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Players you are avoiding, and why ? (1 Viewer)
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Brandon Marshall -- for a litany of reasons that have already been discussed on various threads.
Bernard Berrian -- speed guys with hammy problems are bad news.
Michael Crabtree in redrafts -- he's not gonna have any value this year.
Jonathan Stewart at his ADP -- injuries that persist without explanation can be trouble.
Steven Jackson in the first round -- awful team (especially O-Line), injury history.
Bernard Berrian -- speed guys with hammy problems are bad news.
Michael Crabtree in redrafts -- he's not gonna have any value this year.
Jonathan Stewart at his ADP -- injuries that persist without explanation can be trouble.
Steven Jackson in the first round -- awful team (especially O-Line), injury history.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Reggie Bush- microfracture surgery is no jokeTony Gonzalez- think his targets go down more than people thinkTomlinson- age catches up to everyone, don't want to be the one holding the bagWestbrook - dittoRoy Williams- looks a step slow to meLee Evans- Buffalo doesn't throw enough to make two WRs fantasy worthy
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
Pierre Thomas - His first name sounds too french. It puts me at odds as an American.
Roy Williams - This ####er ruined my season last year. I don't forgive and forget in FF.
Greg Camarillo - A guy in my league is his cousin. He'll be drafted before the 8th round. Too rich for my blood.
Roy Williams - This ####er ruined my season last year. I don't forgive and forget in FF.
Greg Camarillo - A guy in my league is his cousin. He'll be drafted before the 8th round. Too rich for my blood.
Pretty Solid list here.I'd also add Braylon Edwards and Marshawn Lynch as I see no value at their current ADPs
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
Joseph Addai - I'm through with this unstartable bum.
Derrick Ward - I don't think he's the starter, even if he did get a huge contract. RBBC all year with Graham.
Marion Barber - Jones and Choice should start eating into his carries. Wouldn't take him at his ADP.
Darren McFadden - Huge unknown and risk for a late third round ADP.
Eddie Royal / Brandon Marshall - Orton cannot manage this team effectively. Both receivers will suffer.
Ray Rice - Unconvinced he can be the lead back and handle the load. Would rather snag McGahee in the late rounds.
Chris Wells - Even if he becomes he starter, that doesn't mean much in Arizona.
Lance Moore - If Meachem develops, I think Moore's role greatly diminishes.
Derrick Ward - I don't think he's the starter, even if he did get a huge contract. RBBC all year with Graham.
Marion Barber - Jones and Choice should start eating into his carries. Wouldn't take him at his ADP.
Darren McFadden - Huge unknown and risk for a late third round ADP.
Eddie Royal / Brandon Marshall - Orton cannot manage this team effectively. Both receivers will suffer.
Ray Rice - Unconvinced he can be the lead back and handle the load. Would rather snag McGahee in the late rounds.
Chris Wells - Even if he becomes he starter, that doesn't mean much in Arizona.
Lance Moore - If Meachem develops, I think Moore's role greatly diminishes.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Bulger and Holt
GreenMachine51
Footballguy
Vernon Davis...I was at Maryland when he played. Simply the most dominant athlete I've ever watched in person. He sucks me in every year and this time I'm just saying NO!
Lord Fantasy
Footballguy
Anyone on Buffalo. It's a cool experiment and I wish them well, but there's something about an unproven QB running a no-huddle offense with an inexperienced O-line, a suspended, troublemaker RB, and a celebrity WR1 who may be past his prime that gives me pause.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Ray Rice - just not buying it. Don't believe McGahee & McClain are going away enough to make this guy a 4th-5th Rounder.
Matt Forte - too pricey for the risk, he may do ok, but I expect him to finish closer to 12-15th.
Chris Wells - going way too high
Michael Turner - FO predicts a big dip, they are pretty good at forecasting drops and Turner will go top 3 pricing (there are just cheaper/lower risks with good ceiling)
Matt Forte - too pricey for the risk, he may do ok, but I expect him to finish closer to 12-15th.
