dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Dominant defense, shaky offense.
Do you see them making it to the NFC Championship game? Super Bowl?
Do you see them making it to the NFC Championship game? Super Bowl?
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Poll: Are you sold on the Bears? (1 Viewer)
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Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
If you can get an early lead on the Bears and force them to pass, the #### will hit the fan with these guys.
two_dollars
Footballguy
End result will be no one outside of chicago believes in the Bears. That's fine. We're used to the disrespect. We like it that way. See you other teams in the playoffs.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
I said it many times- Cutler needs to get out of the pocket when he is in trouble and make plays with his rushing abilities. The ST unit can hit at any time and the defense is usually sound (with the exception of the NE beating. Two wild cards- Forte and the TE's
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
After the New England game do you blame us?Let's be honest, if the Lions had Stafford for a full game are the Bears really better than them?
two_dollars
Footballguy
Better than the LIONS? Are you serious?This is exactly what I'm talking about. They are 10-4 and people talk about them like they are 4-10. It's disgusting.add: New England has made fools out of a lot of teams this year.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
LOl ya. I didn't miss a snap between the two games. I know that the Lions beat them Week 1 and that was with Stafford playing 1/2 a game.Then with Stanton it was about even and the Bears won by what, 4 points? You put Stafford in there and I know the Bears dont' win that game.I'm just answering the question am I sold on the Bears......I am not. Bears fans need to enjoy this year and the wins they got over Detroit this year because the tide is turning in The North.
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Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Bears have only played 4 games against teams with winning records all year, and only 1 of those games was on the road. I don't think their record is representative of their actual level of competence. They're still a good team and all, but they are definitely pretty lucky so far schedule wise.
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two_dollars
Footballguy
Yeah, they're lucky to have won a game this year. They have been nothing but lucky, they get all the calls, they get wins because their field is sooo terrible, Cutler is the worst QB in the NFL, they don't put up 40 a night or even 30, defense isn't how you win you win by putting up fantasy points, Urlacher is over rated, Martz is a terrible coordinator, the defense is over rated, the o-line is the worst in football, Forte is a bad NFL running back, they have no good wide receivers, the cover 2 is out dated, did I mention Cutler sucks?
Why this team isn't 0-14 I'll never know..
Why this team isn't 0-14 I'll never know..
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I think they were the most consistent team in the North this year and deserve to win the division. If Donald Trump told you that you get 1 million dollars if you pick exactly where the Bears either lose in the playoffs or win the SB, what would you pick?I personally don't think there are any powerhouses in the NFC so that favors the Bears. I think the Bears have a shot to win a home game in the playoffs but will most likely lose when they hit the road. How about you?
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If the Lions played every game up to their full potential they'd be over .500, potentially tied or in 1st place, with wins over the Bears, Packers(sweep), Eagles, Bills, Jets. Thats only flipping the CJ game and loses of 3 points or fewer. If the Lions did that and the Bears were still in wild card contention that loss wouldnt look so bad. So instead of making your point half way and then condemning us with it, just come out and say that the Lions pose a real threat next year if they have a good off-season and are a lot better than a lot of people think. But a lot of people are stupid and we can talk about the Lions in another thread. Were the Bears lucky to get a win when they made a few mistakes, Lovie coached poorly and a highly questionable NFL rule was exposed? Yes. The Bears were overrated early in the year, they got exposed and they've improved. They might get exposed again. I'm not saying you should be sold on the Bears. I just don't think any one week, especially week 1, is a great metric for predicting playoff success.
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Might be the case, but one word I'd use to describe the Bears is inconsistent.
Says more about the other teams in the division than anything else. It's pretty hard to project until we know the seeding. I like theyre chances fairly well at home against most teams (some more than others obviously). I don't feel too good if they travel to Philly. Obviously its a game they can win, but it takes a fairly flawless performance. They match up decently with ATL, but its hard to pick against the Falcons at home. It's safe to say they wont be favorites against the Pats if they make it that far 
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Yes, but I am not sure I see them winning more than one playoff game. I think that even they win their first round game (I project them to be the 3 seed), winning at Philly in the divisional round will be an enormous task. I know they beat the Eagles last month, but that was in Chicago. Playing at Philly will be a whole different ball game. So, yeah, I believe in them, but I don't see them being a Super Bowl team.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Who would get the tie-breaker, and bye, as the No. 2 seed in the NFC if Philly and Chicago end up tied?
Anyone know?
No. 3 seed will get the Giants or Packers in the first round playoff game, not an easy task.
Anyone know?
No. 3 seed will get the Giants or Packers in the first round playoff game, not an easy task.
two_dollars
Footballguy
Chicago gets the 2 if they end up tied with Philly, they won the head to head.
You know...this good def, good special teams, mediocre offense that manages the game formula...hm...where did I hear that before in the superbowl?
