Player Spotlight: Rex Grossman (1 Viewer)

[mbuehner]

IMO Grossman also brings a swagger to the offense those two players don't.

I hear this a lot about Grossman. How many points do you get for swagger? Cade Mcnown swaggered as well as anybody...

 

[Hairy Snowman]

IMO Grossman also brings a swagger to the offense those two players don't.

I hear this a lot about Grossman. How many points do you get for swagger? Cade Mcnown swaggered as well as anybody...

I think you should ask the Bears defense if Rex bringng a swagger to the offense helped them. I am pretty sure they would say yes to a man.Cade McNown NEVER threw a ball as well as Rex does. He didn't have half the arm strength. Don't think he ever led a team to the superbowl either. And yes, the swagger had something to do with that.Rex DID play a key role in the Bears making it to the superbowl last year. People who think differently are looking at a few games and not the overall picture. Rex's first full year is practically identical to Peytons first full year, yet all people do is criticize him. Peyton was cheered as the "exception" to the rookie QB rule. Rex is roundly bood for the same performance.In fact, defenses played the Bears offense differently when he was in there for a reason. And that opened things up for the running game.Im glad the entire staff has Rex ranked so low. He will be cheap in any league I play in with, IMO, tremendous upside potential.

 

[BusMan]

Grossman is way too erratic for me to consider him anything but a borderline QB2/QB3. If Benson can't handle the load and Rex is forced to pass the ball more, I could see an overall uptick in his numbers. I'd have to see positive progress from him early in the year to feel comfortable starting him on a bye week, and only then if the matchup is correct.

275/500 3400 20TD 20INT; 15-15-0

 

[rzrback77]

Chicago has for the past few years been known as a run-first, play safe, let our defense control the game sort of team. Out of the past five years, only two have featured season passing stats over 3,200 yards, which is a 200 yard per game average.

Rex Grossman was erratic in 2006, but he finished the season ranked 15th in FBG scoring and he is currently ranked 25th by the staff and projected at 22nd by Dodds. His ADP is 140 and QB25. I think that most have memories of the Monday Night Arizona game and the Super Bowl burned into their brain. As such, he is an obvious potential value play, especially in survivor type leagues where you get the highest score that your team puts up. In HTH, he is less valuable due to the erratic nature of his scores. He is still relatively young and his team could be looking to pass more in 2007. Thomas Jones is gone and their running back depth is questionable, rather than a strength.

He has added receiver options in Rookie Greg Olsen, Devin Hester, and Mark Bradley should be healthy. I think that the passing numbers should be slightly improved. Big IF, but if Rex Grossman cuts back on his stupid throws and slightly improves his completion percentage, he could be a bargain. Still not sure if I'll take the bait, but the opportunity is there.

Grossman 280 completions on 500 passes (56%) for 3350 yards (6.7 ypa) and 22 TDs with 16 Ints.

 

[mbuehner]

Rex DID play a key role in the Bears making it to the superbowl last year. People who think differently are looking at a few games and not the overall picture. Rex's first full year is practically identical to Peytons first full year, yet all people do is criticize him. Peyton was cheered as the "exception" to the rookie QB rule. Rex is roundly bood for the same performance.

Ah, yes of course, i keep forgetting Rexy is the #### Clark of quarterbacking- the eternal rookie. The upside is with the kinds of numbers being projected- this years rookie year should put him up there with Marino as the best rookie ever. I just hope he leaves something to prove for his 08 virtual rookie outing.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Rex DID play a key role in the Bears making it to the superbowl last year. People who think differently are looking at a few games and not the overall picture. Rex's first full year is practically identical to Peytons first full year, yet all people do is criticize him. Peyton was cheered as the "exception" to the rookie QB rule. Rex is roundly bood for the same performance.

Ah, yes of course, i keep forgetting Rexy is the #### Clark of quarterbacking- the eternal rookie. The upside is with the kinds of numbers being projected- this years rookie year should put him up there with Marino as the best rookie ever. I just hope he leaves something to prove for his 08 virtual rookie outing.

If you were to ask, most NFL players consider a player a rookie until he has played in his 20th game (one full season and then 4 games of the next year). But what do actual NFL players know.

