Post round 1 draft, stock up/down (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

Watkins - down a bit cause the Bills suck as an organization, but not down all that much. I disagree with those saying there's too many mouths to feed there though, Watkins is a big step up in talent from anything else they have.

Ebron - Big up. Detroit's pass happy offense is a great spot.

Cooks - Big up. Playing on turf in that offense is pretty much as good a destination as you could have hoped for.

Benjamin - Big up. They have as close to nothing at the position as you can get. He's a good bet for 8+ TDs for the next number of years imo.

Odell Beckham - stock unchanged. Nice to be drafted so high, but Eli is pretty terrible these days.

Mike Evans - stock unchanged. Reasonably good destination.

pretty good list, but I disagree with Ebron's big Ups... did Detroit cut Pettigrew last night? I see this being the same as Eifert, Pettigrew and Ebron are going to cancel each other out while together. Plus theres Calvin, Tate & Reggie to feed, lots of mouths. If any Stafford owners in ur leagues are fed up go get him now!!

Little disappointed but rather see Watkins' in Buff than Oak, still WR1 but could see why people will jump Evans over him.

Benjamin - slight bump, your either a believer or not.

Teddy and Johnny will be 1st QBs taken and I see their value as being all over the place.

Lee should be one of the 1st players taken tonight but he's no longer top 4 rookie pick.

NYG better get a OT tonight or its going to be ugly.

 

[BigTex]

I was considering Erbon at the #2 or #5 pick.............not so much anymore. I ready to see where Jace will end up. I've always been just as high on him as I have been on Erbon.

Can't wait for the run on RBs and WRs...................

 

[Shutout]

DeMarco Murray up....further invested in the Oline. They are going to be nasty up front.

Murray set the all-time Oklahoma rush-TD record but the Boys had such a soft interior to their offensive line the first year or two he was there.

Then last year they got Fredrich and now they plan to play Zack inside to form a solid interior.

They have Smith at LT so it looks like a really good match for DeMarco.

I anticipate more rushing TDs down near the goal line that in the past Garrett would automatically go pass.

Oh and their should be more grind-it-out/clock-killing garbage-time rushing yards to close games.

Given the tendencies of their new OC, I think overall success in the running game should help the Wrs/TEs in the redzone for short TD catches also.

My God, does Dez Bryant need anything else put on his plate to set him up for an epic season?

 

[Shutout]

Watkins - down a bit cause the Bills suck as an organization, but not down all that much. I disagree with those saying there's too many mouths to feed there though, Watkins is a big step up in talent from anything else they have.

Ebron - Big up. Detroit's pass happy offense is a great spot.

Cooks - Big up. Playing on turf in that offense is pretty much as good a destination as you could have hoped for.

Benjamin - Big up. They have as close to nothing at the position as you can get. He's a good bet for 8+ TDs for the next number of years imo.

Odell Beckham - stock unchanged. Nice to be drafted so high, but Eli is pretty terrible these days.

Mike Evans - stock unchanged. Reasonably good destination.

pretty good list, but I disagree with Ebron's big Ups... did Detroit cut Pettigrew last night? I see this being the same as Eifert, Pettigrew and Ebron are going to cancel each other out while together. Plus theres Calvin, Tate & Reggie to feed, lots of mouths. If any Stafford owners in ur leagues are fed up go get him now!!

Little disappointed but rather see Watkins' in Buff than Oak, still WR1 but could see why people will jump Evans over him.

Benjamin - slight bump, your either a believer or not.

Teddy and Johnny will be 1st QBs taken and I see their value as being all over the place.

Lee should be one of the 1st players taken tonight but he's no longer top 4 rookie pick.

NYG better get a OT tonight or its going to be ugly.

I disagree on the get Stafford angle. Due to his gaudy fantasy numbers, the price has been cheap since people stole him about three years ago and he exploded. Since then, the price has been high and the guy has thrown his arm off. You could add Dez and Graham to that team and the return here is marginal. The team only has a finite number of possible attempts to throw the ball (which they seem to use as much as possible). But at the end of the day, adding more pass catchers doesn't equate into lots more throws when you are already throwing a ton.

To me, the increase, if any noticeable in pass attempts by Stafford, will not compare to the hit on Calvin. Yeah, fire away. I said it and I'm not happy about it cause I own Calvin here and there but all these new options mean to me is that my late 20's WR is being set up to be peeled back on the spoon feeding he has enjoyed for the past 2-3 years. Now, before someone burns my house down, that may not be a bad thing because Calvin is the type of guy that can catch 3 balls for 100 yards or 11 for 102 the way they use him. Its not a big deal except in heavy ppr (which is where I own him).

