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jamny said:
Mad Men is one of those shows that I enjoyed but rarely recommend to others to watch. It has a narrow appeal and I'm just not sure if someone would like it or not. Unlike Breaking Bad where I tell anyone that hasn't seen it that they should at least watch the first episode. Most people get hooked pretty quick on it.
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I'm the opposite. Those who dont know the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat it and, having lived much of man's transition from ancient to modern, it bothers me tremendously to see a lack of curiosity over how we've become what we've become. Mad Men is existential, a course on what men first do with everyday free will and how that impacts their lives and loved ones. The postwar world was closer to Christ's time than today in its ways, so these years have been a remarkable transition. MM is the best artistic reflection of that epic epoch that i've seen. If you dont like it, you don't like it but, if you arent interested in the perspective it might give you, you're wrong.

 
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TLEF316 said:
Not sure what "fake" means in the sense of a competition show. Do the producers of Survivor cast for "characters", potential conflict, etc. Sure. Do they manipulate the game to drive narratives and create what they feel will be interesting (and therefore profitable) television? Absolutely. Its a business after all. You want to tell me that every person who goes on Survivor is an actor or that the events of the show are 95% scripted? Not sure I buy that. 

There's no way that show is in the same genre as The Real Housewives of Atlanta.  Its a competition. There's a winner. There's a prize (and the prize isn't a "relationship" like The Bachelor).  Survivor Fans dont watch the show to see "drama". They enjoy watching the competition (physical, mental and social) and strategy.  The people aren't actors, so its technically a "reality show" but its closer to a game show (a very complex one) or something like the world series of poker than Keeping up with the Kardashians.
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Fake.  The 15 minute Tribal Council takes hours to shoot because they are literally "counseled" by the producers on how to vote.

The contestants are recruited.

They are all paid.

They are told what to wear.

They are driven to tribal council and challenges in vehicles.

The challenges are not a surprise.

They regularly use body doubles.

I could go on and on how it is exactly like Real Housewives.  Sorry I ruined your favorite show for you.

 
wikkidpissah said:
I'm the opposite. Those who dont know the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat it and, having lived much of man's transition from ancient to modern, it bothers me tremendously to see a lack of curiosity over how we've become what we've become. Mad Men is existential, a course on what men first do with everyday free will and how that impacts their lives and loved ones. The postwar world was closer to Christ's time than today in its ways, so these years have been a remarkable transition. MM is the best artistic reflection of that epic epoch that i've seen. If you dont like it, you don't like it but, if you arent interested in the perspective it might give you, you're wrong.
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never watched an episode, never bought in to the hype, never cared for the devotees screaming in my ear to WATCH IT, IT IS SO AMAZING!!1!

however,  your post paints an irresistible premise and perspective, one that i can/will not ignore much longer. 

 *Mad Men on Kodi*

let's do this ?

 
otb_lifer said:
never watched an episode, never bought in to the hype, never cared for the devotees screaming in my ear to WATCH IT, IT IS SO AMAZING!!1!

however,  your post paints an irresistible premise and perspective, one that i can/will not ignore much longer. 

 *Mad Men on Kodi*

let's do this ?
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IN

 
tonydead said:
Fake.  The 15 minute Tribal Council takes hours to shoot because they are literally "counseled" by the producers on how to vote.

The contestants are recruited.

They are all paid.

They are told what to wear.

They are driven to tribal council and challenges in vehicles.

The challenges are not a surprise.

They regularly use body doubles.

I could go on and on how it is exactly like Real Housewives.  Sorry I ruined your favorite show for you.
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Knew pretty much all of this. Don't really care. Not sure how any of this ruins the show. 

Still not even close to the same thing. If you don't see the difference between people competing for a million dollars (even if some of them are aspiring actors/models/whatever) and a bunch of annoying women getting taped going for coffee and talking trash about each other I'm not sure what to say.

 
TLEF316 said:
Knew pretty much all of this. Don't really care. Not sure how any of this ruins the show. 

