Portis' Hip, stir up any Betts interest? (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskin...rsonnel-update/

June 2nd

Running back Clinton Portis was back on the field after missing some time last month with a hip flexor. However, receiver Antwaan Randle El remained out after having a knee scoped on May 5. Safety Vernon Fox was also still sidelined after having a knee scoped a week earlier

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsins...f_the_week.html

June 5th

Coach Jim Zorn said that Clinton Portis and Jason Fabini missed practice with excused absences and that it's "nothing serious." He said Fabini would definitely be back for Monday's session but Portis's situation could prompt him to miss some practice next week. Portis has been experience a little discomfort in his hip, but the team says that is not related to his need to be out of practice today.

Positive article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8060902647.html

 

[Ministry of Pain]

In 2006 Betts was posting top10 stats. Portis has a lot of wear and tear, can never predict injuries but certainly the percentages are higher for Portis to be injured than some other backs...people laughed when Ladell Betts was taken late in the SSL Drafts...I think Betts is a very nice buy low and draft late type of guy this year. If Portis were to go down, I would say betts is one of the best 5-10 back up RB in the league.

 

[Bri]

In 2006 Betts was posting top10 stats. Portis has a lot of wear and tear, can never predict injuries but certainly the percentages are higher for Portis to be injured than some other backs...people laughed when Ladell Betts was taken late in the SSL Drafts...I think Betts is a very nice buy low and draft late type of guy this year. If Portis were to go down, I would say betts is one of the best 5-10 back up RB in the league.

me tooNot in any shape or form rooting for a human being to get hurt, just life with FF(got that out of the way)does his hip concern you as a Portis owner or intrigue you as a Betts owner?

 

[teamroc]

In 2006 Betts was posting top10 stats. Portis has a lot of wear and tear, can never predict injuries but certainly the percentages are higher for Portis to be injured than some other backs...people laughed when Ladell Betts was taken late in the SSL Drafts...I think Betts is a very nice buy low and draft late type of guy this year. If Portis were to go down, I would say betts is one of the best 5-10 back up RB in the league.

That's the key point, Betts has shown he can be a top 10 RB when carrying the load.Which is why he's a must have cuff. Most cuffs aren't even worth getting. If SJAX does down, it's very unlikely I'd be starting Pittman or whatever RBBC the Rams would run. So if you wouldn't start the cuff, why even get him. Betts would be a must start IMHO if Portis goes down, which puts him above 95% of the other cuffs out there. People have gone handcuff crazy in the last 2-3 years, without realizing the cuff is a backup for a reson, he's not very good. Betts doesn't fall into that category. I believe it started with LJ and took off from there. But LJ wasn't just a cuff, he was a monster when he got touches. You have to figure out who is worth having on your roster and who isn't. Lets say every starting RB blows out a knee tomorrow - out for the year. Betts is probably a top 4 pick. When you can throw up 5 straigh 100 yard rushing games in the NFL, you've got some game.

 

[PranksterJD]

I'll agree that Betts is a nice handcuff... but the stories mentioned in the OP just remind me of smaller versions of all the news last offseason that allowed me to get Portis in the 4th round of every draft I had.

The guy just doesn't like to practice in the summer. He'll be fine.

 

[thayman]

In 2006 Betts's stats were a product of the Redskins offensive line. It was argued on here a million times last offseason, but if Portis goes down you will need to look at the health of the offensive line to determine if Betts is going to be a good pickup or not.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Here's hoping a summer full of speculation about Portis' health allows me to get him for cheap again.

 

[kevinray]

Betts is a fine draft pick so long as he's drafted as a hand cuff. There was a lot of speculation last year that the Redskins would be pure RBBC and Betts would eat into Portis's carries and that didn't wind up being the case. I expect a healthy Portis to get as many touches as possible and Betts to have only marginal value until Portis winds up out of games.

 

[Ripleys]

Portis will continue to get "hurt" during the preseason to minimize the amount of live action he sees. He's fine, and Betts has zero value unless Portis goes down.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Here's hoping a summer full of speculation about Portis' health allows me to get him for cheap again.

No doubt. Wish I didn't already own Portis, so that I could buy him cheap again when everyone starts worrying about his health.

 

[LHUCKS]

Portis is a smallish back that is NOT built like a CuMar or Emmit...IMHO, his career is going to take a turn for the worse sooner than later.

