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Predict the final game of the regular season (1 Viewer)

Yeah if SF beats Detroit or Minnesota beats Green Bay I can 100% see them taking the bird in the hand that is a battle for the bye. They can set it up so the loser plays the (stupid) Monday night playoff game.

-QG
 
IF Pittsburgh manages to beat KC and Buffalo takes care of business versus the Jets and the Bengals manage to beat the Broncos I can very easily see them making the final game KC vs Denver.

A slim chance the game counts for nothing but more likely at least 1 of:
Buffalo beats NE again to make KC need the game for the bye.
Indy, Miami, and/or the Bengals have a chance to get to 9 wins which would force Denver to win to make it.

A lot has to fall in place of course but I think NBC would want that game if KC and/or Denver probably need it.

-QG
The problem with scenarios like this is that they don't just require all of those other things to happen, they require them to happen earlier that same day, after the league has already committed to broadcasting KC-Den in prime time. Imagine a situation where every single thing falls into place, but then Miami blows the Jets game and suddenly Denver clinches and their KC matchup becomes meaningless?

You also get into the issue of fairness. If two teams have equal stakes in a game but one gets to play after the other one, they can gain an advantage.

A far more likely scenario is that the league chooses a game where the stakes are known a week in advance
 
Well yeah Detroit/Minnesota fits the bill better - but if there is no other clear win and in that KC/Denver deal might be the best shot. We'll see.
-QG
 
As pointed out above, the NFL will never flex a Week 18 game into Prime Time whose relevance is contingent on something else happening earlier in the day, no matter how likely.

The last thing they want is some team who suddenly has nothing to play for and will start all its starters to rest up for the playoffs vs a team with something still left to play for. They will go without a Week 18 night game (as they have in the past) rather than face that scenario

What they really want is 2 teams facing each other who both need a win to make the playoffs but are eliminated without one. The NFL basically views that as a bonus playoff game one week early, as the winner advances and the loser goes home. The only way I see that happening is if Seattle wins this week and the Rams lose to Arizona. If that doesn't happen, then the only other game I see them flexing is Vikings-Lions, if that is for the #1 seed. If neither of those happen, I would say there's no Sunday Night game to end the season
 
Um no, NBC isn’t just gonna punt on having a week 18 Sunday night game. They’d show SF-AZ before they’d let that happen.
 
Um no, NBC isn’t just gonna punt on having a week 18 Sunday night game. They’d show SF-AZ before they’d let that happen.
They did in 2017
Week 17 on December 31 had a full Sunday schedule of games, with the Sunday night game slot originally left blank as has been done the previous nine seasons. After all of the Week 16 Sunday games were played, the NFL determined that many of the teams with playoff implications would have been affected by the results of other football games, and moving a single game to the Sunday night slot impacted competitive balance (along with the possibility of that game having little to no effect on playoff positioning at all, in addition to negative impacts on rating as a result of the game ending close to the stroke of midnight for the New Year for the Eastern time zone). As a result, the NFL decided to instead set up a schedule for that year's Week 17 where all games would be played at 1 p.m. ET and 4:25 p.m. ET time-slots between CBS and Fox (equivalent to soccer's English Premier League scheduling their last week's matches in the same manner), and no Sunday Night Football game would be played for the first time since 2009
 
That’s funny, forgot that happened. The info gives away the true reason though, they were worried about ratings on the evening of Dec 31.
 
I think the last game will be Detroit/Minnesota. If both of these teams win in week 17 which could happen, this match up could be lined to see who ends up with the #1 Seed in the NFC Playoffs and is probably the best game in Week 18.
 
I think the last game will be Detroit/Minnesota. If both of these teams win in week 17 which could happen, this match up could be lined to see who ends up with the #1 Seed in the NFC Playoffs and is probably the best game in Week 18.
It’s actually even easier than that: If Minnesota wins on Sunday, the Week 18 matchup is for all the marbles regardless of what happens the following night in Detroit-SF
 
Bill Simmons was talking about this on his podcast the other day: If Rams, Packers and Lions all win this weekend, both divisions are locked up and there are no good Week 18 games to flex. He was joking that means Vikings will get all the close calls, since that’s the one result that will guarantee the matchup the league wants
 
If the Bengals win today then the Week 18 Steelers/Bengals game could be flexed since the Bengals would need the win for a playoff spot and the Steelers would likely be playing for the 5th seed
 
It would have been Rams vs Seahawks if the Cardinals had won that one.

