Portis Hurt (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

FWIW, Marc Bulger's injured shoulder last year had negative X-rays too. Then the MRI came and Bulger was diagnosed with a shoulder sprain. He was out for about 4 weeks and then hurt it again. He later decided to rest it and go on IR for the remaining few weeks of the season.I'm just sayin...

I'm thinking that Portis would probably pass less than Bulger . . .

Yes, but he will be tackled more than Bulger...although, that could be debatable

My point (if I had one) was that Bulger had to actively rotate his shoulder on any passing play. I'm no doctor, but Portis would not have to lift his arm over his head very often. Not sure about the impact of repeated tackling, but range of motion wise a shoulder injury would impact a QB way more.

 

[Rounders]

For those who haven't drafted yet, but where planning on taking him, does this change his draft value for you?I have the 1.4 and was set on Portis, but now I have a week to debate Portis vs Barber.Curious to see what others think?

as long as the MRI doesn't turn up anything earth shattering, you take him after the big 3 and don't look back

I'm not so sure, I'm more concerned with Portis getting pounded later in the season and him missing time. Barber is looking like a better pick right now, at least a safer choice.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Here's what I sent our guys:

Hi Folks,

More info on Clinton Portis and his shoulder. The MRI results showed a subluxation

separation. Meaning the shoulder came out and went back in by itself. He'll be

evaluated futher Monday. More info on shoulder injuries is below.

If Portis were to miss time, Ladell Betts would be the guy to grab. He's entering

his 5th year and is a solid player. He's 5' 10" and 224 so he's plenty big enough.

You guys that are regular readers of the Daily Email Update know that new offensive

coordinator Al Saunders likes Betts a lot. Back on August 3rd, we brought you this

quote from Saunders:

"RB Ladell Betts is better than a lot of people think," OC Al Saunders said. "RB

Clinton Portis is more like RB Larry Johnson, where Ladell is more like RB Priest

Holmes. It will be fun to mix and match those guys….They'll be on the field at

the same time. Sure, there are times they won't be, but there will be some

down-and-distance circumstances where our best players are those two guys.

Both are accomplished receivers and excellent blockers. It adds another dimension

to the utilization of our personnel."

We'll know more on Portis Monday. For now, Betts' stock just took a bump at least

until we know more about Portis. If you can do it cheaply, grab him now to see how

it plays out.

For you guys that want to know everything, here is a clip from the article I wrote

for the Footballguys Strategy guide along with my friend, Dr. David Hovis, M.D.

Dr. Hovis is an orthopedic surgeon specializing in sports medicine. He's also a

team physician for the U.S. Alpine Ski Team and served as an Assistant Team

Physician for the Denver Broncos.

Here's a clip from the shoulder section:

Shoulder injuries:

Acromioclavicular joint (AC) shoulder separation. This is also known as a

separated shoulder. This injury occurs as a result of a hit or blow to the top

part of the shoulder, depressing the scapula (shoulder blade) and tearing the

ligaments between the scapula and clavicle (collar bone). The classic case where

you see this injury is when a QB is sacked and driven to the turf shoulder first.

These don’t usually require surgery, and length of rehab depends upon severity and

player position. For example, a quarterback with an AC separation on his throwing

shoulder will obviously be more serious than a similar injury to a wide receiver.

Treatment and Return to play: For less severe grade 1 injuries, return to play

may be immediate (especially with a pain killing injection). More severe injuries

with grade 2 or grade 3 damage may take six weeks or even more.

Dislocated shoulder with anterior instability. (Note - this is NOT what Clinton

Portis appears to have. At least from what we know Sunday night) The most common

shoulder dislocation in football is out the front or anterior. Dislocations

occurring traumatically in this direction often tear the labrum in the front

part of the shoulder, leaving the shoulder at risk for recurrent dislocations.

Treatment and Return to play: For return to play, surgery is usually required

to repair the torn labrum. The subsequent rehab is about 4 months, which means

these are often season ending injuries.

Here is a link to more information including some handy illustrations:http://www.sportsmed.buffalo.edu/info/subluxation.html

Note the big difference between a shoulder separation and a shoulder dislocation.

At this point, it's believed that Portis has a shoulder separation and not a

dislocation.

As we describe in the article, ligament and tendon sprains are graded as 1 being a

stretch. 2 being a partial tear and 3 being a complete tear. So when you hear the

reports on Portis' shoulder, what you want to hear is a grade 1 AC joint sprain. If

grade 2 or grade 3 are mentioned, that's definitely a red flag. Stay tuned. We'll

be right here to help.

J

******************

 

[fatness]

By the way, if you haven't seen the tackle (made by Portis) where he got hurt, watch for it. It was a very convincing tackle.

He blocks and tackles hard; had sore shoulders most of last year as a result of his blocking.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Here's what I sent our guys:

Hi Folks,

More info on Clinton Portis and his shoulder. The MRI results showed a subluxation

separation. Meaning the shoulder came out and went back in by itself. He'll be

evaluated futher Monday. More info on shoulder injuries is below.

