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Ministry of Pain said:
Sho it's very relevant, thanks for the shoutout. 

My point is simply passing laws and making things illegal won't solve much when the number of guns already in circulation is well into the tens of millions in this country. And by that what I mean Sho is the THIRST/DEMAND is out of control and nothing you and I post here is going to change that. I can appreciate your passion for feeling these weapons in the hands of idiots leads to major problems/tragedies, you'll get no argument from me and many others. Where we can't seem to find common ground is so many folks like you refuse to acknowledge the real issue, PEOPLE!!! It's hard to verbalize your true hatred which is really the folks who want them to start with. You will distance yourself by saying you have nothing against those folks but in reality you do...you want to take their guns or some of them. 

I thought John Oliver nailed it this week on the NRA and while he is opposed to them you can tell he understands there is ZERO chance of going against them even though the NRA isn't that large of a group technically. 

It happens with Trump threads Sho where you(lots of others) fail to realize or acknowledge that millions are in favor of something you are adamantly against, your right to speak out/post but you seem to never acknowledge the other side so in some ways it's like discussing a topic with someone who has their head buried in the sand. 

It's very relevant to this discussion and others I'm sure will agree so let's not just dismiss folks. 
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True, simply passing laws won't solve much.  It takes actual enforcement and good data to really make that impact and taking things completely out of circulation is next to impossible.

I recognize the issue is not just one thing or another.  But has multiple facets and ignoring one completely is not the right answer either.  

Whose guns do I want to take?  I want to ensure they don't end up in the wrong hands (as much as we possibly can...we can't prevent every nut from obtaining a gun, but we should try).

Im not sure who I am really dismissing by what I posted here though...so much of this reads rather strange to me.

 
sho nuff said:
True, simply passing laws won't solve much.  It takes actual enforcement and good data to really make that impact and taking things completely out of circulation is next to impossible.

I recognize the issue is not just one thing or another.  But has multiple facets and ignoring one completely is not the right answer either.  

Whose guns do I want to take?  I want to ensure they don't end up in the wrong hands (as much as we possibly can...we can't prevent every nut from obtaining a gun, but we should try).

Im not sure who I am really dismissing by what I posted here though...so much of this reads rather strange to me.
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I am 100% for thorough background checks, maybe there needs to be a 1 week cool off period between purchase and taking ownership. I don't truly know the laws on gun ownership so it's not fair for me to make blanket statements when some of the background checks so many of us are angry over, may in fact be set up to weed out millions of folks already.

 
Apparently according to Andy Dufresne and The Commish, unless you accept their premise that NO restriction or background check will have ANY effect on gun crimes, you're not engaged in a rational conversation. IMO, they are the ones not being rational here. 

 
timschochet said:
Apparently according to Andy Dufresne and The Commish, unless you accept their premise that NO restriction or background check will have ANY effect on gun crimes, you're not engaged in a rational conversation. IMO, they are the ones not being rational here. 
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Where did I say that?  

 
Andy Dufresne said:
BTW - I suspect that this isn't the "real" timschochet. He was never this indignant and petulant.
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It's me.  :P  And I'm not indignant nor petulant. But I also don't understand your position on gun control. Perhaps this is not the right thread for it. But if 40% of all sales are private sales without background checks, how can you not think that having background checks wouldn't reduce at least some gun crime? I honestly don't get it. I don't want to take away your gun rights, or any good person's gun rights. I just want to make it as difficult as possible for the bad guys to get them. Why is this so difficult to put into law? Why do you fight it so strongly? 

 
timschochet said:
It's me.  :P  And I'm not indignant nor petulant. But I also don't understand your position on gun control. Perhaps this is not the right thread for it. But if 40% of all sales are private sales without background checks, how can you not think that having background checks wouldn't reduce at least some gun crime? I honestly don't get it. I don't want to take away your gun rights, or any good person's gun rights. I just want to make it as difficult as possible for the bad guys to get them. Why is this so difficult to put into law? Why do you fight it so strongly? 
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Because you assume levels of crime committed by those 40% of sales that are simply untrue.

I can't agree with you when you initiate your argument from a false assumption.

 
Tom Servo said:
"Home invasions" don't take place in my part of PA. Coincidentally, most every one hunts.  I wonder if there's a coincidence... :coffee:
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I wasn't making any point other than owning rifles is not the same as packing heat. Thought it was a dumb statement that most folks in WI and MI are "packing heat".

 
lardonastick said:
I wasn't making any point other than owning rifles is not the same as packing heat. Thought it was a dumb statement that most folks in WI and MI are "packing heat".
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No problem.  :thumbup: I just wanted to make my point and used your post as a launching point.

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
Because you assume levels of crime committed by those 40% of sales that are simply untrue.

I can't agree with you when you initiate your argument from a false assumption.
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Please do not adopt uncritically the 40% figure. It was based on a flawed study, severely out of date, which did not distinguish between private sales at gun shows and public sales at gun shows.  The fact, unappreciated by the study's author, is that Federally licensed vendors dominate the tables at these shows.   Oh, and the study, one even apparently unreliable to Joe Biden who has his doubts about the figures even as he needs them for rhetorical purposes did not find a 40% figure, it found 35.7% which, hey, why not round up.

Tim touts this figure so often that others start taking it for gospel.  It is not.  far from it.  Tim knows this but the ends, getting what he feels is right, justifies the means of deliberate perfidy. 

 
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Ditkaless Wonders said:
Please do not adopt uncritically the 40% figure. It was based on a flawed study, severely out of date, which did not distinguish between private sales at gun shows and public sales at gun shows.  The fact, unappreciated by the study's author, is that Federally licensed vendors dominate the tables at these shows.   Oh, and the study, one even apparently unreliable to Joe Biden who has his doubts about the figures even as he needs them for rhetorical purposes did not find a 40% figure, it found 35.7% which, hey, why not round up.

Tim touts this figure so often that others start taking it for gospel.  It is not.  far from it.  Tim knows this but the ends, getting what he feels is right, justifies the means of deliberate perfidy. 
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You have such great words.

 
timschochet said:
Apparently according to Andy Dufresne and The Commish, unless you accept their premise that NO restriction or background check will have ANY effect on gun crimes, you're not engaged in a rational conversation. IMO, they are the ones not being rational here. 
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:lmao:

 
Officials have not released the attacker’s identity or detailed his possible motive, but German security agents said the attack was not likely tied to terrorism. Hochstaedter said investigators haven't found any evidence the gunman had an "Islamist background." 
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