Presidential Debate Thread - Obama vs. Romney (1 Viewer)

[HellToupee]

Is this the last we see of Jim Lehrer moderating a debate? He was useless.

I thought he was perfect and never got in the way.

He was incompetent at best Mitt seized the reigns at times , kind of surprised Obama didn't as well

 

[TarheelBlue]

CNN focus group just showed Obama's lowest pt with them was when he pointed out Mitt's math doesn't add up. This just shows voters can't handle the truth. Apparently they are willing to believe that everyone gets a tax cut, and the deficit goes down, with a free unicorn on the side.

Well, when you have 25M people out of work, and you have corporations, private equity firms and hedge funds with nearly $4TN on the sidelines... then yes, federal policy to employ those unemployed workers and put that capital to use, you can reduce the deficit... not hard to understand... more people working and paying taxes, more corporations using and spending money money, more corps investing... etc.I thought Romney explained the concept really really really well.Add to that the places where he plansto cut the crap out of the budget, it can certainly be done.

 

[Widbil83]

The Democrats should roll out the empty chair for the next debate.

 

[HellToupee]

I thought this was going to be Hagler/Hearns tonight but it was almost Leonard/Duran 2.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I think I agree with Bill Clinton's assessment of Barack Obama: Amateur.

 

[jonessed]

CNN focus group just showed Obama's lowest pt with them was when he pointed out Mitt's math doesn't add up. This just shows voters can't handle the truth. Apparently they are willing to believe that everyone gets a tax cut, and the deficit goes down, with a free unicorn on the side.

What a bunch of suckers. At least with, "the rich can pay for everything" they get a pound of free gold.

 

[LHUCKS]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?

Devil is in the details, as always.

 

[drummer]

This is that classic SNL skit where Dukakis said "I can't believe I'm losing to this guy".

 

[GoBirds]

Is this the last we see of Jim Lehrer moderating a debate? He was useless.

I thought he was perfect and never got in the way.

Have to blame it on something.

 

[drummer]

I think I agree with Bill Clinton's assessment of Barack Obama: Amateur.

You ain't hard to please.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Romney really slammed him good when he asked why he spent 2 years working on Obamacare and not jobs.

He also got in a huge uppercut when he said "I have no idea what you are talking about, I need a new accountant"...you almost felt bad for Obama there, I can see why some were saying Teacher/Student...I'm sure Obama will bounce back but the sound bites the next couple days are going to frame Romney as a big winner.

 

[jonessed]

Is this the last we see of Jim Lehrer moderating a debate? He was useless.

I thought he was perfect and never got in the way.

Have to blame it on something.

Considering Obama ended up with the extra time it's hard to fault Lehrer for his failings.

 

[LHUCKS]

CNN focus group just showed Obama's lowest pt with them was when he pointed out Mitt's math doesn't add up. This just shows voters can't handle the truth. Apparently they are willing to believe that everyone gets a tax cut, and the deficit goes down, with a free unicorn on the side.

Romney repeatedly said his reform in loopholes and deductions would make up the difference.Why is this hard to understand?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

Nowhere. Along with his spending cuts, and health care reform plans.

 

[NutterButter]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

That's the message Obama keeps hammering home. There are no details. As Clinton mentioned, he's wants to be elected POTUS and then he'll let us know.

 

[LHUCKS]

Romney really slammed him good when he asked why he spent 2 years working on Obamacare and not jobs.

One of several reasons why Romney is getting my support.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I thought there was about a 2/3 chance Obama would "lose," and that seems to have come true. It was a win of style. There will be a backlash on the substance for Mitt, but as far as what the debate is good for (image), Mitt made up some ground.

Obama won't be as passive in nights two and three, especially if the needle moves. I think they banked on just getting through the night without damage, but that plan obviously backfired.

So you think the game plan was bend over and hope for the best? I hope the leader of the Free World has a little more backbone than that.

No idea why he didn't feel like punching back.

Romney will screw this up the minute he steps back on the bus. They should lock him in a closet until the next debate.

 

[LHUCKS]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

Nowhere. Along with his spending cuts, and health care reform plans.

He's not getting my vote until I see these details.

 

[CrossEyed]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

 

[Politician Spock]

Is this the last we see of Jim Lehrer moderating a debate? He was useless.

I thought he was perfect and never got in the way.

Have to blame it on something.

Considering Obama ended up with the extra time it's hard to fault Lehrer for his failings.

For Obama, Lehrer's first question being about jobs was like a pitcher starting the first inning of a baseball game with the bases already loaded.

 

[HellToupee]

I wonder how Obama now feels about Kerry prepping him for Romney

 

[drummer]

I thought there was about a 2/3 chance Obama would "lose," and that seems to have come true. It was a win of style. There will be a backlash on the substance for Mitt, but as far as what the debate is good for (image), Mitt made up some ground.