Now I think that Rams vs Seahawks will be the first Saturday game if the Rams do not clinch things with the strength of victory tiebreaker. They will put that game first if it still is possible for Seattle to make the playoffs.

-QG
 
It would have been Rams vs Seahawks if the Cardinals had won that one.

Now I think that Rams vs Seahawks will be the first Saturday game if the Rams do not clinch things with the strength of victory tiebreaker. They will put that game first if it still is possible for Seattle to make the playoffs.

-QG

Yeah makes sense. They won’t want the game meaning altered beforehand.
 
I can see Saturday being Bengals/Steelers in game 1 and Ravens/Browns in game 2 but the only problem is a Steelers loss means everyone on Baltimore sits.

It is impossible for all the windows to be perfect though.

-QG
 
It would have been Rams vs Seahawks if the Cardinals had won that one.

Now I think that Rams vs Seahawks will be the first Saturday game if the Rams do not clinch things with the strength of victory tiebreaker. They will put that game first if it still is possible for Seattle to make the playoffs.

-QG
Yeah they just showed what the Rams need tomorrow/Monday to clinch the division: three of Bills, Browns, Vikings, Commanders and 49ers winning. Of those, Bills are heavy favorites, Commanders are slight favs, Vikings are weirdly underdogs and Browns are dogs but it’s hard to say given that we don’t know who either team will be rolling out at QB. But it’s by no means guaranteed that three of them will win.

Agree that Rams-Seahawks and Steelers-Bengals would seem to be the most likely Saturday games. Bengals will go all out without knowing if they’ve already been eliminated.

If Rams clinch tomorrow maybe Denver-KC as the Saturday late game? But if Indy and/or Miami win tomorrow, would that be unfair? I do think we can safely say the league won’t want to put Miami (vs Jets) and Indy (Jax) on an island game
 
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I think it's highly highly unlikely Denver plays Saturday. They'll play last.

Okay so looking at things.
Bengals win a 2-way tie with Denver
Miami wins a 2-way tie with Denver
Denver wins a 2-way tie with Indianapolis
Miami wins a 3-way tie with Denver and Cincinnati
Indianapolis wins a 3-way tie with Denver and Miami
Indianapolis wins a 3-way tie with Denver and Cincinnati
Indianapolis wins a 4-way tie with Denver, Cincinnati and Miami

Put another way if all 4 are alive next week. Indianapolis actually needs Miami or Cincinnati to win. If both lose, they are out no matter what.
Conversely if Indianapolis wins Denver (and Cincinnati of course) are out.
The Bengals game by itself doesn't decide anything.

So in this case you probably get Pit/Cin and Bal/Cle in the 1pm Sunday window. And Mia, Denver and Indy all in the 4pm Sunday window.

If the Colts lose I can see Pit/Cin and Bal/Cle in the 1pm Sunday winod with Mia and Denver in the 4pm Sunday window.
If the Dolphins lose that might put all 4 games of Pit/Cin, Bal/Cle, Ind/Jac and KC/Den all into the same window - that's the only way that there's definitely something at stake for all 5 concerned.

Finally if somehow the Colts and Dolphins delight me and both lose this week I think all 3 games are in the 4pm window.

We'll see what they do and how firmly they stick to the idea that maximizes teams needing to be in a position where the game matters at kickoff.

League definitely rooting against the Packers that's for sure lol.
-QG
 
I think it's highly highly unlikely Denver plays Saturday. They'll play last.

Okay so looking at things.
Bengals win a 2-way tie with Denver
Miami wins a 2-way tie with Denver
Denver wins a 2-way tie with Indianapolis
Miami wins a 3-way tie with Denver and Cincinnati
Indianapolis wins a 3-way tie with Denver and Miami
Indianapolis wins a 3-way tie with Denver and Cincinnati
Indianapolis wins a 4-way tie with Denver, Cincinnati and Miami

Put another way if all 4 are alive next week. Indianapolis actually needs Miami or Cincinnati to win. If both lose, they are out no matter what.
Conversely if Indianapolis wins Denver (and Cincinnati of course) are out.
The Bengals game by itself doesn't decide anything.