I'm all over Betts this year in the later rounds...great risk/reward guy in the 16th round.

 

[fatness]

Portis has participated in all offseason team activities for the first time this year, and the coaching staff has praised his efforts. The articles cited are from early June, and I don't recall this being a serious issue in OTA's.

Betts won't have much value when Portis is healthy enought to play, and right now that looks like "every game". Portis will get the lion's share of the load. However, if Portis misses time due to injury. Betts has great value. He's one of the most productive backup RB's in the league.

 

[Warhogs]

Betts is one of the better handcuffs to have because he has shown he can step in and put up great numbers. He is still a handcuff, just a top tier one. As a Portis owner I would probably be willing to overpay a bit to have Betts but I would not allow a Betts owner to hold me hostage either.

 

[KoolKat]

Portis is a smallish back that is NOT built like a CuMar or Emmit...IMHO, his career is going to take a turn for the worse sooner than later. I'm all over Betts this year in the later rounds...great risk/reward guy in the 16th round.

5' 11" 223 is smallish? I know Portis was small coming into the NFL, but I do not think he can be classfied as "smallish" any longer.I think Betts is definitely one of the best cuffs, but it is somewhat telling that no team offered him big money when he was a FA.

 

[dgreen]

Portis is a smallish back that is NOT built like a CuMar or Emmit...IMHO, his career is going to take a turn for the worse sooner than later. I'm all over Betts this year in the later rounds...great risk/reward guy in the 16th round.

5' 11" 223 is smallish?

And it looks like Smith was 5' 10", 221 and Martin was 5' 11", 210.

 

[stugnut]

Portis was looking pretty good in early May when he raced Landry.

 

[eric rymer]

I'll agree that Betts is a nice handcuff... but the stories mentioned in the OP just remind me of smaller versions of all the news last offseason that allowed me to get Portis in the 4th round of every draft I had.

The guy just doesn't like to practice in the summer. He'll be fine.

This happens every year. He's gone on record before saying that he hates preseason. This is a non issue.

 

[T Bell]

In 2006 Betts was posting top10 stats. Portis has a lot of wear and tear, can never predict injuries but certainly the percentages are higher for Portis to be injured than some other backs...people laughed when Ladell Betts was taken late in the SSL Drafts...I think Betts is a very nice buy low and draft late type of guy this year. If Portis were to go down, I would say betts is one of the best 5-10 back up RB in the league.

That didn't take long!Guys, it's a hip flexor, and even ignoring the fact that - as has been said repeatedly here - Portis tends to ease up in practice, it's muscular and not a knee problem or something. By all accounts the guy's been working hard this offseason and is in great shape. He has no history of hip flexor issues. It was such a non-story when it happened that I can't even tell you whether it's the kind of injury that he'd have still played through if it was the regular season. If it makes you happy as a Portis owner, grab Betts, but IMHO Portis will once again get drafted later than he should based upon end-of-season performance while Betts will get drafted too early.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Portis is a smallish back that is NOT built like a CuMar or Emmit...IMHO, his career is going to take a turn for the worse sooner than later. I'm all over Betts this year in the later rounds...great risk/reward guy in the 16th round.

5' 11" 223 is smallish?

And it looks like Smith was 5' 10", 221 and Martin was 5' 11", 210.

LOL - trying to address a random LHUCKS comment with facts. Yeah, THAT strategy will work!

 

[Bri]

Portis has participated in all offseason team activities for the first time this year, and the coaching staff has praised his efforts. The articles cited are from early June, and I don't recall this being a serious issue in OTA's.

what am I missing here? Those aren't a poor choice of sources in the OPIt seems you're right and they aren't a serious issue but, more like a nagging one. What bugs me is why? Shouldn't he be healed up and good to go without any nagging injury while they roll in shorts and no pads?

 

[Bri]

Portis will continue to get "hurt" during the preseason to minimize the amount of live action he sees. He's fine, and Betts has zero value unless Portis goes down.

I'd buy this if it were preseason as far too many guys seem to do that. However, it's run thru the new coach's new offense in shorts and/or taking it easy.

 

[brock]

Here's hoping a summer full of speculation about Portis' health allows me to get him for cheap again.

2nd round last year and if this keeps up he'll be a 2nd rounder again.

