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Dr Oadi said:
Dr Oadi said:
You will obey your governments re-classification of federal land, pay your grazing fees and stay in your designated first amendment zone or else!

http://www.infowars.com/federal-snipers-train-guns-on-family-for-filming-cattle/
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If you go to Nevada to support this man you better have funeral plans says Tom Collins County Commissioner. Obama and Reid are stealing cows and shutting down the farms so their Chinese friends can build their solar farms.
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There is lots of wrong to go around here. The rancher has not paid grazing rights for the federal land his cattle were grazing on for 20 years now. If he had kept up with those, I think he'd have a leg to stand on. Plus if you want the video, that is not my idea of a "peaceful" protest, if I was one of the officers I would be a little afraid one of the people protesting might actually be dangerous. We don't know what happened prior to the videos going on, at least not with certainty, either. People screaming at the officer's and cussing them out does not make for a peaceful situation (or protest).

That said, I do think the agents definitely overreacted (tasers and police dog, etc) and instead of shouting back should have tried to defuse the situation rather than what they did, which is basically put gas on the fire. As far as I could tell, none of the ranchers were armed, so the agents could have put their tasers/dogs away and try to discuss the situation despite the curses and shouts.

I don't think either side comes out looking like a winner, they both looked to be in the wrong.

As to the conspiracy angle to it, ("ahh, Chinese!, Harry Reid!"), I see clean energy as the kind of thing the gov't should be pursuing, and don't feel that is really connected here except that it is what might have driven the date to finally start relocating the cattle that shouldn't have been on the federal grounds to begin with (no grazing rights for 20 years...if they had "just" expired, I'd be more sympathetic, but 20 years? Sorry, I'm not sympathetic.

 
Ilov80s said:
Kind of a random thought, but I was watching "Pretty in Pink" today and was taken back by kids smoking in school. I graduated in 2000 and I can even remember being allowed to smoke outside the school. I know of older teachers that have been teaching for 30-35 years that talk about how there used to be a smoking section in the school for faculty and students. I remember in school, I got into a fist fight in the cafeteria. It was a private school and the result was a meeting with the Dean. He said if I got caught screwing up again, I would get a detention. Now, I work in a public school and it seems incredibly punitive in comparison. If you are found with a pack of cigarettes (regardless of age), it is a 4 day suspension for possession of drugs. Light up a smoke across the street as you leave school? 4 days for drug use. Get into a fight in cafeteria? 5 day suspension regardless whether you instigated or defended yourself. We have cameras with microphones everywhere but the class room and bath room. The drug dogs come 3-4x a year to sweep the building for drugs (rarely every find any). This is not a ghetto school. Its middle class, kids are generally well behaved, no gang problems, pretty typical kids.

It seems in some ways the police state/war on drugs starts in our local public schools.
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This makes me sad. Just the cost of having all these extra protections instead of something more useful is saddening.

 
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cstu said:
SWAT team throws flash grenade into a two year old's crib on a drug raid that turned up no drugs.
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It will only get worse. All those weapons we used in Iraq and Afghanistan are making their way back to our local police.

War Gear flows to Police Departments

50,000 Raids a Year

originally intended to tackle only the most dangerous criminals, such as murderers or hostage-takers. Now they are most commonly used to serve search warrants in drug-related cases...Some of the uses to which SWAT teams are put defy belief. In Maryland paramilitary police have been sent to break up illegal poker games; in Iowa, to arrest people suspected of petty fraud; in Arizona, to crack down on cockfighting.
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They don't knock, they burst in...so you better hope you don't own a gun. If you own a gun and get a hold of it thinking that it is a home invasion (well, a home invasion not carried out by the police) you run the risk of this

EARLY one morning a team of heavily armed police officers burst into the home of Eugene Mallory, an 80-year-old retired engineer in Los Angeles county. What happened next is unclear. The officer who shot Mr Mallory six times with a submachine gun says he was acting in self-defence—Mr Mallory also had a gun, though he was in bed and never fired it. Armed raids can be confusing: according to an investigation, the policeman initially believed that he had ordered Mr Mallory to “Drop the gun” before opening fire. However, an audio recording revealed that he said these words immediately after shooting him. Mr Mallory died. His family are suing the police
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What did the police find that was so important that they had to perform a Bin Laden like takedown? 2 marijuana plants.

 
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Ilov80s said:
Feds saying that they will respect a State's decision to allow marijuana is lip service. Obama is now directing the feds to cut off water that is being to grow weed. The States have no rights if the federal government has the power to cut off water or electricity. I am surprised this has gotten less coverage, especially from the wild right wingers.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/07/07/marijuana-medical-water-growers-pot-water-weed-column/12317313/
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Unbelievable.

