Presidential Debate Thread - Obama vs. Romney (5 Viewers)

[pantherclub]

Obviously someone is not going to drive around town looking for the lowest price. You buy gas where you are, when you need it..

Best and worst gas prices in charlotte area

Cheapest price inside of Charlotte Meck is $3.57 highest is $3.87 Typical rate is around $3.75 as I drive..

Also, I'm usually buying Exxon gas. My company gas account is with Exxon.. Which is a little higher..

Company gas account? If your company pays for or reimburses your gas, why are you counting that as a personal expense?And if the gas expense is your personal expense, why would you buy gas at a more expensive station? Moreover, if gas was such a significant expense for my household, and my job required me to drive around all day anyway, I'd know where all the cheapest stations were and make an effort to fill up at those locations. You complain that Obama isn't doing enough with gas prices, but you aren't even making an effort to reduce fuel expenses for your own household, instead choosing to fill up whenever and wherever.

My company gas account and my personal gas account are one in the same since I own the company and it's an S-corp. And the differnce between gas stations as I've driven around today was in the neighborhood of 6 cent, I'm not going out of my way for a 6 cent per gallon difference. I live and work in the south charlotte area, prices on this side of town on the average are higher it seems, I'm not driving to eastway to get gas.. If I happen to be in an area where gas is cheaper and it looks like I'll need to fill up soon, I'll get gas.

Out of curiosity, why did you get a company gas account with Exxon if it's usually higher in terms of gas prices?

But that really doesn't address the issue. Gas prices are high and make up a large portion of expenses for a guy in my line of buisness.

No argument there. I was merely commenting on an apparent disconnect when someone who complains about gas prices doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything to reduce his household's fuel costs.

We had 3 company gas accounts going into 2008.. The economy got tight and buisness slowed. The credit card companies, in an attempt to limit their exposure started lowering the credit allowances on many of our credit cards. Some closing the accounts all together. Afterwards I was left with 1 gas account. I could probably look into getting more accounts open, but with everything else we have going on it's low on the totem pole as far as priorities go. Gas as a whole is very expensive everywhere, I could save 6 cent per gallon from time to time maybe but I will still be left with the opinion that gas is too expensive..

You let your wife and kid drive over 300 miles each a week?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You said no one that's educated believes energy independence but the 5th largest country in the world is already there. Who is displaying willful ignorance?

Let's please not jump off subject. I know you like to do that, but I asked you if you could see the differences between why Brazil can do this vs the US and you gave me some smartass answer that didn't answer my question. I can only assume that you either didn't know the answer or didn't want to acknowledge the answer because you didn't answer.I stand by my comment though I see I need to clarify I was talking about the US becoming energy independent. I just don't see the US becoming energy independent. There's too much money to be made in the global market. I'm not the only one that thinks this either.

Because Brazil isn't a player in the global market... O' wait..

 

[The Commish]

The key question, regarding gas prices, is whether or not a Romney presidency will result in lower gas prices. I have heard no evidence to suggest that it will, besides some sort of vague "if we drill more, that will lower the price!" which, given the nature of the international marketplace, is not convincing.Thus, just as with foreign affairs, I don't regard gas prices as a reason to vote either for or against Romney or for or against Obama. The differences between the two men on these issues are not substantial.

How do you feel about energy independence by 2020?

How is one in a global market "independent" from a global market commodity? There's no such thing. Even if we were to become the world leader in energy, the global economy would still impact us when it comes to pricing.

You think OPEC will sit by idly.

If they throttle production, they'll be cutting their own throats.

And ours...that's how global markets work and that's my point. I don't really know many educated people that buy into the term "energy independent"

Brazil called and said they disagree. But they are all uneducated I guess.

Can you see how the Brazil situation just might be a little different from the United States? It's not exactly apples to apples.

The Brazil situation at the very least proves it's possible...

For a country like Brazil, yes.

 

[17seconds]

Could this debate be any more meaningless?

NFL is on. NLCS is on. It's about foreign policy, not the #1 issue.

Unless one of the candidate takes a dump on the stage this will be forgotten.

 

[Brady Marino]

Tonight, this is the only way the world will hear discussion on the NDAA bill that allows Americans to be detained illegally.

