pantagrapher
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I don't even think he hits those numbers anymore. Maybe the .300.
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shadyridr
Footballguy
lol fair enough. I was shocked he started his big league career at "21"
Men-in-Cleats
Footballguy
Anyone think Alexei Ramirez, Jhonny Peralta, or Nate McLouth have any chance of righting the ship? Not seeing many signs as of yet and these three are anchors on my roster that have kept me from picking up much more productive players (whom are now mostly gone). 12 teams starting 5 OFers or Mclouth would already be gone but I'm getting down on keeping him even in that format. I've seen a couple of these guys listed at other places as buy low candidates but I'm not sure I'm buying it and would probably trade any of them for some belly button lint and a popcorn fart.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Alexei has started off slow before and heated up along with the weather, I didn't target him in drafts because of this and am looking to buy (very) low if the opportunity presents itself.Jay-Honny is awful, just cut him, he's going to be out of baseball before the end of 2011.I don't have much on McLouth, he's always been streaky and injury prone but that was when he played every day. Now that he's not playing every day I'd be looking for the first replacement opportunity I can find, just be aware of what you're potentially giving up.
Chiwawa
Footballguy
Put me in the "Lee is toast" camp. Bad supporting cast, shrinking walk rate, K's jumped up, and his ISOP is a gross .095. Everything's being held down by a bad BABIP, but I'd lay off. He's chasing way more pitches, and swinging and missing more.I think Slowey will be OK, for whatever reason he gives up a lot of line drives, but it seems like he's tamping down the flyballs this year. I predict a mild bounceback, but nothing crazy. I'd try to snag him on the cheap.Billingsley's only getting worse across the board.Quentin set for a major bounceback. K/BB of 1, solid power when he connects, hits just aren't falling. Buy, buy, buy.Beckham's plate discipline is down, and he's not hitting for any power. I don't know why anyone would want to have anything to do with him.Finless got 2 out of 5 right.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I'd set the over/under on Lee's real age at 35. I know the O's didn't do it with Tejada (or Tejeda, whatever his real name is) and I'm sure it wouldn't work, but I'd love to see a team try to get out of a contract because a player lied about his age. I certainly wouldn't expect the Astros to try. They love throw insane amounts of money down the drain.
shadyridr
Footballguy
he was released in my league but someone with higher ww priority got him
Finless
Footballguy
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
LOL, yeah, he's really coming on strong now!His batting line over 74 at bats in May, excluding his standard 1 for 4 tonight..216/.263/.446He's also only drawn 5 walks over the 74 at bats. 5 HRs so far in May is nice, but he's still been brutal at the plate.
Rebirtha
Footballguy
He's given up 7 runs (and walked 7) in 12.2 IP since you posted that. Unimpressed.
Finless
Footballguy
Not true....I posted that during the game 3 starts ago. He had a great game, a terrible game then a near no-no.He's given up 7 runs (and walked 7) in 12.2 IP since you posted that. Unimpressed.
The General
Footballguy
I have watched a lot of his at bats this year. Those numbers from 2 years ago are not coming back.
Rebirtha
Footballguy
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Finless generally knows his baseball stuff if you ignore his Boston bias. If he pimps a Chowdah I don't pay it any attention.
Finless
Footballguy
Finless generally knows his baseball stuff if you ignore his Boston bias. If he pimps a Chowdah I don't pay it any attention.
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Date Opp W L SV IP HA ER BBA Ks05/11 TOR 1 0 0 7.0 3 1 0 905/17 @NYY 0 0 0 4.2 9 7 3 305/22 @PHI 1 0 0 8.0 1 0 4 505/27 KC 0 1 0 4.2 2 3 8 1MAC_32
Footballguy
You see 2 out of 4 great games, I see 15 BB's in 24.1 IP's.I still wouldn't touch him outside of an ONLY league.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
His k:bb ratio is awful and his BABIP has been unbelievably low. There are some ugly weeks ahead.
Finless
Footballguy
He's been looking good. Couple tough outing but walks are declining, hits are scarcer and he's going deep into games.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
His era is still over 4.5. His last three outings have been against the Indians, A's, and Royals. According to this only KC borders on decent. Yesterday was good but his other two outings were decent at best. He gave up 10 hits to Oakland in less than 7 innings. The 7 k's and no walks would be nice but the game before he walked 8 guys in less than 5 innings.He's been looking good. Couple tough outing but walks are declining, hits are scarcer and he's going deep into games.
If he strings together another decent outing I might pay attention if I were in a deeper or AL only league.
