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Playoff Scenario - What would you do? (1 Viewer)

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Apparently if the Colts were to lose Sunday both of the Raiders and Chargers would then get into the playoffs if they tied where if there was a winner the loser would be eliminated.  

So, if the Colts lose and you are the Raiders & Chargers do you just agree to tie and make sure you both make the playoffs?

 
It will never happen but I would love to see it.  

3 hours of Sunday Night Football where both teams kneel on the ball the whole time. Collinsworth might literally explode on live television.

 
It will never happen but I would love to see it.  

3 hours of Sunday Night Football where both teams kneel on the ball the whole time. Collinsworth might literally explode on live television.
I mean it is really the best thing for both teams.  Ensure you are in the playoffs.  

 
An overtime game would be interesting. As in let's both of us just run out the clock.
Why wait for OT?  Start with the opening kickoff.  They will know the outcome of the Colts game and know that a tie gets them both into the playoffs.  It's crazy and I am sure the NFL leadership will mandate they play but it is really in the best interest of both the Raiders & Chargers to agree to tie.  

 
Can you imagine the coin toss?

"Los Angeles, as the visiting team you get to call heads or tails. Not that it matters anyway but here we are."
The press conference would be great too.......especially when they play it out and the losing team misses the playoffs.  "Coach Bisaccia why didn't you just agree with Coach Staley to play for a tie so you both get into the playoffs?  Wouldn't that have been the best thing for your team?"

 
The press conference would be great too.......especially when they play it out and the losing team misses the playoffs.  "Coach Bisaccia why didn't you just agree with Coach Staley to play for a tie so you both get into the playoffs?  Wouldn't that have been the best thing for your team?"
I would pay Herm Edwards to do the press conference for me.

 
An overtime game would be interesting. As in let's both of us just run out the clock.
The absolute last thing either team would want would be to play a full OT, especially since there's a decent chance at least one of them will have a short week before a game on Saturday

 
Apparently if the Colts were to lose Sunday both of the Raiders and Chargers would then get into the playoffs if they tied where if there was a winner the loser would be eliminated.  

So, if the Colts lose and you are the Raiders & Chargers do you just agree to tie and make sure you both make the playoffs?
That's brilliant, and I wish it could happen. It very obviously would be the best thing for both teams. But everyone would have a cow.

 
The absolute last thing either team would want would be to play a full OT, especially since there's a decent chance at least one of them will have a short week before a game on Saturday
But see, that's the genius. They don't even have to play from the opening kickoff of the game.

Kick off, three kneel downs....punt. And repeat the whole game and overtime.

Wala!

 
The NFL made this an option when they flexed the game....this game should be played at the same time as other games that have an impact on playoff potential for those involved...

 
The absolute last thing either team would want would be to play a full OT, especially since there's a decent chance at least one of them will have a short week before a game on Saturday
An extra 10 minutes of zero contact and kneel downs is not that big of a deal....

 
The NFL made this an option when they flexed the game....this game should be played at the same time as other games that have an impact on playoff potential for those involved...
If you live in reality, no the NFL did not make this an option. If you live in a fantasy world, then sure, it is now a possible option.

 
This really does possibly create some extra thought towards the end of the game....and how you decide to finish....trying to “win” before end of regulation or “settle” for OT......and lets just say they did “play it out” it does go to OT.....and you are inside your own 5 with 90 seconds left....do you risk turning it over and/or giving the other team good field position or do you just try to run out the clock....

 
What's funny is that if this happened in a World Cup group match it would be completely unremarkable. Indeed, it would be the expected outcome. Then again, in soccer it's much easier to fall ###-backward into a tie, whereas in the NFL you really have to work at it.

But now that I think of it, this scenario would involve chaos and Roger Goodell being embarrassed, so I'm totally in favor of it. The league already got burned last year when it flexed the Eagles to SNF even though they had nothing to play for, so I'd love to make it two years in a row.

 
If you live in reality, no the NFL did not make this an option. If you live in a fantasy world, then sure, it is now a possible option.
Guarantee you the NFL knew this cold happen when they decided to flex the game.....thats reality....so yeah they did put themselves in this position and “made” it happen....if they left things alone its not an issue....