 

[pantherclub]

I am still waiting to hear Hustler explain how his daughter and wife drive 50 miles a day in Charlotte. His excuse should be awesome.

 

[Slapdash]

Tonight, this is the only way the world will hear discussion on the NDAA bill that allows Americans to be detained illegally.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

$100-$110 to fill up, I fill up 3-4 times a week, multiplied by 4.2, leaves me somewhere between $1,250 and $1,850/month; them we have the wife's 70+ mile work commute /day - $1,200/month seems very reasonable to me.

Holy cow, man. Unless you're in the delivery business or a trucker, that's an insane amount of fuel consumption. My wife and I have two vehicles, and live an hour from anywhere. Yet we don't consume more than 700 gallons of fuel between us in a year. Haven't for the past nine years. And a lot of that is "recreational" too. My wife visiting family, or running around with the kids. I personally consume about 265 gallons of fuel/year. And if I use the middle of your range and assume $4/gallon for gas (round number, to make the math easier), that's 375 gallons/month of fuel consumption...just for you! Excluding your wife, from the sounds of it.

So the earlier question was actually reasonable then: Do you drive a tank?!

Even if I drive my 5.9L 4wd "tank" 100 miles per day I'm not near $1200/month. If we're talking household, sure. I have 6 cars, 4 of which are driven daily.

I drive a 5.9L 4wd, and I'm close to that.. But yes, we were talking about a household, not an individual vehicle. You can't measure what your family spends on food if you only count what you spend on milk..An average of 100 miles a day is probably high if you live in city and have a desk job, but is probably low if you own a service buisness.

- primary vehicle (many variables here, depending on who drives the most, husband or wife, and what each of them drive)

100 miles per day @ 15 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $186.66 per week = $9706.66 per year

- Secondary vehicle

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

- Third vehicle if household includes 1 child of driving age who drives to school/community college/other events.

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

$16,324.84 a year ($1360.30 per month) is a lot of money..

There are many work vehicles in the service industry that get worse than 15 mpg (including my truck). And there are many (most) who drive more than 100 miles per day. Obviously there are also people who can walk to work as well, or use mass transit..

What I'm trying to explain though, these service industry workers/buisness owners are mostly part of the lower middle class and gas prices are killing them. Most of them pay more for gas on a monthly basis then they pay on mortgage/rent.. Gas prices have a huge impact on the middle class

Where in Gods name do you live where your wife and kid both drive 50 miles a day? Jesus Christ dude don't try and take us for fools.

If your wife works and shops, and does child related errands, she'll easily drive 50 miles.. I really don't get your position on that.. My son drives 11 miles to school, and 11 back, he also does a lot of driving for football and school related events, when he had a job he was driving 19 miles from football practice to work and the approx 9 miles home from there, and he and his friends do a bit of running around.. Ultimately my son probably does not drive 50 miles a day, and I never said he did, I was just giving a rough calculation. He probably drives around 35-40 miles per day on average. My youngest brother who lives at home (with my parents) drives from Matthews to UNC every day for school, on top of that he has work and recreation outside of work. He likes to mountain bike. He easily drives more than 50 miles per day..And regarding the "fools".. There are quite a few of those around here regardless of gas prices and my family's driving habits.. To refute someone else's driving mileage without having any clue of what that can be, might squarely place you in that category..

 

[pittstownkiller]

Obviously someone is not going to drive around town looking for the lowest price. You buy gas where you are, when you need it..

Best and worst gas prices in charlotte area

Cheapest price inside of Charlotte Meck is $3.57 highest is $3.87 Typical rate is around $3.75 as I drive..

Also, I'm usually buying Exxon gas. My company gas account is with Exxon.. Which is a little higher..

Company gas account? If your company pays for or reimburses your gas, why are you counting that as a personal expense?And if the gas expense is your personal expense, why would you buy gas at a more expensive station? Moreover, if gas was such a significant expense for my household, and my job required me to drive around all day anyway, I'd know where all the cheapest stations were and make an effort to fill up at those locations. You complain that Obama isn't doing enough with gas prices, but you aren't even making an effort to reduce fuel expenses for your own household, instead choosing to fill up whenever and wherever.

