nysportsfan
Footballguy
It could be this simple, but I think there will be a couple big plays (turnovers, STs, etc.) that decide the game. If Brad Smith can get loose in the backfield or in the return game, he could prove huge.Jetdoc said:
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***Pre-Game Thread*** New York Jets at Indianapolis (1 Viewer)
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PatsFanCT
Footballguy
I have no idea why the Jets can't find a way to get Brad Smith on the field every snap. Easily the best weapon on their team. He's a bench warming difference maker.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
The problem is where do you fit him in? I think they've been doing a good job, but it's hard to put him in and not sacrifice at another position. With Braylon and Holmes at WR, and LT/Greene at RB, where does he fit? Most of his action has come under center in the "Seminole" (are they still calling it that with Leon gone?) at the expense of Sanchez. As an aside, I think Smith's thrown the ball once that I can remember, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him do that Tebow-like jump pass thing for a decent gain, or run wide and then throw.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
4.1 YPC is right at the league average, so my definition of a great game must be different from those of Jets fans.
The_Man
Footballguy
Chance the game might be blacked out in Indy?
As of last night, there were 3,500 tickets had to sell by 8 p.m. tonight, or else get an extension to the 72-hour blackout window.
My guess is that some local TV station or corporation will swoop in and buy whatever tickets are needed to avoid the blackout, but it's kind of embarrassing for Indy. Reminds me of the Braves in baseball - fans are so spoiled that it's not worth their while to go to a playoff game since the team looks like it might struggle to go far in the post-season.
As of last night, there were 3,500 tickets had to sell by 8 p.m. tonight, or else get an extension to the 72-hour blackout window.
My guess is that some local TV station or corporation will swoop in and buy whatever tickets are needed to avoid the blackout, but it's kind of embarrassing for Indy. Reminds me of the Braves in baseball - fans are so spoiled that it's not worth their while to go to a playoff game since the team looks like it might struggle to go far in the post-season.
Andrew Garda
Moderator
It was a good start. He tends to get better as he wears a defense down but who knows what might have been had he not been injured.So I'd mark him as INCOMPLETE for the day.
Reaper
Footballguy
Also.... I think people are taking his effort out of context.... I think some people look at stats and fantasy and say "That's a pretty average game that guy was having"....But, as a Jets fan watching the AFC Championship game, and smelling the SUPER BOWL, the context of the Game is "Damn, the Jets were actually ahead in this game 17-6.... What happened?" Well, Once Greene was out, the threat of the run was greatly diminished and the Indy D was allowed to play a different 1 dimensional game... The Jets went from hoping to Fire up Ground and Pound even more, just as planned with a lead, to completely having the ball in a rookie QB's hands to go out and out-gun the Great Manning (Good Luck)Of course, the jets D also lost 3 players in the secondary and the Indy offense was then able to move at will.... But, at 17-6 the Jets probably wanted to play tight D and RUN RUN RUN... They couldn't do either with no Greene and no more CB's past Revis.In context of That game Greene was a Key to the game and part of the reason why the Jets won the 1st half and got shut out the 2nd.... of course, maybe Manning, one of the greatest QB's of our lifetime just gets hot anyway and non of it matters but, to a Jets fan looking back, i know my tune changed when I saw Greene limping on the sideline.Was he having a "Great Game"?.... Probably not, but, the table was set for what the Jets hoped to do up until then.
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nysportsfan
Footballguy
Not my take, but fires me up a bit.
Probably an overstatement, but some good points are made. Especially Rex and his lady friend, no?I like their chances, just haven't figured out the score yet.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Twice this season. Once for a TD at Buffalo earlier in the year and a deep ball against Chicago that could have been completed if Edwards didn't give up on it.
captain_amazing
Footballguy
Where are the Colts fans?
I hope the game is not as one-sided as this thread.
I hope the game is not as one-sided as this thread.
Rovers
Footballguy
Something I posted elsewhere, but it fits here as my take on this matchup:
First, some observations. The Colts run D has recently got very stingy, but they were scheming against the run, and it has been working. McFadden, MJD, C Johnson all pretty much shut down in recent weeks. For the most part, those are run oriented teams with QB's that are hardly pro bowlers. That sounds like the Jets too. It wasn't until old man Collins started to pass the ball that TN did anything against the Colts. Why run against a team that is scheming against the run and has a completely decimated defensive backfield?