Still not even close to the same thing. If you don't see the difference between people competing for a million dollars (even if some of them are aspiring actors/models/whatever) and a bunch of annoying women getting taped going for coffee and talking trash about each other I'm not sure what to say.
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Because all you have to do is substitute "going for cofffee" with "pretending to try and light a fire" and they are exactly the same.

 
jamny said:
Mad Men is one of those shows that I enjoyed but rarely recommend to others to watch. It has a narrow appeal and I'm just not sure if someone would like it or not. Unlike Breaking Bad where I tell anyone that hasn't seen it that they should at least watch the first episode. Most people get hooked pretty quick on it.
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I find the opposite to be true.  Most people that I know that haven't seen BrBa say that it's because it starts too slow, they lose interest or can't make it past the first few episodes.  It didn't hook me until around the middle of S1

 
otb_lifer said:
for those selling "Modern Family" short, i am here as a convert to say it's a damn good show - through the gift of streaming (Mobdro), this is on a continuous 24/7 loop, so i never had (have) to really search it out and commit ... but i do watch it quite a bit, and it has really grown on me.  always had a disdain for the premise, and never thought i'd cross over, but, i'm now IN - btw, the gay couple is the highlight of the show ... their chemistry is phenomenal  :thumbup:  
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Better than average writing and they keep up a fast pace, not stretching plots out like most sitcoms.

 
tonydead said:
Fake.  The 15 minute Tribal Council takes hours to shoot because they are literally "counseled" by the producers on how to vote.

The contestants are recruited.

They are all paid.

They are told what to wear.

They are driven to tribal council and challenges in vehicles.

The challenges are not a surprise.

They regularly use body doubles.

I could go on and on how it is exactly like Real Housewives.  Sorry I ruined your favorite show for you.
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Gee, this sounds a lot like professional wrestling.

 
TLEF316 said:
If you say so. Who won last season of keeping up with the Kardashians?
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You're the one making the claim that we shouldn't lump all reality tv shows together.  Are you trying to say their isn't any competition going on in Real Housewives or the Kardashians?  Reality tv wouldn't exist without competition and conflict.  All you have so far to make any distinction is the type of prize they hand out to the winner at the end?

ETA: Big Brother - real or fake?  They hand out $500,000 to the winner.

 
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tonydead said:
You're the one making the claim that we shouldn't lump all reality tv shows together.  Are you trying to say their isn't any competition going on in Real Housewives or the Kardashians?  Reality tv wouldn't exist without completion and conflict.  All you have so far to make any distinction is the type of prize they hand out to the winner at the end?
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Conflict (or "drama") isn't competition. (and even with all the stuff you mentioned above, Survivor is a competition) This really isn't hard.  Using that argument, the NBA or NFL (where officials and other things behind the scenes have a heavy influence over the results) are the same thing as the Kardashians as well.

Yes, Survivor and other "Reality Competition" type shows have some of the same features of other "non-scripted" shows. The producers pick (or even recruit) interesting people, make choices to try and drive narratives and edit the footage to try and complete those narratives. But at the end of the day, most people dont mainly watch Survivor to see "The drama". (although personal interactions between the contestants are obviously part of the game and often part of the entertainment factor). But that's why people watch the Real Housewives.  They want to see if Muffy McGoldDigger and Sharrie FakeTits will start screaming at eachother because one of them made a comment about the other's shoes to Missy Liposuction.

You disagree. That's fine.

 
I’m all for people saying they don’t like Mad Men. It lets me know who they really are. Like Trump supporters and people that get excited when a Cheesecake Factory or Cracker Barrell comes to their town.

 
wlwiles said:
I find the opposite to be true.  Most people that I know that haven't seen BrBa say that it's because it starts too slow, they lose interest or can't make it past the first few episodes.  It didn't hook me until around the middle of S1
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this is exactly what i found upon my trial run ... got to the episode where he was at the wealthy old friend's swank party ...that's all i remember getting to before stopping  :shrug:

 
TLEF316 said:
Conflict (or "drama") isn't competition. (and even with all the stuff you mentioned above, Survivor is a competition) This really isn't hard.  Using that argument, the NBA or NFL (where officials and other things behind the scenes have a heavy influence over the results) are the same thing as the Kardashians as well.

Yes, Survivor and other "Reality Competition" type shows have some of the same features of other "non-scripted" shows. The producers pick (or even recruit) interesting people, make choices to try and drive narratives and edit the footage to try and complete those narratives. But at the end of the day, most people dont mainly watch Survivor to see "The drama". (although personal interactions between the contestants are obviously part of the game and often part of the entertainment factor). But that's why people watch the Real Housewives.  They want to see if Muffy McGoldDigger and Sharrie FakeTits will start screaming at eachother because one of them made a comment about the other's shoes to Missy Liposuction.

