8.9	-9.1	-26.50%	-26.70%	157	569	4	7	46%

I'm curious what 'evidence' you can cite?

I don't know where u got these #'s from and to be honest i don't know what alot of it means but i know that usually a guy that gets a couple of carries a game or gets a start here and there might put up good #'s (defenses don't study him, and dcoordinators don't make gameplans around him.) LT has had a better ypc avg. 1 time out of 4 years than M. Turner, do you guys think Turner outplayed LT during that time?#'s can be awakening sometimes but they can lie sometimes also. Sometimes you just have to not try to outsmart yorself. Reggie is a much better talent and if you can't see that you need to open your eyes.

It was more than a couple of carries....Thomas/Stecker 167 carries 700yds 6 tds 4.2avgR.Bush 157 carries 581yds 4tds 3.7avgI think R.Bush lovers need to open their eyes, not the other way around. He is a talented player, but he needs to be used correctly and that way is the way he was used in his rookie year with Deuce. I dont think he going to be the RB I hoped he would be coming out of USC. He just doesnt look like a strong runner between the tackles to me

 

[KellysHeroes]

Reggie is quoted as to saying that his PCL Injury was during Week 9 I believe...

From Week 5 too 9 when he was the full time starter

Reggie had 84 Att for 354 for a 4.21 YPC

He also had over 110 total yds in 4 of those 5 games

After Week 9, you can see where he had some issues... his attempts dropped, his YPC took a serious hit; overall, you can tell he was injuried and he gutted out 4 more games.

 

[Afro Samurai]

He just doesnt look like a strong runner between the tackles to me

It's not that he can't do it, it's that he seems almost totally unwilling to do it.The times he has been most effective as a running back are the times when he runs up the middle. Unfortunately, those are few and far between.

 

[benbadman]

In a standard redraft league, if I can grab Reggie Bush in round 4 as my RB3, I'm pretty happy. The ADP rankings on him right now seem low, but unfortuantely there will be some Reggie Bush fan who will take him in round 2/3 of most leagues based on the name.

 

[the spanker]

In a standard redraft league, if I can grab Reggie Bush in round 4 as my RB3, I'm pretty happy. The ADP rankings on him right now seem low, but unfortuantely there will be some Reggie Bush fan who will take him in round 2/3 of most leagues based on the name.

And that's just fine with me. If I can get Reggie in round 3 I'm all over that in PPR....Heck I'll take him in round 2 depending who's on the board.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

In a standard redraft league, if I can grab Reggie Bush in round 4 as my RB3, I'm pretty happy. The ADP rankings on him right now seem low, but unfortuantely there will be some Reggie Bush fan who will take him in round 2/3 of most leagues based on the name.

And that's just fine with me. If I can get Reggie in round 3 I'm all over that in PPR....Heck I'll take him in round 2 depending who's on the board.

PPR, he'd be gone by 3, depends on when you're up in the 2nd.

 

[cstu]

This is what I find disconcerting - Bush's YPC on 1st downs has been terrible. Of backs the past two years with a minimum of 50 1st down carries, Bush has ranked #77 and #83 in YPC.

Reggie Bush rb 2006 72 254 3.53 9 2 42 29 277 9.55 8 1 69.10

Reggie Bush rb 2007 85 315 3.71 9 2 39 32 180 5.62 8 1 67.50

 

[RBM]

Havent done my projections yet, but when Reggie learns how to be a rb, and have some patience and wait and look for his blocks, he will be dynamite. Until then, he will be the same hit or miss guy he has been.

Its that simple.

 

[the spanker]

Havent done my projections yet, but when Reggie learns how to be a rb, and have some patience and wait and look for his blocks, he will be dynamite. Until then, he will be the same hit or miss guy he has been.Its that simple.

All I can say is that I HOPE AND PRAY there are as many guys in my league down on Reggie as many of you are in here. Like I said in PPR mid to second round Reggie is a STEAL.I love it when guys are really down on a player of his talent level.

 

[SSOG]

No way he gets 280 carries. 220 may be the max for this year.190-900-585-700-5

4.7 yards per carry?

