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Post NFL Draft Dynasty Start ups / Rookie & Vets (1 Viewer)

2.06 18. Player to be named later Mathews, Ryan SDC RB ® :shrug:

Some people never cease to amaze me with their rookie valuations.
There is a very highly respected FBG article/post that equates the 1.01 rookie pick to the 2.04 pick in a startup draft. Given that Matthews went to a situation that is much better than the 1.01 usually finds himself in (explosive offense, no competition), I'm actually surprised he's not going earlier, and I usually think rookies are way overrated in these things.
 
There is a very highly respected FBG article/post that equates the 1.01 rookie pick to the 2.04 pick in a startup draft. Given that Matthews went to a situation that is much better than the 1.01 usually finds himself in (explosive offense, no competition), I'm actually surprised he's not going earlier, and I usually think rookies are way overrated in these things.
Guess I should feel good about this pick then2.13 27. Oprah's Va-Jay-Jay Mathews, Ryan SDC RB ®
 
Yea, I don't see what the fuss is about. That's just where you have to take him. He's the top all purpose back according to us and all of the scouts. He's going into a situation where the coach flat out stated that he will get around 250 carries and 40 reception his rookie season. What more could you possibly ask for? In Matthews case, the risk is certainly worth the reward.

 
Yea, I don't see what the fuss is about. That's just where you have to take him. He's the top all purpose back according to us and all of the scouts. He's going into a situation where the coach flat out stated that he will get around 250 carries and 40 reception his rookie season. What more could you possibly ask for? In Matthews case, the risk is certainly worth the reward.
Somebody who has already done it? Unless that league awards double points to people under 24 or something I cannot fathom Mathews at 18 overall. This is just post draft hype rearing it's ugly head. People fall in love with a player and being that the draft is fresh in their mind they reachhhhhhh to get them.
 
Yea, I don't see what the fuss is about. That's just where you have to take him. He's the top all purpose back according to us and all of the scouts. He's going into a situation where the coach flat out stated that he will get around 250 carries and 40 reception his rookie season. What more could you possibly ask for? In Matthews case, the risk is certainly worth the reward.
Somebody who has already done it? Unless that league awards double points to people under 24 or something I cannot fathom Mathews at 18 overall. This is just post draft hype rearing it's ugly head. People fall in love with a player and being that the draft is fresh in their mind they reachhhhhhh to get them.
Most of the people that "have already done it" have already done it once, and historically over the last decade second year standouts are just as likely to bust as rookies.The bust rate in fantasy football is high. Once you get outside of the top couple guys especially. At that point, rookies are no more likely to bust than just about any other player, and they're typically cheaper with more upside.

This whole "they've never played a down" thing is one of the most useless and overused statements in fantasy football.

Look at the guys who had "done it before" and were taken around that area of drafts the last two years.

Marion Barber

Marshawn Lynch

Larry Johnson

Ryan Grant

Willie Parker

Willis Mcgahee

Jamal Lewis

MJD

Brandon Jacobs

Laurence Maroney

Michael Turner

Thomas Jones

Earnest Graham

Ronnie Brown

Edgerrin James

All those guys had "done it before", and how many of them are complete busts today? I'm counting about 60-70% of them. That's fantasy football. People bust. Even guys that have "done it before" and every bit as often as guys who haven't.