Also, his current hr ratio is fairly low - about half what it's been 2 out of his 3 years (though it's close to his 2008 numbers).
He might be in the middle of turning things around. But I'm a heavy skeptic with this guy and I think there's legitimate reasons for me to take this stance.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
That Carlos Lee guy ain't bad, is he?
Finless
Footballguy
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
LOL, why, because he's hit a few homers in the past couple weeks?He's still not very good anymore... he's had a nice couple of weeks, which was bound to happen at some point. In his fantastic stretch of games over the past 2 weeks, he's had exactly 2 multi-hit games and he's still not drawing walks. A guy his size will run into a few balls and end up with some home runs, but he's still a mediocre at best outfielder who will cost more than he'll ever be worth again.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
If you bought low looking for improvement in cats that you know he'll provide (HR / RBI), then you did the right thing. There's simply no arguing itIn the last 28 days, for OF eligible players, only Corey Hart (13) and Jose Batista (9) have provided more HR than Lee's 8Over that same 28 days for OF, only Gomes (27) Hart (26) and Kubel (25) have provided more RBIs than Lee's 23And the .270 BA that's come along with it isn't killing the savvy owner like Fin and myself that prey upon people like you and Dr. Awesome to win fantasy baseball championship after fantasy baseball championship.LOL, why, because he's hit a few homers in the past couple weeks?He's still not very good anymore... he's had a nice couple of weeks, which was bound to happen at some point. In his fantastic stretch of games over the past 2 weeks, he's had exactly 2 multi-hit games and he's still not drawing walks. A guy his size will run into a few balls and end up with some home runs, but he's still a mediocre at best outfielder who will cost more than he'll ever be worth again.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Now that Mauer's value has come back to where it should have been all along I'm pitching offers in the leagues I don't already own him in. Got him for McCann and Clippard in one, have a few different possibilities in the other but in the end will probably involve me giving Napoli and Abreu - I'm trying to resist giving up more but will probably toss an arm in there too.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
LOLPrey upon people like me, huh?I'm not getting into that here, but I'd say the success I've had in the past 15 years of playing dynasty fantasy baseball would stack up against just about anyone you know. Bragging about it on a message board is pretty lame, as is assuming you know anything more than most people on a message board like this. At this point, I play in only 20+ team, point based dynasty leagues with large minor league systems, where his value is even less than it would be in a year to year league. The teams that compete for the championship every year have better options in the outfield already, and the teams that are rebuilding couldn't care less about him. He's had a hot streak. It was bound to happen at some point because he's not a .200 hitter. I don't, however, expect him to be anything resembling what he used to be by the end of the year. And unless you can acquire for DIRT cheap, he's not a worthy trade target.If you bought low looking for improvement in cats that you know he'll provide (HR / RBI), then you did the right thing. There's simply no arguing itIn the last 28 days, for OF eligible players, only Corey Hart (13) and Jose Batista (9) have provided more HR than Lee's 8Over that same 28 days for OF, only Gomes (27) Hart (26) and Kubel (25) have provided more RBIs than Lee's 23And the .270 BA that's come along with it isn't killing the savvy owner like Fin and myself that prey upon people like you and Dr. Awesome to win fantasy baseball championship after fantasy baseball championship.LOL, why, because he's hit a few homers in the past couple weeks?He's still not very good anymore... he's had a nice couple of weeks, which was bound to happen at some point. In his fantastic stretch of games over the past 2 weeks, he's had exactly 2 multi-hit games and he's still not drawing walks. A guy his size will run into a few balls and end up with some home runs, but he's still a mediocre at best outfielder who will cost more than he'll ever be worth again.
Finless
Footballguy
Stick to football, Rodney.LOLPrey upon people like me, huh?I'm not getting into that here, but I'd say the success I've had in the past 15 years of playing dynasty fantasy baseball would stack up against just about anyone you know. Bragging about it on a message board is pretty lame, as is assuming you know anything more than most people on a message board like this. At this point, I play in only 20+ team, point based dynasty leagues with large minor league systems, where his value is even less than it would be in a year to year league. The teams that compete for the championship every year have better options in the outfield already, and the teams that are rebuilding couldn't care less about him. He's had a hot streak. It was bound to happen at some point because he's not a .200 hitter. I don't, however, expect him to be anything resembling what he used to be by the end of the year. And unless you can acquire for DIRT cheap, he's not a worthy trade target.If you bought low looking for improvement in cats that you know he'll provide (HR / RBI), then you did the right thing. There's simply no arguing itIn the last 28 days, for OF eligible players, only Corey Hart (13) and Jose Batista (9) have provided more HR than Lee's 8Over that same 28 days for OF, only Gomes (27) Hart (26) and Kubel (25) have provided more RBIs than Lee's 23And the .270 BA that's come along with it isn't killing the savvy owner like Fin and myself that prey upon people like you and Dr. Awesome to win fantasy baseball championship after fantasy baseball championship.LOL, why, because he's hit a few homers in the past couple weeks?He's still not very good anymore... he's had a nice couple of weeks, which was bound to happen at some point. In his fantastic stretch of games over the past 2 weeks, he's had exactly 2 multi-hit games and he's still not drawing walks. A guy his size will run into a few balls and end up with some home runs, but he's still a mediocre at best outfielder who will cost more than he'll ever be worth again.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Month of June
.290/.356/.505
5HR/18RBI/13R
But all uber elite, upper tier fantasy players know there's no room for that in a 20+ team dynasty league.