Chris Wells - going way too high
Michael Turner - FO predicts a big dip, they are pretty good at forecasting drops and Turner will go top 3 pricing (there are just cheaper/lower risks with good ceiling)
massraider
Footballguy
Rivers: At his ADP. Think he's a stud, but you need him to be a top 3 guy again to justify where he's going.
Ray Rice: 2010, maybe.
Addai/Brown: In order to wind up with one of these guys, you have to take him as a starter. Then hope the other guy gets hurt.
Any of the dooshbag WRs: Braylon, Brandon, Bryant......Bryant for different reasons. I can see the Bucs playing musical QBs all year long. In fact, I would BET they start three guys this year. As to Braylon and Brandon, there's just so many safer picks in the same area, and these guys don't have just the dooshbag quality, there are serious questions about both offenses.
Pierre Thomas: Really, is this your guy as a RB2 if Bush is healthy? Bush will miss time, well, OK, but what if he is healthy for the fantasy playoffs? Amazed how many people aren't just ranking him high, but are super-high on him.
Pretty much any Ram: Seems like they need to raise the overall quality of the team talent level before they can do anything.
Lance Moore: Not at that ADP. Check his numbers when Colston and Bush played. He was unstartable.
Ray Rice: 2010, maybe.
Addai/Brown: In order to wind up with one of these guys, you have to take him as a starter. Then hope the other guy gets hurt.
Any of the dooshbag WRs: Braylon, Brandon, Bryant......Bryant for different reasons. I can see the Bucs playing musical QBs all year long. In fact, I would BET they start three guys this year. As to Braylon and Brandon, there's just so many safer picks in the same area, and these guys don't have just the dooshbag quality, there are serious questions about both offenses.
Pierre Thomas: Really, is this your guy as a RB2 if Bush is healthy? Bush will miss time, well, OK, but what if he is healthy for the fantasy playoffs? Amazed how many people aren't just ranking him high, but are super-high on him.
Pretty much any Ram: Seems like they need to raise the overall quality of the team talent level before they can do anything.
Lance Moore: Not at that ADP. Check his numbers when Colston and Bush played. He was unstartable.
Binky The Doormat
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cmv5
Footballguy
A dip on those numbers are always possible. I would be careful using FO in reference to Turner. In 2008 they predicted 807 yards and 2 touchdowns for him.
Pretty Solid list here.I'd also add Braylon Edwards and Marshawn Lynch as I see no value at their current ADPs
As far as I'm concerned this is the start of a good master list.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
I'm with you. Its based on the heavy workload theory. If anyone is set to ignore that theory, its Turner. Concerns me enough that I am going with some kinds of risk. Ain't none of it non-risky.
PatytonsGhost
Footballguy
You just said no to my all fantasy team this year except Beanie Wells, good luck
CravenM
Footballguy
Roy Williams - I heard Sal Pal going off on his softness (on the radio last year) and I traded him the same week
Dolphin/Raven/Jags WRs - who to start, when and why
Any Chief - their starting OLine looked awful last week - I can't see them doing anything constructive
Raiders RBs - I see bad things for them this year
Giant/Charger WRs - who to start, the ball gets spread around too much
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Everybody on the Bucs - don't know who's going to play QB, RB, TE nor WR with 3 weeks to go? WTF?
Dolphin/Raven/Jags WRs - who to start, when and why
Any Chief - their starting OLine looked awful last week - I can't see them doing anything constructive
Raiders RBs - I see bad things for them this year
Giant/Charger WRs - who to start, the ball gets spread around too much
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Everybody on the Bucs - don't know who's going to play QB, RB, TE nor WR with 3 weeks to go? WTF?
baconisgood
Footballguy
Braylon is going @ WR 19 which ends up being in the 1000-1100 yards and 5-6 TDs most years. Last years abomination was 900 + 3. Much softer schedule this year, same or better QB play- WR 19 numbers aren't a "lock" but they should happen >75% of the non injured time with the upside of 2007 that braylon will carry for the next few years. He had 900 + 6 his 2nd year in the league coming off major knee surgery. I can see passing on him until the end of the #2 WRs comes up but don't let the dropsies cloud his situation + talent.