So in this case you probably get Pit/Cin and Bal/Cle in the 1pm Sunday window. And Mia, Denver and Indy all in the 4pm Sunday window.

If the Colts lose I can see Pit/Cin and Bal/Cle in the 1pm Sunday winod with Mia and Denver in the 4pm Sunday window.
If the Dolphins lose that might put all 4 games of Pit/Cin, Bal/Cle, Ind/Jac and KC/Den all into the same window - that's the only way that there's definitely something at stake for all 5 concerned.

Finally if somehow the Colts and Dolphins delight me and both lose this week I think all 3 games are in the 4pm window.

We'll see what they do and how firmly they stick to the idea that maximizes teams needing to be in a position where the game matters at kickoff.

League definitely rooting against the Packers that's for sure lol.
-QG
OK you’re starting to convince me that AFC Wildcard scenarios are too complex to put two games on Saturday (unless the situation resolves itself more tomorrow). But what games does that leave for Saturday? Rams-Seahawks if it matters (and assuming Lions-Vikes is SNF). But what’s the other one? Maybe they just go all NFC South if that’s not clinched? Even there, it can’t be a situation where one team gets an advantage by going second
 
Okay so what do we got in week 18....
Beefalo vs New England. If Beefalo loses this week, this game will matter in terms of the 2/3 seed (Baltimore beat them earlier this year)

Miami vs Jets. Matters if the Dolphins wins this week with the 4 teams going for 1 spot in the AFC. Meaningless if the Fins lose this week.

Bengals vs Steelers. Bengals are in the 4-team for one spot deal. Steelers game matters for the division (3 seed possible) and for the 5/6 seed vs Chargers.

Ravens vs Browns. Game matters for division title. Ravens can also be the #2 seed if they win and Buffalo loses out.

Texans vs Titans. Meaningless.

Colts vs Jaguars. Bengals are in the 4-team for one spot deal as long as they win this week. Meaningless if the Colts lose this week.

Chargers vs Raiders. Chargers can still get the #5 if they win and the Steelers lose.

Chiefs vs Broncos. The most important game in the 4-team for one spot deal.

Eagles vs Giants. Matters for the division if the Eagles lose and Commanders win. Matters for the #1 seed if the Eagles win and Lions and Vikings both lose. Otherwise it doesn't matter. If the latter scenario happens though this game totally becomes a Saturday special imo.

Commanders vs Cowboys. Funny game as it probably will matter for something. If they win and Philly loses they can still win the division. If they lose and Tampa wins they can still miss the playoffs. In this case I can see this game being on Saturday as they can have a win and in scenario that doesn't totally eliminate the team chasing them (Tampa). If neither of the first 2 apply but the Commanders have the same result as the packers they still can get #6. If they lose and Tampa loses and Green Bay wins THEN the game matters not at all.

Packers vs Bears. Packers are only playing for seed in any scenario. If they win this week they'll have a shot at the 5. If they lose then could possibly fall to the 7. Technically this game will matter in that sense - but the stakes are such that the most it could possibly be is Saturday fodder if they can't put anything else as a standalone b/c of contigencies.

Vikings vs Lions. Could be for #1 or #5 seed (in that case hello Sunday night!). Could be much more modest with just stakes for the Vikings of being #5 or #6.

Panthers vs Buccaneers. Buccaneers win this week and the game matters (for the division and possibly the wild card). If they lose and Atlanta lose their game this week the game will matter just for the divsiion. Buccaneers losing and Atlanta winning in week 17 makes the game meaningless.

Falcons vs Saints. If they lose, the game will matter for the division no matter what. If they win and Tampa wins the game also matters for the division. They probably play the same time as Tampa does. If they win and Tampa loses then the game will only matter for the 3 vs 4 seed.

49ers vs Cardinals. Means nothing

Seahawks vs Rams. This game will matter for the division if the strength of victory tiebreaker isn't settled this week. If it isn't I totally see this being the lead-off Saturday game (or in the 2nd slot if the other game doesn't affect the strength of victory) - since that's the only way the Rams will not know for sure they have the division. If the Falcons and or Buccaneers win then this game will matter for whether the Rams are the 3rd or 4th seed.

So that's the summary. Still a lot up in the air. The league really could have used the Cardinals winning today to make that Seahawks/Rams game a cut-and-dried playoff game.

