Presidential Debate Thread - Obama vs. Romney (2 Viewers)

[pittstownkiller]

Didn't watch. Can I get a fairly non partisan breakdown on why Mitt 'won'?

Mitt seemed thoroughly more prepared and that is all it really came down to.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It would seem like Obama wanted to come out and establish Romney as wanting a huge unachievable tax cut for rich cats...he must have made a slimy comment about wealthy people a half dozen times. When that didn't work things started to unravel quickly for Obama.

Obama is playing to the poor and those living off the government, that I get but those people were not watching tonight, honestly they weren't.

I think Obama was legitimately thrown when Romney said that he wasn't proposing a tax cut. He's been saying that his plan is revenue neutral for a while, but the subtle shift in language I thought was interesting.

And that would make sense and possibly why Obama got disinterested once Romney was going to either flat out lie or change directions mid debate. Obama did make a comment "Oh well" or something referencing that Romney was not owning up to his previous 18 months. I'm sure Obama will be waiting with guns loaded on the next debate. Romney was great tonight, we'll see what happens after the halftime adjustments.Oh and Lincoln-Nov 18th release looks awesome.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

I get that, but I need somthing more than big ideas without any detail whatsoever.Listen, Romney gets my vote because philosophically we align on the economy and how to stimulate it. That being said, you can't just throw big ideas out there like that with zero detail...even potential loopholes and deduction eliminations would be a start.

Cripes all Obama gave was hope & change

It was actually worse than that, he basically lied about his healthcare plans.

Insomuch as what was enacted is far more conservative than the platform he ran on? Yes.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

"I just don't know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the kitchen table," Romney said, "and spent his energy and passion for two years fighting for Obamacare instead of fighting for jobs for the American peopleNail on the Head

One of the best things uttered all night.

 

[Politician Spock]

Didn't watch. Can I get a fairly non partisan breakdown on why Mitt 'won'?

Something about replacement refs and Mitt being a liar.

 

[jonessed]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

I get that, but I need somthing more than big ideas without any detail whatsoever.Listen, Romney gets my vote because philosophically we align on the economy and how to stimulate it. That being said, you can't just throw big ideas out there like that with zero detail...even potential loopholes and deduction eliminations would be a start.

Cripes all Obama gave was hope & change

It was actually worse than that, he basically lied about his healthcare plans.

Insomuch as what was enacted is far more conservative than the platform he ran on? Yes.

Good thing he never gave the details.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I wonder how Obama now feels about Kerry prepping him for Romney

Obama probably sees a lot of Kerry in himself; they both have lived charmed lives and seem like they are in over their heads.

Very easy to please

Au contraire, I'm easily disappointed; Obama has done enough of that for me.

Well I'm sure you'll be devastated into bliss with Romney.

Unlike with Obama, I am confident that my best feeling about a President Romney will not be limited to his inauguration day.

 

[drummer]

I wonder how Obama now feels about Kerry prepping him for Romney

Obama probably sees a lot of Kerry in himself; they both have lived charmed lives and seem like they are in over their heads.

Very easy to please

Au contraire, I'm easily disappointed; Obama has done enough of that for me.

Well I'm sure you'll be devastated into bliss with Romney.

Unlike with Obama, I am confident that my best feeling about a President Romney will not be limited to his inauguration day.

Because you're very easy to please with platitudes and magic theory. And cookies.

 

[tommyboy]

i was busy working and just sat down and read a few things online about the debate. over at CNN they have romney winning the debate 67%-25%. On MSNBC they're having a meltdown and Andrew Sullivan called it "a disaster". Huffpo big bold headline "Romney Wins the Night". Sounds like i'm on my way to picking up $2000

 

[drummer]

i was busy working and just sat down and read a few things online about the debate. over at CNN they have romney winning the debate 67%-25%. On MSNBC they're having a meltdown and Andrew Sullivan called it "a disaster". Huffpo big bold headline "Romney Wins the Night". Sounds like i'm on my way to picking up $2000

He is still Mitt Romney.

 

[Dinkle Heimer]

Didn't watch. Can I get a fairly non partisan breakdown on why Mitt 'won'?

I'm not non-partisan, but Romney was succint, to the point, and seem very prepared. Obama seemed unprepared and talked too long; failing to make effective sound bytes.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

I get that, but I need somthing more than big ideas without any detail whatsoever.Listen, Romney gets my vote because philosophically we align on the economy and how to stimulate it. That being said, you can't just throw big ideas out there like that with zero detail...even potential loopholes and deduction eliminations would be a start.

Cripes all Obama gave was hope & change

It was actually worse than that, he basically lied about his healthcare plans.