 
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also, Rookies retain good value even if they disappoint for the 1st yr or 2.
That has some truth to it for sure. And I actually like Ryan Mathews and love his situation. But 18th overall? People are on board with that?Right now you would trade a majority of the following players for Ryan Mathews straight up? (Taken from the draft in question). I wouldn't personally even consider him in the early 20s. When I was part of an FBG startup that drafted in February Rookie #1 (Dez, pre combine) went 41st overall and the next Rookie (Spiller) went 61. Granted it's just one draft, but suddenly it's 18? :lmao: 2.07 19. Jackson, Vincent SDC WR Sun Apr 25 8:57:46 p.m. ET 20102.08 20. Colston, Marques NOS WR Sun Apr 25 10:11:48 p.m. ET 20102.09 21. Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB Sun Apr 25 10:24:28 p.m. ET 20102.10 22. Greene, Shonn NYJ RB Sun Apr 25 10:34:14 p.m. ET 20102.11 23. Moreno, Knowshon DEN RB Mon Apr 26 2:13:24 a.m. ET 20102.12 24. Rice, Sidney MIN WR Mon Apr 26 6:45:24 a.m. ET 2010 3.01 25. Brees, Drew NOS QB Mon Apr 26 9:43:59 a.m. ET 2010 3.02 26. Schaub, Matt HOU QB Mon Apr 26 11:58:50 a.m. ET 20103.03 27. Wayne, Reggie IND WR Mon Apr 26 12:17:12 p.m. ET 20103.04 28. Jackson, Steven STL RB Mon Apr 26 1:12:34 p.m. ET 2010 3.05 29. Wells, Chris ARI RB Mon Apr 26 5:19:46 p.m. ET 2010 he's very young3.06 30. Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB Mon Apr 26 5:20:43 p.m. ET 20103.07 31. Brady, Tom NEP QB Mon Apr 26 5:27:27 p.m. ET 20103.08 32. Turner, Michael ATL RB Mon Apr 26 6:36:03 p.m. ET 20103.09 33. Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR Mon Apr 26 8:10:29 p.m. ET 20103.10 34. Finley, Jermichael GBP TE Mon Apr 26 8:19:53 p.m. ET 20103.11 35. Rivers, Philip SDC QB Mon Apr 26 8:45:31 p.m. ET 2010
 
also, Rookies retain good value even if they disappoint for the 1st yr or 2.
That has some truth to it for sure. And I actually like Ryan Mathews and love his situation. But 18th overall? People are on board with that?Right now you would trade a majority of the following players for Ryan Mathews straight up? (Taken from the draft in question). I wouldn't personally even consider him in the early 20s. When I was part of an FBG startup that drafted in February Rookie #1 (Dez, pre combine) went 41st overall and the next Rookie (Spiller) went 61. Granted it's just one draft, but suddenly it's 18? :shrug: 2.07 19. Jackson, Vincent SDC WR Sun Apr 25 8:57:46 p.m. ET 20102.08 20. Colston, Marques NOS WR Sun Apr 25 10:11:48 p.m. ET 20102.09 21. Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB Sun Apr 25 10:24:28 p.m. ET 20102.10 22. Greene, Shonn NYJ RB Sun Apr 25 10:34:14 p.m. ET 20102.11 23. Moreno, Knowshon DEN RB Mon Apr 26 2:13:24 a.m. ET 20102.12 24. Rice, Sidney MIN WR Mon Apr 26 6:45:24 a.m. ET 2010 3.01 25. Brees, Drew NOS QB Mon Apr 26 9:43:59 a.m. ET 2010 3.02 26. Schaub, Matt HOU QB Mon Apr 26 11:58:50 a.m. ET 20103.03 27. Wayne, Reggie IND WR Mon Apr 26 12:17:12 p.m. ET 20103.04 28. Jackson, Steven STL RB Mon Apr 26 1:12:34 p.m. ET 2010 3.05 29. Wells, Chris ARI RB Mon Apr 26 5:19:46 p.m. ET 2010 he's very young3.06 30. Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB Mon Apr 26 5:20:43 p.m. ET 20103.07 31. Brady, Tom NEP QB Mon Apr 26 5:27:27 p.m. ET 20103.08 32. Turner, Michael ATL RB Mon Apr 26 6:36:03 p.m. ET 20103.09 33. Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR Mon Apr 26 8:10:29 p.m. ET 20103.10 34. Finley, Jermichael GBP TE Mon Apr 26 8:19:53 p.m. ET 20103.11 35. Rivers, Philip SDC QB Mon Apr 26 8:45:31 p.m. ET 2010
only VJax would get Considered IMO and I bet there would be less people that would take him over Rookie 1.01, all those other guys wouldn't go for 1.01 straight up IMO.
 
Yes, I would trade just about every single one of those players for him straight up.

EDIT: Not Beanie, and a maybe on DeAngelo and Brees. All the other guys I would. In fact, I just offered Sjax for him in my dynasty league and was rejected.

EDIT2: Granted my league settings favor running backs (start 2rb, 2wr, 1rb/wr) with the option to start as many as three, so take it for what it's worth.