-QG
 
Okay so what do we got in week 18....
Beefalo vs New England. This game no longer matters.

Miami vs Jets. Matters if the Dolphins wins this week with the 3 teams going for 1 spot in the AFC. Meaningless if the Fins lose this week.

Bengals vs Steelers. Bengals are in the 3-team for one spot deal. Steelers game matters for the division (3 seed possible) and for the 5/6 seed vs Chargers.

Ravens vs Browns. Game matters for division title. Baltimore definitely is the #3 with a win or Steelers loss. #5 with a loss and Steelers win.

Texans vs Titans. Meaningless.

Colts vs Jaguars. Meaningless

Chargers vs Raiders. Chargers can still get the #5 if they win and the Steelers lose.

Chiefs vs Broncos. The most important game in the 3-team for one spot deal. They will play at the same time or later than Bengals and if applicable Broncos.

Eagles vs Giants. Matters for the #1 seed if the Lions and Vikings both lose. Otherwise it doesn't matter. If it does matter I can very much see this being played on Saturday as they will still have a shot at #1 at that time but if they win it changes nothing for Detroit vs Minnesota.

Commanders vs Cowboys. If they lose they can still miss the playoffs. In this case I can see this game being on Saturday as they can have a win and in scenario that doesn't totally eliminate the team chasing them (Tampa). If they win the game will matter for the #6 seed..

Packers vs Bears. Packers are only playing for seed in any scenario. If they win this week they'll have a shot at the 5. If they lose then could possibly fall to the 7. Technically this game will matter in that sense - but the stakes are such that the most it could possibly be is Saturday fodder if they can't put anything else as a standalone b/c of contingencies.

Vikings vs Lions. Could be for #1 or #5 seed (in that case hello Sunday night!). Could be much more modest with just stakes for the Vikings of being #5 or #6.

Panthers vs Buccaneers. This game matters for the division and possibly the wildcard. It probably will be the same time as the Falcons game no matter the outcome of the Atlanta game.

Falcons vs Saints. As state above, they probably play the same time as Tampa does.

49ers vs Cardinals. Means nothing

Seahawks vs Rams. This game will matter for the division if the strength of victory tiebreaker isn't settled this week. If it isn't I totally see this being the lead-off Saturday game (or in the 2nd slot if the other game doesn't affect the strength of victory) - since that's the only way the Rams will not know for sure they have the division. If the Falcons and or Buccaneers win then this game will matter for whether the Rams are the 3rd or 4th seed. 4pm Sunday note. It matters if at least 3 of Cleveland, Minnesota, Washington and San Francisco lose.

So that's the latest.

Updated the above with the 1pm results. Things a little clearer.

-QG
 
Okay so what do we got in week 18....
Beefalo vs New England. This game no longer matters.

Miami vs Jets. Matters if the Dolphins wins this week with the 3 teams going for 1 spot in the AFC. Meaningless if the Fins lose this week.

Bengals vs Steelers. Bengals are in the 3-team for one spot deal. Steelers game matters for the division (3 seed possible) and for the 5/6 seed vs Chargers.

Ravens vs Browns. Game matters for division title. Baltimore definitely is the #3 with a win or Steelers loss. #5 with a loss and Steelers win.

Texans vs Titans. Meaningless.

Colts vs Jaguars. Meaningless

Chargers vs Raiders. Chargers can still get the #5 if they win and the Steelers lose.

Chiefs vs Broncos. The most important game in the 3-team for one spot deal. They will play at the same time or later than Bengals and if applicable Broncos.

Eagles vs Giants. Matters for the #1 seed if the Lions and Vikings both lose. Otherwise it doesn't matter. If it does matter I can very much see this being played on Saturday as they will still have a shot at #1 at that time but if they win it changes nothing for Detroit vs Minnesota.

Commanders vs Cowboys. If they lose they can still miss the playoffs. In this case I can see this game being on Saturday as they can have a win and in scenario that doesn't totally eliminate the team chasing them (Tampa). If they win the game will matter for the #6 seed..

Packers vs Bears. Packers are only playing for seed in any scenario. If they win this week they'll have a shot at the 5. If they lose then could possibly fall to the 7. Technically this game will matter in that sense - but the stakes are such that the most it could possibly be is Saturday fodder if they can't put anything else as a standalone b/c of contingencies.