My company gas account and my personal gas account are one in the same since I own the company and it's an S-corp. And the differnce between gas stations as I've driven around today was in the neighborhood of 6 cent, I'm not going out of my way for a 6 cent per gallon difference. I live and work in the south charlotte area, prices on this side of town on the average are higher it seems, I'm not driving to eastway to get gas.. If I happen to be in an area where gas is cheaper and it looks like I'll need to fill up soon, I'll get gas.

Out of curiosity, why did you get a company gas account with Exxon if it's usually higher in terms of gas prices?

But that really doesn't address the issue. Gas prices are high and make up a large portion of expenses for a guy in my line of buisness.

No argument there. I was merely commenting on an apparent disconnect when someone who complains about gas prices doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything to reduce his household's fuel costs.

We had 3 company gas accounts going into 2008.. The economy got tight and buisness slowed. The credit card companies, in an attempt to limit their exposure started lowering the credit allowances on many of our credit cards. Some closing the accounts all together. Afterwards I was left with 1 gas account. I could probably look into getting more accounts open, but with everything else we have going on it's low on the totem pole as far as priorities go. Gas as a whole is very expensive everywhere, I could save 6 cent per gallon from time to time maybe but I will still be left with the opinion that gas is too expensive..

You let your wife and kid drive over 300 miles each a week?

My wife and kid drive 500+ each week; does that make me a good guy, or a bad guy, in your view?

 

[pantherclub]

Obviously someone is not going to drive around town looking for the lowest price. You buy gas where you are, when you need it..

Best and worst gas prices in charlotte area

Cheapest price inside of Charlotte Meck is $3.57 highest is $3.87 Typical rate is around $3.75 as I drive..

Also, I'm usually buying Exxon gas. My company gas account is with Exxon.. Which is a little higher..

Company gas account? If your company pays for or reimburses your gas, why are you counting that as a personal expense?And if the gas expense is your personal expense, why would you buy gas at a more expensive station? Moreover, if gas was such a significant expense for my household, and my job required me to drive around all day anyway, I'd know where all the cheapest stations were and make an effort to fill up at those locations. You complain that Obama isn't doing enough with gas prices, but you aren't even making an effort to reduce fuel expenses for your own household, instead choosing to fill up whenever and wherever.

My company gas account and my personal gas account are one in the same since I own the company and it's an S-corp. And the differnce between gas stations as I've driven around today was in the neighborhood of 6 cent, I'm not going out of my way for a 6 cent per gallon difference. I live and work in the south charlotte area, prices on this side of town on the average are higher it seems, I'm not driving to eastway to get gas.. If I happen to be in an area where gas is cheaper and it looks like I'll need to fill up soon, I'll get gas.

Out of curiosity, why did you get a company gas account with Exxon if it's usually higher in terms of gas prices?

But that really doesn't address the issue. Gas prices are high and make up a large portion of expenses for a guy in my line of buisness.

No argument there. I was merely commenting on an apparent disconnect when someone who complains about gas prices doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything to reduce his household's fuel costs.

We had 3 company gas accounts going into 2008.. The economy got tight and buisness slowed. The credit card companies, in an attempt to limit their exposure started lowering the credit allowances on many of our credit cards. Some closing the accounts all together. Afterwards I was left with 1 gas account. I could probably look into getting more accounts open, but with everything else we have going on it's low on the totem pole as far as priorities go. Gas as a whole is very expensive everywhere, I could save 6 cent per gallon from time to time maybe but I will still be left with the opinion that gas is too expensive..

You let your wife and kid drive over 300 miles each a week?

My wife and kid drive 500+ each week; does that make me a good guy, or a bad guy, in your view?

It either makes you a moron or a liar.

 

[17seconds]

Obviously someone is not going to drive around town looking for the lowest price. You buy gas where you are, when you need it..

Best and worst gas prices in charlotte area

Cheapest price inside of Charlotte Meck is $3.57 highest is $3.87 Typical rate is around $3.75 as I drive..

Also, I'm usually buying Exxon gas. My company gas account is with Exxon.. Which is a little higher..