 

[mbuehner]

If you were to ask, most NFL players consider a player a rookie until he has played in his 20th game (one full season and then 4 games of the next year). But what do actual NFL players know.

Did you do a survey or something? And yeh, what does what players consider for hazing and luggage carrying purposes have to do with how good a player is expected to be at what point?The whole argument was ridiculous to begin with and at this point its flat out sad. Grossman was a rookie his first year in the league like everyone else, and thats it. If Manning got tp go through 4 training camps, preseasons, sit on the sidelines and in meetings for 4 years and play a number of games, I suspect he wouldnt have thrown all those ints as a 'rookie' either. Grossman is about to turn 27 years old. Stop this treating him like a wet behind the ears kid nonsense. He's a veteran player that should be expected to perform at a high level with no excuses.

 

[el-gato-grande]

If you were to ask, most NFL players consider a player a rookie until he has played in his 20th game (one full season and then 4 games of the next year). But what do actual NFL players know.

Did you do a survey or something? And yeh, what does what players consider for hazing and luggage carrying purposes have to do with how good a player is expected to be at what point?The whole argument was ridiculous to begin with and at this point its flat out sad. Grossman was a rookie his first year in the league like everyone else, and thats it. If Manning got tp go through 4 training camps, preseasons, sit on the sidelines and in meetings for 4 years and play a number of games, I suspect he wouldnt have thrown all those ints as a 'rookie' either. Grossman is about to turn 27 years old. Stop this treating him like a wet behind the ears kid nonsense. He's a veteran player that should be expected to perform at a high level with no excuses.

I agree. And no one here in Chicago is going to buy that crap this year either. If he performs like he did last year, then the calls for Griese will be deafening. And he will be run out on a rail in the offseason. This team is too close to a championship to have the luxury of wet nursing a QB.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

If you were to ask, most NFL players consider a player a rookie until he has played in his 20th game (one full season and then 4 games of the next year). But what do actual NFL players know.

Did you do a survey or something? And yeh, what does what players consider for hazing and luggage carrying purposes have to do with how good a player is expected to be at what point?The whole argument was ridiculous to begin with and at this point its flat out sad. Grossman was a rookie his first year in the league like everyone else, and thats it. If Manning got tp go through 4 training camps, preseasons, sit on the sidelines and in meetings for 4 years and play a number of games, I suspect he wouldnt have thrown all those ints as a 'rookie' either. Grossman is about to turn 27 years old. Stop this treating him like a wet behind the ears kid nonsense. He's a veteran player that should be expected to perform at a high level with no excuses.

I agree. And no one here in Chicago is going to buy that crap this year either. If he performs like he did last year, then the calls for Griese will be deafening. And he will be run out on a rail in the offseason. This team is too close to a championship to have the luxury of wet nursing a QB.

I think my point was that he stopped being a rookie in week 14 last year. There isn't any reason not to see good things from him this year.Of course, Chicago media does tend to play up the qualities that make the town a losing sports town. The negativity surrounding the Bears, From the Ownership down to the fans, in most sports, is why Chicago has so few Championships.

We used to be the Big Town with the Small Town attitude. City of Big Shoulders.

Now, IMO, it is a city of whiners and wannabees. A city of Jay Mariottis. There is always a finger to point as to who cost you a championship and never a arm to support the people who brought you so close. Thats why the Cubs never win. Thats why the Sox can't support a winning team. And thats why the Jordan Bulls were broken up as soon as Jordan retired.

Where is my survey? Next time you see ANY NFL player ask him how long until a player is considered a vet - and if that if it is just about hazing purposes. Or maybe you just don't know any. There is reason behind why almost ALL NFL players will put the line at 20 - because there is no substitute for live fire - period.

And by the way, he wasn't able to go through a complete offseason since his "rookie" year until just last year. He has been injured and rehabbing most of his offseason times with the Bears.

But, regardless if everyone wants to blame every loss the Bears had last year on Grossman (as ludacris as that is IMO), people who are in the know know. And at the end of next season I hope you bump this post.

In fact, you might want to browse through some of the things I have posted in these forums over the years and see what percentage I have hit on. I'll stick to my record and stick with this prediction (if Rex stays healthy).

