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Bucs ran a qb draw on last play of the game when a 25 yard touchdown was needed. 
That was actually a decent call - trying to catch them by surprise - they just didn't execute it very well.  They were planning to do several laterals similar to the way a rugby team would do it.  Only problem is that the first lateral wasn't clean.  

 
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C. Keenum is apparently going to be benched at halftime.  However, instead of actually doing it at halftime DEN has to run the kneel-down play to finish the half after the Rams punted.  Instead of letting Keenum run that last play, they bring in the backup QB to take the snap and kneel down.  However, this telegraphs to the Rams there will be a QB change - why give them that information unnecessarily?

 
C. Keenum is apparently going to be benched at halftime.  However, instead of actually doing it at halftime DEN has to run the kneel-down play to finish the half after the Rams punted.  Instead of letting Keenum run that last play, they bring in the backup QB to take the snap and kneel down.  However, this telegraphs to the Rams there will be a QB change - why give them that information unnecessarily?
Keep fans in the stadium by giving them hope?

 
C. Keenum is apparently going to be benched at halftime.  However, instead of actually doing it at halftime DEN has to run the kneel-down play to finish the half after the Rams punted.  Instead of letting Keenum run that last play, they bring in the backup QB to take the snap and kneel down.  However, this telegraphs to the Rams there will be a QB change - why give them that information unnecessarily?
From what I read, Keenum came out for a concussion check.

 
gase - gore,gore,gore .get to 1 inch line.dont let your giant, 6'7 qb run a qb sneak for the one inch, hand off to drake 8 yards back.  wtf.

 
Bills have josh Allen as qb 1 and Nate peterman as qb 2 and Colin Kaepernick on the street
I'd have been more confident in either Derek Anderson with like 3 days of learning the playbook or Logan Thomas who hasn't thrown an NFL pass in like 6 years rather than Peterman.  Brutal.

 
gase - gore,gore,gore .get to 1 inch line.dont let your giant, 6'7 qb run a qb sneak for the one inch, hand off to drake 8 yards back.  wtf.
My buddy was at the game. Right before that play I texted him "They should run a sneak to the 6-7 QB." 

That said, the play would have worked if Drake hadn't fumbled.

 
Not going for 2 after kicking that fg is horrific 
Only rationale I can think of is that there's enough time left in the game that he wasn't sure how scoring would play out. But the most likely explanation is that this is Andy Reid we're talking about.

 
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Only rationale I can think of is that there's enough time left in the game that he wasn't sure how scoring would play out. But the most likely explanation is that this is Andy Reid we're talking about.
And yet the game is tied...had they gone for two and not gotten it...they would have been chasing it the rest of the game.  

 
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Only rationale I can think of is that there's enough time left in the game that he wasn't sure how scoring would play out. But the most likely explanation is that this is Andy Reid we're talking about.
There were like 5 touchdowns scored after that.  It was right to wait.

 
Tomlin continues to botch his use of challenges.  He challenged the spot on a 4th and 1 when it was obviously not a first down.  Later he doesn't challenge was looked to be a sure Conner TD which ultimately led to a FG.   It didn't cost the Steelers the game but someone on that team needs to help Tomlin out...

 
Tomlin continues to botch his use of challenges.  He challenged the spot on a 4th and 1 when it was obviously not a first down.  Later he doesn't challenge was looked to be a sure Conner TD which ultimately led to a FG.   It didn't cost the Steelers the game but someone on that team needs to help Tomlin out...
Came here to post this.  He got very lucky Ben and AB bailed him out or that could have cost them the game.

 
Because he's scamming the Raiders out of $10 mill a year. Other than that, he is walking stupid.
The Raiders are scamming Las Vegas out of $750 mill so they can afford it.

[Sorry, this should be in the "Post here when cities do something obviously stupid" thread]

 
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Any Bill O'Brien playcall in the red zone. He is lucky the Texans were facing the dynamic duo of Allen/Peterman yesterday, or the Texans would have lost.

And his excuse for poor playcalling in the red zone is that playcalling in the redzone is hard. Okay. If it's hard for you, it's hard for all 32 play callers. Just don't be the worst (or 31st) of those 32 playcallers! You went to Brown University, put that to use, you nimrod!!

 
And his excuse for poor playcalling in the red zone is that playcalling in the redzone is hard. Okay. If it's hard for you, it's hard for all 32 play callers. Just don't be the worst (or 31st) of those 32 playcallers! You went to Brown University, put that to use, you nimrod!!
He said that?  That's pathetic.