Insomuch as what was enacted is far more conservative than the platform he ran on? Yes.

Good thing he never gave the details.

There were obviously plenty. At a meta-level, of course, Romney is right, no specific plan is going to enacted exactly as it exists in a platform. I don't think that excuses a candidate from sharing his vision of how those details should play out, particularly when many of the notions are directly contradictory as is the case with Romney's plans right now.

 

[Zegras11]

His final statement was bizarre...

Just fumbled around.... and then, "I'll try just as hard" WTF is that?

 

[pittstownkiller]

I wonder how Obama now feels about Kerry prepping him for Romney

Obama probably sees a lot of Kerry in himself; they both have lived charmed lives and seem like they are in over their heads.

Very easy to please

Au contraire, I'm easily disappointed; Obama has done enough of that for me.

Well I'm sure you'll be devastated into bliss with Romney.

Unlike with Obama, I am confident that my best feeling about a President Romney will not be limited to his inauguration day.

Because you're very easy to please with platitudes and magic theory. And cookies.

Yes, every Romney supporter is stupid, we got it. If only us dumb American(')s could understand your heady progressive principles, or better yet just leave it up to your elitist friends and you, then we could just live in the utopia that you are so sure that your philosophies will produce this time. "Let them eat cake" - DNC 2012.

 

[Goat Herders]

i was busy working and just sat down and read a few things online about the debate. over at CNN they have romney winning the debate 67%-25%. On MSNBC they're having a meltdown and Andrew Sullivan called it "a disaster". Huffpo big bold headline "Romney Wins the Night". Sounds like i'm on my way to picking up $2000

Good thing for you the election is tomorrow and all the voters watched tonight and used the debate as their sole factot in making a decision. Congrats bro.

 

[LHUCKS]

It really doesn't matter who won, what matters is what do the undecided Florida voters think. I'd like to see those numbers.

 

[chet]

“I just don’t know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the kitchen table,” Romney said, “and spent his energy and passion for two years fighting for Obamacare instead of fighting for jobs for the American peopleNail on the Head

And exactly what I've been saying. Obama has failed. Time for change.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

i was busy working and just sat down and read a few things online about the debate. over at CNN they have romney winning the debate 67%-25%. On MSNBC they're having a meltdown and Andrew Sullivan called it "a disaster". Huffpo big bold headline "Romney Wins the Night". Sounds like i'm on my way to picking up $2000

I'll double it up whenever you're ready.

 

[pittstownkiller]

It really doesn't matter who won, what matters is what do the undecided Florida Colorado voters think. I'd like to see those numbers.

Fixed

 

[drummer]

“I just don’t know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the kitchen table,” Romney said, “and spent his energy and passion for two years fighting for Obamacare instead of fighting for jobs for the American peopleNail on the Head

And exactly what I've been saying. Obama has failed. Time for change.

 

[NutterButter]

i was busy working and just sat down and read a few things online about the debate. over at CNN they have romney winning the debate 67%-25%. On MSNBC they're having a meltdown and Andrew Sullivan called it "a disaster". Huffpo big bold headline "Romney Wins the Night". Sounds like i'm on my way to picking up $2000

Good thing for you the election is tomorrow and all the voters watched tonight and used the debate as their sole factot in making a decision. Congrats bro.

Let them have their moment. At least now they don't have to say their greatest moment of this campaign was some old guy talking to an empty chair.

 

[Black Sunshine]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

They aren't. He is lying out of his loophole.

 

[LHUCKS]

Great arguments made by Romney differentiating Romneycare from Obamacare.

 

[bigbottom]

Well damn. I started this thread and then ended up missing the debate. Played Scrabble with my son instead.

 

[snowmonkey501]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

That's the message Obama keeps hammering home. There are no details. As Clinton mentioned, he's wants to be elected POTUS and then he'll let us know.

you have to elect him first to find out whats in him. pelosi rules apply here imo

 

[LHUCKS]

“I just don’t know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the kitchen table,” Romney said, “and spent his energy and passion for two years fighting for Obamacare instead of fighting for jobs for the American peopleNail on the Head

And exactly what I've been saying. Obama has failed. Time for change.

 

[Dinkle Heimer]

Great arguments made by Romney differentiating Romneycare from Obamacare.

Romney won the debate handily; but he pulled an Obama and began flubbering around in the HC part of the debate.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It really doesn't matter who won, what matters is what do the undecided Florida voters think. I'd like to see those numbers.

This is the absolute truth. Somehow there is going to be a stink one way or the other. And with all the tensions going on down here involving race, this could get ugly.

