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What's with all the love for Matt Schaub?

He's had what, two starts? In which he is 0-2? With a sub 50 % completion rate? I checked out his stats and while I saw a jump between his rookie year and last season, I'm not sure what to make of it since he has played so little. Quite honestly I know absolutely nothing of the kid other than what I read on these boards. Is he really that good or is this an overhyped case of the backup qb always being a popular guy?

 
I am waiting to see if he's going to be the next Rob Johnson or the next Jake Delhomme...

 
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What's with all the love for Matt Schaub?

He's had what, two starts? In which he is 0-2? With a sub 50 % completion rate? I checked out his stats and while I saw a jump between his rookie year and last season, I'm not sure what to make of it since he has played so little. Quite honestly I know absolutely nothing of the kid other than what I read on these boards. Is he really that good or is this an overhyped case of the backup qb always being a popular guy?
Bob: I have two guesses.

1- He played for Al Groh in college. And having a recently former HC from the NFL talk you up to his buddies made Schaub a "sleeper" in the draft.

2- He has shown something in pracrice and the limited games that get the NFL coaching juices flowing. So they are all on his bandwagon.

That's all I have, because I really don't see what anyone else can "prove" about him.

That said, I'll take him on the JETS and add D' Brick instead of Cutler or Young.

 
The bad thing about this situation is that the Falcons played better with him in the lineup than when Vick is in there; but because of certain characterists of Vick, Schaub will never get a chance to be the starting QB for Atlanta.

 
What's with all the love for Matt Schaub? 

He's had what, two starts?  In which he is 0-2?  With a sub 50 % completion rate?  I checked out his stats and while I saw a jump between his rookie year and last season, I'm not sure what to make of it since he has played so little.  Quite honestly I know absolutely nothing of the kid other than what I read on these boards.  Is he really that good or is this an overhyped case of the backup qb always being a popular guy?
That said, I'll take him on the JETS and add D' Brick instead of Cutler or Young.
I agree 100%. That would be the best of all worlds imo...
 
I am waiting to see if he's going to be the next Rob Johnson
Bingo! Johnson had one or two decent starts for the Jags back in the early 90's, signed a fat FA contract and proceeded to stink it up from there. I'd be hesitant with Schaub.
 
The bad thing about this situation is that the Falcons played better with him in the lineup than when Vick is in there; but because of certain characterists of Vick, Schaub will never get a chance to be the starting QB for Atlanta.
So his only two starts he's had the team has lost both games, yet he looks better than Vick? Obviously this is a story stats cannot describe-what makes him look so good? He's comfortable in the pocket? Makes good throws?
 
The bad thing about this situation is that the Falcons played better with him in the lineup than when Vick is in there; but because of certain characterists of Vick, Schaub will never get a chance to be the starting QB for Atlanta.
So his only two starts he's had the team has lost both games, yet he looks better than Vick? Obviously this is a story stats cannot describe-what makes him look so good? He's comfortable in the pocket? Makes good throws?
The Falcons are a running team and with Schaub as their QB it seemed like the offense plays better. Michael Vick is an enormous talent and a gifted athlete BUT is he a real NFL QB who reads defenses and makes accurate throws. With Vick the falcons can not play ball control and rely on their running game to win games because that is not the way Vick plays and this has hurt the Falcons several times with costly INT's and mistakes.
 
The bad thing about this situation is that the Falcons played better with him in the lineup than when Vick is in there; but because of certain characterists of Vick, Schaub will never get a chance to be the starting QB for Atlanta.
So his only two starts he's had the team has lost both games, yet he looks better than Vick? Obviously this is a story stats cannot describe-what makes him look so good? He's comfortable in the pocket? Makes good throws?
The Falcons are a running team and with Schaub as their QB it seemed like the offense plays better. Michael Vick is an enormous talent and a gifted athlete BUT is he a real NFL QB who reads defenses and makes accurate throws. With Vick the falcons can not play ball control and rely on their running game to win games because that is not the way Vick plays and this has hurt the Falcons several times with costly INT's and mistakes.
The offense must not be that good with him back there if they're still losing. He put up 28 against a New England team that at that point had a rather pathetic defense. The game before his statistics are nothing fancy-granted he only attempted 15 or so passes but his first year he never looked so hot. Looking at things, it seems his game against the Patriots really stands out. His had over a 16 ypa, 3 td's vs 0 ints with a slightly higher than fifty percent passer rating. So homers and others seem to think that's his general potential for a weekly basis? Why did he fall to the late third round?