282 510 PATTs 3500 PYDs 27 PTDs 16 Ints

Rex was pulled from at least 4 games late due to blowouts (both ways) last year. I expect games to be much closer this year, therefore he should be most of the games in the 4th quarter. In addition I suspect you will see more passing in general on 3rd down (and a much higher conversion rate) with the additions of Wolfe and Olsen.

I see no reason why Rex should not EASILY surpass last years numbers.

But as more people who really hate on Rex come out, I continue to see greater and greater value. S

orry you didn't pick up Rex until after he started the year on fire last year. You were late. And, the way it sounds, you will be late again this year too.

 

[Banger]

I posted this in a Rex thread a couple weeks ago....

He melted under any pressure. Whenever he was blitzed he'd throw the ball up for grabs or well short of 1st down markers. He was fine when the Bears were playing down hill but it seemed whenever there was an obvious passing situation and there was any kind of biltz on Rex would come up with some head scratching horrible throws.

In the 1st half of the season Rex could get away with the long ball and that's what made him successful early on. As teams watched tape and took that away from him he had no consistent answer and still doesn't have one IMO. This year he will have to prove that he can dump the ball off to his 2nd/3rd option and not just the RB in the backfield (which teams were too happy to give him).

For all you saying that he was a first year starter, so was Rivers. I think everyone would agree that Rivers >>> Grossman.

I'd be interested to see what Grossman adjusted fantasy points work out to considering that they had the easiest strength of schedule in the league and the only qb's that started 16 games and had worse fantasy production were McNair, A. Smith and Carr (not good company). On football outsiders they have a stat called DVOA which stands for defense adjusted value over average which essentially breaks down every play by every QB and compares down/distance and results for every play and adjusts it by the strength of the defense. Grossman finished ranked 33rd in the NFL averaging -11.2% worse than an AVERAGE Qb.

 

[mbuehner]

Where is my survey? Next time you see ANY NFL player ask him how long until a player is considered a vet - and if that if it is just about hazing purposes. Or maybe you just don't know any. There is reason behind why almost ALL NFL players will put the line at 20 - because there is no substitute for live fire - period.

Ewww- do you know some?!?! Wow! Who's gonna finish first in fantasy this year? Who's gonna win the superbowl? If only we knew you had this kind of insider access... 'Almost all Nfl players'... right.

Edit: Btw, we all owe Jonathan Quinn a major apology. Despite being a career backup the guy has to this day only played in 19 games. I cant believe we were so tough on a 29 (now 31) year old rookie. Let's give him another shot.

 

[jurb26]

This thread looks nearly the same as last years. Same people bashing Grossman. Same people will again be wrong. There is little to no competition to take snaps away from Grossman and he was actually a pretty good fantasy option last year. His ups and downs were extreme, but I don't see them being nearly as bad for 2007 now that Grossman actually has legit NFL experience.

Passing: 492 attempts, 279 completions, 3285 yds, 24 TDs, 18 INTs

Rushing: 15 attempts, 20 yds, 0 TDs

 

[mlball77]

I think the CHI offensive line will continue to be solid and give Rex a chance to improve. I think (hope, I'm a Bears fan) that Rex will improve a bit in '07. I don't see his TDs staying so high, but I think he can cut the INTs a touch and still keep the passing yardage up. I think a fully healthy Mark Bradley and the addition of Greg Olsen might help the passing game.

3275 Passing Yards

20 Passing TDs

16 INTs

(a few lost fumbles no doubt)

25 Rushing Yards

0 Rushing TDs

 

[Sleeper 43]

This thread looks nearly the same as last years. Same people bashing Grossman. Same people will again be wrong. There is little to no competition to take snaps away from Grossman and he was actually a pretty good fantasy option last year. His ups and downs were extreme, but I don't see them being nearly as bad for 2007 now that Grossman actually has legit NFL experience. Passing: 492 attempts, 279 completions, 3285 yds, 24 TDs, 18 INTsRushing: 15 attempts, 20 yds, 0 TDs

Sorry but Greise would have done 5 x's better during all those regular season games.History shows hes capable. But I think Lovie was thinking the future is now and could risk hurting the continuity of the team so late least season to make a change.I think Rex gets rattled too easy and still thinks like a college kid. Did I mention that deer in the headlights look all the time bothers me too?

