Great point about S-Jax, and the answer is, I don't know, I hope so. Again, I was just pointing out calling Reggie Bush a slam dunk for the top 10 seems a little overzealous to me. Again, NOT a bush hater, just being practical here.
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
Why does everyone assume that he will get better as an inside runner because this is his 4th year? Every offseason since his rookie year he has said he is going to work on being an inside runner and every year he woefully disappoints. What makes this year different? 4th time's the charm? Or is it 5th time? 6th time? I never saw the kid in HS but I saw some games in college and don't recall him getting the tough yards inside very often. So, he never really did it in college, and hasn't in 3 years in the NFL. How many chances do we give the guy in FFB to figure it out? More importantly, how many years will NO give him? Honestly, I think that the Saints have stopped trying to give him that chance. They will let Reggie be Reggie running dump offs, end arounds, and gimmick plays and Thomas will be the RB...
is 3.8 to 4.1 ypc a huge improvement? Are you saying that Reggie Bush will always be in the 3.6 to 3.8 range ypc in his NFL career? i certainly dont believe so. I dont 4.1ypc is unrealistic at all.So do you think 10 carries a game on average is too much? what are you realistically expecting, saying the Saints have stopped giving him that chance to be a RB. 7 carries per game (~120 in 16 games) for your top-2 pick in the NFL draft? I just dont see it. I dont believe the Saints have given up on Reggie Bush as a RB. And it's not like 160 for the year is depending on him heavily as a RB. Pierre will certainly get more.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
.3 YPC is a huge improvement. Particularly since he has only improved by .1 per year.
After 3 years that seems to be his wheel house. Could he improve to 4.1? Sure. But the more realistic expectation isn't that for some unknown reason he figures out how to be an inside runner or can all of the sudden outpace NFL LB's around the corner. Other than that the only backing you have for his improvement is wishful thinking. There is no evidence that Bush will improve that much after 3 years of mediocrity running the ball. I mean, maybe all NFL LB's will slow down to the pace of PAC-10 LB's and then his YPC will improve drastically, but I doubt it.
Lot more wishful thinking here. Where he was drafted does not have anything to do with how much playing time the guy gets. What he does on the field will get him playing time. Even assuming X amount of carries over 16 games is very wishful thinking. Do you really expect him to play in all 16 games for the first time in his career? So, in his 4th year he's going to learn to be a better RB AND play in 16 games. What statistical backing, or otherwise logical argument, do you have to support this claim other than you really hope he does well as you are either A) a Bush owner B) NOLA homer C) USC fan and/or Alum?
What do I have for support that the Saints have given up on him being a legit RB? Deuce and Pierre. The organization has been hesitant to rely strictly on Bush and Bush has consistently made that hesitancy a smart move by the Saints. If the Saints ever want to go deep into the playoffs they have to do so with a more balanced attack and control the clock to keep their D off the field and rested. Reggie does not lend to that system. Chucking the rock for 5K yards got them to 8-8. They have to do something different..
Inspiration
Footballguy
Play better defense?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I would think they could help the D while on offense by keeping the D off the field. Dropped passes stop the clock and get that tired D right back on the field. They need a balanced attack to help that D.Play better defense?
kremenull
Footballguy
The only time that this team was really good recently was when Bush was very productive and healthy, his rookie year. If anyone thinks for a minute that the Saints will somehow begin to decrease Bush's workload when he will be entering the peak years of his athletic life, then you simply are wrong. If Bush doesn't produce as the top playmaker on this team (which he easily is) and stay healthy for most , if not all of the season, then they don't win. It's as simple as that. And I believe that the Saints want to win. Some guys, and Bush is one of them, have great value just by their presence on the field as defenses have to gameplan and account for dynamic players. Nobody will be up all night worrying about Pierre Thomas, not even Colston. Bush is the difference-maker talent who can, and does, make the plays to win games. If he's on the field, he gets touches. Whether it's running, receiving, or in the return game, Bush will be the central figure on offense and heavily involved. In PPR format leagues, Bush isTheFanatic said:
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Balance
Footballguy
So every team in the league with an RBBC does not consider its running backs legit?What do other good running backs on a team have to do with Bush being legit or not? Are you implying it was a knock on Bush to get fewer carries coming into the league on a team with an established stud? Or a knock on Bush that Pierre produced when he went down? New Orleans is not the only team to have multiple good RBs on the roster, why you would single Bush out or single the Saints out on this is beyond me.TheFanatic said:
San Diego franchised Sproles.. is this evidence against LT's legitimacy?
