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Please Read - "Who's Hottest?" Type Threads - And An Apology (1 Viewer)

I think I found a loophole. 

He said no Who’s Hottest threads, but he didn’t say no Whose Hottest threads. 

Wala! We’re back in business!

 
HellToupee said:
So now the mob is going to blame CN? 
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Ill take the blame. Got bored at times and thought id bring some life in. Would do a couple at a time. Didnt seem like a big deal but i can understand the overboard feeling when I would start 3 new ones and 6 old ones got bumped. It did seem like too much. (I'll still say the board only allowing 8 topics per page magnified this!!!! but anyway) Id glady walk away if it meant the FFA would get its boobies back.

 
The Ref said:
Yeah man you are welcome for the 16 years of support before you pulled the rug out to be the ethics police.

Look it's your site and at the end of the day there isn't anything any one of us can do about it.  But after 16+ years of support you are going to need to forgive some of us if we are a little miffed that you are pulling a "I don't care what you want because only my vote counts" routine after all these years.

it sucks honestly  
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The same thing happened to the huddle board, it's a ghost town now.

Not saying that going to happen here, just sayin

 
The Ref said:
Yeah man you are welcome for the 16 years of support before you pulled the rug out to be the ethics police.

Look it's your site and at the end of the day there isn't anything any one of us can do about it.  But after 16+ years of support you are going to need to forgive some of us if we are a little miffed that you are pulling a "I don't care what you want because only my vote counts" routine after all these years.

it sucks honestly  
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seems dramatic.

 
comfortably numb said:
Ill take the blame. Got bored at times and thought id bring some life in. Would do a couple at a time. Didnt seem like a big deal but i can understand the overboard feeling when I would start 3 new ones and 6 old ones got bumped. It did seem like too much. (I'll still say the board only allowing 8 topics per page magnified this!!!! but anyway) Id glady walk away if it meant the FFA would get its boobies back.
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No worries @comfortably numb This wasn't your fault. 

 
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I don’t know about you guys but my right elbow feels the best that it has in years.  

 
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comfortably numb said:
Ill take the blame. Got bored at times and thought id bring some life in. Would do a couple at a time. Didnt seem like a big deal but i can understand the overboard feeling when I would start 3 new ones and 6 old ones got bumped. It did seem like too much. (I'll still say the board only allowing 8 topics per page magnified this!!!! but anyway) Id glady walk away if it meant the FFA would get its boobies back.
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Not your fault, gb. Yes there were a lot but who knew it would cause an issue. Clearly it was an issue with Joe and would have come out eventually. You might have hastened the decision but that's not on you.

 
jamny said:
Is the Kate Upton thread gone? I'm guessing it is. So much funny in that one.
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No we're not allowed to objectify women. Even those who voluntarily appear every year on the cover of a magazine that objectifies women. 

 
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While I'm personally not a big fan of the decision made by Joe on this issue--I have to say that the reaction (over-reaction is probably more accurate) over it by many of the members is interesting and borderline pathetic at the same time.  I totally get that there are valid points in keeping them ( I used to enjoy those threads myself)--but I also understand that a person has to do what they think is in the best interest of their business.  Joe has made some great decisions as well---look at the politics sub-forum.  If somebody told me that we would have to trade away the "Who's Hottest" threads for the Political sub-forum--I'd sign up for that trade all day long.  Get a grip people--it's not that big a deal. 

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
While I'm personally not a big fan of the decision made by Joe on this issue--I have to say that the reaction (over-reaction is probably more accurate) over it by many of the members is interesting and borderline pathetic at the same time.  I totally get that there are valid points in keeping them ( I used to enjoy those threads myself)--but I also understand that a person has to do what they think is in the best interest of their business.  Joe has made some great decisions as well---look at the politics sub-forum.  If somebody told me that we would have to trade away the "Who's Hottest" threads for the Political sub-forum--I'd sign up for that trade all day long.  Get a grip people--it's not that big a deal. 
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I have no idea what it takes to run a fantasy football website. But, if the FFA (or PSF) does nothing to support the business, then why is it around at all? If it does do something to support the business, then why make a personal decision that causes a part of your customers to be unhappy or leave? Joe admitted that he had not received complaints on those threads from other posters. 

If it isn't broke, don't fix it. 

 
cap'n grunge said:
Thinking about this a bit more I can see how the owner of a business always has to be watchful of their image. I'm wondering though, how do posts like this fit into that calculus?

:scared:

I couldn't resist. Please don't ban me.
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That you’re trying to enforce some type of moral code while staying in business with Dodds is freaking astounding.  The propaganda that he’s pushed on this forum is far more damaging than anything you’re attempting to ban.