.290/.356/.505
5HR/18RBI/13R
But all uber elite, upper tier fantasy players know there's no room for that in a 20+ team dynasty league.
Finless
Footballguy
Que?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Tyler Colvin? This damn fool dropped him in early May for Milton Bradley because he couldn't get PT.
bucs4life_99
Footballguy
Mark Reynolds
Javier Vazquez
Adam Lind
Jake Peavy (Window might have already closed on him)
Derrek Lee
Javier Vazquez
Adam Lind
Jake Peavy (Window might have already closed on him)
Derrek Lee
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
LOL - I'd guess this is a reference to me regarding Carlos Lee.Carlos Lee had nice weeks in weeks 9 and 10. In week 11, he was terrible, and week 12 he was barely passable. As of right now, he hasn't homered since June 12th and had 4 RBIs in the past 2 weeks combined.Since that week 9/10 hot streak, he's at .279/.367/.348 over the past 2 weeks.For what it's worth, he's been dealt in 2 of my leagues in the past 2 weeks. In one league, he was dealt straight up for Aaron Crow, who's busy get ripped apart in AA right now. The team acquiring got him to be his #4 OF. In the other, he was a throw-in in a major trade involving a bunch of big names.Guys like him are easy to find and even easier to replace in fantasy baseball, even in a deep league. And guys like that aren't worth giving up much of anything for.
Finless
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Those June numbers went up again yesterday
.299/.367/.516
5HR/20RBI/13R
Over that time
rankings for June among OF
5HR - t11
20RBI - t7
13R - t27th
Among OFs with at least 75 ABs in June
.299 BA - 28
.516 SLG - 20
.367 OBP - 26
In this epic 20+ team league of yours he's looking to be around a borderline #1 / #2 OF for the month. That's why he was a buy low.
If I were to venture a guess, you're probably looking up in the standings at the guy that got him for Aaron Crow since he's getting borderline #1/#2 OF production out of the guy he has as his "#4 OF"
.299/.367/.516
5HR/20RBI/13R
Over that time
rankings for June among OF
5HR - t11
20RBI - t7
13R - t27th
Among OFs with at least 75 ABs in June
.299 BA - 28
.516 SLG - 20
.367 OBP - 26
In this epic 20+ team league of yours he's looking to be around a borderline #1 / #2 OF for the month. That's why he was a buy low.