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I figured you would show up here fanatic. Let me put in my 2 cents on a couple of your statements.TheFanatic said:
1) He has improved his ypc every year in the league (3.6, 3.7, 3.8) So 4 ypc is out of the question????? (technically 3.9 is where his trend would put him, right?)
2) You need to youtube Reggie if you don't think he broke ALOT of tackles in college
3) I really don't see (no proof) the Saints cutting ties with Reggie. He brings in alot of revenue, puts butts in the seats and is a marketing agents dream. Think what you want about him a a player, and we all know what you think about him, but from an NFL owner's perspective (and owners in ff) we know the value Reggie brings
stewartcjae
Footballguy
I have seen nothing from the Saints to suggest that they have given up. All signs point that they will continue to use Reggie they way they have over the last 3 years. Thomas will get his, just like Deuce before him.....but Reggie as long as he is healthy will always get his touches too. 150+ carries 70+ receptions. Almost a lock for 1200yards. AGain that is assuming he stays healthy, which is no lock.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
If you look at the first 6 weeks, before Reggie's injury, Deuce had one week with alot of carries (they were winning big early against the niners) and Pierre had one week with 10. Reggie was definetly "the man" early on in the year.TheFanatic said:
People falsely claim that Bush was being phased out by NO.He got hurt in week 7 and was never healthy after that.
Week #1 - 22 touches/163 yards
Week #2 - 17 touches/91 yards
Week #3 - 29 touches/148 yards
Week #4 - 15 touches/38 yards
Week #5 - 19 touches/93 yards
Week #6 - 17 touches/67 yards
Ave = 19.8 touches/100 yards per game when healthy last season
Knocking him for getting injured is valid, acting like NO doesn't want to get him involved is ignorant.
Bush doesn't need 20 carries a game to get stats.
If he's a top 5 RB at week 6-8 (or #1 in PPR like he was last year pre injury) and winning you games I seriously doubt most people are going to trade a stud like that away. How do you even get fair value for a guy like that? You can't...unless you're in a very trade happy league...which is hard to find.And if you trade him and he doesn't get injured you look like a fool. You can't predict injuries.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
The simple answer here is an adamant yes. LT is getting older. They worry about his durability and longevity. This is a bad example to support your theory.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
He has shown no noticeable improvement in 3 years. .1 a year is not noticeable or statistically significant. It shows more of the same, mediocre running he has had since he entered the league.
Think about that for a minute. What do you think they show on Youtube? Reggie getting stuffed at the line? Reggie getting tackled in the backfield? Reggie getting tripped up after a yard? Nope. They show his highlights. His long runs. His running through gaping holes and hitting pay dirt. Using youtube as support for this argument is akin to citing wikipedia in a master's thesis.
Reggie may sell jerseys and put butts in the seats but he needs to help them win. He needs to stay on the field. He needs to be a better all around RB. He has star power, but not so much NFL power as a player. And there in will likely be his downfall. When he goes to negotiate his contract and he asks for a huge signing bonus and they look at his stats as a guy that averages about 10 games a season, is sub 4.0 ypc, and just isn't that great of a RB outside of his pass catching, do you think the team is going to drop a $20 million signing bonus on that when they can go with Pierre Thomas (who does it all), and spend that $20 million SB on a legit pass rusher or an O-lineman? Gimmick players don't get that much money. And he needs to prove he is more than a gimmick player. He may put fans in the seats but winning will put more fans whether 25 is out there or not...