 
This really does possibly create some extra thought towards the end of the game....and how you decide to finish....trying to “win” before end of regulation or “settle” for OT......and lets just say they did “play it out” it does go to OT.....and you are inside your own 5 with 90 seconds left....do you risk turning it over and/or giving the other team good field position or do you just try to run out the clock....
See, now this makes sense 

 
Guarantee you the NFL knew this cold happen when they decided to flex the game.....thats reality....so yeah they did put themselves in this position and “made” it happen....if they left things alone its not an issue....
Outside of your last point, which albeit slim, actually makes sense, there is zero chance that anything remotely occurs like the OP

 
This really does possibly create some extra thought towards the end of the game....and how you decide to finish....trying to “win” before end of regulation or “settle” for OT......and lets just say they did “play it out” it does go to OT.....and you are inside your own 5 with 90 seconds left....do you risk turning it over and/or giving the other team good field position or do you just try to run out the clock....
Here's what I would love to see: Chargers are down 24-17 late; Herbert toss to Keenan Allen for a TD with 15 seconds left ...

... does Staley kick the XP or does he pull a Harbaugh and go for two?  :lmao:

 
Sometimes to prove a point, initiate change, and hold people accountable for their bad decisions (in this case, flexing this game) ....you have to call their bluff so to speak and make them pay for their decisions.....it was not a good decision for the NFL to possibly put these two teams in the position to have to play the game under these possible circumstances....the NFL shouldn’t “count on” both of these teams playing it out Herm Edwards style....they didn’t need too....they could have left it alone (at the “expense” of no SNF game).....the NFL created a situation where there is a chance a team may decide to play “not to win the game”....IMO....thats not good business.... 

eta: the coaches and teams may be forced into some awkward situations like I posted above and that doesn’t really seem fair.....don’t get me wrong....I’m all about just taking care of your own business and winning the game.....but the NFL brought actually not trying to “win” into play here....

 
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This really does possibly create some extra thought towards the end of the game....and how you decide to finish....trying to “win” before end of regulation or “settle” for OT......and lets just say they did “play it out” it does go to OT.....and you are inside your own 5 with 90 seconds left....do you risk turning it over and/or giving the other team good field position or do you just try to run out the clock....
All kidding aside, I really do think you've hit on the key point. They're obviously not going to spend three hours kneeling on every play, but if they play out the game and it's close near the end, do the teams play for the tie knowing it might require an extra 10 minutes of play? 

 
But see, that's the genius. They don't even have to play from the opening kickoff of the game.

Kick off, three kneel downs....punt. And repeat the whole game and overtime.

Wala!
Yeah. Like a free bye week for both teams with minimal contact. Like they’re all wearing red QB jjerseys. 

 
What's funny is that if this happened in a World Cup group match it would be completely unremarkable. Indeed, it would be the expected outcome. Then again, in soccer it's much easier to fall ###-backward into a tie, whereas in the NFL you really have to work at it.

But now that I think of it, this scenario would involve chaos and Roger Goodell being embarrassed, so I'm totally in favor of it. The league already got burned last year when it flexed the Eagles to SNF even though they had nothing to play for, so I'd love to make it two years in a row.
like this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón

 
they want so bad to have a "meaningful" SNF game so they are kind of rolling the dice that IND wins.....there is a difference here between what could happen and "tanking" a game so you can get a better draft pick....in this situation, not playing to win "throughout the entirety game" could realistically come into play should IND lose....

 
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I mean it is really the best thing for both teams.  Ensure you are in the playoffs.  
It’s interesting. I want to make an argument against it, but not doing so would seem like a bad choice. The optics would just be so terrible if they tried to do it though - Goodell would have to issue some Executive Order declaring a coin flip to decide in the event of a tie if he got wind of it.

 
I don’t know all the NFL rules but I wouldn’t be shocked if they had some kind of collusion language in there. Obviously not what we as fantasy owners think - but two teams agreeing to tie a game can’t be allowed of course.