 
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2.06 18. Player to be named later Mathews, Ryan SDC RB ® :blackdot:

Some people never cease to amaze me with their rookie valuations.
That was my pick. There's more involved with my strategy than a simple rookie valuation. At that point in the draft ,the fact that I had 8 picks in the 1st 5 rds, allowed me to swing for the fence and pick a player whom I think will outperform those after him. I was fairly sure with all the sharks in my league Mathews would not have been there at 37...and I wanted Mathews! I tend to draft based on my rankings and not from what the masses say. Works for me.Link in case you want to follow the rest of the draft.

http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2010/o...=79461&O=17

 
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I wish I were picking a little later in round 2 in a startup, I have pick 5 that round and think I'll be seriously considering taking Matthews. I'm going WR round 1 (probably Calvin) and based off what I'm seeing I'll be choosing between Matthews , J Stew, and a stud QB. If it were a start 3 WR league I may think differently, but with just 2 that eliminates taking a WR. Looking at what RB's are going to be there I find it hard to NOT take one of those two RB's.

 
There is some serious value at RB in the later rounds compared to WR; I took Sporles at 7.13 (return yards increase his value) and Hardesty at 10.02 compared to the WRs left.

 
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PPR1.01	1.	Extreme Kiwis	Johnson, Chris TEN RB	Tue Apr 27 7:54:34 p.m. PT 2010	Almost went Gartrell Johnson, but figured I'd go with the safer pick...1.02	2.	\o/	Peterson, Adrian MIN RB	Tue Apr 27 8:27:21 p.m. PT 20101.03	3.	Very Angry Emus	Rice, Ray BAL RB	Tue Apr 27 8:52:47 p.m. PT 20101.04	4.	NO PUNT INTENDED	Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB	Tue Apr 27 8:52:47 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List1.05	5.	PainKillers	Manning, Peyton IND QB	Tue Apr 27 9:09:56 p.m. PT 20101.06	6.	Horsemen	Johnson, Andre HOU WR	Tue Apr 27 10:00:43 p.m. PT 20101.07	7.	Horsemen	Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB	Tue Apr 27 10:25:52 p.m. PT 20101.08	8.	2 Minute Drillers	Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR	Tue Apr 27 11:06:39 p.m. PT 20101.09	9.	Dirty Sanchez Republic	Brees, Drew NOS QB	Wed Apr 28 12:32:02 p.m. PT 20101.10	10.	Niners	Turner, Michael ATL RB	Wed Apr 28 12:32:02 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List1.11	11.	Show Me Your TD's	Johnson, Calvin DET WR	Wed Apr 28 5:15:38 p.m. PT 2010	Rich texted me the pick...1.12	12.	Starheels	Gore, Frank SFO RB	Wed Apr 28 5:15:38 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List2.01	13.	Starheels	Jackson, Steven STL RB	Wed Apr 28 5:15:38 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List2.02	14.	2 Minute Drillers	Marshall, Brandon MIA WR	Wed Apr 28 5:59:05 p.m. PT 2010	I guess I will pick him2.03	15.	Niners	Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB	Wed Apr 28 10:34:53 p.m. PT 20102.04	16.	Dirty Sanchez Republic	Charles, Jamaal KCC RB	Thu Apr 29 12:45:50 p.m. PT 20102.05	17.	Extreme Kiwis	Austin, Miles DAL WR	Thu Apr 29 5:59:48 p.m. PT 2010	I think i just threw up in my mouth a little2.06	18.	Show Me Your TD's	White, Roddy ATL WR	Thu Apr 29 9:03:12 p.m. PT 20102.07	19.	PainKillers	Wayne, Reggie IND WR	Thu Apr 29 9:09:03 p.m. PT 20102.08	20.	PainKillers	Mathews, Ryan SDC RB ®	Thu Apr 29 9:32:27 p.m. PT 20102.09	21.	