 

[tommyGunZ]

"I just don't know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the kitchen table," Romney said, "and spent his energy and passion for two years fighting for Obamacare instead of fighting for jobs for the American peopleNail on the Head

One of the best things uttered all night.

The idea that Obama neglected the economy while devoting 100% of his time and energy on healthcare is crazy.

 

[jonessed]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

I get that, but I need somthing more than big ideas without any detail whatsoever.Listen, Romney gets my vote because philosophically we align on the economy and how to stimulate it. That being said, you can't just throw big ideas out there like that with zero detail...even potential loopholes and deduction eliminations would be a start.

Cripes all Obama gave was hope & change

It was actually worse than that, he basically lied about his healthcare plans.

Insomuch as what was enacted is far more conservative than the platform he ran on? Yes.

Good thing he never gave the details.

There were obviously plenty. At a meta-level, of course, Romney is right, no specific plan is going to enacted exactly as it exists in a platform. I don't think that excuses a candidate from sharing his vision of how those details should play out, particularly when many of the notions are directly contradictory as is the case with Romney's plans right now.

Did you check Romney's web page? He offers more detail there.Obama was actually very general about his healthcare plan when he was running. It worked out well for him as he adopted a lot of Hillary's ideas when he became the candidate.

 

[tommyboy]

my god this is funny. enjoy the meltdown

 

[tommyGunZ]

Lots of chatter from my conservative friends on fbook tonight. About an hour ago, I updated my status:

Still offering up $100 wagers to anyone who wants to take Romney.

Guess how many takers?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Jen Psaki spinning the hell out of this

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

I get that, but I need somthing more than big ideas without any detail whatsoever.Listen, Romney gets my vote because philosophically we align on the economy and how to stimulate it. That being said, you can't just throw big ideas out there like that with zero detail...even potential loopholes and deduction eliminations would be a start.

Cripes all Obama gave was hope & change

It was actually worse than that, he basically lied about his healthcare plans.

Insomuch as what was enacted is far more conservative than the platform he ran on? Yes.

Good thing he never gave the details.

There were obviously plenty. At a meta-level, of course, Romney is right, no specific plan is going to enacted exactly as it exists in a platform. I don't think that excuses a candidate from sharing his vision of how those details should play out, particularly when many of the notions are directly contradictory as is the case with Romney's plans right now.

Did you check Romney's web page? He offers more detail there.Obama was actually very general about his healthcare plan when he was running. It worked out well for him as he adopted a lot of Hillary's ideas when he became the candidate.

Romney has less than 400 words on his website about health care. The level of detail is non-existent to either Obama or McCain in 2008.

 

[sublimeone]

Obama choked

 

[tommyGunZ]

my god this is funny. enjoy the meltdownhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-Tk9Av-kNUg#!

Thanks tommyboy, you've just provided a link to the difference between FoxNews and MSNBC.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

"I just don't know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the kitchen table," Romney said, "and spent his energy and passion for two years fighting for Obamacare instead of fighting for jobs for the American peopleNail on the Head

One of the best things uttered all night.

The idea that Obama neglected the economy while devoting 100% of his time and energy on healthcare is crazy.

How much of his time did he spend with Pelosi trying to get this done as quick as he could? What % would you put on it because the House did nothing in 2009/2010 other than Obamacare which culminated in the GOP taking over the House...were you awake during this period?

 

[Claydon]

Media will end up tearing Romney apart on his BS....they can only criticize Obama for being a bit passive.

What does Obama have to gain by coming out swinging now? Nothing, he is already ahead of Romney. Third debate will come around and Obama will be on fire.

Just watch.

 

[jonessed]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

I get that, but I need somthing more than big ideas without any detail whatsoever.Listen, Romney gets my vote because philosophically we align on the economy and how to stimulate it. That being said, you can't just throw big ideas out there like that with zero detail...even potential loopholes and deduction eliminations would be a start.

Cripes all Obama gave was hope & change

It was actually worse than that, he basically lied about his healthcare plans.

Insomuch as what was enacted is far more conservative than the platform he ran on? Yes.

Good thing he never gave the details.

There were obviously plenty. At a meta-level, of course, Romney is right, no specific plan is going to enacted exactly as it exists in a platform. I don't think that excuses a candidate from sharing his vision of how those details should play out, particularly when many of the notions are directly contradictory as is the case with Romney's plans right now.

Did you check Romney's web page? He offers more detail there.Obama was actually very general about his healthcare plan when he was running. It worked out well for him as he adopted a lot of Hillary's ideas when he became the candidate.

Romney has less than 400 words on his website about health care. The level of detail is non-existent to either Obama or McCain in 2008.

How many words did Obama have?