If Portis were to miss time, Ladell Betts would be the guy to grab. He's entering

his 5th year and is a solid player. He's 5' 10" and 224 so he's plenty big enough.

You guys that are regular readers of the Daily Email Update know that new offensive

coordinator Al Saunders likes Betts a lot. Back on August 3rd, we brought you this

quote from Saunders:

"RB Ladell Betts is better than a lot of people think," OC Al Saunders said. "RB

Clinton Portis is more like RB Larry Johnson, where Ladell is more like RB Priest

Holmes. It will be fun to mix and match those guys….They'll be on the field at

the same time. Sure, there are times they won't be, but there will be some

down-and-distance circumstances where our best players are those two guys.

Both are accomplished receivers and excellent blockers. It adds another dimension

to the utilization of our personnel."

We'll know more on Portis Monday. For now, Betts' stock just took a bump at least

until we know more about Portis. If you can do it cheaply, grab him now to see how

it plays out.

For you guys that want to know everything, here is a clip from the article I wrote

for the Footballguys Strategy guide along with my friend, Dr. David Hovis, M.D.

Dr. Hovis is an orthopedic surgeon specializing in sports medicine. He's also a

team physician for the U.S. Alpine Ski Team and served as an Assistant Team

Physician for the Denver Broncos.

Here's a clip from the shoulder section:

Shoulder injuries:

Acromioclavicular joint (AC) shoulder separation. This is also known as a

separated shoulder. This injury occurs as a result of a hit or blow to the top

part of the shoulder, depressing the scapula (shoulder blade) and tearing the

ligaments between the scapula and clavicle (collar bone). The classic case where

you see this injury is when a QB is sacked and driven to the turf shoulder first.

These don’t usually require surgery, and length of rehab depends upon severity and

player position. For example, a quarterback with an AC separation on his throwing

shoulder will obviously be more serious than a similar injury to a wide receiver.

Treatment and Return to play: For less severe grade 1 injuries, return to play

may be immediate (especially with a pain killing injection). More severe injuries

with grade 2 or grade 3 damage may take six weeks or even more.

Dislocated shoulder with anterior instability. (Note - this is NOT what Clinton

Portis appears to have. At least from what we know Sunday night) The most common

shoulder dislocation in football is out the front or anterior. Dislocations

occurring traumatically in this direction often tear the labrum in the front

part of the shoulder, leaving the shoulder at risk for recurrent dislocations.

Treatment and Return to play: For return to play, surgery is usually required

to repair the torn labrum. The subsequent rehab is about 4 months, which means

these are often season ending injuries.

Here is a link to more information including some handy illustrations:http://www.sportsmed.buffalo.edu/info/subluxation.html

Note the big difference between a shoulder separation and a shoulder dislocation.

At this point, it's believed that Portis has a shoulder separation and not a

dislocation.

As we describe in the article, ligament and tendon sprains are graded as 1 being a

stretch. 2 being a partial tear and 3 being a complete tear. So when you hear the

reports on Portis' shoulder, what you want to hear is a grade 1 AC joint sprain. If

grade 2 or grade 3 are mentioned, that's definitely a red flag. Stay tuned. We'll

be right here to help.

J

******************

Good stuff Joe, thanks.

 

[The_U]

Here's what I sent our guys:

Hi Folks,

More info on Clinton Portis and his shoulder. The MRI results showed a subluxation

separation. Meaning the shoulder came out and went back in by itself. He'll be

evaluated futher Monday. More info on shoulder injuries is below.

If Portis were to miss time, Ladell Betts would be the guy to grab. He's entering

his 5th year and is a solid player. He's 5' 10" and 224 so he's plenty big enough.

You guys that are regular readers of the Daily Email Update know that new offensive

coordinator Al Saunders likes Betts a lot. Back on August 3rd, we brought you this

quote from Saunders:

"RB Ladell Betts is better than a lot of people think," OC Al Saunders said. "RB

Clinton Portis is more like RB Larry Johnson, where Ladell is more like RB Priest

Holmes. It will be fun to mix and match those guys….They'll be on the field at

the same time. Sure, there are times they won't be, but there will be some

down-and-distance circumstances where our best players are those two guys.

Both are accomplished receivers and excellent blockers. It adds another dimension

to the utilization of our personnel."

We'll know more on Portis Monday. For now, Betts' stock just took a bump at least

until we know more about Portis. If you can do it cheaply, grab him now to see how

it plays out.

For you guys that want to know everything, here is a clip from the article I wrote

for the Footballguys Strategy guide along with my friend, Dr. David Hovis, M.D.

Dr. Hovis is an orthopedic surgeon specializing in sports medicine. He's also a

team physician for the U.S. Alpine Ski Team and served as an Assistant Team

Physician for the Denver Broncos.