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think Calvin's catches will be down but his TD's will be up.

Pettegrew isn't a threat to anything.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I think Calvin's catches will be down but his TD's will be up.

Pettegrew isn't a threat to anything.

same thingn was said about gresham last yr

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Reuben Randle down

good point..never saw Randle as anything but just another guy..he isn't/wasn't going to be a great WR for the Giants anyways..too many mental errors, dropped passes, poor routes, etc..I"m not sure Buffalo was the ideal landing spot for Watkins, I think he takes a bit of a hit here, especially since he'll be locked down by Revis 2x/yr, and the Jets secondary..tough sledding in the AFC East..

for IDP leagues, JJ Watt gets a BIG lift.

Doug Martin - can't stack the line with Evans AND VJ burning up the field.

Revis is with the Bucs.

Not really.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I think Calvin's catches will be down but his TD's will be up.

Pettegrew isn't a threat to anything.

They have that huge 6'8 TE who dances when he scores and he scores a-lot down near the goal line. Forget his name.

Not sure how Ebron and that tall-TE fit near the goal unless they run two/three tights otherwise I'd love Ebron but that tall TE muddles it for me.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Reuben Randle down

good point..never saw Randle as anything but just another guy..he isn't/wasn't going to be a great WR for the Giants anyways..too many mental errors, dropped passes, poor routes, etc..I"m not sure Buffalo was the ideal landing spot for Watkins, I think he takes a bit of a hit here, especially since he'll be locked down by Revis 2x/yr, and the Jets secondary..tough sledding in the AFC East..

for IDP leagues, JJ Watt gets a BIG lift.

Doug Martin - can't stack the line with Evans AND VJ burning up the field.

Revis is with the Bucs.

Might want to check your references.

Did he go back to the Jets? That would be weird.

keep trying.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think Calvin's catches will be down but his TD's will be up.

Pettegrew isn't a threat to anything.

same thingn was said about gresham last yr

Okay. Pettigrew isn't a threat to anything...long term.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think Calvin's catches will be down but his TD's will be up.

Pettegrew isn't a threat to anything.

They have that huge 6'8 TE who dances when he scores and he scores a-lot down near the goal line. Forget his name.

Not sure how Ebron and that tall-TE fit near the goal unless they run two/three tights otherwise I'd love Ebron but that tall TE muddles it for me.

Fauria? I think he's why they took Ebron. The thinking was probably something like "We're getting THAT much out of THAT guy? Think of what we could do with someone with talent!"

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think Calvin's catches will be down but his TD's will be up.

Pettegrew isn't a threat to anything.

They have that huge 6'8 TE who dances when he scores and he scores a-lot down near the goal line. Forget his name.

Not sure how Ebron and that tall-TE fit near the goal unless they run two/three tights otherwise I'd love Ebron but that tall TE muddles it for me.

Joseph Fauria

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I think Calvin's catches will be down but his TD's will be up.

Pettegrew isn't a threat to anything.

same thingn was said about gresham last yr

Okay. Pettigrew isn't a threat to anything...long term.

Yeah, not sure why Eifert's rookie stats would have anything whatsoever to do with Ebron's long term value. Or even Eifert's for that matter. It's very rare for a rookie TE to tear up the league right out of the gate -- even the HOF guys like Gonzo and Gates took some time.

 

[FUBAR]

I was considering Erbon at the #2 or #5 pick.............not so much anymore. I ready to see where Jace will end up. I've always been just as high on him as I have been on Erbon.

Can't wait for the run on RBs and WRs...................

agreed.

Ebron is my #8 guy if we had to draft today. Good chance he stays there even if Lee and others land in good spots.

 

[travdogg]

Randle seems to be getting mentioned a lot, but not Cruz for some reason. I think Beckham hurts Cruz every bit as much as Randle. Beckham is going to be the Giants #1 WR by 2015.

Cecil Shorts seems like a stock up guy, especially if reports about Blackmon being out for 2014 are true.

Spiller stock up, as Watkins should bring defenders further off the line of scrimmage.

Stock down, how about Reggie bush? Seems like he's gone from the #1 option in the running game and #2 in the passing game, to 2 in the rush, and 4 in the pass.

 

[FUBAR]

I think Calvin's catches will be down but his TD's will be up.

Pettegrew isn't a threat to anything.

They have that huge 6'8 TE who dances when he scores and he scores a-lot down near the goal line. Forget his name.