NO PUNT INTENDED	Jackson, Vincent SDC WR	Fri Apr 30 4:25:15 a.m. PT 20102.10	22.	Very Angry Emus	Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB	Fri Apr 30 5:14:49 a.m. PT 20102.11	23.	\o/	Jennings, Greg GBP WR	Fri Apr 30 12:23:04 p.m. PT 20102.12	24.	Battle Plan	Wells, Chris ARI RB	Fri Apr 30 12:23:04 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List3.01	25.	Battle Plan	Greene, Shonn NYJ RB	Fri Apr 30 12:23:04 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List3.02	26.	\o/	Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB	Fri Apr 30 12:34:45 p.m. PT 20103.03	27.	Very Angry Emus	Jackson, DeSean PHI WR	Fri Apr 30 4:23:49 p.m. PT 20103.04	28.	NO PUNT INTENDED	Moreno, Knowshon DEN RB	Fri Apr 30 4:23:49 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List3.05	29.	Battle Plan	Finley, Jermichael GBP TE	Fri Apr 30 4:23:49 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List3.06	30.	2 Minute Drillers	McCoy, LeSean PHI RB	Fri Apr 30 4:41:07 p.m. PT 20103.07	31.	Show Me Your TD's	Rice, Sidney MIN WR	Fri Apr 30 8:20:13 p.m. PT 2010	Wr, Wr, Wr ....LOL. It was the best value on the board IMO.3.08	32.	Starheels	Smith, Steve NYG WR	Fri Apr 30 8:46:26 p.m. PT 20103.09	33.	Dirty Sanchez Republic	Crabtree, Michael SFO WR	Fri Apr 30 8:57:48 p.m. PT 20103.10	34.	Niners	Rivers, Philip SDC QB	Fri Apr 30 10:06:03 p.m. PT 20103.11	35.	Horsemen	Best, Jahvid DET RB ®	Fri Apr 30 10:14:15 p.m. PT 20103.12	36.	Extreme Kiwis	Moss, Randy NEP WR	Fri Apr 30 10:23:20 p.m. PT 2010	Hurl4.01	37.	Starheels	Colston, Marques NOS WR	Fri Apr 30 10:23:20 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List4.02	38.	Show Me Your TD's	Grant, Ryan GBP RB	Fri Apr 30 10:50:10 p.m. PT 20104.03	39.	Niners	Smith, Steve CAR WR	Fri Apr 30 10:55:24 p.m. PT 20104.04	40.	Dirty Sanchez Republic	Jones, Felix DAL RB	Sat May 1 7:39:10 a.m. PT 20104.05	41.	Extreme Kiwis	Schaub, Matt HOU QB	Sat May 1 7:47:09 a.m. PT 20104.06	42.	Horsemen	Boldin, Anquan BAL WR	Sat May 1 7:57:53 a.m. PT 20104.07	43.	Battle Plan	Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR	Sat May 1 7:57:53 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List4.08	44.	Battle Plan	Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR	Sat May 1 7:57:53 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List4.09	45.	NO PUNT INTENDED	Bryant, Dez DAL WR ®	Sat May 1 8:14:59 a.m. PT 20104.10	46.	Very Angry Emus	Romo, Tony DAL QB	Sat May 1 8:48:26 a.m. PT 20104.11	47.	\o/	Thomas, Pierre NOS RB	Sat May 1 9:13:23 a.m. PT 20104.12	48.	Battle Plan	Forte, Matt CHI RB	Sat May 1 10:05:05 a.m. PT 20105.01	49.	2 Minute Drillers	Benson, Cedric CIN RB	Sat May 1 10:22:30 a.m. PT 20105.02	50.	\o/	Clark, Dallas IND TE	Sat May 1 3:24:17 p.m. PT 20105.03	51.	Very Angry Emus	Harvin, Percy MIN WR	Sat May 1 5:53:29 p.m. PT 20105.04	52.	NO PUNT INTENDED	Spiller, C.J. BUF RB ®	Sat May 1 5:53:29 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List5.05	53.	PainKillers	Davis, Vernon SFO TE	Sat May 1 6:34:00 p.m. PT 20105.06	54.	PainKillers	Brown, Ronnie MIA RB	Sat May 1 7:18:35 p.m. PT 20105.07	55.	Show Me Your TD's	Brady, Tom NEP QB	Sat May 1 8:00:56 p.m. PT 2010	Considering Manning went 1.5, I couldnt talk myself out of this pick. UGH! Value though.5.08	56.	Battle Plan	Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR	Sat May 1 8:02:19 p.m. PT 20105.09	57.	Dirty Sanchez Republic	Garcon, Pierre IND WR	Sun May 2 6:25:22 a.m. PT 20105.10	58.	Niners	Tate, Ben HOU RB ®	Sun May 2 9:04:02 a.m. PT 20105.11	59.	2 Minute Drillers	Sims-Walker, Mike JAC WR	Sun May 2 9:08:45 a.m. PT 20105.12	60.	