Player Spotlight: Reggie Bush (1 Viewer)

[TheFanatic]

I also put blame on the Oline as well as FB for Reggie not running good between the tackles. That was one of the reasons Karney was let go. He was not to keen on blocking for Bush and one dimensional. Many times Bush had a defender in his face as soon as he got the ball. Enter Evans and watch Bush run through the defenses.

I believe that Thomas would've had even better numbers last year if he had a better o-line blocking in front of him. That was one of the reasons Karney was let go. He was not to keen on blocking for Thomas and one dimensional. The O-line kept Thomas from having even better numbers than Bush than he already did last year. pssst... cuz, see, the o-line blocked for Thomas too

 

[eliasartigue]

There wasnt many times when a defender was in the backfield waiting for Thomas either. Here is something else for you to chew on. Tomas was fed the ball inside the 5yd line 3 times and couldn't score. Now that does go through the Oline but Bush would have scored without a doubt.

 

[TheFanatic]

There wasnt many times when a defender was in the backfield waiting for Thomas either. Here is something else for you to chew on. Tomas was fed the ball inside the 5yd line 3 times and couldn't score. Now that does go through the Oline but Bush would have scored without a doubt.

This is why debating this topic with people with man crushes on Reggie is just impossible. Just because you love the guy does not mean you can pretend to know what would've happened if he were in the same situation. In fact the two players you mentioned were in very similar situations and Reggie had his best 6 game run of his career and Thomas happened to out class him in every category with his 6 game run that season. This is extremely weak support for Reggie...

 

[eliasartigue]

Ok so you think Pierre is better and statistically speaking he is but name one NFL team that would take Pierre over Reggie right now minus the injuries.

Reggie will get more carries this year. If he gets injured again or fails to produce carrying the rock then I might think he wont be a top 10 rb. Like I mentioned earlier Westbrook and Tiki both took awhile to produce. Injuries are part of the game and cannot be used to predict a players season.

If you saw the Carolina game last year when Reggie ran the rock he was tearing it up and got injured. Had he not got injured he would have had over 4 yards a carry. Now its only one game but he can run the ball when used the right way. Many times the call is a sweep or some gimmick play designed for the outside. Bush would be better suited to be on the field with Thomas like we had in 06.

Also while Pierre has better stats he still gets injured the same. This is Reggie's year so if you don't like him on your team then don't draft him. I will if I have the chance. Word is they plan on using him like Faulk was used with the Rams and have consulted Faulk on this.

 

[Blackjacks]

STATReggie averaged just under a 100 yards a game and a td when on the field last year

Gotta love this guy saying that others cherry pick stats and play with the numbers!!! Keep trying Tim.

what are you talking about? you say choose a real stat and I chose the most telling stat that isn't flawed in any way and you say I'm cherry picking how is stating what the guy did on the field statically cherry picking???????

 

[TheFanatic]

STATReggie averaged just under a 100 yards a game and a td when on the field last year

Gotta love this guy saying that others cherry pick stats and play with the numbers!!! Keep trying Tim.

what are you talking about? you say choose a real stat and I chose the most telling stat that isn't flawed in any way and you say I'm cherry picking how is stating what the guy did on the field statically cherry picking???????

Oh, I don't know. Reggie has 3 partial years of stats. You choose the string of his best 6 to try to prove a point. You don't look at his career stats, just his best 6 games. And the funniest part is that if you look at it either way, career vs career, or best 6 vs best 6 Thomas is still better. As well as TD/game, YPR, YPC, Fumbles per game, and on and on and on and on and on and on. At this point I picture you Tim as the internet equivalent of a little kid with his fingers in his ears droning loudly, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!"Do you honestly believe that one cherry picked stat stands up to all the evidence in this thread that counters your position time and time again? 6 games?

 

[TheFanatic]

If you saw the Carolina game last year when Reggie

Stop doing this. I can pull out great single games by horrendous running backs all over the place as well as horrible games from great RB's. e McClain had 139 yards rushing against Dallas last year. William Green had 115 and 145 yards back to back in 2003. Tim Biakabutuka has back to back 132 and 142 yard games in 1999. In 1994 Barry Sanders had back to back games where he had 42 and 45 yards rushing. He went for 1883 on the ground that year. Jamal Lewis went for a paltry 69 yards week 1 in 2003. In week 2 he ran for 295. He ran for 2066 yards that year. You can cite a game here and a game there but in the end a single game here and there does not define a player.