 

[pittstownkiller]

Lots of chatter from my conservative friends on fbook tonight. About an hour ago, I updated my status:

Still offering up $100 wagers to anyone who wants to take Romney.

Guess how many takers?

Is this one of those scientific polls that I hear so much about?

 

[drummer]

Lots of chatter from my conservative friends on fbook tonight. About an hour ago, I updated my status:

Still offering up $100 wagers to anyone who wants to take Romney.

Guess how many takers?

Is this one of those scientific polls that I hear so much about?

GunZ is taking bets. That's what should interest you.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

my god this is funny. enjoy the meltdown

Mathews makes Romney sound like a schoolyard bully...I smell Victicrats on the horizon.

 

[NutterButter]

The looopholes and deductions that Romney plans on closing....where are these outlined?Devil is in the details, as always.

As Giulani stated, the details have to be negotiated after you get elected and begin working with the governing bodies involved. You can't really give all of the details, because you need to be willing to work with everyone involved.

I get that, but I need somthing more than big ideas without any detail whatsoever.Listen, Romney gets my vote because philosophically we align on the economy and how to stimulate it. That being said, you can't just throw big ideas out there like that with zero detail...even potential loopholes and deduction eliminations would be a start.

Cripes all Obama gave was hope & change

It was actually worse than that, he basically lied about his healthcare plans.

Insomuch as what was enacted is far more conservative than the platform he ran on? Yes.

Good thing he never gave the details.

There were obviously plenty. At a meta-level, of course, Romney is right, no specific plan is going to enacted exactly as it exists in a platform. I don't think that excuses a candidate from sharing his vision of how those details should play out, particularly when many of the notions are directly contradictory as is the case with Romney's plans right now.

Did you check Romney's web page? He offers more detail there.Obama was actually very general about his healthcare plan when he was running. It worked out well for him as he adopted a lot of Hillary's ideas when he became the candidate.

Romney has less than 400 words on his website about health care. The level of detail is non-existent to either Obama or McCain in 2008.

I love how there's all these specifics about tax cuts and making other taxes permanent, but nothing specific about deductions. So let me get this straight, he's going to work with congress to figure out the deductions, but as far as the cuts, he's got that all figured out; 20% across the board.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Jen Psaki spinning the hell out of this

I haven't seen someone toss her credibility away so badly since Susan Rice insisted that the attack in Benghazi was a protest because of a movie.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Jen Psaki spinning the hell out of this

I haven't seen someone toss her credibility away so badly since Susan Rice insisted that the attack in Benghazi was a protest because of a movie.

20 seconds in and I was thinking she better be making her entire life earnings in the next 3-4 weeks because she sounds like she lives on the moon.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Well damn. I started this thread and then ended up missing the debate. Played Scrabble with my son instead.

"Curbstomp" for a triple word score.

 

[tommyGunZ]

"I just don't know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the kitchen table," Romney said, "and spent his energy and passion for two years fighting for Obamacare instead of fighting for jobs for the American peopleNail on the Head

One of the best things uttered all night.

The idea that Obama neglected the economy while devoting 100% of his time and energy on healthcare is crazy.

How much of his time did he spend with Pelosi trying to get this done as quick as he could? What % would you put on it because the House did nothing in 2009/2010 other than Obamacare which culminated in the GOP taking over the House...were you awake during this period?

The stimulus, auto-bailouts, credit card act, the fair pay act, Dodd-Frank, and repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell were "nothing"?

 

[bigbottom]

"I just don't know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the kitchen table," Romney said, "and spent his energy and passion for two years fighting for Obamacare instead of fighting for jobs for the American peopleNail on the Head

One of the best things uttered all night.

The idea that Obama neglected the economy while devoting 100% of his time and energy on healthcare is crazy.

How much of his time did he spend with Pelosi trying to get this done as quick as he could? What % would you put on it because the House did nothing in 2009/2010 other than Obamacare which culminated in the GOP taking over the House...were you awake during this period?

What about the history-making bajillion dollar stimulus bill that the right has been complaining about for going on two years now?

 

[Jim11]

Media will end up tearing Romney apart on his BS....they can only criticize Obama for being a bit passive.

What does Obama have to gain by coming out swinging now? Nothing, he is already ahead of Romney. Third debate will come around and Obama will be on fire.

Just watch.

Just keep telling yourself that and maybe you'll believe it. Obama was lost tonight...no teleprompter.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Lots of chatter from my conservative friends on fbook tonight. About an hour ago, I updated my status:

Still offering up $100 wagers to anyone who wants to take Romney.

Guess how many takers?

Is this one of those scientific polls that I hear so much about?

Care to put your $ where your mouth is?