 

[fatness]

Portis has participated in all offseason team activities for the first time this year, and the coaching staff has praised his efforts. The articles cited are from early June, and I don't recall this being a serious issue in OTA's.

what am I missing here? Those aren't a poor choice of sources in the OPIt seems you're right and they aren't a serious issue but, more like a nagging one. What bugs me is why? Shouldn't he be healed up and good to go without any nagging injury while they roll in shorts and no pads?

Those are good sources, yes. So are Rich Tandler's blog and MVN's Redskin pages. But in neither the Times or the Post were those issues about Portis's hip flexor followed up at later dates by any indication (on the part of the coaching staff or the writers) of any concern that he won't be able to participate in training camp or the regular season. Those concerns have been expressed about a number of players with the Redskins --- Rogers, McIntosh, Jansen, Thomas, others --- but not about Portis. That's why I don't think it's anything to be concerned about. The coaching staff isn't concerned, and the beat writers are not reporting that the staff is "concerned but keeping it under their hat."

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Portis will continue to get "hurt" during the preseason to minimize the amount of live action he sees. He's fine, and Betts has zero value unless Portis goes down.

I'd buy this if it were preseason as far too many guys seem to do that. However, it's run thru the new coach's new offense in shorts and/or taking it easy.

It's just so funny. This is exactly the type of rampant speculation we all sat through last year. Yet people STILL believe the same nonsense. Keep it going, I love see Portis fall in value. In fact, I might sell him now just so I can pick him up even cheaper in mid-August. :thumbsup:

 

[T Bell]

Portis has participated in all offseason team activities for the first time this year, and the coaching staff has praised his efforts. The articles cited are from early June, and I don't recall this being a serious issue in OTA's.

what am I missing here? Those aren't a poor choice of sources in the OPIt seems you're right and they aren't a serious issue but, more like a nagging one. What bugs me is why? Shouldn't he be healed up and good to go without any nagging injury while they roll in shorts and no pads?

Those are good sources, yes. So are Rich Tandler's blog and MVN's Redskin pages. But in neither the Times or the Post were those issues about Portis's hip flexor followed up at later dates by any indication (on the part of the coaching staff or the writers) of any concern that he won't be able to participate in training camp or the regular season. Those concerns have been expressed about a number of players with the Redskins --- Rogers, McIntosh, Jansen, Thomas, others --- but not about Portis. That's why I don't think it's anything to be concerned about. The coaching staff isn't concerned, and the beat writers are not reporting that the staff is "concerned but keeping it under their hat."

 

[The Moz]

forget the hip flexor -- I am gojng with the every other year thing as a reson to avoid Portis. he plays great in odd years and no so greta in even years! ( at least since leaving Denver )

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Don't worry unless you hear the word "degenerative".

- Bo Jackson & myself

 

[Lash]

this kind of stuff helped me get Portis in the second round of a 16-teamer last year

i love it

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Not to hijack, but Portis was absolutely GREAT on NFL Total Access this week. One of my new favorite NFL players.

 

[Tau837]

Agree with all the comments that Portis is likely to be healthy enough to carry most of the load, meaning this won't matter.

Aside from that, IMO Betts is a bit overrated. He has had 36 games in his career with 10+ touches. In those games, he has averaged 16.8 touches, 82.9 total yards, and 10.1 fantasy points, at 4.4 ypc and 8.4 ypr. Those are fine numbers, but not Portis caliber. IMO he caught a bit of lightning in a bottle in 2006, whether because of his own play, Gibbs and his philosophy, the OL, or whatever. He was quite underwhelming last year (3.6 ypc and 1 rushing TD on 93 carries). And now he is 29 - not over the hill but on the downslope - and in a new offense. I don't think he is likely to come close to his 2006 performance this year even if Portis goes down.

If I had Portis, I'd much rather back him up with a higher quality RB3 and/or RB4 than rely on Betts.