The surgery was on his knee, not on his hands. He should play on defense, he bats down more balls than he reels in.Plus, who wants to get stuck watching the Browns?
CR69
Footballguy
LOL @ getting your info from ESPN. Try watching some games. Better yet, don't.
Not sure how you rip Sal and ESPN on his assesment of Roy last year. This year could be different, but Sal was dead on when he said Roy was not going to amount to much last year.
War Eagle
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QB
Warner - health
Romo - being drafted too high
RB
Westbrook and Steven Jackson - HEALTH and Steven is on a crap team.
New England RBs
WR
Fitz - Madden Cover curse and Warner's health
Roy Williams - SLOW
TE
Shockey & Winslow
DEF
Bears & Philly
Warner - health
Romo - being drafted too high
RB
Westbrook and Steven Jackson - HEALTH and Steven is on a crap team.
New England RBs
WR
Fitz - Madden Cover curse and Warner's health
Roy Williams - SLOW
TE
Shockey & Winslow
DEF
Bears & Philly
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Pip's Invitation
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Ginn, Bess, Mason and Holt all have value as late-round picks you can use as bye-week fill-ins. Don't count on them for more than that, though.CravenM said:
Ridgelake
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TO. Having watched him closely over the last few years, he's clearly on the down slope. If you remove his one game against SF last year when he had over 200 yards, he was bad most every week. Teams started pressing him and he wasnt able to regularly get off it. Buffalo is going to see a ton of Cover-2 defenses to wrap up Evans and TO. They have no TE to threaten this defense. Buffalo's line is attrocious. Edwards is still developing. The weather gets bad starting in November.
I wouldn't consider drafting TO until maybe the 8th. Let someone else pay for his production of three to five years ago.
I wouldn't consider drafting TO until maybe the 8th. Let someone else pay for his production of three to five years ago.
Scary 1st draft I gotS. Jackson, M.Lynch and Edwards......Oh did I say in 3rd, 5th and 8th rounds!Gooly, I know they can be scary picks and you may not nothing to do with them, but letting slip past the 2nd, 4th and 6th rounds is scary.Max Power said:Pip said:Pretty Solid list here.I'd also add Braylon Edwards and Marshawn Lynch as I see no value at their current ADPs
pollardsvision
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I agree.In an abysmal year for Braylon last year, he was top 10 in targets and there's nothing to suggest that he won't get plenty of targets again this season. Heck, the only 2 guys to compete with his targets are both gone.Sometimes we over-complicate things. A guy who has displayed elite skills in the NFL is the only decent WR/TE option on a terrible team that will be playing from behind all season. At his ADP, it's not that much risk and he's one of the few guys that can be drafted as a WR2/3 that can absolutely be a WR1 (he's already been one in his relatively short career).baconisgood said:
jurrassic
Footballguy
I don't think Berrian is a bad pick if you can get him as your wr 3 or 4. He finished with 964 yds and 7 tds last year on only 48 receptions. He did this with Ferotte and TJ as his qb. If what eveyone believes is true and Favre is a better option than I would think Berrian can come close to those totals I agree the hammy is an issue though. How serious is it?Pip said:
jurrassic
Footballguy
My list for what it's worth, and it tends to change.
TO-The o-line is Buffalo is terrible, TO is aging, and Edwards is easily the worst qb he has had in the NFL
Lynch-See above, and the 4 game suspension adds to it. He is still being drafted in the 3-4 round range
Evans-See above. He has talent but that team looks terrible.
R Williams-Wouldn't mind him as a #3 but he is going 3-4 round range. I just don't have any confidence in him..
Rivers-Great qb last year, when he was drafted in the 7-8 round range. In the 4th no thanks.
Barber-He is going to high for me with the Jones/Choice combo behind him.