Company gas account? If your company pays for or reimburses your gas, why are you counting that as a personal expense?And if the gas expense is your personal expense, why would you buy gas at a more expensive station? Moreover, if gas was such a significant expense for my household, and my job required me to drive around all day anyway, I'd know where all the cheapest stations were and make an effort to fill up at those locations. You complain that Obama isn't doing enough with gas prices, but you aren't even making an effort to reduce fuel expenses for your own household, instead choosing to fill up whenever and wherever.

My company gas account and my personal gas account are one in the same since I own the company and it's an S-corp. And the differnce between gas stations as I've driven around today was in the neighborhood of 6 cent, I'm not going out of my way for a 6 cent per gallon difference. I live and work in the south charlotte area, prices on this side of town on the average are higher it seems, I'm not driving to eastway to get gas.. If I happen to be in an area where gas is cheaper and it looks like I'll need to fill up soon, I'll get gas.

Out of curiosity, why did you get a company gas account with Exxon if it's usually higher in terms of gas prices?

But that really doesn't address the issue. Gas prices are high and make up a large portion of expenses for a guy in my line of buisness.

No argument there. I was merely commenting on an apparent disconnect when someone who complains about gas prices doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything to reduce his household's fuel costs.

We had 3 company gas accounts going into 2008.. The economy got tight and buisness slowed. The credit card companies, in an attempt to limit their exposure started lowering the credit allowances on many of our credit cards. Some closing the accounts all together. Afterwards I was left with 1 gas account. I could probably look into getting more accounts open, but with everything else we have going on it's low on the totem pole as far as priorities go. Gas as a whole is very expensive everywhere, I could save 6 cent per gallon from time to time maybe but I will still be left with the opinion that gas is too expensive..

You let your wife and kid drive over 300 miles each a week?

My wife and kid drive 500+ each week; does that make me a good guy, or a bad guy, in your view?

Damn dude. I drive 500 miles a week and pay almost $5/gal for gas. You make me feel good.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The key question, regarding gas prices, is whether or not a Romney presidency will result in lower gas prices. I have heard no evidence to suggest that it will, besides some sort of vague "if we drill more, that will lower the price!" which, given the nature of the international marketplace, is not convincing.Thus, just as with foreign affairs, I don't regard gas prices as a reason to vote either for or against Romney or for or against Obama. The differences between the two men on these issues are not substantial.

Point is that gas prices are a significant issue for a lot of small buisness' and middle class Americans, and deserves consideration and at least some attempt by the POTUS if indeed he is concerned about helping middle class Americans and small American based buisness'...

I'd rather he focus on the things he has control over or the ability to affect significantly.

Me too.. .. but he has to start somewhere right? 4 years in brother, lets have some of this change we were promised..

 

[Slapdash]

Not counting trips away on the weekend, I doubt I drive 500 miles a month.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Obviously someone is not going to drive around town looking for the lowest price. You buy gas where you are, when you need it..

Best and worst gas prices in charlotte area

Cheapest price inside of Charlotte Meck is $3.57 highest is $3.87 Typical rate is around $3.75 as I drive..

Also, I'm usually buying Exxon gas. My company gas account is with Exxon.. Which is a little higher..

Company gas account? If your company pays for or reimburses your gas, why are you counting that as a personal expense?And if the gas expense is your personal expense, why would you buy gas at a more expensive station? Moreover, if gas was such a significant expense for my household, and my job required me to drive around all day anyway, I'd know where all the cheapest stations were and make an effort to fill up at those locations. You complain that Obama isn't doing enough with gas prices, but you aren't even making an effort to reduce fuel expenses for your own household, instead choosing to fill up whenever and wherever.

My company gas account and my personal gas account are one in the same since I own the company and it's an S-corp. And the differnce between gas stations as I've driven around today was in the neighborhood of 6 cent, I'm not going out of my way for a 6 cent per gallon difference. I live and work in the south charlotte area, prices on this side of town on the average are higher it seems, I'm not driving to eastway to get gas.. If I happen to be in an area where gas is cheaper and it looks like I'll need to fill up soon, I'll get gas.

Out of curiosity, why did you get a company gas account with Exxon if it's usually higher in terms of gas prices?

