Priest Holmes coming back (1 Viewer)

[Silver & Black]

I haven't heard anything about him in a while, but I guess I assumed with Johnson being handed the starting job, Holmes would not be coming back for 2006. Here's a blurb from KFFL saying he fully intends on coming back.

Chiefs | Holmes planning to return for 2006 season

Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:02:43 -0700

Jason McDaniel, of The Monitor, reports Kansas City Chiefs RB Priest Holmes (neck) expects to return to the team for the 2006 season. Holmes said, "Unless I hear otherwise, and the docs say, 'You know what, we're canceling your card, you can't go back and play,' I have every intention to come back and play."

 

[SoloMatisse]

There have been some HOF caliber players end their careers early with similar injuries, so it wouldnt be the first time, and it would be a shame for Holmes to have to go out this way. But he needs to give Sterling Sharpe and Michael Irvin a call and talk to those guys about how to cope with walking away from the game you love. Those men had to do it, theyre both still very much involved in the game, and both seem relatively content with their places in football history. Priest Holmes has a championship ring, was an NFL record holder in scoring for a while, and been the best back in the league for a couple of years. His place in history is secure. Even if he does come back, his role will be absolutely minimal, imo. But I dont see him coming back. jmho.

 

[fruity pebbles]

figured he was smarter than that. guess not.

 

[David Yudkin]

As of now, no doctor has cleared him to play. At this point, I'm not sure if his condition is one that will change much given that it's 8 months later. I'm certainly no doctor, but there must be medical reasons why he has not been cleared to play.

 

[fatness]

I figure he's coming for his physical, the doctors will take into account all his previous testing for his spinal problem, they'll decide it's unsafe for him to play, and he'll retire with dignity and no further injury.

 

[joffer]

denial

 

[GregR_2]

There have been some HOF caliber players end their careers early with similar injuries, so it wouldnt be the first time, and it would be a shame for Holmes to have to go out this way. But he needs to give Sterling Sharpe and Michael Irvin a call and talk to those guys about how to cope with walking away from the game you love. Those men had to do it, theyre both still very much involved in the game, and both seem relatively content with their places in football history. Priest Holmes has a championship ring, was an NFL record holder in scoring for a while, and been the best back in the league for a couple of years. His place in history is secure. Even if he does come back, his role will be absolutely minimal, imo. But I dont see him coming back. jmho.

What, you think he should start doing drugs and threatening hookers with physical harm to keep them from testifying against him?Oh wait. Never mind, he did that DURING his career, not AFTER.

[/cheapshot]

 

[Slider]

Must be tough toiling in the league and finally earning a big paycheck only to get hurt. He's probably near broke as far as players go.

 

[Bri]

As of now, no doctor has cleared him to play. At this point, I'm not sure if his condition is one that will change much given that it's 8 months later. I'm certainly no doctor, but there must be medical reasons why he has not been cleared to play.

ESPN radio guys by me(not the best BTW) seemed to think he could get cleared and it was a doc appointment he hasn't made until he decides his heart is truly into it. His wife or mother(can't recall which) is very much against him playing and a major influence on him....something like that. ehh FWIW

 

[Tau837]

There have been some HOF caliber players end their careers early with similar injuries, so it wouldnt be the first time, and it would be a shame for Holmes to have to go out this way. But he needs to give Sterling Sharpe and Michael Irvin a call and talk to those guys about how to cope with walking away from the game you love. Those men had to do it, theyre both still very much involved in the game, and both seem relatively content with their places in football history. Priest Holmes has a championship ring, was an NFL record holder in scoring for a while, and been the best back in the league for a couple of years. His place in history is secure. Even if he does come back, his role will be absolutely minimal, imo. But I dont see him coming back. jmho.

I'm not sure if you mean Priest will be in the HOF... but IMO he will not be and shouldn't be. He needed another 2 years of elite performance IMO... or possibly one with another championship ring (one he actually contributed to).I agree that it is doubtful he returns. And even if he does, his role will be Faulk-like... i.e., not particularly valuable for fantasy purposes.

 

[glock]

I haven't heard anything about him in a while, but I guess I assumed with Johnson being handed the starting job, Holmes would not be coming back for 2006. Here's a blurb from KFFL saying he fully intends on coming back.