 

[jurb26]

This thread looks nearly the same as last years. Same people bashing Grossman. Same people will again be wrong. There is little to no competition to take snaps away from Grossman and he was actually a pretty good fantasy option last year. His ups and downs were extreme, but I don't see them being nearly as bad for 2007 now that Grossman actually has legit NFL experience. Passing: 492 attempts, 279 completions, 3285 yds, 24 TDs, 18 INTsRushing: 15 attempts, 20 yds, 0 TDs

Sorry but Greise would have done 5 x's better during all those regular season games.History shows hes capable. But I think Lovie was thinking the future is now and could risk hurting the continuity of the team so late least season to make a change.I think Rex gets rattled too easy and still thinks like a college kid. Did I mention that deer in the headlights look all the time bothers me too?

Again, this looks no different from last years argument.... funny to see people still waiting at the station for that Greise train to take off.

 

[mbuehner]

This thread looks nearly the same as last years. Same people bashing Grossman. Same people will again be wrong. There is little to no competition to take snaps away from Grossman and he was actually a pretty good fantasy option last year. His ups and downs were extreme, but I don't see them being nearly as bad for 2007 now that Grossman actually has legit NFL experience. Passing: 492 attempts, 279 completions, 3285 yds, 24 TDs, 18 INTsRushing: 15 attempts, 20 yds, 0 TDs

Sorry but Greise would have done 5 x's better during all those regular season games.History shows hes capable. But I think Lovie was thinking the future is now and could risk hurting the continuity of the team so late least season to make a change.I think Rex gets rattled too easy and still thinks like a college kid. Did I mention that deer in the headlights look all the time bothers me too?

Again, this looks no different from last years argument.... funny to see people still waiting at the station for that Greise train to take off.

True but the Bears had a creampuff schedule last year, even outside the NFC North. Look at the tough stretch month of November playing 3 AFC East teams and the Giants- he went 5td 7int and averaged 187 yards a game. You have to be prepared for that with Grossman- and worse its not always the matchup that matters. He had one of the worst games in recent NFL history against Arizona and had a very good game on the road agaist the Giants. There is no 'Real Rex'. The only thing consistant about him is that he's erratic.This year the schedule will be tougher and there is another year of tape for defenses to figure out how to trigger Bad Rex. First 3 games are San Diego, KC, Dallas- and they also play Philly, Denver, Seattle, Giants, Redskins, and Saints. The Bears in general better be ready for whats in store for them. Good news the Chargers are going to give them a nice wakeup call Sept 9 and we'll find out if the Super Bowl hangover is lingering. I don't like the Bears chances this year personally- which puts all the more pressure on Grossman to go out and make things happen. :(

 

[Banger]

Think about it, was there a QB put in a better position to succeed than Grossman? Good line, dominant defense, unreal special teams, easiest schedule in the league, etc. How many times did the defense or special teams make the big plays in the games with turnovers, scores, etc and how many times did Grossman have to make a big play and make it? I remember him wilting TERRIBLY much more than I came away impressed.

We saw Grossman last year in the best possible light IMO, yes he will probably improve but last year the stars were aligned for success. I didn't start out as a Grossman hater. I actually picked him up last year and rode his early success but if you really watched him and weren't alarmed by his tendencies I don't know what to say.

 

[jurb26]

Think about it, was there a QB put in a better position to succeed than Grossman? Good line, dominant defense, unreal special teams, easiest schedule in the league, etc. How many times did the defense or special teams make the big plays in the games with turnovers, scores, etc and how many times did Grossman have to make a big play and make it? I remember him wilting TERRIBLY much more than I came away impressed.We saw Grossman last year in the best possible light IMO, yes he will probably improve but last year the stars were aligned for success. I didn't start out as a Grossman hater. I actually picked him up last year and rode his early success but if you really watched him and weren't alarmed by his tendencies I don't know what to say.

Nobody is or ever has said that there is not reason for concern with Grossman. Only that he should remain the starter and that as a fantasy option he is actually not too bad. I own Grossman in 1 league. He finished as QB14 in that league (he was QB15 in standard scoring) despite all the doomsday opinions you will find here. With no competition to take away his snaps again in 2007, I'll continue to ride him for the absurdly cheap price I paid for him 2 years ago.