 
KCitons said:
I have no idea what it takes to run a fantasy football website. But, if the FFA (or PSF) does nothing to support the business, then why is it around at all? If it does do something to support the business, then why make a personal decision that causes a part of your customers to be unhappy or leave? Joe admitted that he had not received complaints on those threads from other posters. 

If it isn't broke, don't fix it. 
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Fair question KC. I think I'd answer that sometimes you just do what you think is the right thing. Simply because it's the right thing. Even if some customers don't like it. 

I understand the thought of "if it's not broken don't fix it". I'd say sometimes things are broken and not everyone sees it. 

 
KCitons said:
 If it does do something to support the business, then why make a personal decision that causes a part of your customers to be unhappy or leave? 
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It’s hard to believe this decision is going to harm his subscription numbers in any significant way.  

 
I'm waiting for someone to start posting "Who's Hottest" threads with people on fire.  As they aren't women, we should be okay.

 
Juxtatarot said:
It’s hard to believe this decision is going to harm his subscription numbers in any significant way.  
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KCitons said:
I have no idea what it takes to run a fantasy football website.
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 The question remains, if the FFA does nothing then why is it around. Seems to me a lot of time is spent policing something that doesn't help the business. 

I suspect that the FFA drives the traffic numbers for the entire site. Without it, the site wouldn't be worth as much as it is. 

 
KCitons said:
 The question remains, if the FFA does nothing then why is it around. Seems to me a lot of time is spent policing something that doesn't help the business. 

I suspect that the FFA drives the traffic numbers for the entire site. Without it, the site wouldn't be worth as much as it is. 
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The message board including the FFA certainly helps subscription numbers.

The presence or absense of Who’s Hottest threads will likely not have a significant impact in subscription numbers in either a positive or negative way.  

 
KCitons said:
I suspect that the FFA drives the traffic numbers for the entire site.
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This is nowhere close to true. I’ve been out of this business over 10 years and can tell you the number of active posters wasn’t more than a single digit percent of the the subscription numbers back then. I see no reason now to think that’s changed. 

Then and now I have similar thoughts about stuff like this. Adult men that whine about the entitlement of the young can act just as poorly or worse. There are many other message boards out there with varying degrees of moderation. Find the one that suits your taste. 

 
Honest question question Joe, have you considered changing the name of the site?  If boy scouts can change maybe football guys can too.

 
Juxtatarot said:
The message board including the FFA certainly helps subscription numbers.

The presence or absense of Who’s Hottest threads will likely not have a significant impact in subscription numbers in either a positive or negative way.  
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Its not the who's hottest threads its the general direction the community is being steered in a direction most do not agree with. 

Were all grown adults doing our best to be excellent to one another but were treated like children not being allowed to post pics of woman, discuss women, have discussions of sexual relations with our spouses or SO, have general fun like an anonymous thread. 

I get it if the site was a teachers message board or something but its a site where your general audience is male adults discussing football.

I mean...trophey hunting is becoming more and more frowned upon socially.  In a few months if Joe decides he doesnt want his site associated with this type of hunting and does away with the hunting thread (is there a hunting thread? Lets say there is so i can prove my point) it would suck for the people who do like to hunt and discuss hunting to be told that type of discussion is not permitted here because it no longer is what we wanna do around here.

The check in drunk thread or whatever its called, gambling thread, beer thread none of these being axed on their own will drive the masses away but the moral decision by Joe for the community....when the community did not ask for any changes is what is slowly driving people away.

Were all adults. Let the people be excellent to one another while being able to have adult discussions. 

Make a big disclaimer that the thoughts and views of the FFA expressed belong to the individuals posting and are not shared by footballguys LLC or something.

Make someone have to click an over 18 banner to enter the FFA in case some 15 year old wanders into a thread where grown men are joking about the colored dots they received last month from their wife. 

 
Hooper31 said:
This is nowhere close to true. I’ve been out of this business over 10 years and can tell you the number of active posters wasn’t more than a single digit percent of the the subscription numbers back then. I see no reason now to think that’s changed. 

Then and now I have similar thoughts about stuff like this. Adult men that whine about the entitlement of the young can act just as poorly or worse. There are many other message boards out there with varying degrees of moderation. Find the one that suits your taste. 
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You do realize that traffic is about frequency / hits per day? Without the FFA this place isn't generating significant traffic between the Super Bowl and the opening of training camp with just the draft and free agency being the only true draws of the off season. 

for example, last post on 2nd page of the pool is more than 40 hours ago. Same page in the soon to be renamed FFA, 13 hours ago. 

 
Epic Problem said:
You do realize that traffic is about frequency / hits per day? Without the FFA this place isn't generating significant traffic between the Super Bowl and the opening of training camp with just the draft and free agency being the only true draws of the off season. 

for example, last post on 2nd page of the pool is more than 40 hours ago. Same page in the soon to be renamed FFA, 13 hours ago. 
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So I realize? Of course I do. I get the perception. I once shared a similar thought. I was wrong. The FFA has little to do with the profit and loss of FBG. There’s (or there was) an overwhelming majority of subscribers to FBG that never see the FFA. 