Vikings vs Lions. Could be for #1 or #5 seed (in that case hello Sunday night!). Could be much more modest with just stakes for the Vikings of being #5 or #6.

Panthers vs Buccaneers. This game matters for the division and possibly the wildcard. It probably will be the same time as the Falcons game no matter the outcome of the Atlanta game.

Falcons vs Saints. As state above, they probably play the same time as Tampa does.

49ers vs Cardinals. Means nothing

Seahawks vs Rams. This game will matter for the division if the strength of victory tiebreaker isn't settled this week. If it isn't I totally see this being the lead-off Saturday game (or in the 2nd slot if the other game doesn't affect the strength of victory) - since that's the only way the Rams will not know for sure they have the division. If the Falcons and or Buccaneers win then this game will matter for whether the Rams are the 3rd or 4th seed. 4pm Sunday note. It matters if at least 3 of Cleveland, Minnesota, Washington and San Francisco lose.

So that's the latest.

Updated the above with the 1pm results. Things a little clearer.

-QG
Biggest change from 1:00 games is that Colts are eliminated after losing to Giants
 
Unless both Detroit and Vikes lose I'm not sure there's a single game worthy of the spot.

Actually the only scenario where Detroit/Minnesota isn't for the #1 seed/Division (at least for Detroit) if if Detroit wins and Minnesota loses.

Det Win and Minnesota win: winner is #1 loser is #5

Det Loss and Minnesota loss: Detroit is #1 with a win or #5 with loss. Minnesota is #5 with a loss or #1 with a win and Philly loss or #2 with a win and a Philly win.

Det Loss and Minnesota win: winner is #1 and loser is #5

Det Win and Minnesota loss: Detroit is #1. Minnesota is #5 or #6

-QG
 
Feel like Detroit-Minnesota has to be it

Maybe Denver-KC will be a win and in game for Denver, but NFL isn’t going to want to showcase their league’s best team tanking a game and gifting their division rival a playoff spot while fans in Miami or Cincy fume as their team is eliminated
 
Feel like Detroit-Minnesota has to be it

Maybe Denver-KC will be a win and in game for Denver, but NFL isn’t going to want to showcase their league’s best team tanking a game and gifting their division rival a playoff spot while fans in Miami or Cincy fume as their team is eliminated
That happened to Cleveland a long time ago when they were not flexing the games in and out it was Indy already wrapped up sat their players and we had to watch them lose and let another team in.

Det/Minn seems pretty locked up
 
If the Commanders win, does that clinch the division for the Rams? IIRC 3/5 teams had to win, and Bills/Vikes already won (Browns lost and Niners play tomorrow).

ETA: Yep. This also probably means no way Rams-Seahawks is on Saturday. The league can’t know for sure until after MNF if the game will have stakes, and they need to make the announcement tonight.

So what will the two Saturday games be? Could do both NFC South matchups, but that might be unfair to not schedule them simultaneously
 
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Detroit/Minnesota will be the SNF game but the league probably waits til whether the Rams officially clinch or not to announce things

If Washington wins tonight that clinches the Rams playoff spot so it is possible/probably they announce the schedule tonight.

If Atlanta wins tonight they wait til the end of the Detroit/SF game (an SF win also puts the Rams into the playoffs).

The delay all has to with Saturday.

-QG
 
Detroit/Minnesota will be the SNF game but the league probably waits til whether the Rams officially clinch or not to announce things

If Washington wins tonight that clinches the Rams playoff spot so it is possible/probably they announce the schedule tonight.

If Atlanta wins tonight they wait til the end of the Detroit/SF game (an SF win also puts the Rams into the playoffs).

The delay all has to with Saturday.

-QG
See, this is why I think LA-Seattle won’t be on Saturday. You can’t wait until midnight Monday to tell a team they have to play a day earlier than usual
 
Here's what I can't figure out about the NFC South: Is there any scenario in which, if they schedule the two games in succession, they can be sure the result from the first game won't make the second one irrelevant?

