Portis Strategy (off shoot) (1 Viewer)

[einstein2u]

starting him over jacobs and taylor.....still on the fence though.

 

[Marc Levin]

Definitely starting him. I haven't read this whole thread and maybe someone already mentioned this, but this morning's NFL Total Access had interview with dude who was asked about Portis. Said "Labor Day heals all" or something like that implying that vets sit out to avoid preseason and then are good to go week 1. He also said "knowing clinton, I expect we will see a lot of him and that he will do quite well vs. Miami" or words to that effect. I hope he is right.

dude said that? I'm feeling better already.

:(That said, he has a good point - vets sit out preseason if they can. Edge was notorious for finding excuses to miss the preseason.TJones' "tendonitis" is a great examnple - guy had an extended season playing in the Super Bowl, and then had to get into Jets camp early after being unexpectedly traded. He GLADLY sat out after TC was over. Why risk his season on a handful of plays in preseason games against defensive players trying to win starting spots?

 

[Arm Chair Express]

Do you have the balls to start him week 1? He was one of my keepers and I'm not concerned about Betts stealing carries if Portis is healthy, which I know many think is a big if. This has been debated over and over throughout the offseason and I'm not interested in another debate, I'm just wondering how many out there are going to start him. Personally, I am even though I have other options on my bench (Jones, Benson, McAllister).

I'd probably start either Benson or McAllister over him this week.I'd want to see him run if I had other options. My starters in a TD heavy league are LJ and Benson, and I have Portis off the bench into my flex since my WRs are not strong. I have no reservations about starting him in my flex against most other RB3/WR3 options, but I am not willing to start him at RB2 without seeing how he performs.

Second, Miami doesn't offer a good matchup for him.

Third, Portis is NOT healthy and Gibbs has already stated that Betts will see significant time this week.

So, you are making a gut call here that is against all objective factors (matchup, other options that are better, health, and splitting time all weigh against you starting Portis). On a gut call, I don't think how many of the rest of us start him is relevant to your decision.

Its not, I didn't start a WDIS thread, I was just wondering what the consenses out there is on the thoughts of Portis Owners. He will be my RB3 flex player behing LT2 and Bush, so it not like he'd kill me one way or the other. I like his chances better than Benson (who hasn't proven anything yet) against SD def or T. Jones who has also been hurt against NE def.

That's T Jones? I thought it was JJones.I don't believe (nor did I imply) you started a WDIS thread (or else this thread would be in the ACF by now). Hoewever, I do think you started it to brag about your RB crew.

BTW, that you reject TJones "because he has been hurt," yet will play Portis strikes me as unusual.

1) Miami's run D was almost as good as NEs when NE had Seymour - Seymour's hurt and safetyu support from Harrison is gone - the Pats could be susceptible to the run on Sunday.

2) TJones has been practicing, will start, and there is no news that he will split carries. Portis, OTOH, is the subject of statements by his HC that Betts will see significant carries.

Like I said, you are making a gut call, not an objective one. There is nothing wrong with that, but your statements for why you are making the call smell of rationalization more than a convincing case to start Portis over your other options.

ETA - I am starting him in my flex spot, too, so, AFAIC "Run, Portis, Run!"

I'm not rejecting T. Jones because he has been hurt, I was just pointing out the same arguement for not starting Portis could be used for him. I forgot Seymore was hurt, but I still see Portis with having the bigger upside. As far as a convincing case, I think NE has a better offense then Miami, so I don't think Miami will score many points which means Washington will be able to astablish the run. Where NY might have to pass to keep up. Plus TJ hasn't been a very good goal line runner and I think Portis has a better shot at scoring a td.

 

[Exile]

Wow, I was planning on taking a "wait and see" attitude with Portis and sitting him in favor of Bernard Berrian @ SD. But the amount of Portis confidence in this thread has me rethinking that.

 

[turleyfan]

Starting him as an RB2 (over Brandon Jackson and Jerious Norwood) and an RB3 (over Peterson). I'm happy to have him, and will play him every week he is above questionable, until / unless he gets hurt, or one of my other options shows himself to be the second coming of Bo.