LJ-Won't happen again
Marshall-As a #3 wr maybe. There is just too much turmoil in Denver to deal with it.
Bryant-Last season seem to fluky to me to begin with. Now with a change in coaching staff, qb, etc. not going near it.
M. Ryan-Didn't they run the ball like 6000 times last year. Yes, the kid is poised and they have Gonzalez now, but I just don't think they are going to pass enough.
TO-The o-line is Buffalo is terrible, TO is aging, and Edwards is easily the worst qb he has had in the NFL
Lynch-See above, and the 4 game suspension adds to it. He is still being drafted in the 3-4 round range
Evans-See above. He has talent but that team looks terrible.
R Williams-Wouldn't mind him as a #3 but he is going 3-4 round range. I just don't have any confidence in him..
Rivers-Great qb last year, when he was drafted in the 7-8 round range. In the 4th no thanks.
Barber-He is going to high for me with the Jones/Choice combo behind him.
LJ-Won't happen again
Marshall-As a #3 wr maybe. There is just too much turmoil in Denver to deal with it.
Bryant-Last season seem to fluky to me to begin with. Now with a change in coaching staff, qb, etc. not going near it.
M. Ryan-Didn't they run the ball like 6000 times last year. Yes, the kid is poised and they have Gonzalez now, but I just don't think they are going to pass enough.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Kurt Warner - too expensive for a boom or bust guy, would rather have Rodgers or Rivers at a similar price
Top TE's not named Witten - the value drop from them to the guys available late is too little to justify a mid round pick on any of them
Reggie Bush - don't trust the knee
Dwayne Bowe - think the offense may be a trainwreck, cannot justify him over any of Housh, TO, Boldin, among others continually drafted after him
Brandon Marshall - potential rewards does not justify the huge risk he comes with right now, maybe if his price dropped
Braylon Edwards - would be more willing to risk it in a non ppr, but where he's being drafted I'm usually taking RB's
Michael Turner - drafted as a top 5 back, don't have him in my top 10
Steve Slaton - upside is a top 10 back, downside is not good, drafted as a borderline top 10 back - not worth it
Top TE's not named Witten - the value drop from them to the guys available late is too little to justify a mid round pick on any of them
Reggie Bush - don't trust the knee
Dwayne Bowe - think the offense may be a trainwreck, cannot justify him over any of Housh, TO, Boldin, among others continually drafted after him
Brandon Marshall - potential rewards does not justify the huge risk he comes with right now, maybe if his price dropped
Braylon Edwards - would be more willing to risk it in a non ppr, but where he's being drafted I'm usually taking RB's
Michael Turner - drafted as a top 5 back, don't have him in my top 10
Steve Slaton - upside is a top 10 back, downside is not good, drafted as a borderline top 10 back - not worth it
MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't know, Garthia wasn't ever that good.Other than that, great list. I was going to disagree with Rivers, but then saw you mentioned 4th round price. Is that really what he's going for?
evilempire
Footballguy
Brandon Marshall -- Knucklehead factor is high, and Orton is not a great downfield thrower. This won't go well.
Marshawn Lynch -- Knucklehead factor is high, and the Bills O-line is terrible. If Jackson performs well in first three games I could see this as a RBBC all year.
Tony Romo -- Dallas won't pass enough to justify him being the sixth-seventh QB taken.
Kurt Warner -- Arizona will have Super Bowl hangover, and I can't him making it through the year.
Roy Williams -- See Romo.
Jason Witten -- See Romo.
Jonathan Stewart -- Even injured he's being taken too high. Not sure I like an Achilles' injury on a bigger back.
Philip Rivers -- Will be solid, but San Diego will go back to the running game and reduce his passing numbers.
Reggie Bush -- Mostly for PPR ... the microfracture thing is bad enough, but now the knee is still bothering him. I'm staying away.
Marshawn Lynch -- Knucklehead factor is high, and the Bills O-line is terrible. If Jackson performs well in first three games I could see this as a RBBC all year.
Tony Romo -- Dallas won't pass enough to justify him being the sixth-seventh QB taken.