Oh yeah...baltimore? pittsburgh? The bears offense doesn't need to be the colts or the pats to rep the nfc. Hell, Dilfer won the SB on the back of the defense. And are you saying he's better than Cutler?
Yes..Bears had good breaks this year and a soft schedule. NO had a soft schedule last year. Hell, the 78 Dolphins had the easiest schedule in the history of the league. It's part of football. And one thing that is true about breaks...sometimes, good teams make their luck. A lot of people say that GB got a lot of calls during their game. You know what? The Def made the oline so skittish that they jumped often. As for Detroit, they definitely are getting better by leaps and bounds, but they're still a bad team. Bad teams make mistakes and are more undisciplined.
You can only attribute a few things to pure luck. Sometimes, good teams make their own luck.
Oh yeah...baltimore? pittsburgh? The bears offense doesn't need to be the colts or the pats to rep the nfc. Hell, Dilfer won the SB on the back of the defense. And are you saying he's better than Cutler?
Yes..Bears had good breaks this year and a soft schedule. NO had a soft schedule last year. Hell, the 78 Dolphins had the easiest schedule in the history of the league. It's part of football. And one thing that is true about breaks...sometimes, good teams make their luck. A lot of people say that GB got a lot of calls during their game. You know what? The Def made the oline so skittish that they jumped often. As for Detroit, they definitely are getting better by leaps and bounds, but they're still a bad team. Bad teams make mistakes and are more undisciplined.
You can only attribute a few things to pure luck. Sometimes, good teams make their own luck.
I guess it comes down to thinking this Bears defense isn't anywhere near as good as those defenses you mention. Baltimore and the Stillers were playing lights out dominating defense to win those titles. Could the Bears go on a NYG run sure, but I highly doubt it.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
I also wouldn't label Cutler as a game manager type QB. He's a gunslinger no doubt about it.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Easy schedule - Check
Stayed unusually healthy - Check
Favorable game changing calls - Check
Geat timing in getting their opponents at their most weakened by crucial injuries - Check
The formula of dominating defense, a great running game, and great special teams is a winning formula. Bears fans think they have this. They don't. Their defense is good, not great. Their defense has not dominated. Yes their stats look good ,but that is a function of an easy schedule and getting teamsdevastated by injury. As for their running game it is nothing special. Not bottom half, but not near elite.
What the Bears have is good fortune, great timing, and elite special teams. The clock is going to strike midnight here real soon. I believe they end their season with three loses.
Stayed unusually healthy - Check
Favorable game changing calls - Check
Geat timing in getting their opponents at their most weakened by crucial injuries - Check
The formula of dominating defense, a great running game, and great special teams is a winning formula. Bears fans think they have this. They don't. Their defense is good, not great. Their defense has not dominated. Yes their stats look good ,but that is a function of an easy schedule and getting teamsdevastated by injury. As for their running game it is nothing special. Not bottom half, but not near elite.
What the Bears have is good fortune, great timing, and elite special teams. The clock is going to strike midnight here real soon. I believe they end their season with three loses.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Voted no. When they play their best and the breaks go their way they can beat any team in the league. However they are too inconsistent to be counted on. It appears that unless they have a comfortable lead they stuggle to pass protect and establish a legitimate running game. Defensively it's the same thing, play great from a power position and struggle when in the hole.
The final thing that concerns me is that they typically get out coached and often fail to make adjustments throughout the course of the game. I'd like to think this is the Bear's year, but I can't honestly. If I had to bet my money would be against the Bears. I don't think they match up well with high powered offenses, for example: Philadelphia, Atlanta, and New Orleans.
The final thing that concerns me is that they typically get out coached and often fail to make adjustments throughout the course of the game. I'd like to think this is the Bear's year, but I can't honestly. If I had to bet my money would be against the Bears. I don't think they match up well with high powered offenses, for example: Philadelphia, Atlanta, and New Orleans.
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ScottyFargo
Footballguy
As of week 8 everyone thought Green Bay was still going to win the division, but the Bears (with help from the deconstructed Packer team that refused to win the games it had to and lost the games against superior opponents on the road) made short work of that. It's no surprise that Packer fans are still higher on their team than they should be and are still down on the Bears. They've been pot committed with their hyperbolic self-love for months and still refuse to see what's going on.
I don't know how far the Bears will go in the Playoffs, I believe Atlanta and New Orleans are the stronger teams in the playoff picture, but they won the NFC north with no competition this year, and that is certainly worth something.
I don't know how far the Bears will go in the Playoffs, I believe Atlanta and New Orleans are the stronger teams in the playoff picture, but they won the NFC north with no competition this year, and that is certainly worth something.