Starheels	Witten, Jason DAL TE	Sun May 2 9:08:45 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List6.01	61.	Starheels	Kolb, Kevin PHI QB	Sun May 2 9:08:45 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List6.02	62.	Show Me Your TD's	Addai, Joseph IND RB	Sun May 2 9:30:29 a.m. PT 20106.03	63.	Niners	Gates, Antonio SDC TE	Sun May 2 9:48:42 a.m. PT 20106.04	64.	Dirty Sanchez Republic	Celek, Brent PHI TE	Sun May 2 10:05:49 a.m. PT 20106.05	65.	Extreme Kiwis	Bradshaw, Ahmad NYG RB	Sun May 2 10:05:49 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List6.06	66.	Horsemen	Ochocinco, Chad CIN WR	Sun May 2 10:17:43 a.m. PT 20106.07	67.	Extreme Kiwis	Daniels, Owen HOU TE	Sun May 2 10:55:12 a.m. PT 20106.08	68.	PainKillers	Jets, New York NYJ Def	Sun May 2 10:55:12 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List6.09	69.	NO PUNT INTENDED	Cutler, Jay CHI QB	Sun May 2 10:55:12 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List6.10	70.	Very Angry Emus	Britt, Kenny TEN WR	Sun May 2 11:43:50 a.m. PT 20106.11	71.	\o/	Flacco, Joe BAL QB	Sun May 2 12:04:06 p.m. PT 20106.12	72.	2 Minute Drillers	Ryan, Matt ATL QB	Sun May 2 12:32:45 p.m. PT 2010	I wanted Flaco, Ryan works7.01	73.	Battle Plan	Brown, Donald IND RB	Sun May 2 12:32:45 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List7.02	74.	\o/	Edelman, Julian NEP WR	Sun May 2 1:04:56 p.m. PT 20107.03	75.	Very Angry Emus	Miller, Zach OAK TE	Sun May 2 1:04:56 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List7.04	76.	NO PUNT INTENDED	Breaston, Steve ARI WR	Sun May 2 1:08:54 p.m. PT 20107.05	77.	PainKillers	Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR ®	Sun May 2 1:08:54 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List7.06	78.	2 Minute Drillers	Bush, Reggie NOS RB	Sun May 2 1:19:14 p.m. PT 20107.07	79.	Horsemen	Hardesty, Montario CLE RB ®	Sun May 2 1:51:23 p.m. PT 20107.08	80.	Starheels	Wallace, Mike PIT WR	Sun May 2 2:11:46 p.m. PT 20107.09	81.	Dirty Sanchez Republic	Holmes, Santonio NYJ WR	Sun May 2 2:56:17 p.m. PT 20107.10	82.	Niners	Meachem, Robert NOS WR	Sun May 2 10:18:26 p.m. PT 20107.11	83.	Show Me Your TD's	McFadden, Darren OAK RB	Sun May 2 10:25:38 p.m. PT 2010	Another ugh pick.7.12	84.	2 Minute Drillers	White, LenDale SEA RB	Sun May 2 10:31:09 p.m. PT 20108.01	85.	Extreme Kiwis	Bush, Michael OAK RB	Sun May 2 10:31:09 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List8.02	86.	Extreme Kiwis	Collie, Austin IND WR	Sun May 2 10:31:09 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List8.03	87.	Niners	Royal, Eddie DEN WR	Sun May 2 10:33:50 p.m. PT 20108.04	88.	Dirty Sanchez Republic	Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB	Mon May 3 6:37:58 a.m. PT 20108.05	89.	Extreme Kiwis	Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB	Mon May 3 5:35:34 p.m. PT 2010	I'll take The Rapists for $200 Alex...8.06	90.	Show Me Your TD's	Welker, Wes NEP WR	Mon May 3 6:09:59 p.m. PT 2010	Taking a big risk here, but he is still only 29. Not counting on his production this year. Hopefully he comes back to form...just as risky as a rookie I would take here.8.07	91.	Horsemen	Tate, Golden SEA WR ®	Mon May 3 6:33:31 p.m. PT 20108.08	92.	Battle Plan	Benn, Arrelious TBB WR ®	Mon May 3 6:36:23 p.m. PT 20108.09	93.	NO PUNT INTENDED	Aromashodu, Devin CHI WR	Mon May 3 6:36:23 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List8.10	94.	Very Angry Emus	Stafford, Matthew DET QB	Mon May 3 7:09:15 p.m. PT 20108.11	95.	