Not sure how Ebron and that tall-TE fit near the goal unless they run two/three tights otherwise I'd love Ebron but that tall TE muddles it for me.

Lions offensive game plan:

send Calvin, Tate, Fauria and Ebron to the end zone.

Have Stafford step back, launch the ball to their areas and hope they come down with it.

In the event the defenses have 3 guys on Calvin, and can still cover Ebron, Tate and Fauria, screen pass to Bush.

Profit.

 

[Hankmoody]

Reuben Randle down

Yea, I agree with this. I'm a Randle fan and I can actually see this working with Beckham as a slot/outside joker, but with all of those mouths to feed it is a lot harder to be optimistic about his chances of producing meaningful stats.

Still a buy. Just the price is reasonable now. Any Jernigan hype goes out the window.

Yep. As long as there's not TE to demand targets this can still be a 3 WR show with Randle/Cruz 1's and Beckham 1A. Cruz is better in the slot, and so might Beckham be, so Randle takes the undisputed X with the other guys moving around Z and slot roles.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Watkins - down a bit cause the Bills suck as an organization, but not down all that much. I disagree with those saying there's too many mouths to feed there though, Watkins is a big step up in talent from anything else they have.

Ebron - Big up. Detroit's pass happy offense is a great spot.

Cooks - Big up. Playing on turf in that offense is pretty much as good a destination as you could have hoped for.

Benjamin - Big up. They have as close to nothing at the position as you can get. He's a good bet for 8+ TDs for the next number of years imo.

Odell Beckham - stock unchanged. Nice to be drafted so high, but Eli is pretty terrible these days.

Mike Evans - stock unchanged. Reasonably good destination.

pretty good list, but I disagree with Ebron's big Ups... did Detroit cut Pettigrew last night? I see this being the same as Eifert, Pettigrew and Ebron are going to cancel each other out while together. Plus theres Calvin, Tate & Reggie to feed, lots of mouths. If any Stafford owners in ur leagues are fed up go get him now!!

Pettigrew's targets have gone from 126 three years ago to 64 last year. He's no longer considered a pivot point in the offense and Ebron's production will have nothing to do with Pettigrew. Ebron is going to be in the slot a lot whether Pettigrew or Fauria are on the field or not.

 

[domvin]

Up

Sefarian Jenkins. It's coming boys....

 

[One More Rep]

Tavon Austin and Kenny Britt stock up

You mean Stedman Bailey.

You can definitely add him

 

[Faust]

NFL draft day 1 winners and losers: Sam Bradford still the man in St. Louis

 

[silentmark]

As some have said, still many WR's to dodge, but Mike Evans not ending up in Detroit is a relief for us Golden Tate owners.

^THIS.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Reuben Randle down

Yea, I agree with this. I'm a Randle fan and I can actually see this working with Beckham as a slot/outside joker, but with all of those mouths to feed it is a lot harder to be optimistic about his chances of producing meaningful stats.

Still a buy. Just the price is reasonable now. Any Jernigan hype goes out the window.

Yep. As long as there's not TE to demand targets this can still be a 3 WR show with Randle/Cruz 1's and Beckham 1A. Cruz is better in the slot, and so might Beckham be, so Randle takes the undisputed X with the other guys moving around Z and slot roles.

Agree. The WCO the NYG are going with this year will use 3 WR sets almost exclusively. No TE and/or pass catching RB as a safety valve. I see Cruz, Randle, Beckham getting targets enough to produce.

Assuming the line can keep Eli upright. And that Eli can get back on track.

 

[Donnybrook]

One of the players that I was trying to acquire this off-season was Joeseph Fauria. Now I am kinda glad I failed.

 

[cstu]

Gregg Olsen a little up.

He's still the best receiver but Kelvin will keep defenses from focusing solely on him.

I like it for Olsen - not a fan of Kelvin but he's a big target who will draw coverage and open things up for Olsen, who looks like he's in for a career year.

 

[cstu]

Stock down - WR's playing the Browns.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Watkins - down a bit cause the Bills suck as an organization, but not down all that much. I disagree with those saying there's too many mouths to feed there though, Watkins is a big step up in talent from anything else they have.

Ebron - Big up. Detroit's pass happy offense is a great spot.

Cooks - Big up. Playing on turf in that offense is pretty much as good a destination as you could have hoped for.

Benjamin - Big up. They have as close to nothing at the position as you can get. He's a good bet for 8+ TDs for the next number of years imo.

Odell Beckham - stock unchanged. Nice to be drafted so high, but Eli is pretty terrible these days.