 

[Blackjacks]

STATReggie averaged just under a 100 yards a game and a td when on the field last year

Gotta love this guy saying that others cherry pick stats and play with the numbers!!! Keep trying Tim.

what are you talking about? you say choose a real stat and I chose the most telling stat that isn't flawed in any way and you say I'm cherry picking how is stating what the guy did on the field statically cherry picking???????

Oh, I don't know. Reggie has 3 partial years of stats. You choose the string of his best 6 to try to prove a point. You don't look at his career stats, just his best 6 games. And the funniest part is that if you look at it either way, career vs career, or best 6 vs best 6 Thomas is still better. As well as TD/game, YPR, YPC, Fumbles per game, and on and on and on and on and on and on. At this point I picture you Tim as the internet equivalent of a little kid with his fingers in his ears droning loudly, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!"Do you honestly believe that one cherry picked stat stands up to all the evidence in this thread that counters your position time and time again? 6 games?

So I was going off last years' stats to show how he was doing good when healthy last year and that is cherry picking....okayQuestion Scotty, when your evaluting DeAngelo Williams this year are you going to look at his overall career stats or his breakout year last year?I don't argue that Pierre has better stats, the proof is obviously there on paper. I just disagree with you that Reggie isn't a good all around player and will lose his spot on the team due to lack of production. Again, if you say you don't like Reggie this year cause you think he will get hurt you can say that (can't predict injuries but whatever) but when he is on the field he helps the team and he is an awesome fantasy guy. I will continue to think that as long as he is producing when he is on the field

 

[Blackjacks]

Oh, I don't know. Reggie has 3 partial years of stats.

Reggie played his whole rookie year.......am I cherry picking here also or did you misspeak?

 

[Balance]

STATReggie averaged just under a 100 yards a game and a td when on the field last year

Gotta love this guy saying that others cherry pick stats and play with the numbers!!! Keep trying Tim.

what are you talking about? you say choose a real stat and I chose the most telling stat that isn't flawed in any way and you say I'm cherry picking how is stating what the guy did on the field statically cherry picking???????

Oh, I don't know. Reggie has 3 partial years of stats. You choose the string of his best 6 to try to prove a point. You don't look at his career stats, just his best 6 games. And the funniest part is that if you look at it either way, career vs career, or best 6 vs best 6 Thomas is still better. As well as TD/game, YPR, YPC, Fumbles per game, and on and on and on and on and on and on. At this point I picture you Tim as the internet equivalent of a little kid with his fingers in his ears droning loudly, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!"Do you honestly believe that one cherry picked stat stands up to all the evidence in this thread that counters your position time and time again? 6 games?

you seem upset....

 

[Blackjacks]

STAT

Reggie averaged just under a 100 yards a game and a td when on the field last year

Gotta love this guy saying that others cherry pick stats and play with the numbers!!! Keep trying Tim.

what are you talking about? you say choose a real stat and I chose the most telling stat that isn't flawed in any way and you say I'm cherry picking

how is stating what the guy did on the field statically cherry picking???????

Oh, I don't know. Reggie has 3 partial years of stats. You choose the string of his best 6 to try to prove a point. You don't look at his career stats, just his best 6 games. And the funniest part is that if you look at it either way, career vs career, or best 6 vs best 6 Thomas is still better. As well as TD/game, YPR, YPC, Fumbles per game, and on and on and on and on and on and on. At this point I picture you Tim as the internet equivalent of a little kid with his fingers in his ears droning loudly, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!"

Do you honestly believe that one cherry picked stat stands up to all the evidence in this thread that counters your position time and time again? 6 games?

you seem upset....

You have to talk loud when no one listens

 

[prgromek]

splitsville with Kim K.