 
Tomlin continues to botch his use of challenges.  He challenged the spot on a 4th and 1 when it was obviously not a first down.  Later he doesn't challenge was looked to be a sure Conner TD which ultimately led to a FG.   It didn't cost the Steelers the game but someone on that team needs to help Tomlin out...
He's lost eight challenges in a row.    

 
SF gets a nice return on the kickoff - all the way up to the 47 - GB has no timeouts, there is 1:49 left on the clock. SF has all three timeouts.

You gotta run the clock here. You only need ~15 yards to at least have a chance to kick game winning field goal.

1st down - 7 yard pass, to the GB 46

2nd down and 3- they snap it at 1:16 - could have taken it down to almost 1:00. Incomplete pass though, clock stops.

I think you gotta run the ball there. 2nd and 3. You get the fisrt down, you can run the clock all the way down to 25 seconds or so. You have three timeouts. 25 seconds is plenty of time to attempt three throws to try and get into field goal range. You don't get the first down, same thing. Let it run so if you throw and do not get the first, you punt and are giving GB no time to go 50+ yeards.

 
Tampa Bay kicker had already missed an XP during the game.  His longest FG of the year was 36 yards.  Tampa Bay coaches had a full minute plus timeouts to improve on a 40 yard attempt to win the game.

Coaches settle for the 40 yard attempt.  Kick is missed.

 
Payton taking out Brees every other play for some backup QB. In the red zone, he pulls Brees and the replacement options the ball almost over Kamara’s head for a turnover.

 
Payton taking out Brees every other play for some backup QB. In the red zone, he pulls Brees and the replacement options the ball almost over Kamara’s head for a turnover.
Yep.  He's trying too hard to be an offensive genius.  Reminds me of Brian Billick --- who was never an offensive genius except when he had Randy Moss and Cris Carter.

 
This was a small thing that had no impact whatsoever on the outcome, but I was at the game and my buddy and I were thoroughly confused at this logic.

Lions up 29-21, 2:11 left in the game, Miami has all three TOs left. Detroit has 2nd and 9 at the Miami 33. One of your top priorities in this situation has to be to run the clock down to the two-minute warning, or at least force Miami to expend a time out. So you'd presumably want to run, or maybe throw a quick screen/slant. Instead, deep pass to Marvin Jones, incomplete. Whole play took four seconds.

OK, fine, maybe the coaches saw an alignment they liked and took a chance to put the game away. Now it's 3rd and 9, 2:07 remaining. At this point, no matter what you do, you're going to go down the two-minute warning, so you might as well take a shot at getting the first down. Instead it's a draw to Kerryon that gets them two yards, setting up a 50-yard FG attempt that is far from a gimme. Fortunately, Prater bails them out by making it.

So basically, they threw in an obvious running situation and then followed it up by running in an obvious passing situation.

 
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In KC right now, 110/118 Dalton's passing yards have gone to AJ Green.  This is against maybe the worst defense in all of football.  Gee I wonder why they're losing 38-7.  I don't know if this is on coaching or Dalton but I suspect it's a horrid combination of the 2.  

 
In KC right now, 110/118 Dalton's passing yards have gone to AJ Green.  This is against maybe the worst defense in all of football.  Gee I wonder why they're losing 38-7.  I don't know if this is on coaching or Dalton but I suspect it's a horrid combination of the 2.  
Now it's 38-10 because they KICKED A FG DOWN FROM THE 15-YARD LINE WHEN THEY WERE DOWN 31 POINTS!

(Sorry about the yelling.)

 
At least Gruden was trying to avoid a shutout (which is a dumb reason, but at least is a reason). What is the benefit of making it 38-10?
They were both idiots settling for the pyrrhic victory of not losing by as much as they would have.

 
Payton taking out Brees every other play for some backup QB. In the red zone, he pulls Brees and the replacement options the ball almost over Kamara’s head for a turnover.
I get that Payton wants to see what he has in Taysom Hill - has good measurements at 6'2 221lb, a solid YPC as a rusher/jet sweeper, can line up wide and get in position with a reverse/flicker/other trick play to deliver the ball as a QB.

That said, agree with the decision making and he had a fumble, too, right? Agree with @Alex P Keaton -- needlessly getting cute and they should just rely on their HOF QB.

 
This trend of coaches driving for potential game-winning FGs and then getting conservative once they're "in range" (~50 yards) is one of those things that's obviously stupid not just by the numbers, but by the eye test for anyone who's ever watched football. Last week both the Dolphins and Bears did it in OT, though Miami was fortunate enough to make its FG. Yesterday both TB and Dallas did it, and both missed (TB later won in OT). As I mentioned a few posts up, Detroit did it in a game-clinching situation and was also fortunate that Prater made it.