You disagree. That's fine.
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So Big Brother then, falls into your competition category?      :lmao: Don't kid yourself, people who watch Survivor watch it for the drama.

 
Josie Maran said:
It's also a lot of "Look at me, I can drink at the office and smoke on an airplane!"
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I can see why people aren't excited about it.  For me, I just like the era.  I was born in 73 and enjoyed being a kid.  Aunts and uncles all had those hairdos and dressed like that.  Their homes were decorated like that.  Fast forward to my teen years (mid-80's) and I was pretty miserable.  Plus, as an accounting guy, I always just assumed the marketing folks were always drunk and screwin around all day anyway.  So it supports part of my worldview.

 
jamny said:
Mad Men is one of those shows that I enjoyed but rarely recommend to others to watch. It has a narrow appeal and I'm just not sure if someone would like it or not. Unlike Breaking Bad where I tell anyone that hasn't seen it that they should at least watch the first episode. Most people get hooked pretty quick on it.
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You think it's over Ahrn's head, we get it.

 
bcdjr1 said:
Breaking Bad was just boring. The two leads were morons and each season seemed to be a reiteration (How can we make money fast? Let's make and sell meth! We've pissed off drug dealers and they're trying to kill us! Whew, we barely escaped that situation alive. End season. New season, how can we make money fast? Repeat until they finally die.) 
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While a lot of what you said is true, none if it is what made the show so great.

What made the show so great was that by the end of the series Walter White was a completely different person than who he started out as. He went from a high school teacher to a drug lord. In fact, at the end of each season he was a completely different person than he was at the beginning of the season. Not only did we get to see the character change, we got to see all the motivations for the change. 

To give a comparison for some perspective. George Lucas tried to do the same thing so that Star Wars fans could see how a simple boy could become a Sith Lord. He failed miserably at it, where as Vince Gilligan excelled at it. 

There are good reasons to not like Breaking Bad. My wife just couldn't stand the violence, so I watched it by myself. But to say it was boring is ridiculous. Looks like you missed the whole point of the show.  

 
Politician Spock said:
While a lot of what you said is true, none if it is what made the show so great.

What made the show so great was that by the end of the series Walter White was a completely different person than who he started out as. He went from a high school teacher to a drug lord. In fact, at the end of each season he was a completely different person than he was at the beginning of the season. Not only did we get to see the character change, we got to see all the motivations for the change. 

To give a comparison for some perspective. George Lucas tried to do the same thing so that Star Wars fans could see how a simple boy could become a Sith Lord. He failed miserably at it, where as Vince Gilligan excelled at it. 

There are good reasons to not like Breaking Bad. My wife just couldn't stand the violence, so I watched it by myself. But to say it was boring is ridiculous. Looks like you missed the whole point of the show.  
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No, I got it, I just didn't care.

Besides, did he really change all that much? Sure he was a school teacher and then he was a drug lord. So? That's just a vocation. How different of a person are you really when, in similar situations, you keep making the same decisions?

The main change in his character happens when he learns he's dying and decides he doesn't need to follow the rules because he won't live to see the consequences. That's like s1e1. The rest is just him becoming more confident in that choice no matter how many times he should've learned better. 

 
Friends

Seinfeld

Will and Grace

Any Law&Order show or any CSI show (though I did love the first few seasons of the original CSI)

 
bcdjr1 said:
No, I got it, I just didn't care.

Besides, did he really change all that much? Sure he was a school teacher and then he was a drug lord. So? That's just a vocation. How different of a person are you really when, in similar situations, you keep making the same decisions?

The main change in his character happens when he learns he's dying and decides he doesn't need to follow the rules because he won't live to see the consequences. That's like s1e1. The rest is just him becoming more confident in that choice no matter how many times he should've learned better. 
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:lmao:

I'm trying to picture one of my high school teachers having this conversation at home:

Skyler White: Walt, please, let's both of us stop trying to justify this whole thing and admit you're in danger!

Walter White: Who are you talking to right now? Who is it you think you see? Do you know how much I make a year? I mean, even if I told you, you wouldn't believe it. Do you know what would happen if I suddenly decided to stop going into work? A business big enough that it could be listed on the NASDAQ goes belly up. Disappears! It ceases to exist without me. No, you clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in. I am not in danger, Skyler. I am the danger. A guy opens his door and gets shot and you think that of me? No. I am the one who knocks!
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bcdjr1 said:
No, I got it, I just didn't care.