I just bumped him up a couple spots

 

[skillz]

splitsville with Kim K.I just bumped him up a couple spots

 

[TheFanatic]

You have to talk loud when no one listens

Oh, how accurate is that statement. The evidence in this thread is so overwhelmingly against Bush being anywhere near a stud NFL running back but you seem to ignore every single valid argument and like to rely on your keen eye for NFL talent (how many games have you seen?) and highlight reels on youtube. You have not listened to a word in this thread and have gotten soundly crushed by about 10 different posters. The only people on your side are NO homers and the guys you are having a Reggie circle jerk with on opening day. We don't need to talk louder. The evidence speaks for itself. You have chosen not to listen. That's your right. Accusing others of cherry picking and playing with the numbers is pretty ridiculous and more than hypocritical, but by all means ignore the evidence. Or in this case the proper spelling seems to be evidense.

 

[Shawnky]

You have to talk loud when no one listens

Oh, how accurate is that statement. The evidence in this thread is so overwhelmingly against Bush being anywhere near a stud NFL running back but you seem to ignore every single valid argument and like to rely on your keen eye for NFL talent (how many games have you seen?) and highlight reels on youtube. You have not listened to a word in this thread and have gotten soundly crushed by about 10 different posters. The only people on your side are NO homers and the guys you are having a Reggie circle jerk with on opening day. We don't need to talk louder. The evidence speaks for itself. You have chosen not to listen. That's your right. Accusing others of cherry picking and playing with the numbers is pretty ridiculous and more than hypocritical, but by all means ignore the evidence. Or in this case the proper spelling seems to be evidense.

You sir are one over-opinionated buffoon. I've read through these pages, and the only thing you've validated is that you hate Bush and he averages under 4 yards a carry. If you owned him (ppr league) you'd know he is fantasy gold! Only problem is he can't stay healthy. Barring injury, he will outperform his adp, easily!

 

[Blackjacks]

You have to talk loud when no one listens

Oh, how accurate is that statement. The evidence in this thread is so overwhelmingly against Bush being anywhere near a stud NFL running back but you seem to ignore every single valid argument and like to rely on your keen eye for NFL talent (how many games have you seen?) and highlight reels on youtube. You have not listened to a word in this thread and have gotten soundly crushed by about 10 different posters. The only people on your side are NO homers and the guys you are having a Reggie circle jerk with on opening day. We don't need to talk louder. The evidence speaks for itself. You have chosen not to listen. That's your right. Accusing others of cherry picking and playing with the numbers is pretty ridiculous and more than hypocritical, but by all means ignore the evidence. Or in this case the proper spelling seems to be evidense.

You sir are one over-opinionated buffoon. I've read through these pages, and the only thing you've validated is that you hate Bush and he averages under 4 yards a carry. If you owned him (ppr league) you'd know he is fantasy gold! Only problem is he can't stay healthy. Barring injury, he will outperform his adp, easily!

Another one that totally agrees wih you Scotty.Man, I hate getting torched by everyone like this

Name calling isn't cool (well deserved in some instances) but not cool

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

You have to talk loud when no one listens

Oh, how accurate is that statement. The evidence in this thread is so overwhelmingly against Bush being anywhere near a stud NFL running back but you seem to ignore every single valid argument and like to rely on your keen eye for NFL talent (how many games have you seen?) and highlight reels on youtube. You have not listened to a word in this thread and have gotten soundly crushed by about 10 different posters. The only people on your side are NO homers and the guys you are having a Reggie circle jerk with on opening day. We don't need to talk louder. The evidence speaks for itself. You have chosen not to listen. That's your right. Accusing others of cherry picking and playing with the numbers is pretty ridiculous and more than hypocritical, but by all means ignore the evidence. Or in this case the proper spelling seems to be evidense.

You sir are one over-opinionated buffoon.

Listen everyone that knows Fanatic knows that he comes across have some sort of expertise on every subject, but to call the guy a buffoon is a little over the top. IMO its pretty simple, like it or not before Bush got hurt last season he was one of the top 10 backs in standard scoring FF Leagues. In PPR leagues he was top 5. People can like Thomas and believe he is going to do well and then still say that Bush will have a major impact on this offense. Like it or not Bush will get a ton of touches in this offense and by the sheer number of opportunity's he will put up decent FANTASY numbers if he can stay healthy. Remember... the key word being fantasy.

