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Mort reporting. What does this mean?

Full-blown rebuild mode with Luck and trading Manning?

 
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Two years too late, IMO. They have drafted poorly for a long time and ridden Manning's otherworldly ability.

 
I'm assuming he's talking about tanking the season to acquire #1 overall. Starting the season with Kerry Collins & Curtis Painter is the definition of insanity

 
If Peyton doesn't redo his roster bonus number, trading him won't be that easy. Isn't he due something like $28 million on March first? If would be a bit fiscally irresponsible to shell out that kind of money and then trade him.

 
$28 million on March 1st. Peyton will never see that money from the Colts. If he refuses to re-do the deal, the Colts may have to release him. Of course, this assumes Peyton can still play at all.

 
My pure speculation that no matter what the owners say, that it this a money decision. The Irsays got zero current value for signing Peyton and could be on the hook for lots more. My guess is that they did not like the answer the Polins gave about not knowing the extent of Peyton's injury nor at least having a better roster/coach/plan without Manning.

 
'Bruce Leroy said:
$28 million on March 1st. Peyton will never see that money from the Colts. If he refuses to re-do the deal, the Colts may have to release him. Of course, this assumes Peyton can still play at all.
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Flat out releasing Manning isn't exactly getting value from him, especially since some people think the Colts could extort a team for three first tround picks for Manning. (Palmer fetched a 1st and a 2nd . . . and it could have been two firsts if the Raiders had won yesterday . . . how much more would Peyton be worth if he showed up able to play?)
 
'David Yudkin said:
'Bruce Leroy said:
$28 million on March 1st. Peyton will never see that money from the Colts. If he refuses to re-do the deal, the Colts may have to release him. Of course, this assumes Peyton can still play at all.
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Flat out releasing Manning isn't exactly getting value from him, especially since some people think the Colts could extort a team for three first tround picks for Manning. (Palmer fetched a 1st and a 2nd . . . and it could have been two firsts if the Raiders had won yesterday . . . how much more would Peyton be worth if he showed up able to play?)
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There is only one Raider team in the league and they have traded the picks away already. I would think a 2nd rounder might be the most Indy would expect to get because of the financial part
 
'David Yudkin said:
'Bruce Leroy said:
$28 million on March 1st. Peyton will never see that money from the Colts. If he refuses to re-do the deal, the Colts may have to release him. Of course, this assumes Peyton can still play at all.
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Flat out releasing Manning isn't exactly getting value from him, especially since some people think the Colts could extort a team for three first tround picks for Manning. (Palmer fetched a 1st and a 2nd . . . and it could have been two firsts if the Raiders had won yesterday . . . how much more would Peyton be worth if he showed up able to play?)
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The value is in saving the money they'd have to pay him this year and putting it to better use. Shelling out the money for Manning at the start of 2011 seemed to make sense because they thought they had a contender. Now they are exposed, and it no longer makes sense.This team is in rebuild mode now, and it makes no sense to hang their hat on a 36 year old QB with a potential one-hit-and-your-through neck problem to still be effective in 2-4 years when they are again maybe competitive at other positions. The defense is a disaster, the OL can't protect. The running game is mostly non-existent. As for what the Raiders paid being held up as some sort of benchmark, let's not forget that 99.9% of the football world saw at the time the Raiders made a bad, bad deal and overpaid out of desperation, and did so because they handed the decision making over to a head coach who only thinks 'win now' and to heck with the future because that is a HC mentality, not a GM mentality. I'll also mention that Palmer is 32, not 36 with a neck no one knows will hold up with a big hit. I don't know who the 'some people' are who think Manning can fetch 3 firsts, but c'mon, get real. Not a chance.
 
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'Couch Potato said:
'David Yudkin said:
'Bruce Leroy said:
$28 million on March 1st. Peyton will never see that money from the Colts. If he refuses to re-do the deal, the Colts may have to release him. Of course, this assumes Peyton can still play at all.
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Flat out releasing Manning isn't exactly getting value from him, especially since some people think the Colts could extort a team for three first tround picks for Manning. (Palmer fetched a 1st and a 2nd . . . and it could have been two firsts if the Raiders had won yesterday . . . how much more would Peyton be worth if he showed up able to play?)
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The value is in saving the money they'd have to pay him this year and putting it to better use. Shelling out the money for Manning at the start of 2011 seemed to make sense because they thought they had a contender. Now they are exposed, and it no longer makes sense.This team is in rebuild mode now, and it makes no sense to hang their hat on a 36 year old QB with a potential one-hit-and-your-through neck problem to still be effective in 2-4 years when they are again maybe competitive at other positions. The defense is a disaster, the OL can't protect. The running game is mostly non-existent.

As for what the Raiders paid being held up as some sort of benchmark, let's not forget that 99.9% of the football world saw at the time the Raiders made a bad, bad deal and overpaid out of desperation, and did so because they handed the decision making over to a head coach who only thinks 'win now' and to heck with the future because that is a HC mentality, not a GM mentality. I'll also mention that Palmer is 32, not 36 with a neck no one knows will hold up with a big hit. I don't know who the 'some people' are who think Manning can fetch 3 firsts, but c'mon, get real. Not a chance.
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There are 31 other teams in the league, but it only takes 1 of them to think they are a QB away from a SB run. An early exit from the playoffs by the 49ers this year after a bad Alex Smith game and they could be that team. Maybe the Ravens. Not 3 1sts, but there could be a monster trade out there from a team that wants to get it done while they have the other pieces in place.
 