 
I've just seen "it" with Schaub since his first preseason game as a rookie. You can tell when QBs get it, and he seems to - composure, no panic or happy feet, etc.

 
I don't get it either.... you'd think Schaub had won two super bowls or something. He hasn't been that good, and he's no lock, as he's being advertised.

 
I've just seen "it" with Schaub since his first preseason game as a rookie. You can tell when QBs get it, and he seems to - composure, no panic or happy feet, etc.
Yes, he looked good right away. The coaches saw it. Before his first regular season, the media was saying Atlanta stole a starting quality QB in the draft based on training camp. In part, he learned so quickly because of his college coaching. No question that he has the brain to run a west coast offense. That doesnt make him the next Matt Hasselbeck. He could be, but he needs playing time to develope further. He doesnt deserve to start over Vick, but he'd be a nice project on a team which lacks a quality starter.

 
I think a little of it is the "what if" factor. We know Vick is a money maker for ATL, and therefore is firmly entrenched as the starter. Schaub has the physical tools to make folks NFL types take notice. In his 2nd year he gets one start, against the defending world champs, and throws for like 295-3. Up until that point, I believe Vick had never thrown 3 TDs in a game, and had only surpassed that yardage two or three times in his career. But he will never unseat Vick in ATL. So you have a situation where some only see 0-2, and some see repressed huge potential. The media loves these kind of stories...

 
Good Post, UC - the Schaub buzz started in his first year when he picked up the WCO very quickly.

Good Post. MU Seminole - Schaub's other best quality is his composure.

For those of you asking about the loss to NE, you can't pin that one on Schaub. The reason Atlanta lost was because they couldnt cover on defense, especially the TEs. Schaub was magnificent in that game, making Brian Finneran look like a quality NFL WR, and connecting on pinpoint throws, including a perfect 25 TD strike to Crumpler to start the SECOND comeback from down 2 TDs in the game. Two drives later, Schaub and Dunn drove them down the field, and Schaub tied the game with a TD and 2 pt conversion pass with 4 minutes left. Atlanta's defense then gave up the game-winning FG drive, and Schaub never had a chance to answer.

Anyone who watched that game can tell you that the Atlanta receivers were more "in the game" and the timing and crispness of the passing game was vastly improved - although the NE was beat up at the time.

 
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I've just seen "it" with Schaub since his first preseason game as a rookie. You can tell when QBs get it, and he seems to - composure, no panic or happy feet, etc.
I watched Schaub a lot when he was at UVa and this describes him perfectly. I've been waiting for him to really get a chance; I think he'll make the best of it.
 
some of it has to do with the dislike for Vick.

Schaub has looked good, not great, in limited action.

 
Schaub is mobile and operates the WCO offense efficiently. Yes, he has limited NFL experience, but that is still much more NFL experience than the incoming rookies have.

True, he could be the next RJ . . . or he could be the next Favre, the last backup QB that Atlanta traded away. NFL scouts generally have a pretty good idea of the potential of backups in the NFL, even based on limited experience. I don't think the fact that there is some bias against Vick affects the scouts. Nor does the fact that Schaub lost his games make that big a difference in the equation. Didn't AJ Feeley go 4-0 with the Eagles before he got traded.

The point is, Schaub has shown enough at this level that many teams, including Atlanta, apparently value him as much as a first round pick.

 
As a Falcons season ticket holder :bag: I would rather see Vick leave than Schaub. Everything seems to click better when he's in the game. The passing game certainly improves, and the WRs actually run their routes. It's an odd situation for the Falcons to be in, but they may very well be better off as a football team with Schaub at the helm than Vick. From a marketing/PR perspective, though, it would be a huge risk. You go to the games and 60% of the crowd is wearing a #7 jersey. Arthur Blank is many things, but stupid isn't one of them.