Kurt Warner -- Arizona will have Super Bowl hangover, and I can't him making it through the year.
Roy Williams -- See Romo.
Jason Witten -- See Romo.
Jonathan Stewart -- Even injured he's being taken too high. Not sure I like an Achilles' injury on a bigger back.
Philip Rivers -- Will be solid, but San Diego will go back to the running game and reduce his passing numbers.
Reggie Bush -- Mostly for PPR ... the microfracture thing is bad enough, but now the knee is still bothering him. I'm staying away.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Sal Pal is just another in a long list of guys to question Roy's toughness. I don't take Sal Pal's word for anything, but it's not like what he's saying hasn't been said by many...many others.I think this concern is legit and likely won't have Roy on any of my teams.Thanks for the helpful and constructive advice.Perhaps you could suggest other ways how I might improve myself!CR69 said:
Marcumzilla
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For a Loser League team name last year, I used "Braylon Edwards for Pro-Bowl at Cornerback". After seeing him play in college, my initial assessment was that he would be the next Michael Jackson since he made spectacular catches provided they weren't thrown directly to his hands or numbers. In that respect, maybe his value goes up if the least accurate QB is starting...MrJamela said:
sbonomo
Footballguy
Can't believe I am going to write this but:
LT - Statistics show that 30 year old RB's just are not the same. I felt like this years ago when Marshal Faulk started to fade away...LT has helped me win multiple leagues but I think the fairytale is gone.
SJAX – Too many question marks and a top 5 guy should be a sure thing
TO – Cold weather, suspect QB, no def – No chance he lives up to his ADP this year
Slayton – He just seems off to me
Bush – He is just too small and injury prone. Mcfadden, Brown, Jacobs can be had for the same price
Romo – I have always thought he was over rated
Any rookie WR in a redraft league – They never do anything their first year….Get a veteran that can actually help your team
Chris Henery – Everyone seems to be extremely high on this guy. Watch hardknocks…He is a thug that will get into trouble this year….
LT - Statistics show that 30 year old RB's just are not the same. I felt like this years ago when Marshal Faulk started to fade away...LT has helped me win multiple leagues but I think the fairytale is gone.
SJAX – Too many question marks and a top 5 guy should be a sure thing
TO – Cold weather, suspect QB, no def – No chance he lives up to his ADP this year
Slayton – He just seems off to me
Bush – He is just too small and injury prone. Mcfadden, Brown, Jacobs can be had for the same price
Romo – I have always thought he was over rated
Any rookie WR in a redraft league – They never do anything their first year….Get a veteran that can actually help your team
Chris Henery – Everyone seems to be extremely high on this guy. Watch hardknocks…He is a thug that will get into trouble this year….
No Bills... I like the Skill positions but that line will kill them.
No Chiefs .... Trainwreck here I think. Might take Jamal Charles REALLY late but thats it.
No Seahawks... Offensive line is already destroyed.
Chris Chambers ... Too many targets here
Michael Turner ... too much risk, regression, and the team can't stay as healthy
No Chiefs .... Trainwreck here I think. Might take Jamal Charles REALLY late but thats it.
No Seahawks... Offensive line is already destroyed.
Chris Chambers ... Too many targets here
Michael Turner ... too much risk, regression, and the team can't stay as healthy
Moonlight_Graham
Footballguy
Sorry, but this doesn't make any sense.
I'll definetly agree with the "no bills"
Earlier this year i though Lynch would be an absolute steal in the 4th because i know he has elite talent, and i'm confident i could find someone to fill in for the 3 games he's suspended
But their oline looks absolutly awful, and i can see them abandoning the run because they are down in games
I can also see TO quitting on the team once it becomes obvious they are in for a long season.
Earlier this year i though Lynch would be an absolute steal in the 4th because i know he has elite talent, and i'm confident i could find someone to fill in for the 3 games he's suspended
But their oline looks absolutly awful, and i can see them abandoning the run because they are down in games
I can also see TO quitting on the team once it becomes obvious they are in for a long season.