 

[Tau837]

this kind of stuff helped me get Portis in the second round of a 16-teamer last yeari love it

 

[5-ish Finkle]

(You)can never predict injuries but certainly the percentages are higher for Portis to be injured than some other backs

They are, are they? Care to shoot out some facts as to why that is, or are you going to stick to the hyperbole? (I suppose you can argue it by saying "some other backs" means "Gary Russell and Cecil Sapp.")Every touch could be ANY running back's last one.Clinton Portis missed time 2 seasons ago due to a freak injury suffered on a fumble return and subsequent busted up hand. Neither of those injuries are chronic. This is the same guy who said this following the shoulder injury: ""I don't know why myself or any other player of my caliber should be playing in the preseason." He added, "I think for the last four years I've done enough to show the world I'm going to be ready for the season." Hearing that, it doesn't make it that hard to believe that he's not exactly going to be first in line to bust himself up in the preseason any more(I'm not arguing the validity of that, just stating I can buy that's how he feels.).Maybe you can call him full of himself, a slacker for not going full on in preseason, or not one to choose his words that wisely based on the "I shouldn't be playing in PS" junk, but calling him any more injury prone than just about any starting RB that gets 300+ touches a season isn't accurate.

 

[loose circuits]

Portis is a smallish back that is NOT built like a CuMar or Emmit...IMHO, his career is going to take a turn for the worse sooner than later. I'm all over Betts this year in the later rounds...great risk/reward guy in the 16th round.

5' 11" 223 is smallish? I know Portis was small coming into the NFL, but I do not think he can be classfied as "smallish" any longer.I think Betts is definitely one of the best cuffs, but it is somewhat telling that no team offered him big money when he was a FA.

can you explain how it is telling that Betts signed an extension with Washington and never even tested the Free agent market? He didn't give himself the opportunity to even get an offer. I'm confused by what you are saying...

 

[Tanner9919]

I think we all learned from last season that any injury news about Portis is nonsense..

the guy is a stud..

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Anybody else happen to notice that Ladell Betts is 2 years older than Portis? Or that he's only started 11 games in his career? Or that he's had over 100 carries in a season exactly once in his career?

Don't get me wrong, he's a high quality backup, but just some food for thought - as usual, there is irrational Betts love in the SP.

 

[Bri]

can you explain how it is telling that Betts signed an extension with Washington and never even tested the Free agent market? He didn't give himself the opportunity to even get an offer. I'm confused by what you are saying...

I think that he didn't test the FA market is glossed over sometimes. Vinny did a nice job wrapping him up quick IMO. Although I wonder if the backup RB doesn't get any significant work in, if (in the NFL world) that's actually considerred overspending then. "nother thread 'nother time

 

[T Bell]

can you explain how it is telling that Betts signed an extension with Washington and never even tested the Free agent market? He didn't give himself the opportunity to even get an offer. I'm confused by what you are saying...

I think that he didn't test the FA market is glossed over sometimes. Vinny did a nice job wrapping him up quick IMO. Although I wonder if the backup RB doesn't get any significant work in, if (in the NFL world) that's actually considerred overspending then. "nother thread 'nother time

This was smart both on the part of Betts and on the part of the team. Betts is a realist about his abilities. He's in the top half of the league in terms of his quality as a primary RB backup, but would be near the bottom as a starter. There is a lot of depth at RB league-wide, more so than I can recall before. He's good at the role of backup and doesn't mind that role, and he knew that he couldn't sign anywhere where he'd get an uncontested shot at starting, and he therefore wasn't going to get starter's money. Why not stay on a team he likes and in a community his family likes?

 

[Bri]

can you explain how it is telling that Betts signed an extension with Washington and never even tested the Free agent market? He didn't give himself the opportunity to even get an offer. I'm confused by what you are saying...

I think that he didn't test the FA market is glossed over sometimes. Vinny did a nice job wrapping him up quick IMO. Although I wonder if the backup RB doesn't get any significant work in, if (in the NFL world) that's actually considerred overspending then. "nother thread 'nother time

This was smart both on the part of Betts and on the part of the team. Betts is a realist about his abilities. He's in the top half of the league in terms of his quality as a primary RB backup, but would be near the bottom as a starter. There is a lot of depth at RB league-wide, more so than I can recall before. He's good at the role of backup and doesn't mind that role, and he knew that he couldn't sign anywhere where he'd get an uncontested shot at starting, and he therefore wasn't going to get starter's money. Why not stay on a team he likes and in a community his family likes?

Well he was the "hot hand" going into that offseason and NFL teams have been known to overspend so it's just kind of one of those things to be curious about. Yeah I agree it's never bad to have job security and a nice salary