Obama won't be as passive in nights two and three, especially if the needle moves. I think they banked on just getting through the night without damage, but that plan obviously backfired.

So you think the game plan was bend over and hope for the best? I hope the leader of the Free World has a little more backbone than that.

No idea why he didn't feel like punching back.

Romney will screw this up the minute he steps back on the bus. They should lock him in a closet until the next debate.

Mitt Romney is still Mitt Romney.

 

[drummer]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

 

[sublimeone]

Dennis Miller: "Obama better hope that a "kicked ###" is covered under Obamacare".

 

[pittstownkiller]

I think I agree with Bill Clinton's assessment of Barack Obama: Amateur.

You ain't hard to please.

So please me.

 

[HellToupee]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

Nowhere. Along with his spending cuts, and health care reform plans.

He's not getting my vote until I see these details.

ok then

 

[drummer]

I think I agree with Bill Clinton's assessment of Barack Obama: Amateur.

You ain't hard to please.

So please me.

Here is cookie. See?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Is this the last we see of Jim Lehrer moderating a debate? He was useless.

I thought he was perfect and never got in the way.

Have to blame it on something.

Obama's lack of fight had nothing to do with Lehrer.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Romney really slammed him good when he asked why he spent 2 years working on Obamacare and not jobs.

One of several reasons why Romney is getting my support.

Maybe they were just saving this for late in the game but the outcry against Obamacare needs to come front and center. Time for the folks who swore they would vote Obama out of office to stand up and be counted. I think Romney could have landed even more punches. He waited a long time to bring up 50 million people on food stamps, up over 150% since obama has taken office. Maybe Romney didn't want to sound like a jerk but it should have been discussed more. Romney also managed to land punches while still being respectful. That line about not knowing what Obama was talking about, that will be run over and over and over...

 

[HellToupee]

I thought there was about a 2/3 chance Obama would "lose," and that seems to have come true. It was a win of style. There will be a backlash on the substance for Mitt, but as far as what the debate is good for (image), Mitt made up some ground.

Obama won't be as passive in nights two and three, especially if the needle moves. I think they banked on just getting through the night without damage, but that plan obviously backfired.

So you think the game plan was bend over and hope for the best? I hope the leader of the Free World has a little more backbone than that.

No idea why he didn't feel like punching back.

Romney will screw this up the minute he steps back on the bus. They should lock him in a closet until the next debate.

Mitt Romney is still Mitt Romney.

You saw Mitt Romney tonight. This is guy who was the Gov of MA

 

[LHUCKS]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

I get that, but I need somthing more than big ideas without any detail whatsoever.Listen, Romney gets my vote because philosophically we align on the economy and how to stimulate it. That being said, you can't just throw big ideas out there like that with zero detail...even potential loopholes and deduction eliminations would be a start.

 

[CrossEyed]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

Why is that funny? If you say you are going to close loopholes and eliminate deductions, what's wrong with waiting until you can sit down with the other elected leaders to decide which ones will be included?

 

[HellToupee]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

I get that, but I need somthing more than big ideas without any detail whatsoever.Listen, Romney gets my vote because philosophically we align on the economy and how to stimulate it. That being said, you can't just throw big ideas out there like that with zero detail...even potential loopholes and deduction eliminations would be a start.

Cripes all Obama gave was hope & change

 

[pittstownkiller]

I wonder how Obama now feels about Kerry prepping him for Romney

Obama probably sees a lot of Kerry in himself; they both have lived charmed lives and seem like they are in over their heads.

 

[Politician Spock]

I thought there was about a 2/3 chance Obama would "lose," and that seems to have come true. It was a win of style. There will be a backlash on the substance for Mitt, but as far as what the debate is good for (image), Mitt made up some ground.

Obama won't be as passive in nights two and three, especially if the needle moves. I think they banked on just getting through the night without damage, but that plan obviously backfired.

So you think the game plan was bend over and hope for the best? I hope the leader of the Free World has a little more backbone than that.

No idea why he didn't feel like punching back.

Romney will screw this up the minute he steps back on the bus. They should lock him in a closet until the next debate.

Mitt Romney is still Mitt Romney.