Moonlight_Graham
Footballguy
Tool factor is through the roof.CR69 said:
Bankerguy
Footballguy
In no order (Based on current ADP-as everyone has value at some point):
M. Lynch-Suspension and a knucklehead to boot.
B. Marshall- Trainwreck with a questionable QB.
T.O.- Toe injury, aging and a crappy QB.
LT2- He'll be better then last year, but is overvalued.
SJax-I want no part of this guy or any Rams.
R. Rice- Pre season darling with lot's of hopes being pinned on him. RBBC with little upside. I see people taking this guy in the 4th round. What is the upside there? I doubt he finds my roster this year.
M. Lynch-Suspension and a knucklehead to boot.
B. Marshall- Trainwreck with a questionable QB.
T.O.- Toe injury, aging and a crappy QB.
LT2- He'll be better then last year, but is overvalued.
SJax-I want no part of this guy or any Rams.
R. Rice- Pre season darling with lot's of hopes being pinned on him. RBBC with little upside. I see people taking this guy in the 4th round. What is the upside there? I doubt he finds my roster this year.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Why do people think Rivers will throw less? I think they will do whatever is best suited to get them in the end zone. He makes good decisions. Their running game is not the same, and they will want to keep LT fresher. They are a better passing team now with their personnel.
And I watched the KC game, - I think Bowe is gold because Cassel is throwing underneath and is the end zone threat as well with Gonzo gone. Bowe is the only guy I'd want on KC.
And I watched the KC game, - I think Bowe is gold because Cassel is throwing underneath and is the end zone threat as well with Gonzo gone. Bowe is the only guy I'd want on KC.
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flintpanthers
Footballguy
For the record RB's have thier best years from 27-30 with a huge drop off at 31. WR generally perform when? When ever is the answer. Boldin, Moss, Colston, etc. have had great rookie years. Many have not, but many who do not perfom year one don't end up being fantasy relavent. It both cases it can go both ways, but like everything else it is about picking the right one or choosing the right path.
Wishful thinking, eh?How about anybody on the 9ers not named Gore.Forte is going WAY too high for what I saw last year. He was a benefactor of good circumstance.Warner is a ticking time bomb, I'm staying far away from the fallout.Barber and Jacobs will run themselves to the training table.
Turn it way down if you'd like to keep posting here. TIA.JCR69 said:
Archie Bunker
Footballguy
Agreed. Edwards dropped to the 25th WR/TE in my draft. At that position, it was extremely difficult to pass up.baconisgood said:
fightingillini
Footballguy
I am not avoiding anyone, but here are are few players that I likely won't be rostering in a typical redraft league.
1) Roy Williams - won't get the targets necessary to be a solid WR2.....limited upside IMO.
2) Philip Rivers - Solid QB, but price way too high in start 1QB leagues.
3) Kurt Warner - not sure that he will stay upright for 16 games.
4) Reggie Bush in a non PPR league - can't stay healthy, not a good pure runner....NO has Pierre Thomas for that.
5) Jonathan Stewart - DAngelo is going to be huge this year. Stewart will still get some, but nowhere near justifying his ADP.
6) Brandon Marshall - loose cannon, doesn't have Cutler throwing to him
Funny thing......Rivers and Warner is my QB combo in the Ultimate Survivor League 5!
1) Roy Williams - won't get the targets necessary to be a solid WR2.....limited upside IMO.
2) Philip Rivers - Solid QB, but price way too high in start 1QB leagues.
3) Kurt Warner - not sure that he will stay upright for 16 games.
4) Reggie Bush in a non PPR league - can't stay healthy, not a good pure runner....NO has Pierre Thomas for that.
5) Jonathan Stewart - DAngelo is going to be huge this year. Stewart will still get some, but nowhere near justifying his ADP.
6) Brandon Marshall - loose cannon, doesn't have Cutler throwing to him
Funny thing......Rivers and Warner is my QB combo in the Ultimate Survivor League 5!
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