 
It’s interesting. I want to make an argument against it, but not doing so would seem like a bad choice. The optics would just be so terrible if they tried to do it though - Goodell would have to issue some Executive Order declaring a coin flip to decide in the event of a tie if he got wind of it.
A coin flip for what?  Those two teams would have the 6th and 7th best record in the conference and therefore "earned" the playoff slots.  Are you going to flip a coin and put the Colts or ????? in the playoffs and kick one of these two teams out?  I am not sure any solution is correct.  And further, if the Colts do lose it is the best interest of both the Chargers and Raiders to agree to tie.  The point is to make the playoffs and give your team a chance at the Super Bowl.  The only way to do that is to be in the playoffs.  Agreeing to a tie gets assures you that chance.  It is 100% the right thing to do in the interest of those two franchises.  

 
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Outside of your last point, which albeit slim, actually makes sense, there is zero chance that anything remotely occurs like the OP
How do you mean?  The Raiders and Chargers agreeing to tie?  I agree it is unlikely but if this scenario presents itself it is exactly what those two teams should do.  Why risk not making the playoffs when you both get in if you just run out the clock from the start?  The point of the season is to make the playoffs.  A tie ensures you make the playoffs.  There is no incentive for either team to risk losing so a tie is in their best interest. 

 
I don’t know all the NFL rules but I wouldn’t be shocked if they had some kind of collusion language in there. Obviously not what we as fantasy owners think - but two teams agreeing to tie a game can’t be allowed of course.
Then their million page rule book should not allow for such a situation.  

If that is in fact a real situation, yes both teams should find out if there would be ramifications and absolutely do it if there is no penalty.

 
How do you mean?  The Raiders and Chargers agreeing to tie?  I agree it is unlikely but if this scenario presents itself it is exactly what those two teams should do.  Why risk not making the playoffs when you both get in if you just run out the clock from the start?  The point of the season is to make the playoffs.  A tie ensures you make the playoffs.  There is no incentive for either team to risk losing so a tie is in their best interest. 
And each team gets a bye heading into the playoffs

 
Then their million page rule book should not allow for such a situation.  

If that is in fact a real situation, yes both teams should find out if there would be ramifications and absolutely do it if there is no penalty.
Just because there’s no rules against it, doesn’t mean it should happen. I guess if we want to get technical, there’s probably no written rules against Goodell instructing the referees to make sure they lose their playoff games. 

 
Just because there’s no rules against it, doesn’t mean it should happen. I guess if we want to get technical, there’s probably no written rules against Goodell instructing the referees to make sure they lose their playoff games. 
Why shouldn't it happen?  If the scenario is that a tie guarantees a playoff spot for both teams, why shouldn't those teams agree to play to a tie?  It is in their best interest because the goal of the regular season is to make the playoffs.  A tie ensures that will happen.  It's a win-win for both teams.  

 
A coin flip for what?  Those two teams would have the 6th and 7th best record in the conference and therefore "earned" the playoff slots.  Are you going to flip a coin and put the Colts or ????? in the playoffs and kick one of these two teams out?  I am not sure any solution is correct.  And further, if the Colts do lose it is the best interest of both the Chargers and Raiders to agree to tie.  The point is to make the playoffs and give your team a chance at the Super Bowl.  The only way to do that is to be in the playoffs.  Agreeing to a tie gets assures you that chance.  It is 100% the right thing to do in the interest of those two franchises.  
The “coin flip” was a joke but meant to show that Goodell would need to stop it somehow. I mean it I know it’s good “game theory” but it just opens floodgates. I get the point though - great topic.

 
Why shouldn't it happen?  If the scenario is that a tie guarantees a playoff spot for both teams, why shouldn't those teams agree to play to a tie?  It is in their best interest because the goal of the regular season is to make the playoffs.  A tie ensures that will happen.  It's a win-win for both teams.  
It’s not a win-win for the league or for the fans that like to believe the game is on the up and up

 
It’s not a win-win for the league or for the fans that like to believe the game is on the up and up
I don't think this changes anything as far as the league being on the "up and up".  There is a specific reason to play to a tie.  It is a mutually beneficial outcome based on how the season played out.  It doesn't diminish any other games played.  It is the best way for these teams to make sure they get into the playoffs (which is their goal).  