Mike Evans - stock unchanged. Reasonably good destination.

pretty good list, but I disagree with Ebron's big Ups... did Detroit cut Pettigrew last night? I see this being the same as Eifert, Pettigrew and Ebron are going to cancel each other out while together. Plus theres Calvin, Tate & Reggie to feed, lots of mouths. If any Stafford owners in ur leagues are fed up go get him now!!

Pettigrew's targets have gone from 126 three years ago to 64 last year. He's no longer considered a pivot point in the offense and Ebron's production will have nothing to do with Pettigrew. Ebron is going to be in the slot a lot whether Pettigrew or Fauria are on the field or not.

Plus Pettigrew can't catch the freaking ball.

 

[jurb26]

If they still make these guys do push ups for drops, Pettigrew must be like, the strongest man in the world.

 

[gchip]

Do people see Cooks as possibly the 3rd WR taken in rookie drafts?

 

[saintfool]

Stock down, how about Reggie bush? Seems like he's gone from the #1 option in the running game and #2 in the passing game, to 2 in the rush, and 4 in the pass.

i don't know that i would go that far. he's certainly splitting time at RB but there is no reason to believe he's going to fall that far down the pecking order in the passing game. At least this year. Ebron can gobble up Durham's production, for sure, but Reggie is still the primary ball-catching threat in the backfield. He's never been much of a redzone threat but i think he'll product okay numbers for this year. he's a sell in dynasty, obviously.

 

[IHEARTFF]

AFC West QBs & WRs - DOWN

Raiders - Mack, OLB

Chiefs - Ford, OLB

Chargers - Verrett, CB

Broncos - Roby, CB

 

[jurb26]

AFC West QBs & WRs - DOWN

Raiders - Mack, OLB

Chiefs - Ford, OLB

Chargers - Verrett, CB

Broncos - Roby, CB

AFC North trumps this easily. Clev - Gilbert

Balt - Mosely

Pitt - Shazier

Cinci - Dennard

 

[IHEARTFF]

AFC West QBs & WRs - DOWN

Raiders - Mack, OLB

Chiefs - Ford, OLB

Chargers - Verrett, CB

Broncos - Roby, CB

AFC North trumps this easily.Clev - Gilbert

Balt - Mosely

Pitt - Shazier

Cinci - Dennard

Maybe so, but Mosley and Shazier are more suited to stopping the run than rushing the QB. Verrett > Dennard imo.

 

[jonboltz]

I think Calvin's catches will be down but his TD's will be up.

Pettegrew isn't a threat to anything.

same thingn was said about gresham last yr

Gresham is three times the player of Pettigrew.

 

[cstu]

AFC West QBs & WRs - DOWN

Raiders - Mack, OLB

Chiefs - Ford, OLB

Chargers - Verrett, CB

Broncos - Roby, CB

AFC North trumps this easily.Clev - Gilbert

Balt - Mosely

Pitt - Shazier

Cinci - Dennard

NFC West:

STL - Donald

SF - Ward

AZ - Bucannon

SEA - ??? at #40

 

[jurb26]

AFC West QBs & WRs - DOWN

Raiders - Mack, OLB

Chiefs - Ford, OLB

Chargers - Verrett, CB

Broncos - Roby, CB

AFC North trumps this easily.Clev - Gilbert

Balt - Mosely

Pitt - Shazier

Cinci - Dennard

Maybe so, but Mosley and Shazier are more suited to stopping the run than rushing the QB. Verrett > Dennard imo.

I think Verrett is a slot CB, not an outside guy.

 

[msudaisy26]

Can we quit bringing up Gresham? He had nothing to do with Eifert's lack of production in his rookie year. Rookie tight ends don't produce, like ever.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Can we quit bringing up Gresham? He had nothing to do with Eifert's lack of production in his rookie year. Rookie tight ends don't produce, like ever.

Ditka was a beast his rookie year.

 

[Banger]

Not that he has much room to go but I think Manziel will help Gordon a good bit.

 

[ratbast]

Hou QB Keenum/Fitspatrick

 

[FUBAR]

AFC West QBs & WRs - DOWN

Raiders - Mack, OLB

Chiefs - Ford, OLB

Chargers - Verrett, CB

Broncos - Roby, CB

wouldn't worry about Ford in 2014.

although, if he can keep Hali fresh, that might be a problem.

 

[Borden]

I might have just missed someone's post but...

Rudolph - Up

Let's not forget that Norv is there now and likes his TEs too.