Chiefs | Holmes planning to return for 2006 season

Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:02:43 -0700

Jason McDaniel, of The Monitor, reports Kansas City Chiefs RB Priest Holmes (neck) expects to return to the team for the 2006 season. Holmes said, "Unless I hear otherwise, and the docs say, 'You know what, we're canceling your card, you can't go back and play,' I have every intention to come back and play."

One LJ owner here not losing any sleep over it.

 

[Bri]

There have been some HOF caliber players end their careers early with similar injuries, so it wouldnt be the first time, and it would be a shame for Holmes to have to go out this way.  But he needs to give Sterling Sharpe and Michael Irvin a call and talk to those guys about how to cope with walking away from the game you love.  Those men had to do it, theyre both still very much involved in the game, and both seem relatively content with their places in football history.  Priest Holmes has a championship ring, was an NFL record holder in scoring for a while,  and been the best back in the league for a couple of years.  His place in history is secure.  Even if he does come back, his role will be absolutely minimal, imo.  But I dont see him coming back.  jmho.

I'm not sure if you mean Priest will be in the HOF... but IMO he will not be and shouldn't be. He needed another 2 years of elite performance IMO... or possibly one with another championship ring (one he actually contributed to).I agree that it is doubtful he returns. And even if he does, his role will be Faulk-like... i.e., not particularly valuable for fantasy purposes.

do ya think he's comparable to TD? in retrospect?

 

[Bri]

blogger has Priest in for a physical this week

 

[BigTex]

blogger has Priest in for a physical this week

If he comes back, I'll trade him in a New York minute.

 

[Tau837]

There have been some HOF caliber players end their careers early with similar injuries, so it wouldnt be the first time, and it would be a shame for Holmes to have to go out this way.  But he needs to give Sterling Sharpe and Michael Irvin a call and talk to those guys about how to cope with walking away from the game you love.  Those men had to do it, theyre both still very much involved in the game, and both seem relatively content with their places in football history.  Priest Holmes has a championship ring, was an NFL record holder in scoring for a while,  and been the best back in the league for a couple of years.  His place in history is secure.  Even if he does come back, his role will be absolutely minimal, imo.   But I dont see him coming back.  jmho.

I'm not sure if you mean Priest will be in the HOF... but IMO he will not be and shouldn't be. He needed another 2 years of elite performance IMO... or possibly one with another championship ring (one he actually contributed to).I agree that it is doubtful he returns. And even if he does, his role will be Faulk-like... i.e., not particularly valuable for fantasy purposes.

do ya think he's comparable to TD? in retrospect?

The comparison is interesting. Both made 3 Pro Bowls and played in great RB systems.Here is the case for Priest being better than Davis:

1. Priest had a better regular season peak, with 6566 total yards and 61 TDs in 2001-2003, compared to Davis's 6110/52 in 1996-1998. I believe no one other than Faulk has had a better three year stretch (6755/59 in 1999-2001).

2. Aside from the peak stretch, Priest had two other good seasons, including another 1000 yard rushing season with Baltimore. In 2004, he was continuing his torrid 2001-2003 pace before getting injured, with 1079/15 in only 8 games.

3. Priest is 13th all time in rushing TDs, compared to Davis at 35th. Priest is 33rd in all time rushing yards, compared to Davis at 39th.

The case for Davis being better than Priest:

1. Davis overcomes his regular season numbers deficit with 1271/12 in the postseason, compared to Priest's 208/2 in his only playoff game as a starting RB.

2. Davis has two Super Bowl rings. Priest has one, though he wasn't much of a contributor to his team that postseason.

3. Davis shared an MVP award and won a Super Bowl MVP; Priest did neither.

Is that comparable? I think Davis's postseason accomplishments give him a slightly better HOF case, I don't personally think either of them should be in the HOF.

 

[Bri]

blogger has Priest in for a physical this week

If he comes back, I'll trade him in a New York minute.

New york minute?Quit listenning to Parcells so much

BTW I'm glad you had the wherewithall to post that

 

[BigTex]

blogger has Priest in for a physical this week

If he comes back, I'll trade him in a New York minute.

New york minute?Quit listenning to Parcells so much

BTW I'm glad you had the wherewithall to post that

I need

 

[Da Guru]

This is just a $$$$$ ploy. It will get Holmes a bigger buyout.

 

[P Boy]

Funny, I seem to remember posters here a couple of years ago declaring Holmes career over because of a hip injury at the end of the previous season.