If I were to venture a guess, you're probably looking up in the standings at the guy that got him for Aaron Crow since he's getting borderline #1/#2 OF production out of the guy he has as his "#4 OF"
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Like I said, he had 2 good weeks at the beginning of June. His last two weeks have been pretty bad for a "power hitter." Overall, his June numbers are nice, but his pace has slowed back down to where I'd expect it to be going forward. He was bound to have a hot streak at some point, and you were bound to point it out. I'm sure he'll have a few good weeks mixed in from time to time, but he's a lineup killer in a weekly league.Since June 14th, after his two week hot streak, his numbers are a very pedestrian, just like they were for the first 2 months of the season.16-54 with no HRs and 6 RBIs, a slugging percentage just below .400Does he suck? Nope, but he's very, very replaceable and those types of players SHOULD be acquired for dirt cheap in any league. They don't provide much value beyond replacement level.You're pointing to a 2 week hot streak as proof that he provides value.... I'm pointing to 2 months and the past 2 weeks that say he's not anything but mediocre, if that. He's worthless to a rebuilding team, and he's not valuable to a contender. If you think he'll hit most of the year like he did for the first 2 weeks of June, we'll agree to disagree on that one.As for my "epic" leagues, neither of my 20+ leagues are epic, but they are very competitive and deep points based leagues, not roto leagues. I gave up the 10, 12, and 14 team leagues a while ago. The guy who got Lee for Crow is a fringe contender in that league, and Lee hasn't even been in his starting lineup since he got him. He's the guy chasing me in my division, and he only got Lee for depth. The guy who dealt Lee said it was far and away the best offer he got for him from any of the 19 other owners.Limp Ditka said:
pantagrapher
Footballguy
I love this Carlos Lee thread.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Do ya?Finless made a post about Carlos Lee being a great buy low guy, and he and Limp Ditka were quick to bump it when he had his 2 good weeks. His ONLY 2 good weeks of the first half of the season so far. When I questioned it, they wrote down to me like they actually know more than me or anyone else, because I guess one or both of them consider themself an "important" poster on here? I dunno.He's been brutal to own in any weekly league, and after struggling for April and May he's been awful by any standards since mid June.Last 21 days, before his 0-4 today:.273-.347-.333 with no homers, 7 RBI's, and 6 runs. Looks a lot like Carlos Lee from the first 2 months, doesn't it?I'm sure Lee will have a 2 or 3 HR week sometime and one of them will bump it up and pump the guy up again. Fact is, he's declining, his bat speed has slowed down according to anyone who watches him consistently, and he's a very, very replaceable talent in the outfield. If someone wants to stick him in their lineup in a roto league and hope his end of year numbers will be there, all the more power to them. Must be watching a different guy than me. In a weekly league, I can't imagine a contending team anywhere doesn't have better options.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
A couple guys I'd look at dealing for who I'm expecting big 2nd halves from:
Justin Smoak - Low batting average might scare some people, but excellent line drive percentage, great power, drawing plenty of walks, but terrible BABIP luck so far. He'll get hot when things start evening out, and he'll be a fixture at 1B for a long time. He's got a huge future, but I think he'll be good enough to help contending teams over the next few months.
Chad Billingsley - A lot of people forget how good he can be, and if the reports about him relying more on his cutter are true, he can be a 2nd half stud you can acquire for a very reasonable price.
Evan Meek - The Pirates are going to improve, and there's a pretty good chance that Meek is the closer in Pittsburgh by August 1st. He's been dominant, and he's the Pirates closer of the future... or the present if Dotel is dealt. Chris Perez will also be closing by August 1st, but he's already on most people's radars.
Chris Johnson - his BB:K ratio is troubling, but he makes good contact and has plenty of pop for a 3B. At a thin position, he can help and at 25, might be better than he was expected to be.
Sam Demel - He's already the best reliever in Arizona's bullpen. I won't be suprised if he's closing games in August.
Justin Smoak - Low batting average might scare some people, but excellent line drive percentage, great power, drawing plenty of walks, but terrible BABIP luck so far. He'll get hot when things start evening out, and he'll be a fixture at 1B for a long time. He's got a huge future, but I think he'll be good enough to help contending teams over the next few months.
Chad Billingsley - A lot of people forget how good he can be, and if the reports about him relying more on his cutter are true, he can be a 2nd half stud you can acquire for a very reasonable price.
Evan Meek - The Pirates are going to improve, and there's a pretty good chance that Meek is the closer in Pittsburgh by August 1st. He's been dominant, and he's the Pirates closer of the future... or the present if Dotel is dealt. Chris Perez will also be closing by August 1st, but he's already on most people's radars.
Chris Johnson - his BB:K ratio is troubling, but he makes good contact and has plenty of pop for a 3B. At a thin position, he can help and at 25, might be better than he was expected to be.
Sam Demel - He's already the best reliever in Arizona's bullpen. I won't be suprised if he's closing games in August.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Whatever you say, man. LOL it's a baseball message board on a football site. I save my meaningful posts for Sickels' site and a few other actual baseball sites. God forbid anyone questions you with actual facts - you'll just resort to one liners. I'll just wait until Carlos Lee has his next hot streak so you can bump this again... might be a while though.
Trump
Footballguy
Clint Barmes: Has been coming on strong for a month.
Dexter Fowler: Read comments regarding his return from the minors - completely adjusted his swing - won't help with power but should help with R, SB, AVG/OBP from here on out.
Sean Rodriguez : Batting .333 over the last month with 5 HR, 19 RBI and a handful of bags.
Dexter Fowler: Read comments regarding his return from the minors - completely adjusted his swing - won't help with power but should help with R, SB, AVG/OBP from here on out.
Sean Rodriguez : Batting .333 over the last month with 5 HR, 19 RBI and a handful of bags.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Do you understand what low means?