 

[flapgreen]

Think about it, was there a QB put in a better position to succeed than Grossman? Good line, dominant defense, unreal special teams, easiest schedule in the league, etc. How many times did the defense or special teams make the big plays in the games with turnovers, scores, etc and how many times did Grossman have to make a big play and make it? I remember him wilting TERRIBLY much more than I came away impressed.

We saw Grossman last year in the best possible light IMO, yes he will probably improve but last year the stars were aligned for success. I didn't start out as a Grossman hater. I actually picked him up last year and rode his early success but if you really watched him and weren't alarmed by his tendencies I don't know what to say.

 

[Sleeper 43]

This thread looks nearly the same as last years. Same people bashing Grossman. Same people will again be wrong. There is little to no competition to take snaps away from Grossman and he was actually a pretty good fantasy option last year. His ups and downs were extreme, but I don't see them being nearly as bad for 2007 now that Grossman actually has legit NFL experience. Passing: 492 attempts, 279 completions, 3285 yds, 24 TDs, 18 INTsRushing: 15 attempts, 20 yds, 0 TDs

Sorry but Greise would have done 5 x's better during all those regular season games.History shows hes capable. But I think Lovie was thinking the future is now and could risk hurting the continuity of the team so late least season to make a change.I think Rex gets rattled too easy and still thinks like a college kid. Did I mention that deer in the headlights look all the time bothers me too?

Again, this looks no different from last years argument.... funny to see people still waiting at the station for that Greise train to take off.

I wouldnt be waiting at the station if Griese had actually be givin the opportunity to lead the team and failed by his own doing but unfortunately it out of his control , It just the wrong time wrong place , where a HC decided the future is now and went with his youth over the vet.Can any Rex fans honestly say he met team/individual expectations? what a joke.Its like giving Al Gore credit for inventing the internet. And from what his history shows, why no respect for Griese?So i ask you, what train took off? The opportunity train that Lovie controls?

 

[jurb26]

So i ask you, what train took off? The opportunity train that Lovie controls?

No train took off. I don't think your reading the post very well.

 

[greenroom]

This thread looks nearly the same as last years. Same people bashing Grossman. Same people will again be wrong. There is little to no competition to take snaps away from Grossman and he was actually a pretty good fantasy option last year. His ups and downs were extreme, but I don't see them being nearly as bad for 2007 now that Grossman actually has legit NFL experience.

Passing: 492 attempts, 279 completions, 3285 yds, 24 TDs, 18 INTs

Rushing: 15 attempts, 20 yds, 0 TDs

Sorry but Greise would have done 5 x's better during all those regular season games.History shows hes capable.

But I think Lovie was thinking the future is now and could risk hurting the continuity of the team so late least season to make a change.

I think Rex gets rattled too easy and still thinks like a college kid. Did I mention that deer in the headlights look all the time bothers me too?

Again, this looks no different from last years argument.... funny to see people still waiting at the station for that Greise train to take off.

I wouldnt be waiting at the station if Griese had actually be givin the opportunity to lead the team and failed by his own doing but unfortunately it out of his control , It just the wrong time wrong place , where a HC decided the future is now and went with his youth over the vet.Can any Rex fans honestly say he met team/individual expectations? what a joke.

Its like giving Al Gore credit for inventing the internet.

And from what his history shows, why no respect for Griese?

So i ask you, what train took off? The opportunity train that Lovie controls?

I would say that he met the teams/individual expectations for the Bears as a starting QB. Getting to the Super Bowl. Name a better QB that the Bears have had in the last 10 years? I went thru the stats of the bears QB's and you have to go all the way back to Eric Kramer (1995) who had better numbers than Rex. I am pretty sure that if say Eli Manning had the same season as Rex and had the same results of leading his team to the Super Bowl we would not be having this discussion People that do not giving Rex credit for leading the Bears the way he did last season is like saying that there is no such thing as Global Warming?? Was Rex the most stable QB heck no, but I do think he will improve.

When has Griese led his team to a Super Bowl? Even when he had a good team in Denver, he does not have the leadership abiity to lead a NFL team.