Besides, did he really change all that much? Sure he was a school teacher and then he was a drug lord. So? That's just a vocation. How different of a person are you really when, in similar situations, you keep making the same decisions?

The main change in his character happens when he learns he's dying and decides he doesn't need to follow the rules because he won't live to see the consequences. That's like s1e1. The rest is just him becoming more confident in that choice no matter how many times he should've learned better. 
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You say you got it followed by it's just a vocation?  You didn't get it.

 
bcdjr1 said:
No, I got it, I just didn't care.

Besides, did he really change all that much? Sure he was a school teacher and then he was a drug lord. So? That's just a vocation. How different of a person are you really when, in similar situations, you keep making the same decisions?

The main change in his character happens when he learns he's dying and decides he doesn't need to follow the rules because he won't live to see the consequences. That's like s1e1. The rest is just him becoming more confident in that choice no matter how many times he should've learned better. 
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Someone needs a trip to Belize.

 
Politician Spock said:
:lmao:

I'm trying to picture one of my high school teachers having this conversation at home:
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Like I said, the change in his character was mostly when he decided to stop caring about the consequences, which was s1e1. Then he got more confident about it. After that first episode, he was a criminal, not a hs teacher. Can you not imagine a criminal having that conversation? 

From then on, he didn't change much. Each season he would continue to make the same dumb decisions that put himself and everyone connected to him in danger even after spending the previous season struggling to get out of the danger the decisions from last season put him in. He never once thought "Oh, last time I tried to make money in the drug trade turned out quite poorly. Perhaps I should try something different." He liked being a criminal and he liked the thrill of being in danger, so he just repeated his mistakes over and over with the same results. If he hadn't died in the last season, it would've just repeated again the next season until he finally did die. 

 
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bcdjr1 said:
Like I said, the change in his character was mostly when he decided to stop caring about the consequences, which was s1e1. Then he got more confident about it. After that first episode, he was a criminal, not a hs teacher. Can you not imagine a criminal having that conversation? 

From then on , he didn't change much. Each season he would continue to make the same dumb decisions that put himself and everyone connecting to him in danger even after spending the previous season struggling to get out of the danger the decisions from last season put him in. He never once thought "Oh, last time I tried to make money in the drug trade turned out quite poorly. Perhaps I should try something different." He liked being a criminal and he liked the thrill of being in danger, so he just repeated his mistakes over and over with the same results. If he hadn't died in the last season, it would've just repeated again the next season until he finally did die. 
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You are aware that there are many different kind of crimes and many different degrees of crimes, yes?

The decision he made in s1e1 was not to become a drug lord. In fact many times during the first couple seasons he didn't even want to have anything to do with selling. He just wanted to make it and profit from making it. In fact, he acted like he was above the kind of people who sell drugs. They were a lower class of person in his eyes. He thought he was simply dipping his toes into anti-moral behavior simply by just making it. He had no desire in the first season to jump all in, let alone become a drug lord. When he would get upset with Jesse for not selling enough, Jesse would fight back by throwing his unwillingness to sell back in his face. He had to change a lot as he went deeper and deeper into his eventual transformation into a drug lord. He made a lot of decisions that changed who he was along the way. Simply deciding to commit the crime of making it didn't define the entire series. He also decided to kill and that changed who he was. He also decided to steal, and that changed who he was. He stood there and watched as Jesse's girlfriend died, and that changed who he was. He made many decisions regarding his immediate family, his extended family, and even decided to agree to be an employee of Gus, and those decisions changed who he was. All the changes he was experiencing made him so unstable that he couldn't even recognize how good he had it. As an employee of Gus, he was making tons of money, but he got greedy and self absorbed and self destructive. As Mike said after he tore the whole operation down:

We had a good thing, you stupid son of a #####! We had Fring. We had a lab. We had everything we needed, and it all ran like clockwork. You could've shut your mouth, cooked and made as much money as you ever needed. It was perfect. But, no, you just had to blow it up. You and your pride and your ego! You just had to be the man. If you'd done your job, known your place, we'd all be fine right now. 
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Walter White is a character that went through such massive change as the story went on that I can't even think of a character to compare him to. Like I said, George Lucas tried to give us a story of how Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader, but it wasn't good. What Vince Gilligan did with Walter White was awesome. 

 
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