\o/	Edwards, Braylon NYJ WR	Mon May 3 7:37:47 p.m. PT 2010	I hate you all.8.12	96.	Horsemen	Manning, Eli NYG QB	Mon May 3 7:59:29 p.m. PT 20109.01	97.	Battle Plan	Henne, Chad MIA QB	Mon May 3 8:03:37 p.m. PT 20109.02	98.	\o/	Houshmandzadeh, T.J. SEA WR	Mon May 3 8:03:37 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List9.03	99.	Very Angry Emus	Ward, Hines PIT WR	Mon May 3 9:29:26 p.m. PT 20109.04	100.	NO PUNT INTENDED	Jackson, Fred BUF RB	Mon May 3 9:29:26 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List9.05	101.	PainKillers	Hightower, Tim ARI RB	Mon May 3 9:29:26 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List9.06	102.	2 Minute Drillers	Winslow, Kellen TBB TE	Mon May 3 9:49:28 p.m. PT 20109.07	103.	Niners	Dwyer, Jonathan PIT RB ®	Mon May 3 10:39:40 p.m. PT 20109.08	104.	2 Minute Drillers	Moss, Santana WAS WR	Mon May 3 10:42:51 p.m. PT 20109.09	105.	Dirty Sanchez Republic	Driver, Donald GBP WR	Tue May 4 4:55:48 a.m. PT 20109.10	106.	Niners	Avery, Donnie STL WR	Tue May 4 8:59:03 a.m. PT 20109.11	107.	Show Me Your TD's	Slaton, Steve HOU RB	Tue May 4 12:21:55 p.m. PT 2010	UGH!9.12	108.	Starheels	Mason, Derrick BAL WR	Tue May 4 12:21:55 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List10.01	109.	Starheels	Maroney, Laurence NEP RB	Tue May 4 12:21:55 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List10.02	110.	Battle Plan	Williams, Mike TBB WR ®	Tue May 4 4:36:18 p.m. PT 2010	well I should have the future WR1 in tampa now10.03	111.	Niners	Sproles, Darren SDC RB	Tue May 4 5:10:35 p.m. PT 201010.04	112.	Dirty Sanchez Republic	Walter, Kevin HOU WR	Wed May 5 2:08:00 a.m. PT 201010.05	113.	Starheels	Harrison, Jerome CLE RB	Wed May 5 2:08:00 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List10.06	114.	Horsemen	Barber, Marion DAL RB	Wed May 5 7:18:26 a.m. PT 201010.07	115.	PainKillers	McCluster, Dexter KCC WR ®	Wed May 5 8:15:28 a.m. PT 201010.08	116.	PainKillers	Hester, Devin CHI WR	Wed May 5 8:15:48 a.m. PT 201010.09	117.	2 Minute Drillers	Gerhart, Toby MIN RB ®	Wed May 5 9:44:06 a.m. PT 2010	Crossing my fingers Farve doesnt come back and A.P. developes a serious black tar problem :)10.10	118.	Very Angry Emus	Lynch, Marshawn BUF RB	Wed May 5 4:46:37 p.m. PT 201010.11	119.	\o/	Thomas, Devin WAS WR	Wed May 5 4:46:37 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List10.12	120.	Battle Plan	Bryant, Antonio CIN WR	Wed May 5 4:46:37 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List11.01	121.	Extreme Kiwis	Massaquoi, Mohamed CLE WR	Wed May 5 7:18:34 p.m. PT 201011.02	122.	\o/	Choice, Tashard DAL RB	Wed May 5 8:04:40 p.m. PT 2010	Homer pick.11.03	123.	Very Angry Emus	Sanchez, Mark NYJ QB	Wed May 5 9:21:02 p.m. PT 201011.04	124.	NO PUNT INTENDED	Cotchery, Jerricho NYJ WR	Thu May 6 5:35:20 a.m. PT 201011.05	125.	PainKillers	Williams, Ricky MIA RB	Thu May 6 7:03:30 a.m. PT 201011.06	126.	Horsemen	Williams, Carnell TBB RB	Thu May 6 7:47:32 a.m. PT 201011.07	127.	Show Me Your TD's	Palmer, Carson CIN QB	Thu May 6 9:11:38 a.m. PT 201011.08	128.	Starheels	Jones, James GBP WR	Thu May 6 9:11:38 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List11.09	129.	Dirty Sanchez Republic	Forsett, Justin SEA RB	Thu May 6 2:27:34 p.m. PT 201011.10	130.	Niners	Bradford, Sam STL QB ®	Thu May 6 2:27:34 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List11.11	131.	Battle Plan	Knox, Johnny CHI WR	Thu May 6 2:35:19 p.m. PT 2010	can't believe this guy is still here, upside through the roof11.12	132.	Extreme Kiwis	Ringer, Javon TEN RB	Thu May 6 6:08:04 p.m. PT 2010	Welp.12.01	133.	