I know coaches can't see the red "FIELD GOAL RANGE" banner they show on the telecasts, but they act like they're letting it dictate their strategy. FG range is not binary. The closer you get, the better your chances of hitting it. 

For a good counterexample, look at the end of the GB-SF MNF game last week:

3rd & 2 at SF 47

(0:15 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass deep right to E.St. Brown pushed ob at SF 28 for 19 yards (G.Mabin).

1st & 10 at SF 28

(0:10 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass deep left to D.Adams pushed ob at SF 9 for 19 yards (G.Mabin).

1st & 9 at SF 9

(0:06 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to D.Adams.

2nd & Goal at SF 9

(0:00 - 4th) Mason Crosby 27 Yd Field Goal
With 15 seconds left, Packers get the ball down to the 28. Do they get conservative and settle for a 46 yarder from Crosby? No! They take another shot to Adams and get the ball down to the 9. Then they try again and throw incomplete. Now Crosby just has to hit a chip shot to win the game.

 
Giants had 1st and Goal tonight from the 5ish yard line. Saquon got the carry on 1st for a couple yards. Then the Giants proceeded to let Eli try and pass on 2nd and 3rd down from the 3 yard line. Unbelievable. 

If I have Saquon Barkley and get 4 plays from inside the 5 yard line, I'm handing it off three times in a row, and probably just handing it off on 4th down again if needed. 

Pat Shurmur is an idiot. 
Have you met my friend Jim Harbaugh?

 
This trend of coaches driving for potential game-winning FGs and then getting conservative once they're "in range" (~50 yards) is one of those things that's obviously stupid not just by the numbers, but by the eye test for anyone who's ever watched football. Last week both the Dolphins and Bears did it in OT, though Miami was fortunate enough to make its FG. Yesterday both TB and Dallas did it, and both missed (TB later won in OT). As I mentioned a few posts up, Detroit did it in a game-clinching situation and was also fortunate that Prater made it.

I know coaches can't see the red "FIELD GOAL RANGE" banner they show on the telecasts, but they act like they're letting it dictate their strategy. FG range is not binary. The closer you get, the better your chances of hitting it. 

For a good counterexample, look at the end of the GB-SF MNF game last week:

With 15 seconds left, Packers get the ball down to the 28. Do they get conservative and settle for a 46 yarder from Crosby? No! They take another shot to Adams and get the ball down to the 9. Then they try again and throw incomplete. Now Crosby just has to hit a chip shot to win the game.
To be fair, the Packers have Aaron Rodgers, who you can pretty much 100% trust not to take a sack or throw an INT in that situation. Only a handful of teams have a fully trustworthy QB.

Where it gets really stupid though, is when the team is down by 3 and plays that way. Another way coaches fallaciously equate being tied with being ahead.

 
To be fair, the Packers have Aaron Rodgers, who you can pretty much 100% trust not to take a sack or throw an INT in that situation. Only a handful of teams have a fully trustworthy QB.

Where it gets really stupid though, is when the team is down by 3 and plays that way. Another way coaches fallaciously equate being tied with being ahead.
Sure, no one could do what Rodgers did in that Dallas playoff game a couple years ago, but if you're not totally confident in your QB, run quick outs (or slants if you have time) and, if the guy's not open, throw it away. In that situation, an incomplete pass is way better than a two-yard run, since it wastes less time. Meanwhile, even if you only complete one or two of them and gain 5-10 yards, you're putting your kicker in a much better situation.

Based on league-wide data from this season, FG% improves from 64% to 73% if you go from 50+ to 40-49. Once you get to 30-39 it goes all the way up to 95%.

 
Sure, no one could do what Rodgers did in that Dallas playoff game a couple years ago, but if you're not totally confident in your QB, run quick outs (or slants if you have time) and, if the guy's not open, throw it away. In that situation, an incomplete pass is way better than a two-yard run, since it wastes less time. Meanwhile, even if you only complete one or two of them and gain 5-10 yards, you're putting your kicker in a much better situation.

Based on league-wide data from this season, FG% improves from 64% to 73% if you go from 50+ to 40-49. Once you get to 30-39 it goes all the way up to 95%.
The problem with the quick out is that that's exactly what they're expecting you to do, and if you have Jameis Winston at QB you can't trust him to read the underneath coverage correctly. He's perfectly capable of throwing a pick-6 in that situation.

 

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