TheFanatic
Footballguy
And look what he did with the faith they put in him? He went down to injury again. Of course the Saints show cased him. Of course they gave him a lot of carries. They have to. They have to see if the guy can do it. They have to see if the guy is going to be worth the exorbitant sum he will be asking when his contract is up. They have to see if he can be a player. They have to see if he can handle the load and stay on the field. Something he clearly can't do so far.Can he rebound and play 16 games this season? Sure he can. Can he improve his crappy YPC? Sure he can. Is it likely? I don't think so. But he needs to step up because if he doesn't soon the only way he makes the big bucks in the next contract is with a ton of performance bonuses in it from the Saints or a contract from another team. So maybe he guts it out this year and plays through injuries. Maybe he grind hard inside and improves his inside running game. I hope he does. He's fun to watch. Particularly in open space. But fun to watch doesn't win football games.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
How many games would you say you have actually sat down and watched Reggie during a whole game lately. I don't believe you have the ticket anymore and we don't get it locally so how are you coming up with your basis?You say that you tube only shows his breakaway runs and long plays and not his other bad plays......than how did you see them?You are not a fan obviously which is fine. However, I think you are making alot of statements int his thread that aren't true and based just on your beliefs.I'm done, don't draft him
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Is it? DeAnglo Williams went from 4.1 to 5.0 to 5.5.TheFanatic said:
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
DWill is hardly the typical case, and not at all like Bush in any way. He's a talented NFL runner for starters.Donnybrook said:
But in all seriousness, yes, a .3 YPC increase when there is three year near-flat trend as a basis to work from would be very odd particularly when there is nothing on which to base the projected increase (other than off-season puff-pieces which we've all heard before). Folks seem to act like the 4th year is some magical period where RBs typically put it all together and have career years, but historical data strongly suggests otherwise.If a guy has been a poor runner for three years straight, he doesn't generally turn it around in his 4th year. I'm sure it has happened a few times along the line, but I'd bet the cases where it didn't happen far far far outweigh the cases where it did.
-jb-
Footballguy
Oh, BURN!!!DWill is hardly the typical case, and not at all like Bush in any way. He's a talented NFL runner for starters.Donnybrook said:
TheFanatic
Footballguy
This is your response? I have seen more of Reggie than you realize. Remember, before he ever took a snap in the NFL I was the one stating that he would have a hard time running between the tackles or around the fast LB's in the NFL. I believe I stated that to you on our draft day his rookie year in which you showed up sporting a black and gold 25 and the 1.1 pick that year. You are the guy that spend every waking hour watching college ball, yet you seem to have missed the boat on this one. I may not have seen as many of his games in college but it would seem my limited view of him was much more realistic than yours. Please stop trying to discount my views of the guy based on some sort of bias. You bowed down to your altar to Reggie that day and every day since. There is ample, data, video, etc that shows that Reggie is a horrible between the tackles runner with an inability to stay healthy. These are the facts. Can he make plays? Yes. Is he fun to watch? In open space, yes. Can he help an NFL or Fantasy team? When healthy yes. He has a nose for the endzone and on a team with Brees he's going to have room to maneuver and get the ball thrown to him. But please stop trying to paint me as some biased hater. I stated my beliefs about the guy before he played a down and was soundly blasted for it. Seems I was right all along. After the beating I took, of course I'm going to be a bit defensive. You on the other hand, drafted him with the 1.1 while wearing his jersey. Your Avatar is a pic of the guy. I'm sure it was a toss up as to what to name your new born between Reggie and what you named him (don't think your son's name should be mentioned on an anonymous message board). Reggie never burned me on a bet or in a game that I can think of. I've never owned him or can recall losing a game to a Reggie owner because Reggie went off for like 25. I just saw a deficiency in his game coming out of college that rang true in the NFL. You ignored that and have continued to ride his jock which in the end has taken you, well, no where. I don't seem to recall you making the playoffs any year you had Reggie on your squad. But by all means, go ahead and draft him. I wouldn't be opposed to drafting the guy if I got him as a value pick, but that would never happen because in every league there is a guy like you that has got to have him on his team and will reach way too early...Blackjacks said:
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Injuries are the only thing that have stopped him from being an elite FANTASY running back. If you could see that in your crystal ball good for you.P.S. It was a white and gold jersey I was wearing and still am proudly. He has been hurt, I got nothing on that but no one can see that coming especially when he never was in college.
The two bolded parts lead me to believe the first is false, because I know the second is. I'm a Saints fan and have watched every game he's played. If you want to criticize Reggie, go ahead, but at least get it right. Reggie is a horrible outside runner. There are two possibilities when Reggie runs outside, 1) his blockers give him the edge and he runs out of bounds for a gain of 5-12 yards doing nothing to gain extra yards 2) his blockers don't give him the edge and he simply stops, losing 2-5 yards.Reggie is effective on quick bursts up the middle. People assume he's effective running outside because he catches the ball well outside the hashes, but this is false. People see a slight build on a RB who catches the ball outside the hashes and assume he can't run inside, but this is false. I am left to assume that you see a player you predicted to fail struggle, and this makes you happy(nothing wrong with this, we all do it), but you havn't seen enough of him to realize that a healthy Reggie Bush is extremely effective, both in the NFL and fantasy.