Sinrman
Footballguy
I think the Bears can make a splash. Just something about them still makes me kind of scratch my head. Defense seems to be a lot better, and more
like years past. The offense seems kinda up and down a lot though. Only thing I can put my finger on this possibly shaky WR play. Forte seems to be
doing much better, and I think he needs to be used more, a la how Brian Westbrook used to be used in Philly. Cutler needs to continue being smarter with
the football and not tossing a lot of INTs. More consistency out of the WRs I think is the key. Knox has potential. Hester doesn't seem to be adapting like
I thought he would. The other WRs? Eh, they are doing ok here and there, but just not consistent... Ok I'm rambling now...
like years past. The offense seems kinda up and down a lot though. Only thing I can put my finger on this possibly shaky WR play. Forte seems to be
doing much better, and I think he needs to be used more, a la how Brian Westbrook used to be used in Philly. Cutler needs to continue being smarter with
the football and not tossing a lot of INTs. More consistency out of the WRs I think is the key. Knox has potential. Hester doesn't seem to be adapting like
I thought he would. The other WRs? Eh, they are doing ok here and there, but just not consistent... Ok I'm rambling now...
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Im shocked that scotty turned a thread about the Bears into a post bashing Packer fans and the Packers.With no competition? What planet are you on?Can you point to the post prior to yours where a Packer fan said anything about the Packers?We discussed the Bears...and several Packer fans said they had a shot...at least 50/50.
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daveR
Footballguy
I think that the mixture of replies pretty much defines them right now. They are a gray-area team that has put themselves into an advantageous situation. ( "Are you sold-- yes or no" leaves out the more accurate "Probably" or "Probably not" options. ) If they get the first week bye, they should make the championship game (in Atl?). That would be a good matchup that either team could win.
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boubucarow
Footballguy
I see it the same way. Could they make it to the Super Bowl? Yeah. Would I bet on them to do it? No. They can't be considered a favorite entirely because of their offensive line. The pass protection has improved but still has WTF moments. The run blocking is basically a joke. The special teams and defense are very good to great. They have a chance but I am confident? They very likely could lose their opening game.
As a Chicagoan and Bears fan, I do believe the Bears have a chance of making it to the Super Bowl. Now do not confuse that statement with homerism and think that they are a lock. It is indeed an uphill battle and still have two tough match ups to get a first round bye.
Offense - yes Cutler is erratic and inconsistent and our O-line is THE WORST O-LINE IN THE NFL, but yet we still manage to score points. We have overall one of the worst offenses ever and I credit that to the line more than the QB and the scheme. Also, Cutler is NOT a game manager. Cutler is a game winner who had to adjust his role because his receivers can't run the right routes sometimes and the O-line can't block for the life of them. I will not argue that Cutler still has to improve, but the jury is still out on him until he has a better O-line and receivers. After that, he has no excuses.
Defense - I think the defense is kind of underrated. They are third in the NFL against the run, 14th against the pass, tied for third for interceptions, and third for points given up. When you are top 3 in three of those categories, it is clear that their defense is better than average. What is different from this year and last? We are healthy and have Urlacher (he was not playing last year) and Peppers.
Special Teams - Devin Hester.... do not kick it to him! He is ridiculous!
So all in all, if we lose, it will be because of the poor O-line of the Bears and erratic play of Cutler. Did we have some plays that favored us? Sure, but which team did not get a few plays in their favor throughout the season? I hope we get the first round bye, but it will be a tough underdog match up if/when we play the Packers or Giants. In any case, they are contenders, but expectations should be tempered with their inconsistent offense.
Offense - yes Cutler is erratic and inconsistent and our O-line is THE WORST O-LINE IN THE NFL, but yet we still manage to score points. We have overall one of the worst offenses ever and I credit that to the line more than the QB and the scheme. Also, Cutler is NOT a game manager. Cutler is a game winner who had to adjust his role because his receivers can't run the right routes sometimes and the O-line can't block for the life of them. I will not argue that Cutler still has to improve, but the jury is still out on him until he has a better O-line and receivers. After that, he has no excuses.
Defense - I think the defense is kind of underrated. They are third in the NFL against the run, 14th against the pass, tied for third for interceptions, and third for points given up. When you are top 3 in three of those categories, it is clear that their defense is better than average. What is different from this year and last? We are healthy and have Urlacher (he was not playing last year) and Peppers.
Special Teams - Devin Hester.... do not kick it to him! He is ridiculous!
So all in all, if we lose, it will be because of the poor O-line of the Bears and erratic play of Cutler. Did we have some plays that favored us? Sure, but which team did not get a few plays in their favor throughout the season? I hope we get the first round bye, but it will be a tough underdog match up if/when we play the Packers or Giants. In any case, they are contenders, but expectations should be tempered with their inconsistent offense.
