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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If it takes Vaccaro a year to start on that defense something went terribly wrong.
Apparently you like the upsides of the rookie TEs
Apparently you like the upsides of the rookie TEs
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Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Harper sits (and comes in on passing situations) or is cut.
Edit: And why do we (not just you Sig, lots do this) care if Fox plays Ball this year when we're considering these guys for dynasty purposes?
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
Seeing Aaron Dobson ranked behind Da'rick Rogers is giving me flash backs to when you ranked Chad Span ahead of Steven Ridley.
What can I say other than Dobson should be good value in this years rookie drafts.
What can I say other than Dobson should be good value in this years rookie drafts.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Interesting that you have Rivera as the rookie TE to watch for over Kasa who was drafted earlier and has the better overall draft rating and 40 time. But I tend to agree with this after seeing tape of both rookies. Rivera's got good hands, and the starting TE slot is a wide open competition now that Myers is gone to New York.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
He's got Patterson listed as an "Elite WR 1"
Even as a Vikings fan I think that's pretty bold for a rookie WR. Even Julio Jones wasn't an Elite WR his first year, although he showed signs that he had become one at the end of the season.
Keeping my fingers crossed Bloom is right, and I think it will all depend on the guidance of Greg Jennings.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Those rankings are prefaced with "The potential to be..." I believe.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
because just like w Hillman, the longer it takes to get on the field, the more likely someone will usurp your shot for a big role
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The next guy would break the Fox mold? Why wouldn't the rule be true for him too?
Hillman was never going to be the guy in Denver. So I dispute it's just like his situation
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massraider
Footballguy
IDP owners have to be pretty happy where most of these guys ended up.
Ansah and Jordan as DEs in 4-3, Brown and Jones went to spectacular situations, Bostic and Alonso as well to a lesser extent, and as an Oakland homer, it's tough to imagine Moore not being a compiler on a bad defense. Burris is penciled in as the WLB, but Moore is a lot more athletic. he may be a 3 down LB early in the season.
Ansah and Jordan as DEs in 4-3, Brown and Jones went to spectacular situations, Bostic and Alonso as well to a lesser extent, and as an Oakland homer, it's tough to imagine Moore not being a compiler on a bad defense. Burris is penciled in as the WLB, but Moore is a lot more athletic. he may be a 3 down LB early in the season.
With this is mind, #17 (offensively) seems awfully high for Michael. With Turbin and Lynch each having 3 years left on their contracts, it's hard to see him being relevant in the next 3 years without injury.
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ExaltedOne
Footballguy
I'm having trouble understanding why these two players are so spread out considering their upside/risk factors:
8. Keenan Allen WR SD 9 Floyd and Alexander shouldn t be hard to overtake High WR2 3 15. Justin Hunter WR TEN 15 flashes of greatness but inconsistent much like guy he s trying to displace Low WR1 4 Seems like they should be much tighter in ranking. Risk factors are similar and if Hunter can be a WR1 that seems worth the slightly higher risk, no?
Personally I think the two are close but haven't done enough research for my own rankings yet.
8. Keenan Allen WR SD 9 Floyd and Alexander shouldn t be hard to overtake High WR2 3 15. Justin Hunter WR TEN 15 flashes of greatness but inconsistent much like guy he s trying to displace Low WR1 4 Seems like they should be much tighter in ranking. Risk factors are similar and if Hunter can be a WR1 that seems worth the slightly higher risk, no?
Personally I think the two are close but haven't done enough research for my own rankings yet.
Strictly based on upside. Michael looked like the best natural runner on film in this class, and the Seahawks obviously agreed.
the spread isn't as big as the numbers indicate. I have allen and hunter close in talent.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
Elite WR 1 as his UPSIDE. He's not saying he's an Elite WR 1 RIGHT NOW.
I completely agree with this call Bloom and the reason why I took Patterson over Austin in my rookie draft with the 1.01.
I love Austin but I see his upside limited to under the Elite line.
Bold call but I completely agree.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
where is your top tier cutoff?
Fullback Fro
yesno
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
So why the big drop off in ratings? Allen as a mid-1st and Hunter an early-mid 2nd. Is this due to competition/QB play?
sorry that was a mistake because of my header row throwing off numbers. its 5Fullback Fro said:
QB play and lack of trust in locker is a small part of it. honestly its probably more that the 8-15 players are tightly packedExaltedOne said:
massraider
Footballguy
That assumption is that Lynch sees the end of that deal. Lynch will have a 9 million dollar cap number in 2015.
RavenLunatic
Footballguy
My concern with Michael is his lack of maturity. Curious if he will be able to maintain focus with potentially limited playing time?
Can anyone else envision Turbin moving to a FB/HB role? He dropped a lot of passes last year but get him in the flat and he will flatten some DBs.
Can anyone else envision Turbin moving to a FB/HB role? He dropped a lot of passes last year but get him in the flat and he will flatten some DBs.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
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biju
Footballguy
I've read this (bolded) a couple of times and I wonder where that is coming from. I can really only think of one really blatant drop (against the 49ers) and one that was tipped up by him on a slightly errant pass and ended up being intercepted (oddly enough, in the 2nd game against SF). Those are two of his 23 targets last year, a year in which he had 19 catches. So in other words I think the worst case scenario for him would be 3 drops (the 1st SF game and the two I can't remember), and most likely one or both of those ones I can't remember weren't drops.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think it is a pretty big gap between Rivers and Locker + whoever they go with after Locker loses the job.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Nice work as usual Bloom.
