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will be facing Ds with 8 in the box, offense already has a high target role for a receiver who just gets the ball in space... feels like he's going to hit big in this situation. Even Ponder can be spun into a plus - he's not a good downfield passer, so that gives them even more excuses to run passing plays are are high % bubble screens, quick slants and what not.
Same here. Comparing his potential to Harvin doesn't seem like a good idea. Harvin was the #2 WR in PPR before he got hurt (and still blasted Ponder on his way out the door). After that the next best Minnesota WR for the rest of the season was Jarius Wright who was #56 (barely worth a roster spot). With the Vikes QB situation for the forseeable future, you have to ask whether Patterson will be more like Harvin or more like every other WR Ponder has ever thrown to. He better be an elite talent or he might not be worth a roster spot. Of course if you're willing to wait for a new QB you certainly can, but who knows what that will look like. Seems like an awful high risk for a pick that you want to be pretty safe.
It's their upside. Look at the numbers to the right - they both have similar risk, but Tavon's upside isn't as high as Patterson's.Mike63 said:
little run after catch ability, soft/finesse player. great size/hands/ball skills, but he looks like a possession receiving TE to me
Harvin was a dominate wr ad rb. That's a huge reach.
This is my thinking exactly. Patterson already has risk and he's put in one of the worst situations for a receiver in the NFL...no thanks. He could hit, but I think that means both he AND ponder have to work out.mbuehner said:
Patterson was used less at RB but had a higher YPC (12.3) compared to Harvin's career average of 9.5. His YPR was also higher at 16.9 to Harvin's 14.5.
It's doesn't take a HOF QB to throw the ball 5 yards and say "Here, do something with it".
Per carry is cool but you cant ignore per game. Especially if you just consider his games vs good oppenents and not a team like Troy.
Easy math but I think he's a poor man's Jonathan Baldwin. 2 minutes worth of his tape he probably didn't do anything. Maybe 2 minutes worth a highlights would suffice. I can see why the excitement but I wouldnt risk paralyzing my fantasy team on his bust potential that high. I can gamble later on a big reciever.
A rookie pick would paralyze your fantasy team?
Harvin was anything but a dominant WR in college. He was a dominant RB and short area weapon at Florida but just as unpolished a WR as Patterson. Patterson is amazingly similar to Harvin as far as a prospect. The only real difference is he's much bigger IMO. I've easily got Patterson as the #1 WR in this class. Austin is nice, but doesn't posses true WR1 potential. Patterson easily has the most potential for top end WR1 ability in the NFL.
I'm sure the Bucs felt that way when they took Arrelious Benn two rounds ahead of Mike Williams. That's not how it worked out though.
Dobson's opportunity extends to the first few weeks of camp/preseason when he will possibly open camp atop the depth chart. He has no guarantees after that. Emphasis on "short" in the short term.
Didn't they draft Ridley a few rounds after vareen also?
Has there EVER been a drafted RB by Fox who turned out to be a longterm RB1?
True, but it might take a HOF caliber WR to actually do something with it, when nobody is afraid that QB can throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field.
to get back on topic, i'd say the reason folk might be a little more worried about short term with Ball than normal is the Peyton Manning window being fairly small
Not a very good comparison since Mike Williams fell in the draft due to character concerns. Who to say whether Williams would have gone ahead of Benn if those character questions were not a concern.EBF said:
Its certainly not without concern, but I'd also point out that:
Naw the Patriots are completely clueless with their rookie scouting. That is why Bloom and EBF are so much smarter than they are.
I think it's an apt comparison. Boyce likely fell in part because of his current injury.
Really? Breaking your pinkie toe is not the same as quitting on your team. It killed Marquess Wilson draft stock this year.
didn't they admit as much about a couple weeks ago
Boyce might have gone higher if not for his foot injury. Even Mayock said that on NFL Network when the Pats made the pick.
They cutting Edelman? No reason to rush Boyce into slot with Edelman sticking around. I think it's more likely Boyce beats out Dobson for outside WR, then he beats out Edelman for backup slot WR. For 2013 at least.
Ideally you want Shaq and Kobe. You don't want a team with two Shaq's or two Kobe's for balance sake, and the fact that they require two different builds and seperate skill sets. In the NFL that's a possesion reviever and a jumpball reciever. You wouldn't ask Moss to run cross patterns all game, nor would you send Welker on streaks all game. There is areason for that. Brady was unstoppable when he had those two guys. The patriots can manage with two possesion recievers but it's obvious the need a true deep threat on the outside. I'm not the biggest Dobson fan but can't ignore the possibilities. There is no other receiver on the team that can be a jumpball receiver. Might have value regardless of top level talent. They've tried to send Gronk vertical but that's all they have. Lloyd failed at it. 6'3, great hands, Brady and Bellichick. Lot to think about in a few drafts..EBF said:
I respect both of your thoughts on these players and their situation. It is an interesting one to evaluate. A lot of potential for any player who can get a good amount of targets from Brady.