 
Its the apps and the email that generate revenue. The message boards are dominated by the fringe hard core fantasy football enthusiasts. So why does Joe bother with the FFA? He likes it. I still like it too. We’re a collection of mostly middle aged guys that share a lot of common traits and life experiences.

 
The Ref said:
Yeah man you are welcome for the 16 years of support before you pulled the rug out to be the ethics police.

Look it's your site and at the end of the day there isn't anything any one of us can do about it.  But after 16+ years of support you are going to need to forgive some of us if we are a little miffed that you are pulling a "I don't care what you want because only my vote counts" routine after all these years.

it sucks honestly  
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This is what bothers me most.

 
Hooper31 said:
So I realize? Of course I do. I get the perception. I once shared a similar thought. I was wrong. The FFA has little to do with the profit and loss of FBG. There’s (or there was) an overwhelming majority of subscribers to FBG that never see the FFA. 
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I get that it doesn't have to do with the profit when it comes to the day to day, but when Joe and Doddzeman negotiate with Otis about the sale, and look at the valuation of their asset, the traffic this site generates 24/7/365 will also help determine the price tag. 

 
Epic Problem said:
You do realize that traffic is about frequency / hits per day? Without the FFA this place isn't generating significant traffic between the Super Bowl and the opening of training camp with just the draft and free agency being the only true draws of the off season. 

for example, last post on 2nd page of the pool is more than 40 hours ago. Same page in the soon to be renamed FFA, 13 hours ago. 
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I agree that it is dead here.  Can you explain in more detail how traffic, at this site in particular affects revenue?  Normal traffic relates to ad rates, but there is neither enough traffic, nor enough adds to generate significant ad revenue.

I don't know for sure but I have a high suspicion that most of the people on the FFA don't subscribe any more and as such changes made that may or may not hurt traffic won't really affect the bottom line a great deal.

 
NewlyRetired said:
I agree that it is dead here.  Can you explain in more detail how traffic, at this site in particular affects revenue?  Normal traffic relates to ad rates, but there is neither enough traffic, nor enough adds to generate significant ad revenue.

I don't know for sure but I have a high suspicion that most of the people on the FFA don't subscribe any more and as such changes made that may or may not hurt traffic won't really affect the bottom line a great deal.
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See above.., it's not about revenue generation, but the overall value of the asset. While it might not help bring :moneybag:  in on a day to day basis, if it is ever sold, Joe will definelty have the traffic this site generates in the pro column when negotiating a sale price. That's assuming there still is traffic. 

 
NewlyRetired said:
I agree that it is dead here. 

I don't know for sure but I have a high suspicion that most of the people on the FFA don't subscribe any more and as such changes made that may or may not hurt traffic won't really affect the bottom line a great deal.
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I agree with this sentiment.  The whole situation reminds me of when I was a kid and my favorite radio station changed formats.  I listened to them every night for years, and they did an entire 180 with completely different content.  

This place used to be my favorite rock and roll station.  Now it's going to be easy listening.  Just like back in the day.  Sucks.

 
Epic Problem said:
See above.., it's not about revenue generation, but the overall value of the asset. While it might not help bring :moneybag:  in on a day to day basis, if it is ever sold, Joe will definelty have the traffic this site generates in the pro column when negotiating a sale price. That's assuming there still is traffic. 
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it is always about revenue generation imo. 

Minimal traffic that does not generate ad revenue has very little value in a sale of a web site unless the perspective buyer thinks they can unlock some hidden value missed by the previous owner, but in this case the traffic is so small that even during peak times it is kind of a non starter imo.

 
NewlyRetired said:
it is always about revenue generation imo. 

Minimal traffic that does not generate ad revenue has very little value in a sale of a web site unless the perspective buyer thinks they can unlock some hidden value missed by the previous owner, but in this case the traffic is so small that even during peak times it is kind of a non starter imo.
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Who’s to say that if sold the new owner doesn’t generate ad revenue on the site? 

Joe & Co have been great about that aspect of the forum by keeping that crap out of here. Doesn’t mean it stays that way. See flanger’s radio station example above. 

 
Epic Problem said:
Who’s to say that if sold the new owner doesn’t generate ad revenue on the site? 
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do you follow ad rates for web sites? From what I can see whether you use CPM, CPC, or CPA, I don't think there is enough traffic to generate significant ad revenue.  I don't think FBG chooses to leave good money on the table.  I think it is more logical to think there is so little ad revenue to be had via forum traffic, that they don't bother.

But I will acknowledge that I certainly don't have any where near enough information to be sure so you could be just as right as I am.

 
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