One thing I disagree with you about it this
Meanwhile Boyce will have to fight Amendola and others for targets in the slot role, I think Dobson is in a better situation for opportunity than Boyce and is more consistent than you give him credit for. Boyce despite being smaller is not much faster than Dobson is either. Boyce was 4.38 in the 40 while Dobson was 4.44 at his pro day, knock that number down a bit and Dobson is still plenty fast for his size that I would not say Boyce is that much faster than Dobson is.
If Boyce earned Welkers targets I could see your point of view but he wont, by the time he might be able to earn that role in the offense Brady will be on his last legs or retired most likely, which makes it hard to say if that slot role will have the same value it has in recent seasons.
One thing I disagree with you about it this
Sounds pretty consistent to me and now has Brady?
Meanwhile Boyce will have to fight Amendola and others for targets in the slot role, I think Dobson is in a better situation for opportunity than Boyce and is more consistent than you give him credit for. Boyce despite being smaller is not much faster than Dobson is either. Boyce was 4.38 in the 40 while Dobson was 4.44 at his pro day, knock that number down a bit and Dobson is still plenty fast for his size that I would not say Boyce is that much faster than Dobson is.
If Boyce earned Welkers targets I could see your point of view but he wont, by the time he might be able to earn that role in the offense Brady will be on his last legs or retired most likely, which makes it hard to say if that slot role will have the same value it has in recent seasons.
boyce has an extra gear than dobson does not. whatever the timed speeds are, that shows up on film. Dobson might not have had any drops, but he is not a natural hands catcher all of the time and he will fight the ball sometimes.
EBF
Footballguy
I also have Boyce rated ahead of Dobson. I think Boyce is one of the most underrated skill prospects in the draft. I'm not sure where his ADP falls, but I have him rated as a top 12 rookie pick in this class. I don't think it's accurate to pigeon hole him as a slot WR. He played on the outside plenty at TCU. He isn't a tall receiver, but he isn't a small receiver either. At 5'11" 206, he actually has one of the highest weight per height ratios of any WR in the draft class. From a BMI standpoint he is right between Hakeem Nicks and Dez Bryant. In other words, very rocked out for his height. He also has 4.38 speed, a 10'11" broad jump, and a 6.68 three cone time. Those are all elite marks. Speed. Quickness. Strength. He has all of that. This guy is a special athlete on paper and certainly looked the part at the combine, showing some of the most crisp and explosive route running skills of any WR in attendance.
His production wasn't amazing in college, but it was pretty good given that TCU isn't a passing powerhouse. Jeremy Kerley's best two seasons there were 532 and 575 yards, and that was with Andy Dalton at QB. Boyce had 998 yards as a sophomore. His numbers dipped last year in part because TCU was breaking in a new QB, but he still did quite well. He's the school's all-time leader in TD catches even though he only played three seasons. Boyce doesn't look like a first round talent on film, but he's probably worth a 2nd round pick. I think New England got a nice value with him, much like the Rams with Givens last year. I've compared him to a faster hybrid of Deion Branch and David Givens. Bigger and stronger than Branch. Faster and more explosive than both of them.
As for Dobson, I didn't like that pick by New England. Good jump ball skills, but just average playing speed and route running ability. He was only moderately productive in college despite playing four years in a weak conference. Feels a bit like Taylor Price. Another New England WR miss out of the MAC. He'll likely be better than Price, but IMO the Randy comparisons are absurd. He's more like Limas Sweed or Malcom Floyd at best.
His production wasn't amazing in college, but it was pretty good given that TCU isn't a passing powerhouse. Jeremy Kerley's best two seasons there were 532 and 575 yards, and that was with Andy Dalton at QB. Boyce had 998 yards as a sophomore. His numbers dipped last year in part because TCU was breaking in a new QB, but he still did quite well. He's the school's all-time leader in TD catches even though he only played three seasons. Boyce doesn't look like a first round talent on film, but he's probably worth a 2nd round pick. I think New England got a nice value with him, much like the Rams with Givens last year. I've compared him to a faster hybrid of Deion Branch and David Givens. Bigger and stronger than Branch. Faster and more explosive than both of them.
As for Dobson, I didn't like that pick by New England. Good jump ball skills, but just average playing speed and route running ability. He was only moderately productive in college despite playing four years in a weak conference. Feels a bit like Taylor Price. Another New England WR miss out of the MAC. He'll likely be better than Price, but IMO the Randy comparisons are absurd. He's more like Limas Sweed or Malcom Floyd at best.
RavenLunatic
Footballguy
RB scarcity/good situation for Bernard?
suttree
Footballguy
beerbarron
Footballguy
Pete Carrol is all about competition.. Michael, if he stays focused, will be battling for carries.. Plus Lynch's running style doesnt lead to long career and is 27 already.. and Turbin's style is much like lynch's..