Starheels	Miller, Heath PIT TE	Thu May 6 6:08:04 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List12.02	134.	2 Minute Drillers	Evans, Lee BUF WR	Thu May 6 6:50:50 p.m. PT 201012.03	135.	Niners	Packers, Green Bay GBP Def	Thu May 6 9:05:48 p.m. PT 201012.04	136.	Dirty Sanchez Republic	McNabb, Donovan WAS QB	Fri May 7 12:52:00 p.m. PT 201012.05	137.	Extreme Kiwis	Gonzalez, Tony ATL TE	Fri May 7 12:52:00 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List12.06	138.	Show Me Your TD's	Gonzalez, Anthony IND WR	Fri May 7 6:38:20 p.m. PT 201012.07	139.	2 Minute Drillers	Young, Vince TEN QB	Sat May 8 7:51:56 a.m. PT 201012.08	140.	PainKillers	Favre, Brett MIN QB	Sat May 8 7:51:56 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List12.09	141.	NO PUNT INTENDED	McGahee, Willis BAL RB	Sat May 8 7:51:56 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List12.10	142.	Very Angry Emus	Washington, Leon SEA RB	Sat May 8 8:37:16 a.m. PT 201012.11	143.	\o/	Bess, Davone MIA WR	Sat May 8 8:37:16 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List12.12	144.	Battle Plan	Freeman, Josh TBB QB	Sat May 8 8:37:16 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List13.01	145.	2 Minute Drillers	Vikings, Minnesota MIN Def	Sat May 8 9:30:55 a.m. PT 201013.02	146.	\o/	Clausen, Jimmy CAR QB (R)	Sat May 8 10:56:47 a.m. PT 201013.03	147.	Very Angry Emus	Smith, Kevin DET RB	Sat May 8 11:25:52 a.m. PT 201013.04	148.	NO PUNT INTENDED	Taylor, Chester CHI RB	Sat May 8 11:25:52 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List13.05	149.	PainKillers	Gilyard, Mardy STL WR (R)	Sat May 8 11:25:52 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List13.06	150.	Extreme Kiwis	Schilens, Chaz OAK WR	Sat May 8 11:25:52 a.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List13.07	151.	Show Me Your TD's	Starks, James GBP RB (R)	Sat May 8 11:34:15 a.m. PT 2010	As a Ryan Grant owner, and the young rb thieves in this draft...I better REACH for this pick now.13.08	152.	Horsemen	Portis, Clinton WAS RB	Sat May 8 11:47:49 a.m. PT 201013.09	153.	Dirty Sanchez Republic	Doucet, Early ARI WR	Sat May 8 12:00:59 p.m. PT 201013.10	154.	Niners	Bell, Mike PHI RB	Sat May 8 12:00:59 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List13.11	155.	Battle Plan	Morgan, Josh SFO WR	Sat May 8 12:00:59 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List13.12	156.	Starheels	Leinart, Matt ARI QB	Sat May 8 12:00:59 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List14.01	157.	Starheels	Tebow, Tim DEN QB (R)	Sat May 8 12:00:59 p.m. PT 2010	Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
14.02 158. Horsemen Carlson, John SEA TE Sat May 8 12:12:18 p.m. PT 2010
 
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2.06 18. Player to be named later Mathews, Ryan SDC RB ® :goodposting:

Some people never cease to amaze me with their rookie valuations.
If guys like Felix, Greene, McCoy, and Wells can be slam dunk 2nd-3rd round picks then I don't have any problem with Mathews going in the same range. There are only a handful of elite players in the NFL. Once those guys are gone, you either draft a mediocre veteran or roll the dice on a prospect with upside. I don't think Mathews is a huge reach that high, though I'd like him a lot more in the 3rd round.
 
Mathews is going in the 2nd round of redraft leagues so why is it such a shock he would go in the 2nd round of a dynasty start up ?

I seen him go at 1.11 in a $1250 start up, and 2.03 in a $750 start up.

 

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