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Its the Browns. Everything that "makes no sense" actually makes sense when you add the context that it was the Browns.
Not really. Hue Jackson was the problem and now the new Browns are the Bengals.
Thanks. I remember the RZ host questioning it at the time, and I immediately thought of this thread.
I'm picturing Philbin standing on the sidelines holding up a boombox that's blasting "Forgot About Dre"They were both close, but I waswhen the Packers were out of challenges three plays into the game.
Interestingly, Pederson used this exact argument to defend his decision to kick the XP when Philly was in that scenario yesterday. I'm still not totally convinced it matters -- the data posted by @CalBear does not indicate there's an "aggression bonus" for offenses that are trailing instead of tied, and besides, most teams in that scenario will fail to score, so you should be deciding it more on whether you think you can convert the 2PC -- but it is refreshing to hear a coach think that way as opposed to just saying "We wanted to extend the game."
30) (No Huddle, Shotgun) D.Johnson up the middle to ARZ 20 for 1 yard (J.Davis).24) (Shotgun) D.Johnson up the middle to ARZ 30 for 10 yards (G.Quin).Bill Barnwell used to have a thing in his Grantland column where he would rip on teams for running meaningless draw plays at the end of the half. It's like, if you're going to try to score, then try to score. If not, just kneel. What could possibly be gained from a running play other than a potential injury?This didn't affect the game at all, but it was definitly a :whoosh: moment in the stadium. Why the heck are they calling a timeout? Detroit had two timeouts left so the Cards could have just run out the clock. They ran the first play, it didn't go anywhere, they call a timeout???, then run a second play.
Just a dumb timeout.
Arizona Cardinals at 0:30
1-10-ARZ 19
Timeout #1 by ARZ at 00:24.
2-9-ARZ 20
I can *kind of* understand maybe running and if you get 15 or 20 yards on first down you can call a timeout and try throwing from there. But after getting nowhere on the first run, why not just let the clock run out?
I remain skeptical. What is Blandino's source here, or was he just speculating? Because the official NFL game box score still lists the penalty as offside (not neutral zone enfraction nor encroachment) and lists the play as a live play.
I mean, I'm inclined to believe it just because, Browns jokes aside, there is no other rational reason for a coach to re-kick there. Maybe if Williams misunderstood the call? But otherwise, no way. I'd sooner believe the game log was wrong than believe anyone would be that stupid.
He's a giant. If it had been a hail Mary pass having a guy who is 6'6" on the field isn't a terrible idea.
Right there is obviously no reason to choose to re-kick after you just made it. The charge is that the coach misunderstood and didn't realize he could decline it.
Nope, I'm saying the messed up in the set of downs when the line to gain was the MIN 4, which left them with limited options once they got goal to go.
If they get a TD and then have to kick off with 50 seconds left in the half that's still way better than just getting a FG, especially with how their defense has been playing.
They did run the ball there. They got the first down, giving them first and goal at the 1.
Sean Payton playing Taysom Hill on anything. It's a throwaway play every time.Sean Payton playing Taysom Hill on special teams. Drew Brees should be the one blocking those punts!
First challenge was a good one and I have no idea how it wasn’t overturned. Second whilenclose was definitely stupid given the situation. Just lost your first one, that early in the game, and the upside is you don’t give up a first down in that play. Downside you are out of challenges and lose a second timeout.They were both close, but I was
They are out of challenges either way after he threw the flag that second time.sho nuff said:
That’s my point of why it was dumb to even challenge. Even winning it yiu are done with challenges to save a first down rather than having one that could change a bigger play later.
Bottom line is that he didn't have a plan in the last 5 minutes of that game. He got lucky.
But we could give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he realized that he made a mistake after the first TD and then corrected for it.
More likely is that, as with every other coach outside of Pederson and Shurmur, it never occurred to him to do it after the first one.
Maybe he had the defense he wanted for that formation? No reason to think you are going to guess right on the second break. More often than not coaches are just showboating with the defensive TO. I laugh to myself every time a guy does it before an onside kick attempt.trader jake said:
You mean the defensive formation where they leave the Chargers' best WR uncovered?
The analysis I saw had them in an inside-outside coverage, ie like a switch in basketball except the outside guy didn't recognize the cross which is why it looked like a pick with the WR so open. The formation and coverage can be spot on but the execution still has to come thru. The coach can only control the first two elements in that equation.You mean the defensive formation where they leave the Chargers' best WR uncovered?
And yes, I agree with you in general that teams shouldn't automatically be expected to call a timeout -- look at the way Belichick mindf##ked Carroll in the Super Bowl by not calling one. But given how discombobulated his secondary was on the 2PC, maybe it would have made sense in that scenario? I still haven't heard an explanation of what happened to the Chiefs on that play.
True, though going back to SB 49, it's worth keeping in mind that Belichick specifically drilled his DBs on defending that play during the week, then inserted Butler into the game as soon as he recognized the formation. Meanwhile, KC fell for a play that LA had already run for a TD to Williams in the same game.
As discussed earlier ITT and others. The optimal choice is to go for two on the first score regardless. The fact that he planned to go for the win in regulation ahead of time makes it a bigger mistake.