 

[TheFanatic]

You have to talk loud when no one listens

Oh, how accurate is that statement. The evidence in this thread is so overwhelmingly against Bush being anywhere near a stud NFL running back but you seem to ignore every single valid argument and like to rely on your keen eye for NFL talent (how many games have you seen?) and highlight reels on youtube. You have not listened to a word in this thread and have gotten soundly crushed by about 10 different posters. The only people on your side are NO homers and the guys you are having a Reggie circle jerk with on opening day. We don't need to talk louder. The evidence speaks for itself. You have chosen not to listen. That's your right. Accusing others of cherry picking and playing with the numbers is pretty ridiculous and more than hypocritical, but by all means ignore the evidence. Or in this case the proper spelling seems to be evidense.

You sir are one over-opinionated buffoon.

Listen everyone that knows Fanatic knows that he comes across have some sort of expertise on every subject, but to call the guy a buffoon is a little over the top. IMO its pretty simple, like it or not before Bush got hurt last season he was one of the top 10 backs in standard scoring FF Leagues. In PPR leagues he was top 5. People can like Thomas and believe he is going to do well and then still say that Bush will have a major impact on this offense. Like it or not Bush will get a ton of touches in this offense and by the sheer number of opportunity's he will put up decent FANTASY numbers if he can stay healthy. Remember... the key word being fantasy.

I appreciate the backup Buddy Ball. And I agree whole heartedly. The guy will get opportunity like he has for 3 years. And he has done well with that opportunity Fantasy wise when he has been healthy. But NFL wise his stats are woefully bad except in receiving of which those are just average. More of a quantity of catches over quality of catches. But sooner or later he has to stay healthy and run better to be a great NFL RB. Because so far he has not done either. He has done really well in terms of Fantasy do to sheer quantity of touches but has been mediocre at best in terms of being an NFL Running back. Anyone without blinders on can see that. At some point the Reggie as a starter at RB experiment will have to end and he will be relegated to a complimentary role if he does not stay on the field and run better.

And Shawnky, a well thought out post with valid evidence disproving my arguments and the arguments of many other posters here. So now we have, "Watch the games," and, "you have to see the youtube highlight reels," and, "but he had 6 really good games." and now, "you're an opinionated buffoon," from the Reggie Lovers camp. Bravo fellas. Doing this board proud with your sound insight and valid arguments.

Still looking for anything valid to counter the points in this post from Holy Schneikes.

Or this post, also by Holy Schneikes again with valid statistical evidence.

Or this post by Dancing Bear with even more statistical evidence.

Or this post by Mr. Yudkin

Or this one by TheDirtyWord

Or this one by Dancing Bear

All of these posts were made before post 142 where the BJ's posted this:

I do think this post is a little misleading due to playing the #'s you want to but I am finally glad that the Anti-Bush bandwagon is finally finding stats to post instead of "cause I said so" comments.

"Cause I said so?" Oh, the hypocrisy!!!

 

[-jb-]

Can we get a Fanatic vs. Blackjacks forum?

 

[drew726]

Contract year and breaking up with Kim. I'm beginning to like my chances for Reggie as a 3rd rounder.

 

[TheFanatic]

Contract year and breaking up with Kim. I'm beginning to like my chances for Reggie as a 3rd rounder.

I honestly think those are two positives for Reggie. More focus on football hopefully. Also, hopefully more focus on rehabbing the knee. That surgery is no joke...

 

[valhallan]

I wonder why FBG chose Bush for a spotlight. Seems like he's much more suited for a Faceoff article.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Contract year and breaking up with Kim. I'm beginning to like my chances for Reggie as a 3rd rounder.

I honestly think those are two positives for Reggie. More focus on football hopefully.

In all fairness to Reggie, there is now way any true man could concentrate on football with that pa dunk-a-dunk in his face all of the time.

 

[Blackjacks]

Can we get a Fanatic vs. Blackjacks forum?