Here's a clip from the shoulder section:

Shoulder injuries:

Acromioclavicular joint (AC) shoulder separation. This is also known as a

separated shoulder. This injury occurs as a result of a hit or blow to the top

part of the shoulder, depressing the scapula (shoulder blade) and tearing the

ligaments between the scapula and clavicle (collar bone). The classic case where

you see this injury is when a QB is sacked and driven to the turf shoulder first.

These don’t usually require surgery, and length of rehab depends upon severity and

player position. For example, a quarterback with an AC separation on his throwing

shoulder will obviously be more serious than a similar injury to a wide receiver.

Treatment and Return to play: For less severe grade 1 injuries, return to play

may be immediate (especially with a pain killing injection). More severe injuries

with grade 2 or grade 3 damage may take six weeks or even more.

Dislocated shoulder with anterior instability. (Note - this is NOT what Clinton

Portis appears to have. At least from what we know Sunday night) The most common

shoulder dislocation in football is out the front or anterior. Dislocations

occurring traumatically in this direction often tear the labrum in the front

part of the shoulder, leaving the shoulder at risk for recurrent dislocations.

Treatment and Return to play: For return to play, surgery is usually required

to repair the torn labrum. The subsequent rehab is about 4 months, which means

these are often season ending injuries.

Here is a link to more information including some handy illustrations:http://www.sportsmed.buffalo.edu/info/subluxation.html

Note the big difference between a shoulder separation and a shoulder dislocation.

At this point, it's believed that Portis has a shoulder separation and not a

dislocation.

As we describe in the article, ligament and tendon sprains are graded as 1 being a

stretch. 2 being a partial tear and 3 being a complete tear. So when you hear the

reports on Portis' shoulder, what you want to hear is a grade 1 AC joint sprain. If

grade 2 or grade 3 are mentioned, that's definitely a red flag. Stay tuned. We'll

be right here to help.

J

******************

Awesome update...thanks Joe.

 

[Leroy's Aces]

This happened to me after a ski accident and subsequently working out at the gym a few weeks later, and all I can tell you is it hurt like hell. Hope he's healed up within a month.

I had a shoulder sublexation as well. (playing basketball) Dickey Moe is correct, it hurts like hell when it happens (as in you want to scream), but then it pops back in and is just feels really sore and not quite right. My doc said to take a ton of ibuprofin for about 10 days and I was good to go after that, working out, bench presses, etc. The Good News: If he had a shoulder sublexation, which is what is being reported, he will likely be 100% good to go at the start of the regular season, due to the fact that it is still about 1 month away. I highly doubt he would even appear on the opening week injury report. The Bad News: Just from my experience, I did have the sublexation happen a second time, and I do believe that once you have a sublexation, you are more likely to have a recurrence. (unless you have surgery to fix the socket) I doubt it will happen again, but with Portis' injury history, you never know.DaveLeroy's Aces

 

[footballguide1]

Would it worth dropping Dayne for Betts

 

[dickey moe]

Portis looks seriously bummed.

 

[joffer]

Portis looks seriously bummed.

i think that's just the way he normally looks.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

Portis sounds like he has no idea if he'll be back for week 1, he "hopes so".

 

[Jene Bramel]

Hey guys

Looks like much of the confusion has been cleared up with regard to shoulder injuries.

As someone else has already said -- subluxations and separations are two totally different entities. Subluxations/dislocations involve the joint proper while separations involve the collarbone/shoulderblade joint outside the shoulder joint.

I believe someone else noted this as well, but the key finding here will be how much (if any) damage was done to the rotator cuff/labral region. Damage there will affect range of motion and how likely the injury is to recur. An examination may give some indication of that -- a plain X-ray will not -- but the MRI will tell the tale for certain.

Sorry if I'm repeating what you guys have already said, but I'd seen some misinformation in other places.

 

[VTjkru]

Portis sounds like he has no idea if he'll be back for week 1, he "hopes so".

Well when you get asked a stupid question that you have no answer to other than "I hope so" I would assume you would sound like you have no idea. What a stupid question to ask him. "Do you think you'll play week 1?" "Well...I do dress up as a doctor in some of my interviews and have diagnosed myself and I have to say...I hope so"

 

[(unwelcomed)GUEST]

No matter who it is, it sucks. In a pre-season game, on an interception of all things. Bottom line is Portis will come back and play. He is a throw back tough hard-nosed football player. This guy plays hard and gives 110 all the time. Did you see the freakin' stick he laid on the Cinci player? If the dude was a safety he'd be a probowler too. He may be goofy with the costumes but the kid is a baller. All the complaints about guys not be dedicated, if you know anything about this Hurricane, that's right U of Miami Hurricane, you know he has big-time heart. Even less than 100 percent health-wise the guy goes for a combined 1500, 10 tds. If healthy, he'll easily break 2000 combined and 15. I'm hoping for the later, this guy is special and play's old school hard. Hope it's a mild subluxation/separation.