But that really doesn't address the issue. Gas prices are high and make up a large portion of expenses for a guy in my line of buisness.

No argument there. I was merely commenting on an apparent disconnect when someone who complains about gas prices doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything to reduce his household's fuel costs.

We had 3 company gas accounts going into 2008.. The economy got tight and buisness slowed. The credit card companies, in an attempt to limit their exposure started lowering the credit allowances on many of our credit cards. Some closing the accounts all together. Afterwards I was left with 1 gas account. I could probably look into getting more accounts open, but with everything else we have going on it's low on the totem pole as far as priorities go. Gas as a whole is very expensive everywhere, I could save 6 cent per gallon from time to time maybe but I will still be left with the opinion that gas is too expensive..

You let your wife and kid drive over 300 miles each a week?

I stopped reading at the bolded portion..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Could this debate be any more meaningless?

NFL is on. NLCS is on. It's about foreign policy, not the #1 issue.

Unless one of the candidate takes a dump on the stage this will be forgotten.

Now I have to watch.. Just in case..

 

[Run It Up]

Im not gonna be able to watch the debate till later please refrain from being bat#### crazy until I get back, thanks

 

[17seconds]

Not counting trips away on the weekend, I doubt I drive 500 miles a month.

I used to do that but I decided to take a job 50 miles away to further my career. I make $40K/yr more than I used to so it's worth it financially but the mileage on the car and time away from the family sucks.

 

[17seconds]

Could this debate be any more meaningless?

NFL is on. NLCS is on. It's about foreign policy, not the #1 issue.

Unless one of the candidate takes a dump on the stage this will be forgotten.

Now I have to watch.. Just in case..

I have to watch even though it will probably be boring. I have a close FF contest going where I have Marshall and my opponent has Megatron, and I want the Giants to win the NLCS. But I'm still watching this damned thing.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Not counting trips away on the weekend, I doubt I drive 500 miles a month.

I used to do that but I decided to take a job 50 miles away to further my career. I make $40K/yr more than I used to so it's worth it financially but the mileage on the car and time away from the family sucks.

You're treading on thin ice buddy... Comments like that don't fly around here..

 

[17seconds]

Could this debate be any more meaningless?

NFL is on. NLCS is on. It's about foreign policy, not the #1 issue.

Unless one of the candidate takes a dump on the stage this will be forgotten.

Now I have to watch.. Just in case..

CNN just reported that Romney is sick to his stomach. Maybe projectile vomiting.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Obviously someone is not going to drive around town looking for the lowest price. You buy gas where you are, when you need it..

Best and worst gas prices in charlotte area

Cheapest price inside of Charlotte Meck is $3.57 highest is $3.87 Typical rate is around $3.75 as I drive..

Also, I'm usually buying Exxon gas. My company gas account is with Exxon.. Which is a little higher..

Company gas account? If your company pays for or reimburses your gas, why are you counting that as a personal expense?And if the gas expense is your personal expense, why would you buy gas at a more expensive station? Moreover, if gas was such a significant expense for my household, and my job required me to drive around all day anyway, I'd know where all the cheapest stations were and make an effort to fill up at those locations. You complain that Obama isn't doing enough with gas prices, but you aren't even making an effort to reduce fuel expenses for your own household, instead choosing to fill up whenever and wherever.

My company gas account and my personal gas account are one in the same since I own the company and it's an S-corp. And the differnce between gas stations as I've driven around today was in the neighborhood of 6 cent, I'm not going out of my way for a 6 cent per gallon difference. I live and work in the south charlotte area, prices on this side of town on the average are higher it seems, I'm not driving to eastway to get gas.. If I happen to be in an area where gas is cheaper and it looks like I'll need to fill up soon, I'll get gas.

Out of curiosity, why did you get a company gas account with Exxon if it's usually higher in terms of gas prices?

But that really doesn't address the issue. Gas prices are high and make up a large portion of expenses for a guy in my line of buisness.

No argument there. I was merely commenting on an apparent disconnect when someone who complains about gas prices doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything to reduce his household's fuel costs.