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This whole thing about the cupboard being bare...

Dan Orlovsky is a mediocre backup QB but somehow this guy kept this team supposedly bereft of talent within 1 TD of NE and generated 2 wins in the last 3 for a team that had had NONE.

The real shame - and I do mean "shame" - is that someone at the Colts decided to tank all year with Painter. Now whose call was that?

 
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'SacramentoBob said:
There are 31 other teams in the league, but it only takes 1 of them to think they are a QB away from a SB run. An early exit from the playoffs by the 49ers this year after a bad Alex Smith game and they could be that team.
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Besides SF, the Jets, Ravens, Titans, Broncos, Chiefs, Seahawks, and Cardinals might have a need and/or interest (and if Schaub isn't the same post injury the Texans). All of them would improve their playoff outlook with a healthy Manning (which admittedly is not a given). Who knows if they would go after him, how much they would be willing to give up for him, and how much they would be willing to pay him.
 
'SacramentoBob said:
'Couch Potato said:
'David Yudkin said:
'Bruce Leroy said:
$28 million on March 1st. Peyton will never see that money from the Colts. If he refuses to re-do the deal, the Colts may have to release him. Of course, this assumes Peyton can still play at all.
Click to expand...
Flat out releasing Manning isn't exactly getting value from him, especially since some people think the Colts could extort a team for three first tround picks for Manning. (Palmer fetched a 1st and a 2nd . . . and it could have been two firsts if the Raiders had won yesterday . . . how much more would Peyton be worth if he showed up able to play?)
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The value is in saving the money they'd have to pay him this year and putting it to better use. Shelling out the money for Manning at the start of 2011 seemed to make sense because they thought they had a contender. Now they are exposed, and it no longer makes sense.This team is in rebuild mode now, and it makes no sense to hang their hat on a 36 year old QB with a potential one-hit-and-your-through neck problem to still be effective in 2-4 years when they are again maybe competitive at other positions. The defense is a disaster, the OL can't protect. The running game is mostly non-existent.

As for what the Raiders paid being held up as some sort of benchmark, let's not forget that 99.9% of the football world saw at the time the Raiders made a bad, bad deal and overpaid out of desperation, and did so because they handed the decision making over to a head coach who only thinks 'win now' and to heck with the future because that is a HC mentality, not a GM mentality. I'll also mention that Palmer is 32, not 36 with a neck no one knows will hold up with a big hit. I don't know who the 'some people' are who think Manning can fetch 3 firsts, but c'mon, get real. Not a chance.
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There are 31 other teams in the league, but it only takes 1 of them to think they are a QB away from a SB run. An early exit from the playoffs by the 49ers this year after a bad Alex Smith game and they could be that team. Maybe the Ravens. Not 3 1sts, but there could be a monster trade out there from a team that wants to get it done while they have the other pieces in place.
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There is nothing Manning can do this offseason to demonstrate his neck will be able to withstand a big NFL hit. No team, on faith, will give up a boatload of picks for him. He is too old, too risky, and high picks are valuable. I could see a team like NYJ paying him an incentive-laden contract knowing they have Sanchez to fall back on if injured, but I really don't think SF is a realistic candidate for him. I live in the Bay Area and follow the team and just don't think that's Harbaugh's way. If they lose faith in Smith, I think Harbaugh has a lot of confidence in his ability to develop HIS young guy. This is now HIS team, and bringing in old Manning would make it Manning's team, and I just don't see that happening.

 
'Shane Falco said:
'rizzler said:
'pantherclub said:
'rizzler said:
RG3.Luck is for suckers.
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you are not very intelligent
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when RG3 outdoes Luck in the pros, I'll come back to this statement
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don't hold your breath...
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Everyone looks at these mobile QB's in college and think they can transition to the NFL with that same game level. Just isn't pratical when they take hit after hit, and not to mention every GM/Owner gringes with their million dollar man is taking on Patrick Wilis head on for 6 yard gain. Pocket passers are the success of the NFL and will always be as the defenses keep getting bigger, stronger, and faster. RG3 might have some flashy games, but overall Luck will be the better long term investment. IMO
 
'Johnny Bing said:
'Shane Falco said:
'rizzler said:
'pantherclub said:
'rizzler said:
RG3.Luck is for suckers.
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you are not very intelligent
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when RG3 outdoes Luck in the pros, I'll come back to this statement
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don't hold your breath...
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Everyone looks at these mobile QB's in college and think they can transition to the NFL with that same game level. Just isn't pratical when they take hit after hit, and not to mention every GM/Owner gringes with their million dollar man is taking on Patrick Wilis head on for 6 yard gain. Pocket passers are the success of the NFL and will always be as the defenses keep getting bigger, stronger, and faster. RG3 might have some flashy games, but overall Luck will be the better long term investment. IMO
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sure except that RG3 is an amazingly accurate, and powerful passer... along with being extremely mobile.he's no one trick pony.
 
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