 

[Lauryn]

The Good News: If he had a shoulder sublexation, which is what is being reported, he will likely be 100% good to go at the start of the regular season, due to the fact that it is still about 1 month away. I highly doubt he would even appear on the opening week injury report. The Bad News: Just from my experience, I did have the sublexation happen a second time, and I do believe that once you have a sublexation, you are more likely to have a recurrence. (unless you have surgery to fix the socket) I doubt it will happen again, but with Portis' injury history, you never know.DaveLeroy's Aces

yeah it's like the problem dominic rhodes has, or chris webber... their shoulders are always popping out, and they are always at risk for it to happen again at any time.

 

[Ranethe]

This happened to me after a ski accident and subsequently working out at the gym a few weeks later, and all I can tell you is it hurt like hell. Hope he's healed up within a month.

I had a shoulder sublexation as well. (playing basketball) Dickey Moe is correct, it hurts like hell when it happens (as in you want to scream), but then it pops back in and is just feels really sore and not quite right. My doc said to take a ton of ibuprofin for about 10 days and I was good to go after that, working out, bench presses, etc. The Good News: If he had a shoulder sublexation, which is what is being reported, he will likely be 100% good to go at the start of the regular season, due to the fact that it is still about 1 month away. I highly doubt he would even appear on the opening week injury report. The Bad News: Just from my experience, I did have the sublexation happen a second time, and I do believe that once you have a sublexation, you are more likely to have a recurrence. (unless you have surgery to fix the socket) I doubt it will happen again, but with Portis' injury history, you never know.DaveLeroy's Aces

After dislocating my left shoulder in high school football, it popped out of socket i'd guess 50 times (conservative estimate) after that. It used to happen almost any time, anywhere. Playing basketball, (used to have to make a fist in my armpit and bounce myself off a wall to pop it back into the socket), throwing my coat on after a night out at a bar, even rolling over in my sleep. It usually took a week to 10 days after putting it back in before i could do anything, or even lift my arm up to shoulder height.What seemed to get rid of the problem for me was weightlifting-i never had any kind of surgery though i suspect the shoulder socket was pretty much worn down. I went through a period when i was really into weightlifting and never had another shoulder dislocation after that.BTW i had recurrent dislocations in both shoulders from hitting the tackling dummy (likely with terrible form, but i was very skinny in high school). My right shoulder was never as bad, though i would throw it out of socket throwing a baseball and had to quit high school baseball as a result. Now i doubt i could throw a ball 30 yards.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I just want to highlight something Pasquino wrote in his prime numbers drafting article. Jeff did a blurb about getting the back up RB around the 11th round as insurance for all those high 1st round picks.

I think Betts is a good handcuff for Portis. I picked him up in the 13th of my draft. While I am not happy with what happened to Portis, I also think Betts will succeed should he have to start for any length of time too. Important when you draft to sometimes think about who the back up is too

 

[jabarony]

Do you think after the game ended that Portis came out with a shoulder sling, oversized glasses, rainbow wig, and bowtie? And if so, what is the prognosis from the doctors from Neptune?

 

[Jene Bramel]

Do you think after the game ended that Portis came out with a shoulder sling, oversized glasses, rainbow wig, and bowtie? And if so, what is the prognosis from the doctors from Neptune?

I don't think you'll get much information from Dr. Don't Know tonight. IIRC, he wasn't much help anyway in the suspicious death of Southwest Jerome.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Would it worth dropping Dayne for Betts

I would look for every opportunity to dropthe "tub of goo" that is Ron Dayne.do it.

 

[moleculo]

This happened to me after a ski accident and subsequently working out at the gym a few weeks later, and all I can tell you is it hurt like hell. Hope he's healed up within a month.

I had a shoulder sublexation as well. (playing basketball) Dickey Moe is correct, it hurts like hell when it happens (as in you want to scream), but then it pops back in and is just feels really sore and not quite right. My doc said to take a ton of ibuprofin for about 10 days and I was good to go after that, working out, bench presses, etc. The Good News: If he had a shoulder sublexation, which is what is being reported, he will likely be 100% good to go at the start of the regular season, due to the fact that it is still about 1 month away. I highly doubt he would even appear on the opening week injury report. The Bad News: Just from my experience, I did have the sublexation happen a second time, and I do believe that once you have a sublexation, you are more likely to have a recurrence. (unless you have surgery to fix the socket) I doubt it will happen again, but with Portis' injury history, you never know.DaveLeroy's Aces

After dislocating my left shoulder in high school football, it popped out of socket i'd guess 50 times (conservative estimate) after that. It used to happen almost any time, anywhere. Playing basketball, (used to have to make a fist in my armpit and bounce myself off a wall to pop it back into the socket), throwing my coat on after a night out at a bar, even rolling over in my sleep. It usually took a week to 10 days after putting it back in before i could do anything, or even lift my arm up to shoulder height.What seemed to get rid of the problem for me was weightlifting-i never had any kind of surgery though i suspect the shoulder socket was pretty much worn down. I went through a period when i was really into weightlifting and never had another shoulder dislocation after that.BTW i had recurrent dislocations in both shoulders from hitting the tackling dummy (likely with terrible form, but i was very skinny in high school). My right shoulder was never as bad, though i would throw it out of socket throwing a baseball and had to quit high school baseball as a result. Now i doubt i could throw a ball 30 yards.