Traders2001
Footballguy
Exactly . He is effective on third down and 20 when they run a draw play, besides that he is ineffective running either outside or inside .He is nt a runnning back , its as simple as that .
There a huge difference between running the ball in college and the NFL .
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I do in fact. They passed for 5K yards but went 8-8. They need to scale back the passing game and control the clock to give the D a breather. I'm not saying Brees is going to drop back to 3200 passing yards, but I would say that 4K yards is more likely than 4900 yards...kevinallen said:
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Here's your problem. You look at this only in terms of fantasy. He has to be a good NFL back to be a good fantasy back. If he can't move the chains on the ground they will find someone who can. And it's not just injuries that have held him back. And old Deuce and a young Pierre have both out performed Reggie pretty drastically. Same offense. Same line. Same team. Reggie just doesn't measure up.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Take the blinder off. He does not run in tight spaces well, and he does not take it around the corner very well either. NFL LB's are much quicker to the outside than PAC-10 LB's. If he is such a great runner, then why do the other RB's on the team vastly outperform him on the ground? Are they sure fire HOFers then? How do you explain the disparity between his numbers and their numbers?
Blackjacks
Footballguy
You really need to get out of your fun little world where you can make up statements and they become true cause you said so. Look AT THE FACTS and you'll see that Reggie was tearing it up (not his rushing but his complete game) as a player in the NFL last year before he got hurt.game 1 163 yards
game 2 91 yards
games 3 148 yards
game 4 38 yards (early blow out and Deuce was running real good)
game 5 93 yards (plus 2 punt return for td's)
game 6 67 yards
game 7 60 yards (in the first half before he got hurt)
so he also had 8 td's in 7 games (including punt returns), averaged 95 yards a game (including one where he only played half the game) and was the one of the best punt returners in the league.
And you say P. Thomas and Deuce outplayed him???????
And in that 95 yards a game (let's be honest, it was over 100 when you divide that # without the half he missed against Carolina) and you don't think that is successful to a team?
You don't think he moved the chains at all during 95 yards a game?
You think that he got outplayed by 2 other guys who averaged much lesser STATS?
Again, I don't know why the hatred is there. I think you just want to let everyone know that you didn't like Reggie early on in his career (the draft) and your trying (not very convincingly), that you were right about what you saw back then.
I disagree with you, the #'s disagree with you and the Saints record PRE-Reggie and With Reggie would disagree they are better without him.
I'm sure you'll say they Saints are a better team cause of Brees and they definetly are, but Reggie makes that offense click and it doesn't look the same when he isn't there.
I've said my peace, I'm done.
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Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
LOLThe Saints were 3-4 L with Reggie last year, averaging 25.6 pts when he was "tearing it up".Without him, they were 5-4, and averaged 31.6 pts.Saying Reggie Bush makes that offense "click" is downright hilarious.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I'll counter your argument of cherry picking his stats the way you did. See, Reggie only put up about 50 yards per game last year. You can't just dismiss the games he missed as if they don't count toward anything. Last I checked injured players don't help an NFL or FFB team win.But the best counter happened on the first page of this thread and outlines the disparity between Reggie and Pierre perfectly:
All the Reggie lovers want to cite YouTube as proof of his greatness or what they have seen on the field. Selectively chosen highlight reels and fan bias are highly deceptive animals. But take all the bias away and look at the numbers. Yes he is an exciting runner when he has room to do so. Yes he can make people miss but he can't grind out squat. He has been given massive opportunity based on where he was drafted and has woefully underperformed given that opportunity. And if he doesn't stay on the field this year AND improve his YPC, when his agent comes calling for a $20 million signing bonus in a year or two the Saints are going to part ways and use that money on someone that has much more of an impact than a 3rd down back that is a great return man...
Dancing Bear
Footballguy
I've got to give you credit Fanatic. The members of the Reggie Bush Bus seem to never get the fact that Bush has never provided near the performance that his hype promises. And you still keep giving them facts to review ... Are you really expecting them to see the light and be "objective"?
Let's review Bush's propensity to "bust off" a "long" play from scrimmage ...
I'm going to define a "long" play as a play that goes for 10 yards or more from scrimmage.