 

[vandyt]

What do the 2 have to do with each other? I imagine your saying I'm a homer cause I'm looking at one side positive but the other side I'm not. I think that me not predicting an injury is very posibble due to him never missing a game in college or his first year due to injury and him trying to play through the pain last year when he had a very serious injury. I think projecting him to have longer runs is very possible....why you ask? Cause his longest is only 22 yards like you stated earlier. I certainly expect him to have longer runs than that this year and am shocked he hasn't done longer in the past. He has had passes that have gone for longer and in preseason has had longer runs...so obviously he has the capability to do it whenever.

What I was pointing out that most people won't predict an injury on a guy that is not injury prone because it is just impossible to do. But the flip side of that is to predict some longer runs on a guy that has not shown a propensity for longer runs in the NFL. I get not predicting an injury for the guy because he is not injury prone, but predicting longer runs when he is not long-run-prone seems to be the exact same thing except in the positive direction. The homer direction if you will.

BTW, Reggie not missing any time in college is part of the reason (indirectly) why I have been down on the guy since he was drafted. He wasn't touched in college. Between that amazing line that opened gaping holes and his patented highlight reel moves, he didn't take a lot of big hits. In the NFL it's a different story. He's gotta make something out of nothing in that split second a hole is open. He has to take a hit, shrug it off, keep his footing and keep going. He's gotta be able to shake off an arm tackle from a guy that is 320 pounds and can free lift a Kia Spectra. These are not things he had to do in college. He can't just spin and outrun everyone anymore.

The guy has incredible talent, but I think he was surrounded by such amazing talent in College that he didn't have to scrap, claw and fight for yards the way backs need to in the NFL to be successful. Maybe he will learn to do that. Learn to know when the hole is going to close and be through it a fraction of second before it does. And learn to drop his head and deliver a hit on a LB rather than try to deke around the guy (And the first time he does that, he will get more room to run as guys will be more cautious in tackling him). He needs to put his head down and run over somebody at some time. Maybe not a LB, but he can drill some secondary guy.

I agree with alot you say here except the highlighted part. He might not have broke alot longs runs on handoffs but he has on swing passes. What's really the difference. The fact is when he gets going he can take it to teh house. Due to lesser talent around him and bad play calling to go along with an injury it didn't come together last year but that isn't saying he isn't capable of doing it.

He has broken a couple of long ones from passes, but how it that supposed to help his Yards Per Carry? That's the whole point. He's not a great RB. He needs to get the ball in space, not behind the line to bust off a long one on the ground. I mean, eventually the O will completely fool the D and he will run through some gaping hole and take it to the house, but he hasn't done so yet for a reason.

Fortunately YPC doesn't effect fantasy football or else Bush owners might actually be in trouble.

You have a very, VERY narrow view of whats out there for FF.

 

[KellysHeroes]

In a standard redraft league, if I can grab Reggie Bush in round 4 as my RB3, I'm pretty happy. The ADP rankings on him right now seem low, but unfortuantely there will be some Reggie Bush fan who will take him in round 2/3 of most leagues based on the name.

And that's just fine with me. If I can get Reggie in round 3 I'm all over that in PPR....Heck I'll take him in round 2 depending who's on the board.

PPR, he'd be gone by 3, depends on when you're up in the 2nd.

In PPR, hes gone by end of Round 1

 

[BigRed]

bump for people who don't realize these player spotlights exist.

 

[go jints]

Here is the deal with Reggie:

He's just not that good. He is fast but offers little else. He runs with little power and most importantly he has poor vision and runs with no patience.

He is solid receiving option and the Saints do not seem ready to give up on him from a carries perspective so I think he will post similar numbers to last year (assuming he had stayed healthy) -

160 carries for 608 yds and 4 rushing TD's plus

78 receptions for 638 yds and 2 receiving TD's

 

[TheFanatic]

Here is the deal with Reggie:

He's just not that good. He is fast but offers little else. He runs with little power and most importantly he has poor vision and runs with no patience.

He is solid receiving option and the Saints do not seem ready to give up on him from a carries perspective so I think he will post similar numbers to last year (assuming he had stayed healthy) -

160 carries for 608 yds and 4 rushing TD's plus

78 receptions for 638 yds and 2 receiving TD's

ouch....