I Had a kid on a wrestling team pop his shoulder out in a match -freak thing, the kid just gave him a slight nidge on his sohulder, and it popped. Once it happened once, it happened several times again. He never was the same after that. He was a scrawny 103 lber and the Dr's said he needed to build up strength.I would assume that Portis has plenty of muscle in his shoulders to support his bone/ligament structure, so this is probably not the same thing that my wrestler or Ranthe had. Also - if Portis had a pre-disposition to this, it would have definately happened to him by now.

 

[joffer]

good old ESPN.com

they've got "'Skins' Portis dislocates shoulder | In loss at Cincy" on their front page

 

[cracKer]

So, they're saying that the MRI reveals a partial dislocation.

My gut tells me that he sits for the rest of the preseason and starts working on my fantasy championship during week one.

 

[Jene Bramel]

So, they're saying that the MRI reveals a partial dislocation.My gut tells me that he sits for the rest of the preseason and starts working on my fantasy championship during week one.

Don't know what that means. Hopefully, it means that there are no ligament or muscle tears.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

This is a major bummer, I was high on him this year and he'll be too much of a red flag for me to touch anywhere before 1.10 at this point.

 

[jurb26]

This is a major bummer, I was high on him this year and he'll be too much of a red flag for me to touch anywhere before 1.10 at this point.

 

[softball]

I hate drafting early....

 

[Joe Bryant]

Thanks Doc.I need to better differentiate the two in my content as well. J

Hey guysLooks like much of the confusion has been cleared up with regard to shoulder injuries.As someone else has already said -- subluxations and separations are two totally different entities. Subluxations/dislocations involve the joint proper while separations involve the collarbone/shoulderblade joint outside the shoulder joint.I believe someone else noted this as well, but the key finding here will be how much (if any) damage was done to the rotator cuff/labral region. Damage there will affect range of motion and how likely the injury is to recur. An examination may give some indication of that -- a plain X-ray will not -- but the MRI will tell the tale for certain.Sorry if I'm repeating what you guys have already said, but I'd seen some misinformation in other places.

 

[GiantsRule]

I just want to highlight something Pasquino wrote in his prime numbers drafting article. Jeff did a blurb about getting the back up RB around the 11th round as insurance for all those high 1st round picks.I think Betts is a good handcuff for Portis. I picked him up in the 13th of my draft. While I am not happy with what happened to Portis, I also think Betts will succeed should he have to start for any length of time too. Important when you draft to sometimes think about who the back up is too

This concludes the "most obvious statement of the day" portion of our program.

 

[joffer]

so ESPN and sportsline have the exact same story up, both saying MRI results revealed a partial dislocation. i'm confused.

 

[Jene Bramel]

so ESPN and sportsline have the exact same story up, both saying MRI results revealed a partial dislocation. i'm confused.

My best guess is that this means that the shoulder joint is intact and that there are no ligamentous, cuff or labral tears. The diagnosis of a "partial dislocation" or subluxation is made more on the report of the patient -- i.e. "I felt it come out and go back in" -- than something you can see on film or MRI. There really is no such thing as a "partially" dislocated shoulder, as far as I know, it's a layman's term for subluxation. She either in or out. There may be some residual laxity or looseness in the joint but it'd be clear on the table whether the joint was still dislocated. I suppose the trainers/orthos among us may say something different, but that's my understanding.

 

[bigfalconsfan]

Damn my draft is tomorrow at 3. Technically today now that it's past midnight. I have the 5th pick. What do I do if he falls to me?

 

[monkeysee]

This is a major bummer, I was high on him this year and he'll be too much of a red flag for me to touch anywhere before 1.10 at this point.

Yeah better play it safe and drop him to RB 33 or so.

 

[Joe Bryant]

This one is a little more clear.

WAS - RB Portis Partially Dislocates Shoulder

Source: NFL.com

Running back Clinton Portis partially dislocated his left shoulder during Washington's opening series of the preseason.

An MRI test detected the injury, which involves the bone popping out of place temporarily in the shoulder socket. Standard treatment involves rest and strengthening exercises.

There was no immediate indication how long he will be sidelined.

[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ OUR VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]

I wasn't clear enough with what I wrote in the Breaking News emails we sent Sunday night. Please let me update that a bit here.