Bush has 37 runs of 10 yards or more [2006, 2007, 2008].
McAllister has 30 runs of 10 yards or more [2006, 2007, 2008].
Thomas has 22 runs of 10 yards or more [2007, 2008].
Bush had a 8.9% chance to "bust" one.
McAllister had a 8.0% chance to "bust" one.
Thomas had a 12.3% chance to "bust" one.
Bush has 60 receptions of 10 yards or more [2006, 2007, 2008].
McAllister has 12 receptions of 10 yards or more [2006, 2007, 2008].
Thomas has 22 receptions of 10 yards or more [2007, 2008].
Bush had 20.5% chance to "bust" one.
McAllister had a 18.8% chance to "bust" one.
Thomas has a 34.4% chance to "bust" one.
From a touches perspective ...
Bush had 13.7% chance to "bust" one.
McAllister had a 9.6% chance to "bust" one.
Thomas has a 18.1% chance to "bust" one.
Bush is not even able to produce better than Thomas ... let alone the likes of D. Williams, A. Peterson, M. Jones-Drew, etc.
Let's review Bush's propensity to "bust off" a "long" play from scrimmage ...
I'm going to define a "long" play as a play that goes for 10 yards or more from scrimmage.
Bush has 37 runs of 10 yards or more [2006, 2007, 2008].
McAllister has 30 runs of 10 yards or more [2006, 2007, 2008].
Thomas has 22 runs of 10 yards or more [2007, 2008].
Bush had a 8.9% chance to "bust" one.
McAllister had a 8.0% chance to "bust" one.
Thomas had a 12.3% chance to "bust" one.
Bush has 60 receptions of 10 yards or more [2006, 2007, 2008].
McAllister has 12 receptions of 10 yards or more [2006, 2007, 2008].
Thomas has 22 receptions of 10 yards or more [2007, 2008].
Bush had 20.5% chance to "bust" one.
McAllister had a 18.8% chance to "bust" one.
Thomas has a 34.4% chance to "bust" one.
From a touches perspective ...
Bush had 13.7% chance to "bust" one.
McAllister had a 9.6% chance to "bust" one.
Thomas has a 18.1% chance to "bust" one.
Bush is not even able to produce better than Thomas ... let alone the likes of D. Williams, A. Peterson, M. Jones-Drew, etc.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Sadly it seems to be my lot in life.
jurb26
Footballguy
Why are you using 10 yds as the baseline when in the NFL (and football in general) a big play is considered 20 yds or more?FWIW, I don't even bother to read Fanatic's post on Bush anymore. I stopped reading them about a year ago to be honest. He has an agenda with Bush and it's rather clear.
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Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Pick any number you want as a baseline. Really, ANY number. When you compare Bush to Thomas on a per opportunity basis, Thomas will be ahead every time in every situation. Big plays running, big plays receiving, receptions per target, first downs, touch downs, overall production on 1st downs, on 2nd downs, on 3rd downs, on 4th downs, in short yardage situations, points scored while in the game, wins and losses when starting, etc. You name it. The ONLY areas where Bush is "superior" are salary and draft position. Those are also the reasons he has been given as many opportunities as he has. No front office wants to have a "bust" on their resume, so the high picks get a lot more chances than the lower picks. But eventually, productive guys play.I can't speak for Fanatic, but I certainly don't "hate" Reggie Bush. I drafted him as a rookie in one league and was as excited about him as everybody else was (though I had some reservations). I just happen to think his skills are vastly overrated (based on watching him and on his factual production) and that he will be phased out of the running game in favor of guys who do more with their opportunities if the team wants to win games and finally get back to the playoffs.
Your using a 6 game sample for PT where he played some of the worst defenses in the NFL and wasn't the focus of any defensive game plans.His sample consists of being in the possible situation he could have fell into.
lots of no name scrubs have had a few good games against horrific defenses only to show their true colors the next season.
jurb26
Footballguy
There's no room for this kind of common sense in a Bush thread.....