I don't think there is, but I wonder if the league would set up a scenario where the team in first place couldn't clinch with a win in the early game. So let's say Atlanta loses tonight, and now they trail TB by a game (but hold the tiebreaker). So they have Atlanta play first. If they win, then Tampa plays in the late game and has to win in order to clinch. Meanwhile, if Atlanta wins tonight, the league flips the game, so TB has to win to stay alive, but Atlanta can close them out with a win over Carolina.

The risk is that if the trailing team loses in the early game, the second game becomes irrelevant. But I wonder if the league might roll the dice on things working out
 
Detroit/Minnesota will be the SNF game but the league probably waits til whether the Rams officially clinch or not to announce things

If Washington wins tonight that clinches the Rams playoff spot so it is possible/probably they announce the schedule tonight.

If Atlanta wins tonight they wait til the end of the Detroit/SF game (an SF win also puts the Rams into the playoffs).

The delay all has to with Saturday.

-QG
See, this is why I think LA-Seattle won’t be on Saturday. You can’t wait until midnight Monday to tell a team they have to play a day earlier than usual

Or they say the heck with it and set it tonight and gamble.

-QG
 
Detroit/Minnesota will be the SNF game but the league probably waits til whether the Rams officially clinch or not to announce things

If Washington wins tonight that clinches the Rams playoff spot so it is possible/probably they announce the schedule tonight.

If Atlanta wins tonight they wait til the end of the Detroit/SF game (an SF win also puts the Rams into the playoffs).

The delay all has to with Saturday.

-QG
See, this is why I think LA-Seattle won’t be on Saturday. You can’t wait until midnight Monday to tell a team they have to play a day earlier than usual

Or they say the heck with it and set it tonight and gamble.

-QG
Weirdest thing is if they put it on Saturday, Seattle couldn't actually clinch with a win. They would have to wait for other results on Sunday to know for sure (and from what I understand Rams are very likely to get the results they need to get the tiebreaker).

On the other hand, it might make sense to put it on Saturday in order to ensure both teams would go all out, especially since if they wait until Sunday it would need to be a 4:00 game
 
Detroit/Minnesota will be the SNF game but the league probably waits til whether the Rams officially clinch or not to announce things

If Washington wins tonight that clinches the Rams playoff spot so it is possible/probably they announce the schedule tonight.

If Atlanta wins tonight they wait til the end of the Detroit/SF game (an SF win also puts the Rams into the playoffs).

The delay all has to with Saturday.

-QG
See, this is why I think LA-Seattle won’t be on Saturday. You can’t wait until midnight Monday to tell a team they have to play a day earlier than usual

Or they say the heck with it and set it tonight and gamble.

-QG
Weirdest thing is if they put it on Saturday, Seattle couldn't actually clinch with a win. They would have to wait for other results on Sunday to know for sure (and from what I understand Rams are very likely to get the results they need to get the tiebreaker).

On the other hand, it might make sense to put it on Saturday in order to ensure both teams would go all out, especially since if they wait until Sunday it would need to be a 4:00 game

Historically they want the game to matter at kickoff. And it seems like there would be too many games that go into the SOV that they would be able to have all relevant games 4pm Sunday or later.

-QG
 
OK, ignore the last page of posts by @QuizGuy66 and me. Commanders' win means Rams clinch and their game next week is meaningless.

As for the Saturday game, I think @BassNBrew's prediction (NYG-Philly and Pitt-Cinci) has merit. Feels like the two NFC South games will be at 4:00 Sunday
 
Official announcement:

Both AFC North games on Saturday.

NFC South decided at 1:00 Sunday

Broncos and Dolphins in the late window Sunday to resolve the final wildcard slot (If Denver wins, they're in. If they lose and Miami wins, they're in. If they both lose and Cinci wins on Saturday, they're in).

Lions-Vikings on SNF (duh)
 
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The FULL Week 18 schedule:

Saturday:
- 4:30 ET: Browns-Ravens
- 8:00 ET: Bengals-Steelers

Sunday, 1:00 ET:
- Giants-Eagles
- Bills-Patriots
- Texans-Titans
- Panthers-Falcons
- Commanders-Cowboys
- Bears-Packers
- Jaguars-Colts
- Saints-Bucs

Sunday, 4:25 ET:
- Chiefs-Broncos
- Chargers-Raiders
- Dolphins-Jets
- 49ers-Cardinals
- Seahawks-Rams

SNF, 8:20:
- Vikings-Lions
 

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