The Colts' rushing game is also somewhat rejuvinated, but agianst some fair to poor teams. Addai returns and he is no small contributor to that Colts' offense. The Jets run defense is far superior to those of the Colts' recent opponents. Addai is a mismatch because the Jets' LB's are not very good in coverage. With Jim Leonard done for the season, the Jets are weak in terms of safeties. The weakest link in the Jets D is the over the middle passing game. Blair White and Tamme. Can the Colts run on this defense? Probably not, at least not effectively, but screens and pass plays to RB's could work well.
What the Jets Need to do:
What they should NOT do is what the Colts' last three opponents tried to do, run against 8 or even 9 in the box, or at least cheating up. What they should do is come out with short drops and passes over the middle behind the LB's. Once the safeties cheat up, go deep in one on one matchups of Holmes and Edwards against the Colts' CB's. Try to soften the run defense, get a lead by using play fakes early and attacking the Colts' defense's biggest weakness. THEN go to the run and ball control. Use the pass to set up the run. Running on first and second down will result in some 3 and outs. The Colts will be loaded to stop the run.
Find a way to make Tamme and White pay for going over the middle. Not illegal hits, but big ones. The Jets can likely rely on Cromartie on Garcon and Revis on Walker to prevent the big play down the sidelines. The Jets also need to find a pass rush that works against Manning, but that is frankly unlikey to happen. Addai could have a big game with short passes. The Jets LB's are good run stoppers, but not good in coverage or in outside persuit.
What he Colts need to do:
Attack the middle of the Jets defense. Addai, Tamme and White over the middle. Attack the outside of the Jets defense with outlet passes and runs. The Jets' LB's are not fast, and have trouble with outside contain. Almost forget about Wayne and Garcon early. Use the short game first, look for home runs later. Don't get fooled into thinking they can run behind the tackles other than to keep the Jets defense honest. Get a lead, force the Jets to throw and let loose the dogs, Mathis and Freeney.
Load up against the run, which the Jets will likely stubbornly try to use right from the first drive with their ground and pound mentality. Force Sanchez to throw. This should result in some early 3 and outs when the Colts stop the run. By that time, Manning and the Colts have a lead, and they can begin to dictate the game.
Summary:
I think the Jets will not attack the Colts' weaknesses, and will instead try to force the issue, sticking with trying to run against a defense that is ready to defend it. You can only keep the ball away from Manning if you are getting first downs. The Jets have to either have confidence in Sanchez to throw the ball early or lose. If the Jets cannot or refuse to attack a playoff team's most glaring weakeness they should just stay home and mail it in.
Manning will find ways to get the ball to Tamme and White. If the Jets don't make big hits on those completions over the middle, Manning will pick them apart with time consuming drives. It will be the Jets defense that gets tired, not the Colts.
No more training wheels for Sanchez. If he can't throw against the Colts' DB's or the Jets stick with a running the ball on every first down, play not to lose approach.... the game turns on this one aspect IMO. Greene will get his carries, but if the Jets are one dimensional on offense, I don't think they will win.
First, some observations. The Colts run D has recently got very stingy, but they were scheming against the run, and it has been working. McFadden, MJD, C Johnson all pretty much shut down in recent weeks. For the most part, those are run oriented teams with QB's that are hardly pro bowlers. That sounds like the Jets too. It wasn't until old man Collins started to pass the ball that TN did anything against the Colts. Why run against a team that is scheming against the run and has a completely decimated defensive backfield?
The Colts' rushing game is also somewhat rejuvinated, but agianst some fair to poor teams. Addai returns and he is no small contributor to that Colts' offense. The Jets run defense is far superior to those of the Colts' recent opponents. Addai is a mismatch because the Jets' LB's are not very good in coverage. With Jim Leonard done for the season, the Jets are weak in terms of safeties. The weakest link in the Jets D is the over the middle passing game. Blair White and Tamme. Can the Colts run on this defense? Probably not, at least not effectively, but screens and pass plays to RB's could work well.