 
I've just seen "it" with Schaub since his first preseason game as a rookie. You can tell when QBs get it, and he seems to - composure, no panic or happy feet, etc.
Well you better not be panicked or have happy feet in a PRESEASON GAME.If you really want to see how composed a player is, put him on the road in a playoff game down a TD with about 8:00 left in the game.

 
As a Falcons season ticket holder :bag: I would rather see Vick leave than Schaub. Everything seems to click better when he's in the game. The passing game certainly improves, and the WRs actually run their routes. It's an odd situation for the Falcons to be in, but they may very well be better off as a football team with Schaub at the helm than Vick. From a marketing/PR perspective, though, it would be a huge risk. You go to the games and 60% of the crowd is wearing a #7 jersey. Arthur Blank is many things, but stupid isn't one of them.
He's stupid if he hangs onto a lesser QB just because of jersey sales. But I agree with you, I don't think he's stupid, and that might be why they won't trade Shaub.I think it's a possibility that the honeymoon with Vick is over, and the Falcons don't wanna let Shaub go right now, until they know if Vick is the guy.

Vick hasn't made any friends lately, has had a couple of comments theat were less than franchise-worthy, maybe the Falcons are keepng their bases covered.

 
I am waiting to see if he's going to be the next Rob Johnson
Bingo! Johnson had one or two decent starts for the Jags back in the early 90's, signed a fat FA contract and proceeded to stink it up from there. I'd be hesitant with Schaub.
It's definitely a risk, but he's not too expensive to acquire in dynasties right now, so he might be worth a shot to some people. I've got him down in the Campbell, Losman, Frye, Rodgers, ASmith, Garrard area - guys who appear to have the tools and will get a shot at some point to succeed or fail. Rivers could even fall into that category, I suppose, though there are reasons to think he's a step up. I like to have at least one of those kinds of guys on my roster. When they get their chance to start, they have a spike in value that you can cash in on if you're already set at QB, or you can wait it out and see whether they become Delhomme or Feeley.
 
99% of the Shaub love here has to do with Vick hate.

People act like he's the second coming, when in fact he's a second-round pick with two career starts.

 
99% of the Shaub love here has to do with Vick hate.

People act like he's the second coming, when in fact he's a second-round pick with two career starts.
that's BS. 99% of the Shaub love is Ben Gay potential. while Vick may not have lived up to the top 5 hype garnered on him since his rookie year, he isn't on the trash heap yet.the talk about ATL looking crisper with Shaub in there is semi true, but it's only been a couple of starts so nobody really knows for sure.

preseason was another point of reference, and given the fact that Vick was "babied" and Shaub got the majority of the snaps (or so it seemed) even wets people's whistle more.

-orphan

 
I am waiting to see if he's going to be the next Rob Johnson or the next Jake Delhomme...
Hi SJ,I'd agree with Kiper in that he's more like the next Matt Hasselbeck. On the flip side, if Mike Vick was my QB, there is no way in the world I would be without a GREAT #2 QB.

J

 
I am waiting to see if he's going to be the next Rob Johnson or the next Jake Delhomme...
Hi SJ,I'd agree with Kiper in that he's more like the next Matt Hasselbeck. On the flip side, if Mike Vick was my QB, there is no way in the world I would be without a GREAT #2 QB.

J
That is true with Vick's injury history and playing style Shaub is needed by the falcons.
 
I am waiting to see if he's going to be the next Rob Johnson or the next Jake Delhomme...
Hi SJ,I'd agree with Kiper in that he's more like the next Matt Hasselbeck. On the flip side, if Mike Vick was my QB, there is no way in the world I would be without a GREAT #2 QB.

J
That is true with Vick's injury history and playing style Shaub is needed by the falcons.
That's why the talk of the Falcons trading Schaub is nonsense. I love watching Vick play and still think he'll put it all together eventually, but his running makes an injury very likely. The Falcons have a guy to can step in a run the offense and there's no way they give that up - at least until they develop Marcus. ;)
 
Schaub is safer bet than top college prospects

By Michael Smith

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All you heard after this year's Rose Bowl was Vince Young this, Vince Young that. Jay Cutler was the talk of the Senior Bowl and the scouting combine. Now, nearly a week into free agency and six weeks before the draft, the hottest quarterback prospect isn't from college but rather is 24-year-old Atlanta backup Matt Schaub.