 
Sadly not surprising. But once it gets traction they will face a huge public backlash and in the end all they will do is make more people think full legalization is the answer.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
 
NCCommish said:
Sadly not surprising. But once it gets traction they will face a huge public backlash and in the end all they will do is make more people think full legalization is the answer.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
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How many Seal Team 6 home invasions will create a tipping point? 100,000 a year? 200,000? There's already elderly people, babies, dogs, innocent mayors being killed, injured and assaulted often with nothing being found.
 
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Ilov80s said:
NCCommish said:
Sadly not surprising. But once it gets traction they will face a huge public backlash and in the end all they will do is make more people think full legalization is the answer.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
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How many Seal Team 6 home invasions will create a topping point? 100,000 a year? 200,000? There's already elderly people, babies, dogs, innocent mayors being killed, injured and assaulted often with nothing being found.
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I don't see how we stop this one.

 
Ilov80s said:
NCCommish said:
Sadly not surprising. But once it gets traction they will face a huge public backlash and in the end all they will do is make more people think full legalization is the answer.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
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How many Seal Team 6 home invasions will create a tipping point? 100,000 a year? 200,000? There's already elderly people, babies, dogs, innocent mayors being killed, injured and assaulted often with nothing being found.
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It's coming.

 
Dan Gladden said:
Ilov80s said:
Feds saying that they will respect a State's decision to allow marijuana is lip service. Obama is now directing the feds to cut off water that is being to grow weed. The States have no rights if the federal government has the power to cut off water or electricity. I am surprised this has gotten less coverage, especially from the wild right wingers.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/07/07/marijuana-medical-water-growers-pot-water-weed-column/12317313/
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Unbelievable.
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we will start growin it in michigan. plenty of water here, put a pump in the lakes! bam

there is a war coming, cops, lawyers judges, dont want pot illegal, keeps money in their pocket if it is illegal. screw them I say, stupid laws to begin with

 
Dan Gladden said:
Ilov80s said:
Feds saying that they will respect a State's decision to allow marijuana is lip service. Obama is now directing the feds to cut off water that is being to grow weed. The States have no rights if the federal government has the power to cut off water or electricity. I am surprised this has gotten less coverage, especially from the wild right wingers.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/07/07/marijuana-medical-water-growers-pot-water-weed-column/12317313/
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Unbelievable.
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Incredibly believable.

 
Glad I found this thread. Could rant for days.

Very troublesome reading these stories on what tends to be "alternative" news media, while everyone else in the world goes about their business paying attention to which celebrity is ####### who these days.

The MSM manipulation runs so incredibly deep. The more people I talk to about these topics, the more I find them sympathizing with the police, or at least playing Devil's Advocate to a dangerous level. When you've got a large group of people - and I don't mean to stereotype all law enforcement agents, I like most of you have friends in it at all levels - that truly abuse their power, and believe their badge grants them additional rights and privileges, but are continuously allowed to get away with seemingly more and more heinous acts of outright violence and crime against AMERICAN CIVILIANS, you've got a disaster waiting to happen.

It was mentioned earlier, but the continued militarization of our police force indicates it's only a matter of time before that's what they essentially turn into. They've begun to attempt to desensitize the nation to this - look at the f'n military combat brigade that was sent in Iraq War style to Boston to find one scared s-less 16 year old alleged terrorist in lieu of the marathon bombings. Meanwhile, officers are ripping AMERICAN CIVILIANS from their homes at gunpoint "for their own protection" just in case the big bad tewwowist is hiding out in the closet. And then, they get saluted and applauding on their way out of the city, having just broken lord knows how many laws, all under the guise of protecting the nation. Now - next time it happens (and it will) people won't really think twice about seeing tanks rolling down their block, or armored soldiers on every corner.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Sabertooth said:
How does is benefit cops to keep it pot legal?

I know most want it kept legal, but why?
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Cops generally want pot kept illegal. That gives them bigger budgets and work forces, and more impressive tanks.
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I think you would find a big difference in opinion based on area of the country and level of the officer. The average guys on the street doing the real work are probably more likely to want pot legal than the higher ups that manage the budget and have lofty executive/political aspirations.

 
returning from a canadian trip in the late 'just say no' 80's we got stopped at the border and searched. they found 1/2 gram of dirt weed my buddy had forgotten in his shaving kit. we all got questioned and they called some dyke in to cavity search the girl that was with us. they found nothing. he got a fined and she got a much needed finger banging. when we got thru we pulled out our stash from the gear shift column and got high.

 
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Chaka said:
NCCommish said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Anal cavity searches are fun.
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Glad those guys are getting paid at least. And you have to wonder what the people of these towns think about what this criminal stupidity has cost them. Will the voters hold anyone responsible? Until they do it's business as usual.
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As with most things most are too apathetic to know about it or care if they did.
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Actually if you can let people know their money is being spent to defend this crap they get pissed off. They don't like seeing their hard earned tax money going to defend this kind of unAmerican police state BS. But someone does have to get the message out there and make it stick.

 
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