It sucks for ratings (or does it?) and the gambling aspect (for that one game) will cause an uproar but in the end I think it doesn't hurt the league in the slightest.  This is a very unique situation the you really cannot manipulate to make happen again.  

 
I don't think this changes anything as far as the league being on the "up and up".  There is a specific reason to play to a tie.  It is a mutually beneficial outcome based on how the season played out.  It doesn't diminish any other games played.  It is the best way for these teams to make sure they get into the playoffs (which is their goal).  

It sucks for ratings (or does it?) and the gambling aspect (for that one game) will cause an uproar but in the end I think it doesn't hurt the league in the slightest.  This is a very unique situation the you really cannot manipulate to make happen again.  
It’s called collusion. If you have no issues with it, good for you

 
It’s called collusion. If you have no issues with it, good for you
In this specific scenario I am torn.  I haven't really thought about it from all angles but I think in general under these circumstances it is so unique I think I might be fine with it.  

It is easily prevented by having the Colts and Raiders/Chargers play at the same time so there is a way to prevent the knowingly playing to a tie scenario.   I suppose that is the solution that should be implemented.  

 
In this specific scenario I am torn.  I haven't really thought about it from all angles but I think in general under these circumstances it is so unique I think I might be fine with it.  

It is easily prevented by having the Colts and Raiders/Chargers play at the same time so there is a way to prevent the knowingly playing to a tie scenario.   I suppose that is the solution that should be implemented.  
Yes, I realize fantasy football is not the same thing. That said, if a team in my league let another team win in week 14 to make the playoffs and said that it was mutually beneficial because he gets in the playoffs and I get a better draft pick, I would not stand for that for one second. I think as an organization, the NFL simply cannot let teams even begin to entertain a scenario like this. To be honest, I don’t either team has even considered it. 

 
Why shouldn't it happen?  If the scenario is that a tie guarantees a playoff spot for both teams, why shouldn't those teams agree to play to a tie?  It is in their best interest because the goal of the regular season is to make the playoffs.  A tie ensures that will happen.  It's a win-win for both teams.  
Plus a guarantee that nobody is injured during the game as well...

 
Sponsors would raise hell during the game.
Probably but I would bet that the word of mouth about what is happening would increase the viewership quite a bit for this unique situation (at least for some of the game).    I wonder how much it would really affect the numbers.   

 
I don’t know all the NFL rules but I wouldn’t be shocked if they had some kind of collusion language in there. Obviously not what we as fantasy owners think - but two teams agreeing to tie a game can’t be allowed of course.
No doubt. 

Would make taking the underdog a gambling lock though.

Raiders +3-ish knowing they're gonna tie? Yes please, here's the amount I owe on my house. 

 
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Yes, I realize fantasy football is not the same thing. That said, if a team in my league let another team win in week 14 to make the playoffs and said that it was mutually beneficial because he gets in the playoffs and I get a better draft pick, I would not stand for that for one second. I think as an organization, the NFL simply cannot let teams even begin to entertain a scenario like this. To be honest, I don’t either team has even considered it. 
Your FF isn't exactly the same thing (as you stated).   This is such a unique situation.  

I think we had a thread earlier this year that asked if people thought it was ok to throw a FF game (lose on purpose) if it meant you were guaranteed a playoff spot.  Something along the lines of by losing it put a higher scoring team into the division title and since you were the #2 highest scoring team that ensured you made the playoffs where if you won then the highest scoring team gets the wildcard spot knocking you out.  Is it ok to purposely lose in that scenario?   I think this NFL situation is somewhat close to that scenario.  The biggest difference is that the second team isn't involved in the scenario.  

 
No doubt. 

Would make taking the underdog a gambling lock though.

Raiders +3-ish knowing they're gonna tie? Yes please, here's the amount I own on my house. 
I would guess that if there is a whiff of something like this happening then Vegas/Fan Duel/etc would take this game off the board.  

 
Probably but I would bet that the word of mouth about what is happening would increase the viewership quite a bit for this unique situation (at least for some of the game).    I wonder how much it would really affect the numbers.   
I could see some viewers tuning in to watch.... for about 5 minutes until they left from boredom, and overall ratings being way down, and sponsors asking the NFL for money back.

 

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