 

[Shutout]

Reuben Randle down

Yea, I agree with this. I'm a Randle fan and I can actually see this working with Beckham as a slot/outside joker, but with all of those mouths to feed it is a lot harder to be optimistic about his chances of producing meaningful stats.

Still a buy. Just the price is reasonable now. Any Jernigan hype goes out the window.

Yep. As long as there's not TE to demand targets this can still be a 3 WR show with Randle/Cruz 1's and Beckham 1A. Cruz is better in the slot, and so might Beckham be, so Randle takes the undisputed X with the other guys moving around Z and slot roles.

Agree. The WCO the NYG are going with this year will use 3 WR sets almost exclusively. No TE and/or pass catching RB as a safety valve. I see Cruz, Randle, Beckham getting targets enough to produce.

Assuming the line can keep Eli upright. And that Eli can get back on track.

Isn't it more like :"They will use 3wr as a BASE?" In Green Bay, when they had Jennings, Nelson, Jones, and Cobb, weren't those 4 on the field a lot together? Seems like none of them had the scraps. I think you're right about the RB/TE.

 

[jmo87usc]

Can we quit bringing up Gresham? He had nothing to do with Eifert's lack of production in his rookie year. Rookie tight ends don't produce, like ever.

Just curious if you think Eifert's stats would have gone unchanged if Gresham had been injured all year? I think they would have increased and Eifert's numbers will continue to be held back until Gresham is gone. Gresham was also a first round pick three years prior to Eifert. We aren't talking about some scrub here.

 

[Black]

DeMarco Murray up....further invested in the Oline. They are going to be nasty up front.

Dallas has to get another RB late, right? Most likley after they add some DEF.

But it was unexpected for Dallas to go conservative and continue to build that line. It shows some restraint on Jerruh's part. Maybe Will McClay has had a part in that.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Can we quit bringing up Gresham? He had nothing to do with Eifert's lack of production in his rookie year. Rookie tight ends don't produce, like ever.

Just curious if you think Eifert's stats would have gone unchanged if Gresham had been injured all year? I think they would have increased and Eifert's numbers will continue to be held back until Gresham is gone. Gresham was also a first round pick three years prior to Eifert. We aren't talking about some scrub here.

The initial point was referencing Pettigrew and/or Fauria holding back Ebron long term. So yes, relatively speaking we pretty much are talking about some scrub(s) here. Although I agree that Greaham is a bit under rated as an NFL player.

 

[jmo87usc]

Can we quit bringing up Gresham? He had nothing to do with Eifert's lack of production in his rookie year. Rookie tight ends don't produce, like ever.

Just curious if you think Eifert's stats would have gone unchanged if Gresham had been injured all year? I think they would have increased and Eifert's numbers will continue to be held back until Gresham is gone. Gresham was also a first round pick three years prior to Eifert. We aren't talking about some scrub here.

The initial point was referencing Pettigrew and/or Fauria holding back Ebron long term. So yes, relatively speaking we pretty much are talking about some scrub(s) here. Although I agree that Greaham is a bit under rated as an NFL player.

I can agree with that. But there is a level of comfort a QB has with his veterans starters, no matter what their pedigree is, so I can see how even guys like Pettigrew and Fauria can hold Ebron's value back this year. Even more so with a talent like Gresham in Cincy. They do hinder the production of the rookie TE by knowing the offense well and having that relationship with the QB.

Now if a team like the Giants draft a TE like Jace Amaro tonight, I would assume that he is the number one TE from day one. The only thing in his way at this point is Adrien Robinson who really has no advantage over a rookie in terms of having the playbook mastered or having synergy with the QB.

 

[jurb26]

Can we quit bringing up Gresham? He had nothing to do with Eifert's lack of production in his rookie year. Rookie tight ends don't produce, like ever.

We had a rookie TEs produce outstanding numbers last year. Some others produced pretty darn good. Standard PPG totals;

Reed TE11

T. Wright TE22

Ertz TE29

It's not nearly as uncommon as people are making it out to be. Not any more. It used to be rare but the game has changed and TEs are able to have an impact more quickly now.

 

[cstu]

As a Marlon Brown owner unsure of what the Ravens think of him, it was nice to see them not go WR in the 1st. As long as they don't take a WR in the 2nd it tells me they think he can be the #2.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

As a Marlon Brown owner unsure of what the Ravens think of him, it was nice to see them not go WR in the 1st. As long as they don't take a WR in the 2nd it tells me they think he can be the #2.

Did't they sign Steve Smith? He's not the same player anymore, but I'm guessing that he'll be above Brown in the pecking order. Plus they signed Owen Daniels because they wanted to run more two TE sets,