What the Jets Need to do:
What they should NOT do is what the Colts' last three opponents tried to do, run against 8 or even 9 in the box, or at least cheating up. What they should do is come out with short drops and passes over the middle behind the LB's. Once the safeties cheat up, go deep in one on one matchups of Holmes and Edwards against the Colts' CB's. Try to soften the run defense, get a lead by using play fakes early and attacking the Colts' defense's biggest weakness. THEN go to the run and ball control. Use the pass to set up the run. Running on first and second down will result in some 3 and outs. The Colts will be loaded to stop the run.
Find a way to make Tamme and White pay for going over the middle. Not illegal hits, but big ones. The Jets can likely rely on Cromartie on Garcon and Revis on Walker to prevent the big play down the sidelines. The Jets also need to find a pass rush that works against Manning, but that is frankly unlikey to happen. Addai could have a big game with short passes. The Jets LB's are good run stoppers, but not good in coverage or in outside persuit.
What he Colts need to do:
Attack the middle of the Jets defense. Addai, Tamme and White over the middle. Attack the outside of the Jets defense with outlet passes and runs. The Jets' LB's are not fast, and have trouble with outside contain. Almost forget about Wayne and Garcon early. Use the short game first, look for home runs later. Don't get fooled into thinking they can run behind the tackles other than to keep the Jets defense honest. Get a lead, force the Jets to throw and let loose the dogs, Mathis and Freeney.
Load up against the run, which the Jets will likely stubbornly try to use right from the first drive with their ground and pound mentality. Force Sanchez to throw. This should result in some early 3 and outs when the Colts stop the run. By that time, Manning and the Colts have a lead, and they can begin to dictate the game.
Summary:
I think the Jets will not attack the Colts' weaknesses, and will instead try to force the issue, sticking with trying to run against a defense that is ready to defend it. You can only keep the ball away from Manning if you are getting first downs. The Jets have to either have confidence in Sanchez to throw the ball early or lose. If the Jets cannot or refuse to attack a playoff team's most glaring weakeness they should just stay home and mail it in.
Manning will find ways to get the ball to Tamme and White. If the Jets don't make big hits on those completions over the middle, Manning will pick them apart with time consuming drives. It will be the Jets defense that gets tired, not the Colts.
No more training wheels for Sanchez. If he can't throw against the Colts' DB's or the Jets stick with a running the ball on every first down, play not to lose approach.... the game turns on this one aspect IMO. Greene will get his carries, but if the Jets are one dimensional on offense, I don't think they will win.
Andrew Garda
Moderator
I think that's a good and fair take Rovers. I've said all week I think this comes down to Sanchez's arm - and whether that shoulder is as bad as it could be.
If Sanchez plays controlled ball and - as you pointed out - the Jets pass well, they will loosen up the Indy Run D which has played well of late.
Jets need to tighten up the middle of the defense no doubt. The short crosses and passes to the middle of the field have killed the Jets all season, even when Leonhard was there.
If Sanchez plays controlled ball and - as you pointed out - the Jets pass well, they will loosen up the Indy Run D which has played well of late.
Jets need to tighten up the middle of the defense no doubt. The short crosses and passes to the middle of the field have killed the Jets all season, even when Leonhard was there.
patchyfogg
Footballguy
As you might know from my previous Jets-related interviews, I co-host a 100% commercial-free, no one makes a dime from it, Sports Talk radio show on Long Island.
Last night, we did 27+ commercial-free minutes of nothing but Jets Playoffs Preview talk with Daily News Jets beat reporter Manish Mehta.
I have uploaded the interview in MP3 format to
http://sportstalk903.libsyn.com
Here are the topics discussed in chronological order:
--Manish's optimism about the game
--The differences between this year's game and last year's game
--All things Cromartie
--The Pass Rush
--The Nickel Back position
--Punt & Kick Returns
--Joe McKnight
--How the RB carries will shake out
--Mark Sanchez
--The Jets' earlier victory over the Pats
--Danny Woodhead
--Matching up on Special Teams against the Colts
--On-Field and Off-Field Distractions and Their Impact (if any)
--The Offensive Line
--The WR/TE Breakdown
--The LB Corps
--The Jets' Travel Plans for the Game
--Manish's Prediction for the Game
Thanks, and I hope you get a chance to listen.