For you guys that want to know everything, here is a clip from the article I wrote for the Footballguys Strategy guide along with my friend, Dr. David Hovis, M.D. Dr. Hovis is an orthopedic surgeon specializing in sports medicine. He's also a team physician for the U.S. Alpine Ski Team and served as an Assistant Team Physician for the Denver Broncos.

Here's a clip from the shoulder section:

Shoulder injuries:

Acromioclavicular joint (AC) shoulder separation. This is also known as a separated shoulder. This injury occurs as a result of a hit or blow to the top part of the shoulder, depressing the scapula (shoulder blade) and tearing the ligaments between the scapula and clavicle (collar bone). The classic case where you see this injury is when a QB is sacked and driven to the turf shoulder first.

These don’t usually require surgery, and length of rehab depends upon severity and player position. For example, a quarterback with an AC separation on his throwing shoulder will obviously be more serious than a similar injury to a wide receiver.

Treatment and Return to play: For less severe grade 1 injuries, return to play may be immediate (especially with a pain killing injection). More severe injuries with grade 2 or grade 3 damage may take six weeks or even more.

Dislocated shoulder with anterior instability.

The most common shoulder dislocation in football is out the front or anterior. Dislocations occurring traumatically in this direction often tear the labrum in the front part of the shoulder, leaving the shoulder at risk for recurrent dislocations.

Treatment and Return to play: For return to play, surgery is usually required to repair the torn labrum. The subsequent rehab is about 4 months, which means these are often season ending injuries.

Here is a link to more information including some handy illustrations: http://www.sportsmed.buffalo.edu/info/subluxation.html

Note the big difference between a shoulder separation and a shoulder dislocation.

Clinton Portis suffered what was called a subluxation. It means the arm bone (humerus) is pressured to the point that it is almost dislocated from the ball joint of the shoulder.

It's more like an "almost dislocation" or "partial dislocation". As noted in the article, it can be very serious. But it depends on the degree of damage done to surrounding connective tissue.

It was first reported that Portis had a "separation" which speaks to a different part of the shoulder than does a "dislocation".

Bottom line is we'll know more here soon.

And while you're waiting, grab Ladell Betts.

You guys that are regular readers of the Daily Email Update know that new offensive coordinator Al Saunders likes Betts a lot. Back on August 3rd, we brought you this quote from Saunders:

"RB Ladell Betts is better than a lot of people think," OC Al Saunders said. "RB Clinton Portis is more like RB Larry Johnson, where Ladell is more like RB Priest Holmes. It will be fun to mix and match those guys….They'll be on the field at the same time. Sure, there are times they won't be, but there will be some

down-and-distance circumstances where our best players are those two guys. Both are accomplished receivers and excellent blockers. It adds another dimension to the utilization of our personnel."

If Portis were to miss time, Betts would be the guy to grab. He's entering his 5th year and is a solid player. He's 5' 10" and 224 so he's plenty big enough. Pick him up now.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I just want to highlight something Pasquino wrote in his prime numbers drafting article. Jeff did a blurb about getting the back up RB around the 11th round as insurance for all those high 1st round picks.I think Betts is a good handcuff for Portis. I picked him up in the 13th of my draft. While I am not happy with what happened to Portis, I also think Betts will succeed should he have to start for any length of time too. Important when you draft to sometimes think about who the back up is too

This concludes the "most obvious statement of the day" portion of our program.

I think Pasquino was advocating locking up the back up a little sooner rather than waiting till the 20th round and hoping a guy you never have to use is still on the board. We have an owner that will start drafting Turner, Bennett, and Betts if you don't take them at a certain point in the draft...your starter is injured, it sucks to have to go seek a trade or even is he isnt injured to have to go trade for him after the draft becuause you didnt lock him up. That's all...nothing nearly as funny as you semm to think. not everyone in here is as good as you Giant, sometimes we have newbies in here too.

 

[Judge Smails]

I had a "mild" level 1 separated AC Joint in my shoulder (best impression of Manny Ramirez in left field diving for a ball). Anyway, if that was only a grade 1, I don't want to know what the other grades were. I was in a sling for awhile, rehabbed, etc. Would hear my shoulder grind when doing light bench presses months after. Couldn't even fathom getting hit by a linebacker with one, even months later.

 

[newlycreated]

I had a "mild" level 1 separated AC Joint in my shoulder (best impression of Manny Ramirez in left field diving for a ball). Anyway, if that was only a grade 1, I don't want to know what the other grades were. I was in a sling for awhile, rehabbed, etc. Would hear my shoulder grind when doing light bench presses months after. Couldn't even fathom getting hit by a linebacker with one, even months later.

same thing happened to me, dove in a football game and had a grade 1 AC seperation. couldn't run for almost a month but i was doin alright within two months. it hurt like hell, i still can't do certain lifts. seems chronic.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Redskins.com link

Joe Gibbs said "It'll be awhile before he plays"...that was the big thing I read in this. Awhile sounds like a 4-6 week injury to me...I really doubt Portis will be able to go full speed in week 1...Betts value is going to shoot up now.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Redskins.com link

Joe Gibbs said "It'll be awhile before he plays"...that was the big thing I read in this. Awhile sounds like a 4-6 week injury to me...I really doubt Portis will be able to go full speed in week 1...Betts value is going to shoot up now.