Word around the campfire is the Dolphins offered the Falcons a second-round pick and then some (pick or player) for Michael Vick's understudy before they swung a deal with the Vikings for Daunte Culpepper. The Falcons want Jets franchised defensive end John Abraham, but New York's desire for Schaub in exchange is holding up that deal. The Cowboys, Ravens, Titans and Vikings -- all in the market for a young quarterback -- have contacted the Falcons about Schaub and been rebuffed.

It's going to take a lot to pry Schaub -- a third-round pick out of Virginia in 2004 (the fifth quarterback selected) -- from the Falcons, and it's easy to understand why. With injuries and inept performances common, a quality backup quarterback is not a luxury but a necessity. The way Vick plays, he inevitably gets hurt. Schaub stepped in for Vick in Week 5 last year and made a nice résumé tape for himself, shredding the Patriots' defense for 298 yards and three touchdowns in a three-point loss -- this, one week after he impersonated Vick in the second half of a blowout win over the Vikings, running for 56 yards on four carries. Not coincidentally, new Jets coach Eric Mangini was New England's defensive coordinator last year and Vikings owner Zygi Wilf had a front-row (box) seat for Schaub's dynamic relief performance against his defense.

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In limited playing time, Schaub has convinced many teams he can be a top-flight starter.

Remember: Three falls ago, Falcons owner Arthur Blank had to watch Doug Johnson quarterback his team when Vick missed most of the 2003 season with a broken leg. For the Falcons to make a deal involving Schaub -- and the impression I got Wednesday from speaking with one high-ranking team official was that he was not "untouchable" -- they have to be able to replace him with someone they feel they can win with when and if Vick goes down for a game or two.

Problem is, not many teams (how about Tennessee with Billy Volek?) can offer the combination of a starting-caliber backup and high pick(s) it takes to get Schaub. So then, it's up to the aforementioned QB-needy teams to make Atlanta a Godfather offer.

If I'm the Jets or Titans, I do darn near whatever it takes to get this kid. It says a lot, doesn't it, that both those clubs -- teams picking third (Titans) and fourth -- are exploring alternatives to drafting a quarterback early. As much as there is to like about Cutler, Young and Matt Leinart, there's no question each has holes in his game. Can Cutler correct the bad habits he developed playing with poor talent at Vanderbilt? (Oh, and FYI: From what I understand, Cutler didn't exactly blow the Jets away during his combine interview.) Can Young cut it as a passer at this level? And how's Leinart going to respond to a pass-rush?

We've seen what a crapshoot picking quarterbacks can be. Crap out early and it can cost you $20 million.

So if I'm going to role the dice, I do it on a guy who's cheap ($385,000 next year, the last of his contract, after which he becomes a restricted free agent) and whom I don't have to try to project as much. Even though Schaub has started only two games, he is 134 regular-season pass attempts more experienced than any of the top prospects.

The Jets took the unusual step of having players break down their college game film at the combine. They already have NFL film on Schaub. You know what he can do against a Bill Belichick scheme, a Ted Cottrell defense, pro competition. With the draft's big three, as Jim Mora's dad once said, you think you know, but you just don't know. I'm guessing the Jets and Titans have some doubts about the top guys and would prefer not to bet the house on an unknown.

Something else that makes Schaub attractive is that he has had great training. His position coach at Virginia was Bill Musgrave, his head coach Al Groh. In Atlanta, he has been tutored by Greg Knapp, who has worked with Pro Bowlers Steve Young, Jeff Garcia and Vick. When you watch Schaub, you see a big (6 foot 5, 237 pounds), poised and accurate passer. You see perhaps the next Mark Brunell or Marc Bulger or Matt Hasselbeck or Jake Delhomme -- all one-time understudies who have gone on to have success as starters. Schaub is bright and makes good decisions. Cutler, Leinart and Young will need time to adjust to the pro game. Schaub is ready to step in and lead right now. Atlanta took care of a lot of the grooming.

The Falcons would like to hold on to Schaub, and that's smart, but if the right offer comes along that could help them improve at several other positions, they'd be foolish not to consider it. Or maybe they just keep him this year, slap the high (first- and third-round pick compensation) restricted tender on him next year and make the rest of the league wait until he's an unrestricted free agent. But his trade value might never be higher than it is right now -- something for the Falcons to think about.