 

[Marc Levin]

TJ hasn't been a very good goal line runner and I think Portis has a better shot at scoring a td.

I have Portis and I am starting him at the flex, so I am pulling for that, but:From the GL in '06, in 16 att., TJ had 5 TDs. In 2005, TJ had 7 TDs on 12 rush attempts from the GL.Portis had 14 att and 4 TDs last year (in 8 games), and an identical 16 att. and 5 TDs in 16 games in '05.One thing Jones HAS been good at (along with pass-catching, a trait Portis lacks these days) is scoring near the GLAnother consideration is opportunities. Wash's O is much worse than NYJ, and I don't expect Campbell to move the ball well. I see more 3 and outs from Wash. v. Miami than I do with the NYJets v. the Pats. Mangini has actually had the Jets playing very well against his former employer. I am of the opinion that the game with more offense (NYJ v. NE) provides greater TD opportunities for the RBs.I am not trying to make a case for TJ over Portis - I couldn't be happier than if I saw 150 and 2 TDs from Portis - I am just unconvinced by your arguments. Not sure why you won't acknolwedge playing Portis is a gut call more than anything else, but I'll keep discussing it if you want.In your sitch, I would personally play either Benson or McAllister over Portis in the flex - but only b/c I think Betts will be in there a lot and that it is a gamble to play a hurting (and increasingly more fragile) Portis in a very toiugh run matchup against Miami. This is especially true if you are correct that Wash wants to run the ball a lot due to a lower scoring game, I would think the team will protect Clinton later in the game by subbing Betts more to keep him fresh.But, whatever - like I said, I am not trying to convince you and I want Portis to succeed. I just don't buy your reasoning.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Do you have the balls to start him week 1? He was one of my keepers and I'm not concerned about Betts stealing carries if Portis is healthy, which I know many think is a big if. This has been debated over and over throughout the offseason and I'm not interested in another debate, I'm just wondering how many out there are going to start him. Personally, I am even though I have other options on my bench (Jones, Benson, McAllister).

I'd probably start either Benson or McAllister over him this week.I'd want to see him run if I had other options. My starters in a TD heavy league are LJ and Benson, and I have Portis off the bench into my flex since my WRs are not strong. I have no reservations about starting him in my flex against most other RB3/WR3 options, but I am not willing to start him at RB2 without seeing how he performs.Second, Miami doesn't offer a good matchup for him.Third, Portis is NOT healthy and Gibbs has already stated that Betts will see significant time this week.So, you are making a gut call here that is against all objective factors (matchup, other options that are better, health, and splitting time all weigh against you starting Portis). On a gut call, I don't think how many of the rest of us start him is relevant to your decision.

I can easily see starting Deuce over Portis - it's clearly a better matchup, but Benson? You say you want to see Portis run first, but I think I need to "see" Benson run even more so before I plug him into the starting lineup, even though he's healthier. At least Portis has done it before.I'm not saying I'm loving the Portis start this week, but I can't stand Benson's situation this week.

 

[SCT]

Definitely starting him. I haven't read this whole thread and maybe someone already mentioned this, but this morning's NFL Total Access had interview with dude who was asked about Portis. Said "Labor Day heals all" or something like that implying that vets sit out to avoid preseason and then are good to go week 1. He also said "knowing clinton, I expect we will see a lot of him and that he will do quite well vs. Miami" or words to that effect. I hope he is right.

dude said that? I'm feeling better already.

Yes dude said that. Not The Dude, just a dude. Lebowski was still asleep at the time. All I know is that he was the first "expert" I've heard echo what many of us on the is board have been hoping was the case. Maybe someone else saw it and can name the guy. I think it was the Jamie guy but not sure if he even works with NFL Network.

 

[Katism]

10 Team PPR.Westbrook as my RB1.A. Green or Portis as RB2?I keep flip flopping as the week progresses.From another site:

Redskins running back Clinton Portis practiced fully on Wednesday, and the signs continue to be very positive. "Clinton has been taking the work, starting last week," head coach Joe Gibbs tells the team's official web site. "I think the best thing he can do is practice. He's done that. I don't think we've had any flare-ups or anything. Hopefully we made the right decision and got that thing healed up." Portis missed the entire preseason due to right knee tendinitis.