Last night, we did 27+ commercial-free minutes of nothing but Jets Playoffs Preview talk with Daily News Jets beat reporter Manish Mehta.
I have uploaded the interview in MP3 format to
http://sportstalk903.libsyn.com
Here are the topics discussed in chronological order:
--Manish's optimism about the game
--The differences between this year's game and last year's game
--All things Cromartie
--The Pass Rush
--The Nickel Back position
--Punt & Kick Returns
--Joe McKnight
--How the RB carries will shake out
--Mark Sanchez
--The Jets' earlier victory over the Pats
--Danny Woodhead
--Matching up on Special Teams against the Colts
--On-Field and Off-Field Distractions and Their Impact (if any)
--The Offensive Line
--The WR/TE Breakdown
--The LB Corps
--The Jets' Travel Plans for the Game
--Manish's Prediction for the Game
Thanks, and I hope you get a chance to listen.
hardcoredx
Footballguy
It's amazing how many people don't understand football on these forums. Defense + Running wins all the freaking time.. Gee I wonder why the Colts "choke" so many times in the playoffs. The Colts won a Super Bowl because of Rex Grossman not Peyton Manning. It's going to be a complete shock if the Jets don't crush them-- physical teams will beat the Colts a majority of the time.
Jets 41
Colts 9
Jets 41
Colts 9
Reaper
Footballguy
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Rex Ryan has always coached physical defenses. Look up his record against Peyton Manning led Colts teams. Look up Peyton's stats vs Ryan's physical defenses. Also, Indy's Defense is totally different at home....and actually have been pretty impressive the last 3 weeks.
Rovers
Footballguy
Then the Jets must have won last year right? Top ranked rushing attack, top defense... oh, wait. They lost. Teams that get too one dimensional usually lose too. When a team loads the box against the run and has a decimated defensive backfield, you think a run dominated offense can put up 41 points? Seriously? You think others don't understand football? My point is simply this: Most good teams that win take what the defense will give. If a team is loading the box to stop the run and their D backfield is a big weakness, pass the ball enough early to make that defense worry about the pass. Do that, and you can run all day on them, if you have a rushing attack like the Jets do.
Of late, the Colts have been playing the run very well. Ask McFadden, MJD and Chris Johnson. The Colts' LB's have been playing run first, and when they do that, they can stop it, they've proven that. I've seen the Jets lose games under Ryan because he always tries to run no matter what the defense is doing, especially on first downs. If the idea is to keep the ball away from Manning, that means first downs. You can go 3 and out very easilly running against 8 or even 9 in the box.
Actually, it's teams that exploit mismatches that almost always win. Edwards, Holmes and Keller are the mismatches gainst Indy in this game. Last week with an ancient QB in Collins nearly (should have) beaten the Colts once the Titans started to throw the ball.
I think the Jets need to have a near 50-50 balance in the first half, then run more in the second.
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Andrew Garda
Moderator
I'm as big a Jets homer as anybody and I dearly believe they can win this game but even Ican't back 41-9.
I will happily eat crow if that happens.
I will happily eat crow if that happens.
njherdfan
Footballguy
There are going to be a few things the Jets need to do in order to have a chance to win.
1. Convert in the Red Zone- The Jets RZ offense this year has been terrible. I think the Jets should be able to move the ball between the 20s (if they can't, then this whole discussion is moot because the Jets will get killed) but they can't settle for field goals, because I doubt the Colts will have to settle for 3 points very often.
2. Cover Pierre Garcon- Antonio Cromartie should match up well with Garcon, but Cro has had a very up-and-down season. If Cromartie is on his game and can largely neutralize Garcon, then the Jets should be able to heavily shade coverage towards Blair White and Tamme.
3. Get pressure on Peyton Manning- In last year's AFCC, the Jets sacked Manning twice on the Colts' first two possessions and didn't touch him for the rest of the game, because their 4 man rush was so ineffective. If that happens again, the Jets will lose, because no DB is good enough to cover a receiver for 5 seconds when Peyton is throwing the ball. Calvin Pace will need to provide pressure and disrupt Manning enough to stop him from getting comfortable.