I think we already have one this year and I think we had one last year and the year before that and as long as he preforms above average again this year you can guarantee I'll be ready to stick up for him again next year.And the good news is I can guarantee the fanatic will be in again next year. Reggie could be the overall #1 player in fantasy football and he'd put his magical (makes sense from his perspective) spin on the situation adn be ready to argue again. Scotty, I look forward to it.This is what I don't get about your last arguement. If getting so many catches is so easy why is Reggie usually leading or close to leading the league each year when he is playing. You would think all the other guys in the league would be close to him since its so easy.

 

[Steelfan7]

worst. spotlight. ever.

 

[bocksheesh]

worst. spotlight. ever.

Totally. Terrible spot light.Let's refocus the discussion a bit here. Where we at now with Reggie Bush? I've seen him dropping well into the 4th round of drafts now. Is that possible?

 

[C-Bound]

worst. spotlight. ever.

Totally. Terrible spot light.Let's refocus the discussion a bit here. Where we at now with Reggie Bush? I've seen him dropping well into the 4th round of drafts now. Is that possible?

Its possible...I took him at 4.7 last night my PPR league and several questioned it. I would love to play him vs. Detroit wk1 over M. Turner.

 

[Grahamburn]

worst. spotlight. ever.

Totally. Terrible spot light.Let's refocus the discussion a bit here. Where we at now with Reggie Bush? I've seen him dropping well into the 4th round of drafts now. Is that possible?

58th overall/6.8 in a ten team .5 PPR league.I don't like Reggie all that much, but I had a difficult time passing on him at that spot. He will score fantasy points in that offense, and I have no problem taking him as a RB3, especially now that Pierre Thomas has a strained MCL.If he's still going in the 4th round as a RB2 he isn't worth the risk, but he seems to be falling rapidly.

 

[TheFanatic]

So bickering about Bush to where he was drafted in a few random leagues? I guess it's an improvement, but not much...

 

[Grahamburn]

So bickering about Bush to where he was drafted in a few random leagues? I guess it's an improvement, but not much...

Let it go dude...

 

[Ripleys]

I took him at 4.1 last night in a 12 team, 1 PPR redraft league. Guy averaged 17+ per game last year. If he just stays on the field, you're looking at a early 1st round RB production wise for a 4th round price. Not bad!

 

[Darko M]

I'll take him at 3.10 if he falls to me. I doubt he will though.

 

[TheFanatic]

So bickering about Bush to where he was drafted in a few random leagues? I guess it's an improvement, but not much...

Let it go dude...

It seems I have, but random draft selections of this guy is not very informative either... I haven't baited the hook with the man crushers for a few weeks now. But this is not really helping much. Aggregate figures of ADP is useful showing him dropping or rising. Some guy saying he got him at 4.10 in his league that could be an 8 team or 14 team league, PPR or not, is not all that helpful, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Maven]

I got Bush at 6.1 in a 12 teamer 2 weeks ago...

 

[Sweetness_34]

I got him at 4.04 (serpentine 12 team draft) in a 1 PPR league after getting LT2, Fitz and Colston with my top 3 picks. I am doing cart wheels right now....Bush's PPG is very compelling in a 1 PPR league. Same argument as Steven Jackson....if he is injured, just find someone else to play instead from your depth. But when he is playing, he is guaranteed 1st round production.

 

[Aardvarks]

Bush is fine, don't let these Twitterish injury reports fool you. He's quietly had his best offseason and camp ever. They are resting him, extra-extra cautious... Trust me I know people with New Orleans.

680 yards rushing

4 rush TDs

78 catches, 695 yards

5 rec TDs

maybe another Td off a punt

 

[Grahamburn]

So bickering about Bush to where he was drafted in a few random leagues? I guess it's an improvement, but not much...

Let it go dude...

It seems I have, but random draft selections of this guy is not very informative either... I haven't baited the hook with the man crushers for a few weeks now. But this is not really helping much. Aggregate figures of ADP is useful showing him dropping or rising. Some guy saying he got him at 4.10 in his league that could be an 8 team or 14 team league, PPR or not, is not all that helpful, wouldn't you agree?

Sure, I agree.He's falling. I still don't know how valuable he'll be considering he'll probably be hurt all year.