We had 3 company gas accounts going into 2008.. The economy got tight and buisness slowed. The credit card companies, in an attempt to limit their exposure started lowering the credit allowances on many of our credit cards. Some closing the accounts all together. Afterwards I was left with 1 gas account. I could probably look into getting more accounts open, but with everything else we have going on it's low on the totem pole as far as priorities go. Gas as a whole is very expensive everywhere, I could save 6 cent per gallon from time to time maybe but I will still be left with the opinion that gas is too expensive..

You let your wife and kid drive over 300 miles each a week?

My wife and kid drive 500+ each week; does that make me a good guy, or a bad guy, in your view?

It either makes you a moron or a liar.

Why?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I'm not getting this idea that it's so outlandish for people to drive 500 miles weekly. I have about a 35 mile commute to the office, so that's 70 a day * 5 = 350 miles just to and from work. That doesn't include running errands on weeknights and driving on weekends. Doesn't seem all that unrealistic.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Could this debate be any more meaningless?

NFL is on. NLCS is on. It's about foreign policy, not the #1 issue.

Unless one of the candidate takes a dump on the stage this will be forgotten.

Now I have to watch.. Just in case..

I have to watch even though it will probably be boring. I have a close FF contest going where I have Marshall and my opponent has Megatron, and I want the Giants to win the NLCS. But I'm still watching this damned thing.

I'm recording the debate and watching the game.. I won't miss all the steaming dung piles.. Real ones, or metaphorically..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It either makes you a moron or a liar.

Why?

Debating with this guy is good entertainment.. The guy knows nothing and will resort to name calling pretty quickly (you've already found this out)..

 

[17seconds]

how many times did Obama's campaign say "DONT EVER LOOK DOWN!"?

 

[mr roboto]

Bob is looking pretty old. Still a very smart dude but his facing is falling off.

 

[biggamer3]

Obama crushing so far

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Obama crushing so far

"DID I MENTION I KILLED OSAMA BIN LADEN"

 

[timschochet]

Romney avoided the right wing conspiracy theories this time around- good for him. Gonna piss off the talkshow/tea party types though.

 

[Brady Marino]

Tonight, this is the only way the world will hear discussion on the NDAA bill that allows Americans to be detained illegally.

It's a Twitter bomb. #StopNDAA. The hashtag is trending already.

 

[dparker713]

Someone told Mitt to keep his teeth from showing when he's 'listening'.

 

[beef]

Big night for the mormon cult tonight.

 

[biggamer3]

Zzzzzzz so far

 

[GoBirds]

Someone told Mitt to keep his teeth from showing when he's 'listening'.

Haha, "What not to do", compliments of Joe Biden.

 

[dparker713]

Go after the bad guys - didn't Romney open with we cant kill our way out of this?

 

[17seconds]

Romney seems kind of off tonight. Not quite as sharp as usual. Maybe he'll settle in...

 

[biggamer3]

Romney struggling so far

 

[mr roboto]

So now we have to make them treat women well, convince them to care about secular education, and reach them business development? Wow.

 

[17seconds]

I don't think Romney is comfortable with this stuff. Not in his wheelhouse. In danger of falling on his face with every response.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

The 1980s called and want their foreign policy back.

 

[dparker713]

Seems like they're both basically going to say the same things tonight.

 

[Slapdash]

Whoa deja vu from Romney there.

 

[TLEF316]

Obama going heavy on the zingers early

 

[shader]

The 80s called

 

[mr roboto]

The 1980s called and want their foreign policy back.

Yep.

 

[timschochet]

The 1980s called, asking for their foreign policy back!

Classic.

 

[GoBirds]

Can we talk about the economy........please....

 

[pittstownkiller]

It either makes you a moron or a liar.

Why?

Debating with this guy is good entertainment.. The guy know nothing and will resort to name calling pretty quickly (you've already found this out)..

I was going to post this to him - it doesn't make me either a moron or a liar, however it shows that you are so simple-minded that you can not see a need for a 100+ mile day commute - but I (admittedly) wanted to lead him down a path.

 

[biggamer3]

Obama was practicing that 1980's line all day, he didn't deliver on it though

 

[17seconds]

Why do I get the feeling Romney has been dreading this debate for weeks?