As for any teams thinking about taking a gamble on a quarterback, they might want to consider passing on investing a top-five pick and a large signing bonus in an unproven player. There are very few sure things when it comes to quarterbacks. Anyway, unless you're the Saints -- who pick second -- you don't know for sure whether you'll get the QB you want.

I still believe the top three guys will be good players, but Schaub just might be the best bet. He's certainly the safest.

 
As a Falcons season ticket holder :bag: I would rather see Vick leave than Schaub. Everything seems to click better when he's in the game. The passing game certainly improves, and the WRs actually run their routes. It's an odd situation for the Falcons to be in, but they may very well be better off as a football team with Schaub at the helm than Vick. From a marketing/PR perspective, though, it would be a huge risk. You go to the games and 60% of the crowd is wearing a #7 jersey. Arthur Blank is many things, but stupid isn't one of them.
I'm a Falcons season ticket holder also, and besides for the opening game against the sluggish Eagles, Schaub's game against the Patriots was one of the best games the Falcon's played last year (even though they barely lost). The last two years, I've started to see more Atlanta Favre, Ron Mexico, and Schaub jerseys showing up at the games. Schaub may very well be the next Rob Johnson! I've seen every Falcon's game that he's played and even though his playing style is completely different, he looks better throwing the ball accurately to the the same WRs, that Vick greatly overthrows.

I would have loved to see him try to develop in Miami, but I'm still happy we got Culpepper.

 
As a Falcons season ticket holder  :bag:   I would rather see Vick leave than Schaub. Everything seems to click better when he's in the game. The passing game certainly improves, and the WRs actually run their routes. It's an odd situation for the Falcons to be in, but they may very well be better off as a football team with Schaub at the helm than Vick. From a marketing/PR perspective, though, it would be a huge risk. You go to the games and 60% of the crowd is wearing a #7 jersey. Arthur Blank is many things, but stupid isn't one of them.
I'm a Falcons season ticket holder also, and besides for the opening game against the sluggish Eagles, Schaub's game against the Patriots was one of the best games the Falcon's played last year (even though they barely lost). The last two years, I've started to see more Atlanta Favre, Ron Mexico, and Schaub jerseys showing up at the games. Schaub may very well be the next Rob Johnson! I've seen every Falcon's game that he's played and even though his playing style is completely different, he looks better throwing the ball accurately to the the same WRs, that Vick greatly overthrows.

I would have loved to see him try to develop in Miami, but I'm still happy we got Culpepper.
You do know that being the next Rob Johnson is a bad thing, right?
 
Running the WCO (effectively) at UVA for years helped him pick it up with ATL. Coming out of college, didn't Schaub hold the NCAA career completion percentage record?

Maybe I shouldn't mention that I seem to remember that the previous record holder was Tim Couch... :o

 
All this talk about the Titans looking for a new QB has me a little confused... Is Billy Volek a bust already?? I never thought he looked bad as the backup and was pretty darn good at times.

 
As a Falcons season ticket holder :bag: I would rather see Vick leave than Schaub. Everything seems to click better when he's in the game. The passing game certainly improves, and the WRs actually run their routes. It's an odd situation for the Falcons to be in, but they may very well be better off as a football team with Schaub at the helm than Vick. From a marketing/PR perspective, though, it would be a huge risk. You go to the games and 60% of the crowd is wearing a #7 jersey. Arthur Blank is many things, but stupid isn't one of them.
I'm a Falcons season ticket holder also, and besides for the opening game against the sluggish Eagles, Schaub's game against the Patriots was one of the best games the Falcon's played last year (even though they barely lost). The last two years, I've started to see more Atlanta Favre, Ron Mexico, and Schaub jerseys showing up at the games. Schaub may very well be the next Rob Johnson! I've seen every Falcon's game that he's played and even though his playing style is completely different, he looks better throwing the ball accurately to the the same WRs, that Vick greatly overthrows.

I would have loved to see him try to develop in Miami, but I'm still happy we got Culpepper.
You do know that being the next Rob Johnson is a bad thing, right?
Yeah, I've liked Schaub's potential so far, but he could suck almost as bad as Rob Johnson.
 

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