 

[TheFanatic]

So bickering about Bush to where he was drafted in a few random leagues? I guess it's an improvement, but not much...

Let it go dude...

It seems I have, but random draft selections of this guy is not very informative either... I haven't baited the hook with the man crushers for a few weeks now. But this is not really helping much. Aggregate figures of ADP is useful showing him dropping or rising. Some guy saying he got him at 4.10 in his league that could be an 8 team or 14 team league, PPR or not, is not all that helpful, wouldn't you agree?

Sure, I agree.He's falling. I still don't know how valuable he'll be considering he'll probably be hurt all year.

Not biting. I've decided to leave the Bush bashing business for a while. Not much use till the season starts and I even leave it alone then...

 

[TitusIII]

I got him for $12 in a $285 salary cap auction league with defensive players(most of them go for $1 or $2)....

Almost 30 backs went for a higher price, seemed to good to be true.

With that being said, microfracture surgery is pretty much the dagger to the heart of an NFL player's career(and I have to think it's a sword to RB's and WR's). I'll be extremely surprised if he has NOT lost a significant amount of agility/speed/etc...hope I'm wrong!

 

[BILLY_THE_BULL]

Let's just leave Matt Forte out of all this hubbub.

People are very quick to label players as injury prone and the truth is that sometimes it does make sense but that doesn't mean that those particular players can't ever play a full 16 game schedule or not be successful doing so.

Take a look at this running back. He missed 24 games his first 4 seasons in the NFL. That is the equivalent to playing just 10 games a year. His name, Fragile Fred and boy is that a name that he earned and earned well. Now I am not comparing the type of runner or player Bush and Taylor are but just how they are looked at due to their penchant for injury. All that Fragile Fred Taylor did in his next 3 years was play in 46 of 48 games but there is more to it then just playing in those games. He put it all together and in those 3 years combined accumulated 5233 combined yards which equaled over 1700 yards per year. The point is that you have to be wary of injuries and players that have a penchant for getting injured but to just write them off for good isn't always a very wise thing to do.

Bush is a risk-reward running back for sure and because of that some people will love or hate him. That I can accept but the one thing in this thread that doesn't really make much sense is the argument about Bush not being a good running back. The thing is that this is a thread about fantasy football and as far as I can tell it is about this year and not about a dynasty or keeper ranking or predictions so talking about the Saints moving on in the future if Bush continues to struggle running the ball makes no sense to me. Even some that have said he isn't good have said the team continues to force him the ball. If I was a Bush owner I would be giddy knowing the Saints are going to force feed the ball to him. Another thing people need to realize is how Bush affects the opposing defense when he is on the field. He has to be accounted for and that in turn does help to open things up for the other players so while his yard per carry can be measured I don't think you can completely measure Bush's success and impact on the Saints just by his stats line.

 

[two_dollars]

His percieved value is low, his actual value is high.

10 team PPR tonight, I got him at 6.10 to back up MJD (1.01) and Gore (2.10).

 

[jon_mx]

Reggie's value is in his receiving. If you get points for receptions, Reggie will score more points catching the ball than most starting RB's will rushing. 85 catches, 750 yards, 5 TDs. Add another 550 yards rushing and a few more TD's, and he be easily a Top 15-20 RB. Very solid RB2 numbers, being drafted as a RB3/RB4.

 

[Breesisdaman]

I don't think Bush would fall that far, but if he did I would have no problem with that team.

I got him in the 9th round in a 12 man league made up of mostly Saints fans

 

[damageinc]

The issue with bush is that alot of people saw him as a RB1 and that did not pan out so they dismiss him. BUT he fallen into the RB3-4 range and thats ridiculous.Before the injury last year he was putting up good numbers. In a PPR leagues hes a Stud #2 back ( borderline 1 in best case) and in a non PPR league hes still a good 2 and Terriffic 3. He will catch upwards of 80+ receptions and still get 5-8 carries a game. good chance Bush gets 15 touches a game. Its just the perception that hes a bust. he is a #1fantasy back bust but as a #2 that you can get in later rounds hes terriffic. and if Thomas is out any extended time he will get even more carries ( sharing with Bell) .