Pretty much the same thing I was thinking: four to six weeks. Problem as some have already pointed out however is that shoulder injuries are recurring depending on a bevy of different things. I think Portis will be back soon after the regular season commences but how effective will he be if he is thinking about re-injuring and what is the chance he does get re-injured. I hate to see these things happen and I'm not talking from an FFL perspective. As a fan of a team this hurts especially how it happened.

I agree Betts value goes up exponentially with this injury but I also think Portis will be ok. Seems like a pretty tough guy and if the docs can patch him up right, he should enjoy a pretty nice season in the Al Saunders system.

 

[Mapmaker]

I hated to see Portis go down like that, especially given the circumstance .. a pre season game interception ... on the replay from the very top you see Portis engaged with some of the defensive players in the middle of the field of play as the Cincy player dashes down the sideline ... Cooley is in persuit, but he's not bustin his chops to get into it .... Portis somehow got disengaged from the middle of the field action and flew across the field ala Watson/Champ Baily to slam dunk the Cincy backfielder ... some guy's are just "football players" and can't help themselves ... Portis is one of those special guys ... ... I took him from the 3rd slot in my draft last week because of the heart he exhibits as much as the skill set and opportunity ... sure am glad I got Betts as his handcuff!

Here's hoping his injury doesn't present too much difficulty for him and the 'Skins during the season ... it's tough to see team players go down like that!

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I hate drafting early....

As do I.It also hate being in a league with a @#$%sucker that grabs your handcuffs a full 2 rounds before he should be off the board just to be a #####. I guess he gets to gloat now that it worked for once. Oh well, hopefully karma evens it out. So, sorry LJ owners, but I'm afraid I have to start rooting for him to get hit by a bus.

 

[JimmyD]

I had a "mild" level 1 separated AC Joint in my shoulder (best impression of Manny Ramirez in left field diving for a ball). Anyway, if that was only a grade 1, I don't want to know what the other grades were. I was in a sling for awhile, rehabbed, etc. Would hear my shoulder grind when doing light bench presses months after. Couldn't even fathom getting hit by a linebacker with one, even months later.

I had the same thing, although I'm not sure of the level but I'd say mild or even less than what you graded out to.I lost all "zip" on my baseball throw. Had trouble throwing from third to first. Also hurt when I swung. After a while the pain went away but the power/strength didn't come back. Also had trouble with lat pull downs and bench press for 12-14 months at least. Now that was with very minimal training support. With the best in the business he should be fine. If I was a betting man I'd say he won't miss any game time (regular season) but his shoulder strength will be affected. Given all the devices out there it shouldn't hurt his game a lot, maybe lose a few goalline touches and other short yardage runs.I'd still take him #4. You just need to move up Betts a couple of rounds for good measure.

 

[ShaqAttaq]

I hate drafting early....

As do I.It also hate being in a league with a @#$%sucker that grabs your handcuffs a full 2 rounds before he should be off the board just to be a #####. I guess he gets to gloat now that it worked for once. Oh well, hopefully karma evens it out. So, sorry LJ owners, but I'm afraid I have to start rooting for him to get hit by a bus.

drafting good quality handcuffs like betts or turner isn't being a doosh, it's strategy. sure, it's similar to buying a lottery ticket. you're just upset that you didn't get betts.

 

[fatness]

Just thinking out loud: this injury seems like it will affect Portis's blocking more than ball carrying or receiving when he comes back, doesn't it? He really throws himself into blocks in pass protection, actually knocked out an LB with a block last year, and he said last year that's why his shoulders were always sore.

 

[eoMMan]

Did anyone catch Portis in his postgame interview with the reporters?

He was complaining about 4 preseason games being too many.

The boy needs to toughen up, IMO.

And if anyone hasn't seen his characters, here you go:

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[code]

I just want to highlight something Pasquino wrote in his prime numbers drafting article. Jeff did a blurb about getting the back up RB around the 11th round as insurance for all those high 1st round picks.I think Betts is a good handcuff for Portis. I picked him up in the 13th of my draft. While I am not happy with what happened to Portis, I also think Betts will succeed should he have to start for any length of time too. Important when you draft to sometimes think about who the back up is too

This concludes the "most obvious statement of the day" portion of our program.

Had the exact same thought...

 

[metoo]

I had a "mild" level 1 separated AC Joint in my shoulder (best impression of Manny Ramirez in left field diving for a ball). Anyway, if that was only a grade 1, I don't want to know what the other grades were. I was in a sling for awhile, rehabbed, etc. Would hear my shoulder grind when doing light bench presses months after. Couldn't even fathom getting hit by a linebacker with one, even months later.