I'd say if anyone has a firm grasp on Holmes' health, it would be Holmes himself (a position that I was roundly pasted for when I posted it in the referenced earlier situation) based upon information provided by a doctor or by multiple doctors - much moreso than anyone here.

I'm sure he understands what his health is, how much he's likely to play barring a Johnson injury, and what competition he has as LJ's backup (laughable), and he's going to make a decision that is best for first and foremost himself & then the team.

If that pisses off some of the LJ FF owners, I'm fairly sure that won't influence Holmes' decision making very much...

 

[thayman]

Funny, I seem to remember posters here a couple of years ago declaring Holmes career over because of a hip injury at the end of the previous season.

I'd say if anyone has a firm grasp on Holmes' health, it would be Holmes himself (a position that I was roundly pasted for when I posted it in the referenced earlier situation) based upon information provided by a doctor or by multiple doctors - much moreso than anyone here.

I'm sure he understands what his health is, how much he's likely to play barring a Johnson injury, and what competition he has as LJ's backup (laughable), and he's going to make a decision that is best for first and foremost himself & then the team.

If that pisses off some of the LJ FF owners, I'm fairly sure that won't influence Holmes' decision making very much...

Hmmm....I'm not so sure. I personally belive that Priest is sitting at his house right now debating on how many LJ owners will get a bit screwed over if he comes back.....he's probably stressing about it right now..........

 

[Bri]

I was reading an article last night about Chrebet and how he has headaches every day and it's like waking up to a horrible hangover every morning. Light and noise still bother him too and he had a glazed look on his face when he was hurt. Priest's prob isn't concussions but I do wonder if he read that/discussed that in NFL circles. I'd figure that would make any NFL player think just like seeing those videos of Earl Campbell in a wheelchair.

Well here's the link

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-j...ov=ap&type=lgns

Again, just a minimal effect is all I'm wonderring

 

[P Boy]

LINK

"It's a head trauma and a neck trauma that has affected the cervical area of his spine," Peterson said. "But he's not incapacitated. There's no reason for surgery."

A statement from Dr. Jon Browne, the Chiefs' team physician, said no permanent damage had occurred either to the head or neck and that Holmes would be re-evaluated in 30 days.

Peterson also said doctors were not concerned about the possibility of paralysis should Holmes continue playing, and that Holmes indicated he planned to resume his career next season.

 

[BigTex]

LINK

"It's a head trauma and a neck trauma that has affected the cervical area of his spine," Peterson said. "But he's not incapacitated. There's no reason for surgery."

A statement from Dr. Jon Browne, the Chiefs' team physician, said no permanent damage had occurred either to the head or neck and that Holmes would be re-evaluated in 30 days.

Peterson also said doctors were not concerned about the possibility of paralysis should Holmes continue playing, and that Holmes indicated he planned to resume his career next season.

Good find Pony Boy!!

 

[CA_7]

LINK

"It's a head trauma and a neck trauma that has affected the cervical area of his spine," Peterson said. "But he's not incapacitated. There's no reason for surgery."

A statement from Dr. Jon Browne, the Chiefs' team physician, said no permanent damage had occurred either to the head or neck and that Holmes would be re-evaluated in 30 days.

Peterson also said doctors were not concerned about the possibility of paralysis should Holmes continue playing, and that Holmes indicated he planned to resume his career next season.

Date of article is November 9, 2005. If they were so confident about his status then, why are there still so many questions about his return now?

 

[P Boy]

LINK

"It's a head trauma and a neck trauma that has affected the cervical area of his spine," Peterson said. "But he's not incapacitated. There's no reason for surgery."

A statement from Dr. Jon Browne, the Chiefs' team physician, said no permanent damage had occurred either to the head or neck and that Holmes would be re-evaluated in 30 days.

Peterson also said doctors were not concerned about the possibility of paralysis should Holmes continue playing, and that Holmes indicated he planned to resume his career next season.

Date of article is November 9, 2005. If there were so confident about his status then, why are there still so many questions about his return now?

Who's posing the questions? If it were KC coaches & management, then I'd say we'd have some reason to speculate. But Peterson & Lewis have held the position all along that'd he'd be back. It's sports writers & FF eckspurts that are asking (and answering) the questions.Unless, of course, something happened in the offseason that caused an injury as indicated above after Holmes got checked by multiple medical experts that wasn't a permanent concern to suddenly degrade to a much worse injury. I didn't hear anything about Holmes dropping a weight on his own head during the offseason, did you?