 

[Judge Smails]

Let's just leave Matt Forte out of all this hubbub.People are very quick to label players as injury prone and the truth is that sometimes it does make sense but that doesn't mean that those particular players can't ever play a full 16 game schedule or not be successful doing so.Take a look at this running back. He missed 24 games his first 4 seasons in the NFL. That is the equivalent to playing just 10 games a year. His name, Fragile Fred and boy is that a name that he earned and earned well. Now I am not comparing the type of runner or player Bush and Taylor are but just how they are looked at due to their penchant for injury. All that Fragile Fred Taylor did in his next 3 years was play in 46 of 48 games but there is more to it then just playing in those games. He put it all together and in those 3 years combined accumulated 5233 combined yards which equaled over 1700 yards per year. The point is that you have to be wary of injuries and players that have a penchant for getting injured but to just write them off for good isn't always a very wise thing to do.Bush is a risk-reward running back for sure and because of that some people will love or hate him. That I can accept but the one thing in this thread that doesn't really make much sense is the argument about Bush not being a good running back. The thing is that this is a thread about fantasy football and as far as I can tell it is about this year and not about a dynasty or keeper ranking or predictions so talking about the Saints moving on in the future if Bush continues to struggle running the ball makes no sense to me. Even some that have said he isn't good have said the team continues to force him the ball. If I was a Bush owner I would be giddy knowing the Saints are going to force feed the ball to him. Another thing people need to realize is how Bush affects the opposing defense when he is on the field. He has to be accounted for and that in turn does help to open things up for the other players so while his yard per carry can be measured I don't think you can completely measure Bush's success and impact on the Saints just by his stats line.

Comparing Bush to FT potentially regarding overcoming injuries later in his career? Maybeeeee. After all, he hasn't played a down in pre-season and supposedly is icing his knee every day. Not a good start in my opinion. Comparing Bush to FT as a pure runner in the NFL? Ludicrous. FT was always destined to be a featured stud RB in the NFL. Not so with Bush.

 

[OnTheReg]

With Pierre "questionable" week 1, Bush might be worth a start as RB2 in a PPR league. Anyone else considering?

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

With Pierre "questionable" week 1, Bush might be worth a start as RB2 in a PPR league. Anyone else considering?

If Bush is healthy, he's an every week starter in a PPR league.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Pierre thomas has a sprained MCL. What exactly is a SPRAINED MCL? A sprain is where the fibers in the ligamnent have torn, but the ligament itself is still intact. There are 3 grades of MCL injuries. Grade I is a few fibers torn. Grade II more fibers torn but ligament is still intact and Grade III where the ligament is completely torn. Treatment for I and II grades are braces, ice packs, rest, etc. Grade III (torn MCL) is surgery. Depending on if PT has a grade I or II sprain the recovery time can range from 3-6 weeks. Grade III is 3mo. min. and longer to resume athletics. i.e. athletes.(see Duece McAllister)

So the skinny is: Pierre Thomas could be be out until the 3rd or 4th week of the season depending on the severity of the sprain. This would be especially true if Bell and Bush can get the job done. Why hurry Pierre back in a 16 game season? Bush is now reporting he is 100% ready. As for Mike Bell, he will do fine, and if he does real well then PT could see some of his playing time shared with Mike this season( Even more than expected ).

 

[YoUnG GuNz]

With Pierre "questionable" week 1, Bush might be worth a start as RB2 in a PPR league. Anyone else considering?

Without a doubt...you start Bush in a PPR leage no matter who he is playing. He is a RB2 in PPR leagues with RB1 upside.

 

[two_dollars]

With Pierre "questionable" week 1, Bush might be worth a start as RB2 in a PPR league. Anyone else considering?

Without a doubt...you start Bush in a PPR leage no matter who he is playing. He is a RB2 in PPR leagues with RB1 upside.

Wish I could, but if for example you can only start 2 RBs, and you've already got MJD and Gore, then he has to be the RB3. (However I am considering it if MJD is still bruised up, and I kinda am leaning towards it over Gore since I want to see exactly what SF plans on doing, and if PT is out, Bush should have a lot of touches.)