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
sadly its because of his injury history and the fear that he will get injured again or that hes lost it... if he ends this next season on IR his future is in some serious doubt IMO. Not sure what happened at end of last season, it seemed he wanted to play in his game; I remember him and Payton had a fight on the sideline and Reggie tossed his equipment... maybe they told him there wasn't going to be playoffs this yr anyway and hes done. But Reggie has to do whatever it takes to finish this yr... if he finishes 3 yrs in a row on IR even I'll lose my faith in him.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
I'm using career numbers for both players (about 14 games with significant action for Thomas, plus some other games with a few carries here and there), can't really give you more than that - it's not like I'm cherry picking. I guess he didn't face stalwarts like Denver, SF, Oakland and SD (all of whom Bush faced last year during his "awesome" stretch when the team was losing). The focus thing is funny because I always hear about how teams "game plan for" Bush and "have to account for him at all times", when the fact is they don't, and haven't for quite some time. They are more than happy to have Bush catch a ball for 6 yards on 3rd and 10. If he "breaks one", he breaks one - but he is LESS likely per carry (or reception) to do so than almost any starting back in the league. No need to game plan for that, unless you are actually planning to find ways to make sure Bush DOES get the ball.It's not like I think Pierre Thomas is a super-back. Far from it. I think he is reasonably talented and good in the NO system. It's just that Bush makes him LOOK like a super-back. I think there are a LOT of backs who would look good in that system. Unfortunately, Bush isn't one of them.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I'll counter your argument of cherry picking his stats the way you did. See, Reggie only put up about 50 yards per game last year. You can't just dismiss the games he missed as if they don't count toward anything. Last I checked injured players don't help an NFL or FFB team win.
I believe I said the only ting that has held him back is injuries, didn't I?
I believe I said the only ting that has held him back is injuries, didn't I?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
What held him back from being outperformed by every other RB on the team playing behind the exact same line, in the exact same O and against the exact same teams?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Oh the irony. There is all sorts of common sense. All sorts of logical statistical evidence that shows that Bush is not a great RB. The counters to this are, "check out this highlight reel of him on you tube and tell me he isn't great," or, "I'm a Saints homer and have seen every game and from my recliner I know he is a great back."The first only shows highlights and not him getting stuffed for a 2 yard loss as he tries to get around the LB.The second is homerism. People who make these arguments have nothing but anecdotal evidence and completely disregard common sense. You talk about my agenda? I said he was not going to be all that good before he started a game and got thrashed. Every year he underperforms my point rings more and more true yet there are still people out there that think he is the greatest thing ever. He's fun to watch when he gets to run more than a couple of yards. He's got some pretty good hands. Probably the second best on the team at RB. But he's just not that good of a RB. And I have yet to see a solid argument as such other than rolleyes and arm chair QB's who are experts at evaluating talent from the lazy boy with a beer in hand...jurb26 said:
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I will say again, before Reggie got hurt he was averaging 95 yards a game and was the #1 rb in fantasy football, that's more yards a game or points than P. Thomas was averaging when he was the only man getting touches. Why is this so hard for you to understand.If you want to say Reggie isn't reliable to count on for a whole year because he is too fragile and always gets hurt I can't disagree with that.TheFanatic said:
My arguement was and still is injuries are the only thing that holds him back. I'm not cherry picking at all here. When Reggie is on the field he is a "great" fantasy and NFL player. When is isn't on the field of course he hurts a team (fantasy and NFL standards) but since you can't predict injury, you can't assume he will be hurt this year. Now even myself as a Reggie owner in a dynsty league would be lying if I didn't say I have concerns and my own disbeliefs that he will make it through the year due to years' past.
However, I will always stick to my beliefs that when he plays he is a monster in fantasy football and also is a great weapon for the New Orleans Saints.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
even in most Non-PPR Leagues, Bush was in the top 3 for the 1st 6 weeks... so his ADP is good value.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
My league is a non-ppr, very traditional scoring league and he was the #1 rb going into week 7.Think what he could have done if he had any talent
it might be hard to understand because you are wrong.... in his last 7 games of the year (after the bye week when he was featured) Thomas averaged 105.3 yards/game and 18.2 fantasy points/game. In Bush's first 6.5 games he averaged 101.5 yards/game and 14.8 fantasy points.For the record, I tend to think Bush is a little undervalued this year.
Dancing Bear
Footballguy
Don't know what your scoring system is Blackjacks, but Reggie Bush had this status with standard scoring for RB's according to Footballguys.comWk 1 - RB3Wk 2 - RB8Wk 3 - RB4Wk 4 - RB5Wk 5 - RB7Wk 6 - RB7Wk 7 - RB8On top of that during these 7 games he averaged a whooping 3.4 ypc!There is no way he was RB1 under any reasonable non-ppr scoring system.
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