I had the same thing, although I'm not sure of the level but I'd say mild or even less than what you graded out to.I lost all "zip" on my baseball throw. Had trouble throwing from third to first. Also hurt when I swung. After a while the pain went away but the power/strength didn't come back. Also had trouble with lat pull downs and bench press for 12-14 months at least. Now that was with very minimal training support. With the best in the business he should be fine. If I was a betting man I'd say he won't miss any game time (regular season) but his shoulder strength will be affected. Given all the devices out there it shouldn't hurt his game a lot, maybe lose a few goalline touches and other short yardage runs.I'd still take him #4. You just need to move up Betts a couple of rounds for good measure.

I don't have Porrtis in any league, but I don't think we will more than a game at the most. He has access to the best doctors, and these guys play with pain that the average person could not not fathom.

 

[BigTex]

The latest news:

Shoulder Injury Sidelines Portis

By Bo Mitchell

Publisher

August 14, 2006

Fantasy owners, take note: the week one status of Clinton Portis is up in the air. The Redskins running back injured his left shoulder during Sunday's preseason game against the Bengals. Portis was making a hustle play, chasing down Keiwan Ratliff after the Bengals corner had picked off a Mark Brunell pass and was heading for the house; Portis tackled Ratliff awkwardly, landing hard on his shoulder. After leaving the field under his own power, Portis underwent X-Rays and an MRI. The results showed no fractures, however, they did reveal that Portis had suffered a subluxation, or partial dislocation of his shoulder. Doctors were able to pop it back into place, and Portis returned to the sideline with his arm in a sling.

Now what? Well, the Washington Post is reporting that Portis is "expected to miss at least the remainder of the preseason." Portis also told reporters that he thinks the injury could linger into the regular season since he essentially now has a bull's eye on his shoulder for opposing defenses. Surgery is a possibility if the shoulder does not respond well to rest and rehab. :(

The Quote: "We just wanted to have one good drive," Redskins head coach Joe Gibbs told the Washington Post. "I didn't want [Portis] to carry it more than a couple of times. . . . It's probably on me if there's going to be anyone second-guessed on it."

Fantasy Analysis: What if Gibbs hadn't left him in the game so long? What if Brunell hadn't thrown the interception? What if Portis wouldn't have hustled downfield to make the tackle? There is a lot of room for second-guessing.

There's also a lot of guesswork involved in how long Portis will be sidelined. The team won't have a timetable for his return until the swelling goes down and more tests results are in. Basically, we just have to wait and see right now. If no surgery is needed, and Portis responds well to rehab, he could be back in time for week one. On the other hand, if he needs to go under the knife, his status for week one would be very questionable.

Either way, defenders will be gunning for that shoulder once he returns, and the chance for re-injury seems pretty high. Portis will slide from the fourth spot in our running back rankings if we find out that the injury will force him to miss any regular season time. In fact, he may slide down even if the news is good, simply because of the re-injury fears. In any event, handcuffing Ladell Betts to Portis as insurance on draft day is no longer a luxury; it is now a requirement.

 

[Big Score]

After leaving the field under his own power, Portis underwent X-Rays and an MRI. The results showed no fractures, however, they did reveal that Portis had suffered a subluxation, or partial dislocation of his shoulder. Doctors were able to pop it back into place, and Portis returned to the sideline with his arm in a sling.

Surgery is a possibility if the shoulder does not respond well to rest and rehab.

I'm no doctor, but I think this reporter might be making the surgery part up. Unlike a seperated shoulder, where ligaments get stretched or even torn, there's nothing to operate on for a partial dislocation is there?

 

[Tat]

After leaving the field under his own power, Portis underwent X-Rays and an MRI. The results showed no fractures, however, they did reveal that Portis had suffered a subluxation, or partial dislocation of his shoulder. Doctors were able to pop it back into place, and Portis returned to the sideline with his arm in a sling.

Surgery is a possibility if the shoulder does not respond well to rest and rehab.

I'm no doctor, but I think this reporter might be making the surgery part up. Unlike a seperated shoulder, where ligaments get stretched or even torn, there's nothing to operate on for a partial dislocation is there?

Well, depending on the severity of the dislocation, there could be.Yes, the rotator cuff and labrum are always in danger of being injured in a dislocatoin, however, my concern would be the capsule that surrounds the AC joint.

If this was CP's 1st dislocation, I would be 99% sure that surgery wouldn't be needed, but if this was his 5th or 6th, surgery would be in order.

Marc Bulger comes to mind for some reason, but he has had a few different shoulder injuries in the past.

Worst case scenario, other than sitting out or having surgery will be that Portis would wear a harness type of protective apparell that would keep his shoulder semi-mobilized which would hinder pass catching and blocking.