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CaptainHook
Footballguy
they were below average to start the year but they have had absolutely no injuries which never happens so now they are above average
boubucarow
Footballguy
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Very tough call, so I voted no. I'm encouraged by the maturation of the offense, but feel they fall short on talent at the skill positions. The defense also worries me a bit. They struggle when they can't force turnovers because they do let teams move the ball. Special teams is solid—probably the best in football. Hester can change games in a way that has helped the team cover up some of its weaknesses. This team has huge mood swings. They can be great at times, and horrible at others. I think they'll grow to show more consistently good play, but I don't know if that will happen in time for this year's playoffs.
Frankly though, I'm happy to see them going to the playoffs. Anything they do once they're there is a bonus to me.
Frankly though, I'm happy to see them going to the playoffs. Anything they do once they're there is a bonus to me.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
They've overacheived, which is a credit to the entire coaching staff.
They're good enough to win, but whoeever comes out of the NFC will need some breaks
They're good enough to win, but whoeever comes out of the NFC will need some breaks
Clifford
Footballguy
we've had various injuries to the o-line all season
knowledge going on in this thread.
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
It's just fuzzy because everyone still seems to think the Packers are better than the Bears, but the Pack lost to Detroit. So they're trying to reconcile this paradox somehow.Is this a serious question? You're asking if a team that has won 3 games is better than a team with 10 wins? Just because the Lions almost beat them in the first game of the season?greatIwannabeacowboybaby! said:knowledge going on in this thread.
sho nuff
Footballguy
More Packer talk...wow...just wow.It's just fuzzy because everyone still seems to think the Packers are better than the Bears, but the Pack lost to Detroit. So they're trying to reconcile this paradox somehow.Is this a serious question? You're asking if a team that has won 3 games is better than a team with 10 wins? Just because the Lions almost beat them in the first game of the season?greatIwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Now that his team's season has been done for weeks, it appears the only thing he can do to entertain himself is to try and get in a pissing match with some packer fans...Poor guy...More Packer talk...wow...just wow.It's just fuzzy because everyone still seems to think the Packers are better than the Bears, but the Pack lost to Detroit. So they're trying to reconcile this paradox somehow.Is this a serious question? You're asking if a team that has won 3 games is better than a team with 10 wins? Just because the Lions almost beat them in the first game of the season?greatIwannabeacowboybaby! said:knowledge going on in this thread.
Clifford
Footballguy
You obviously haven't watched any Bears games this season. In one game, I think it was against Washington, we literally had three touchdowns in a row called back based on questionable calls. And we lost that game. So you're saying having 3 touchdowns in a row called back in a loss is getting "favorable, game-changing calls." Other than the one CJ play, what callS are you referring to?Hate to keep spoiling this with facts, but the Bears are third in the league in total ppg, 8th in yards per game, 3rd in rushing yards pg, tied for third in interceptions, and tied for second in forced fumbles. And I see you have already swept away stats as any justification of how good they are (convenient) and attributed any success to an easy schedule. I would think winning your division, being tied for third in ppg allowed might suffice.Sudsy said:
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sho nuff
Footballguy
With road wins against Dallas (5-9), Carolina (2-12), Buffalo (4-10), Miami (7-7), Detroit (4-10) and Minnesota (5-9).
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
It's amazing how you take the bait every single time.
Clifford
Footballguy
What were the records when they played?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Are you going to try to spin it with that list of teams?Dallas was 0-1, Carolina was 0-4, Buffalo was 0-7, Miami was 5-4 (and starting Thigpen), Detroit was 2-9, Minnesota was 5-9.
Oops...that actually made your point even worse and strengthened my argument.
There is no argument to the Bear's schedule this year, we did get "lucky" with teams who were projected to do well, do bad (Cowboys, Vikings). But we still beat the Packers and the Eagles which warrants some credit of the team's success. And if you really want to use the whole standings argument, every team has bad losses including your Packers. I mean, you guys lost to the Redskins, the Dolphins and the Lions.I am not saying the Packers team sucks, you guys have a great team, but to rain on the Bears parade by saying we beat all "easy" teams is a bit too much. The Bears don't pick the teams and teams like the Cowboys and Vikings were suppose to trounce the Bears during the season and they flopped. But I know we lost to some easy teams too, but almost every team in the NFL is like that. The only thing I say we are lucky/fortunate at is that no one is hurt.
Will the Bears make it to the Super Bowl? No one knows. Can the Bears make it there? Definitely.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Oh, I agree here on things.I was not trying to just use a schedule excuse...just downplaying that 6-1 road record. The only tough road game they had, they lost and lost bad.I had not even realized their road schedule was that easy until I started looking at it.But they did beat GB and Philly...good wins for sure.And I agree, the Packers have 3 really bad losses right now (Miami, Washington, and Detroit). Which is why they are on the outside looking in right now.But again, my post had nothing to do with the Packers. Im not trying to push their schedule as tough. Was just replying to the post about the Bears 6-1 road record.
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