If the Jets can do those three things, I expect them to win. If not (and #3 is doubtful) expect a Colts victory.
1. Convert in the Red Zone- The Jets RZ offense this year has been terrible. I think the Jets should be able to move the ball between the 20s (if they can't, then this whole discussion is moot because the Jets will get killed) but they can't settle for field goals, because I doubt the Colts will have to settle for 3 points very often.
2. Cover Pierre Garcon- Antonio Cromartie should match up well with Garcon, but Cro has had a very up-and-down season. If Cromartie is on his game and can largely neutralize Garcon, then the Jets should be able to heavily shade coverage towards Blair White and Tamme.
3. Get pressure on Peyton Manning- In last year's AFCC, the Jets sacked Manning twice on the Colts' first two possessions and didn't touch him for the rest of the game, because their 4 man rush was so ineffective. If that happens again, the Jets will lose, because no DB is good enough to cover a receiver for 5 seconds when Peyton is throwing the ball. Calvin Pace will need to provide pressure and disrupt Manning enough to stop him from getting comfortable.
If the Jets can do those three things, I expect them to win. If not (and #3 is doubtful) expect a Colts victory.
Tickle Monster
Footballguy
I was just telling these two to my boss today. If Cro makes a few bone mistakes, there is going to be some huge plays by Garcon. And the Jets need to put pressure up the middle.
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Rovers
Footballguy
Would Colts fans say Garcon was more of a straight line type of route runner, as opposed to a shifty change of direction type? Cromartie can usually stay with the faster striaght line types, but has trouble with shiftier WR's.
Another question for Colt's homers: Cromartie has one INT in each of his four games against Manning. Is that just circumstnaces, or does Cromartie tend to take more risks against Manning for the big play while getting beaten?
Another question for Colt's homers: Cromartie has one INT in each of his four games against Manning. Is that just circumstnaces, or does Cromartie tend to take more risks against Manning for the big play while getting beaten?
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Jets will not generate pressure on Manning without blitz. With blitzes, it leaves them exposed. They need to time everything well, not just bring extra people and not fail to get to Manning. They need to force Manning into audibles to the run. The Jets need to play 6 in the box and still shut the running game down. They need to shut the running game for the Colts down. If the Jets have to respect the run, they will lose.
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scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Was Cromartie ever in a Jets uniform when he intercepted Manning? Indy has had major issues against San Diego the past few years. I believe the biggest reason is because they have been able to get tons of pressure on Peyton without blitzing. I believe Garcon's problem is he's not consistent. Sometimes he looks like one of the best WR's in the NFL, sometimes he has hands of stone. I believe he's more than just straight line speed. He's a freak athlete which is one of the reasons I believe the Jets got Cromartie, so they could stick a freakish athlete on Garcon. Garcon killed NY in the playoffs last year. We'll see if adding Cromartie was the right choice.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Who's starting at RB for Indy this weekend?
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
So the Jets are putting Revis on Wayne, right? And I saw that he only partially participated in practice yesterday. Still his hammy I assume?
Rovers
Footballguy
Precautionary for his hammy, especially if the practice was outside. Cromartie is also probable with a groin. Playing indoors is probably better for both of them. Revis is likely to be on Wayne, but you never can be sure with Ryan. If Wayne is in the slot, Revis may stay outside. The Jets might also mix in some dime zone, I really can't guess at what Ryan has dialed up. Manning has been using the middle of the field a lot and that has been the Jets' weakness. Should make for an interesting chess match.
not a lot of colts fans posting in here
i don't really know what to expect in this game
it could be a defensive battle, a shootout or anything in between
but manning has owned rex ryan coached defenses
5- 1 i believe and the 1 loss was last year when the colts sat all their starters
so really he's 5-0 with the loss comming against painter and a bunch of other scrubs
i don't really know what to expect in this game
it could be a defensive battle, a shootout or anything in between
but manning has owned rex ryan coached defenses
5- 1 i believe and the 1 loss was last year when the colts sat all their starters
so really he's 5-0 with the loss comming against painter and a bunch of other scrubs
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
The Jacket
Footballguy
Got the Jets' 1-point win right. Little off on the points, though I bet the under.
Take New England next week. Big.
Take New England next week. Big.
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