You saw Mitt Romney tonight. This is guy who was the Gov of MA

Um yeah.... that's the guy I actually don't like. He's very much a moderate.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I only caught about half an hour of the debate and see that everyone is saying Obama got his clock cleaned. What I watched was Romney backpeddling on everything he has ran on so far and reinventing himself yet again. So apparently voters like the reboot. And they are buying into voodoo economics. Romney 1Math 0

Romney has made the fact check popular and necessary and I think we need to weed through that. That said, it was more demeanor and energy. Obama, as I stated, and later I heard at least James Carville say the same thing, simply looked like he didn't want to be there. He didn't seem to me like he wanted an exchange of ideas, but what I really think happened is, Leher was so unbelievably awful, I wonder if that did't throw Obama off his game that a boxing match turned into a street fight. Gotta roll with the punches and adapt though, Romney steered it, got away with it and Obama was in react mode all night, not attack, although they spent early time on Romney's plan or lack thereof

 

[CrossEyed]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

I get that, but I need somthing more than big ideas without any detail whatsoever.Listen, Romney gets my vote because philosophically we align on the economy and how to stimulate it. That being said, you can't just throw big ideas out there like that with zero detail...even potential loopholes and deduction eliminations would be a start.

Cripes all Obama gave was hope & change

Sure, but it was hope AND change...that's pretty detailed.

 

[drummer]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

Why is that funny? If you say you are going to close loopholes and eliminate deductions, what's wrong with waiting until you can sit down with the other elected leaders to decide which ones will be included?

It's saying "Get me in the back door, and I'll make this up as I go along". That isn't the problem in so much as you buy that.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

Nowhere. Along with his spending cuts, and health care reform plans.

He's not getting my vote until I see these details.

The only time I thought Obama scored any points is when he tried to pin Mitt down on this, and Mitt all but conceded that he didn't have or need a specific plan. Obama was too passive even there though. Mitt right now is trying to be Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy all rolled up in one. He's cutting taxes, but not cutting taxes. He's cutting spending (unspecified except poor PBS), but increasing spending (Defense). He's putting money back into Medicare and guaranteeing coverage, but not saying how it will be paid for. For the most part he got away with it tonight.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It would seem like Obama wanted to come out and establish Romney as wanting a huge unachievable tax cut for rich cats...he must have made a slimy comment about wealthy people a half dozen times. When that didn't work things started to unravel quickly for Obama.

Obama is playing to the poor and those living off the government, that I get but those people were not watching tonight, honestly they weren't.

 

[GoBirds]

“I just don’t know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the kitchen table,” Romney said, “and spent his energy and passion for two years fighting for Obamacare instead of fighting for jobs for the American people

Nail on the Head

 

[drummer]

I wonder how Obama now feels about Kerry prepping him for Romney

Obama probably sees a lot of Kerry in himself; they both have lived charmed lives and seem like they are in over their heads.

Very easy to please

 

[wazoo11]

Neil deGrasse Tyson ‏@neiltysonCutting PBS support (0.012% of budget) to help balance the Federal budget is like deleting text files to make room on your 500Gig hard drive

 

[LHUCKS]

Through the first two segments now, Romney is very impressive IMHO.

Prepared, compassionate, articulate, specific...better than expected.

Obama hasn't been terrible, Romney is just razor sharp.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I wonder how Obama now feels about Kerry prepping him for Romney

Obama probably sees a lot of Kerry in himself; they both have lived charmed lives and seem like they are in over their heads.

Very easy to please

Au contraire, I'm easily disappointed; Obama has done enough of that for me.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

It would seem like Obama wanted to come out and establish Romney as wanting a huge unachievable tax cut for rich cats...he must have made a slimy comment about wealthy people a half dozen times. When that didn't work things started to unravel quickly for Obama. Obama is playing to the poor and those living off the government, that I get but those people were not watching tonight, honestly they weren't.

I think Obama was legitimately thrown when Romney said that he wasn't proposing a tax cut. He's been saying that his plan is revenue neutral for a while, but the subtle shift in language I thought was interesting.

 

[mr roboto]

Didn't watch. Can I get a fairly non partisan breakdown on why Mitt 'won'?

 

[LHUCKS]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

I get that, but I need somthing more than big ideas without any detail whatsoever.Listen, Romney gets my vote because philosophically we align on the economy and how to stimulate it. That being said, you can't just throw big ideas out there like that with zero detail...even potential loopholes and deduction eliminations would be a start.

Cripes all Obama gave was hope & change

It was actually worse than that, he basically lied about his healthcare plans.

 

[drummer]

I wonder how Obama now feels about Kerry prepping him for Romney

Obama probably sees a lot of Kerry in himself; they both have lived charmed lives and seem like they are in over their heads.

Very easy to please

Au contraire, I'm easily disappointed; Obama has done enough of that for me.

Well I'm sure you'll be devastated into bliss with Romney.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

I get that, but I need somthing more than big ideas without any detail whatsoever.Listen, Romney gets my vote because philosophically we align on the economy and how to stimulate it. That being said, you can't just throw big ideas out there like that with zero detail...even potential loopholes and deduction eliminations would be a start.

Cripes all Obama gave was hope & change

Sure, but it was hope AND change...that's pretty detailed.

This is foolish commentary. Obama and McCain both had significantly more details behind their proposal than what Romney has offered. McCain didn't run on "America First".