 

[SCT]

From another site:

Redskins running back Clinton Portis practiced fully on Wednesday, and the signs continue to be very positive. "Clinton has been taking the work, starting last week," head coach Joe Gibbs tells the team's official web site. "I think the best thing he can do is practice. He's done that. I don't think we've had any flare-ups or anything. Hopefully we made the right decision and got that thing healed up." Portis missed the entire preseason due to right knee tendinitis.

In the immortal words of Kip Dynamite, "That's what I'm talkin' about."

 

[Eagle Eye]

Definitely starting him. I haven't read this whole thread and maybe someone already mentioned this, but this morning's NFL Total Access had interview with dude who was asked about Portis. Said "Labor Day heals all" or something like that implying that vets sit out to avoid preseason and then are good to go week 1. He also said "knowing clinton, I expect we will see a lot of him and that he will do quite well vs. Miami" or words to that effect. I hope he is right.

dude said that? I'm feeling better already.

Yes dude said that. Not The Dude, just a dude. Lebowski was still asleep at the time. All I know is that he was the first "expert" I've heard echo what many of us on the is board have been hoping was the case. Maybe someone else saw it and can name the guy. I think it was the Jamie guy but not sure if he even works with NFL Network.

I appreciate the post. Just goofin.

 

[thecardiackid]

I have Portis as my RB2, but was lucky enough to get A Green as my RB3.

Same situation here. I'm starting Green and sitting Portis. I see no reason to gamble on Portis since Green has a favorable match-up against the Chiefs.

Same here.

 

[Marc Levin]

Do you have the balls to start him week 1? He was one of my keepers and I'm not concerned about Betts stealing carries if Portis is healthy, which I know many think is a big if. This has been debated over and over throughout the offseason and I'm not interested in another debate, I'm just wondering how many out there are going to start him. Personally, I am even though I have other options on my bench (Jones, Benson, McAllister).

I'd probably start either Benson or McAllister over him this week.I'd want to see him run if I had other options. My starters in a TD heavy league are LJ and Benson, and I have Portis off the bench into my flex since my WRs are not strong. I have no reservations about starting him in my flex against most other RB3/WR3 options, but I am not willing to start him at RB2 without seeing how he performs.Second, Miami doesn't offer a good matchup for him.Third, Portis is NOT healthy and Gibbs has already stated that Betts will see significant time this week.So, you are making a gut call here that is against all objective factors (matchup, other options that are better, health, and splitting time all weigh against you starting Portis). On a gut call, I don't think how many of the rest of us start him is relevant to your decision.

I can easily see starting Deuce over Portis - it's clearly a better matchup, but Benson? You say you want to see Portis run first, but I think I need to "see" Benson run even more so before I plug him into the starting lineup, even though he's healthier. At least Portis has done it before.I'm not saying I'm loving the Portis start this week, but I can't stand Benson's situation this week.

I'm not in love with it either - I am not sure which I would start if pressed (I happen to be starting both of them in a TD-heavy league behind LJ, as I stated above). I said "probably" b/c it is only Thursday, there is noone of relevance behind Benson, and Gibbs' last statement was that Betts would see significant time. I am not concerned with Benson as the RB in Chicago this year - the team runs too much to have traded Jones without confidence in Benson. And I think Benson really sprouted late last year. That said, the matchup v. S.D., and the way that game could progress (potentially a 9-6 ballgame!), makes playing Benson this week a real question mark. I rate them right now, as equal.Later this week, as I hear about Portis practicing and practicing healthy, my view could change. On the year, I expect Portis to be a better RB than Benson. This week, I just don't know.

 

[GoinDeep]

I'm deciding between Portis and J. Jones.

I have a feeling Julius is going to put up a good game against the Giants D and I am worried about Portis splitting carries.

Portis certainly has more upside though.

 

[fsufan]

portis in 4 leagues. starting him in 4 of them, James in the other

 

[richn]

portis in 4 leagues. starting him in 4 of them, James in the other

Ariz has owned SF and done well offensively