 

[fatness]

A Later Article and Discussion, December 18, 2005

HOLMES NEWS NOT ROSY: Two weeks ago we reported that Chiefs running back Priest Holmes was meeting with renowned spine specialist Dr. Robert Wadkins to determine if the injury to his spinal canal has subsided. The news, however, was not what was expected.

Multiple sources close to Holmes told FOX Sports that the injured area has not healed like they had hoped it would. Initially, the player was told that the spinal canal would hopefully heal within 30 days and he could then resume his career. Instead he was informed that the area has not healed sufficiently and the doctor wants to re-examine him in another three months.

A Later Thread and Discussion, February 28, 2006

"He hasn't been carrying on as if he was going to play," Holmes' stepfather, Herman Morris, said. "Normally, he would be in the gym working out and have a routine going on. Right now, he seems to be laid back and relaxed and not wanting to think about it."

Holmes' NFL career, one of the greatest forged by a San Antonian, was jeopardized by a helmet-to-helmet collision Oct.30 in San Diego. Diagnosed with head and neck trauma, Holmes' season ended 10 days later when the Chiefs placed him on injured reserve.

Since then, the former Marshall High standout and University of Texas alumnus has undergone several examinations to determine if he is neurologically fit to play a ninth NFL season. Last week, he met with physician Robert Watkins, a Los Angeles-based spine surgeon.

A spokesperson for Holmes' agent, Todd France, said Monday that France and the Chiefs are awaiting a report from Watkins.

Later Thread and Discussion, March 22, 2006

Elizabeth Merrill and Randy Covitz, of the Kansas City Star, reports details on Kansas City Chiefs RB Priest Holmes' (neck) visit to his spine specialist are lacking. Holmes told a family member that he was "fine," and then slipped back into obscurity. He has not contacted head coach Herman Edwards or general manager Carl Peterson as of Saturday, Feb. 25, but both said there was plenty of time to do so.

 

[P Boy]

FBG discussion that was a bit more recent

Uhhhhh - here IN KC, no one expects Priest to be back. The guy has been at his home in Texas since the end of last season. He still hasn't been cleared medically to play. He's kinda been a ghost. I hope no one is hanging their hopes on Priest coming back. Cut the cord and move on.

Really? Well, I wish you'd tell Carl Peterson & Herm Edwards that.link

Priest Holmes - #31 - Running back - 5'9" - 213lbs

News: Priest Holmes will not attend Kansas City's upcoming minicamp.

Impact: Holmes hasn't been medically cleared and his status for 2006 remains highly in doubt. "People can interpret what they want. But until you hear it from Priest Holmes that he's not going to play, in my mind, he's playing," coach Herm Edwards said. (Fri. May 5, 2006)

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Priest Holmes - #31 - Running back - 5'9" - 213lbs

News: Chiefs coach Herm Edwards spoke with Priest Holmes recently and believes he'll return to Kansas City.

Impact: It looks like Holmes is probably coming back, after all. At least the Chiefs believe so. ";I would say probably after the draft or so I wouldn't be surprised to see him in here,"; Edwards said. Holmes figures to be the best backup in football as long as he stays healthy. (Thu. Apr 27, 2006)

Priest Holmes - #31 - Running back - 5'9" - 213lbs

News: Chiefs GM Carl Peterson says doctor's haven't cleared Priest Holmes to play again, but he's counting on him to play in 2006.

Impact: Huh? Holmes hasn't said much on the subject this offseason. "If we had to start today, right now, the doctor would not clear him for contact," Peterson said. "But we don't have to start today." Holmes would backup Larry Johnson if he plays. (Fri. Apr 21, 2006)

 

[CA_7]

I meant there are questions about him returning. However, reporters are indeed asking questions about his future because it is so unclear and many people are concerned about his health and ability to play football again.

If it were KC coaches & management, then I'd say we'd have some reason to speculate.  But Peterson & Lewis have held the position all along that'd he'd be back.

Herm Edwards interview on May 19th:

Q: Is there a Priest Holmes update?

EDWARDS: “Right now if he had to play, he couldn’t play. He hasn’t passed the physical or whatever it may be.”

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2006/05/19/qa...erm_edwardsmc4/Peterson on May 20th:

If the season started today, Holmes wouldn’t play, Peterson said, because doctors are still concerned about contact.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/s...fs/14624933.htm

 

[P Boy]

Who's posing the questions?  If it were KC coaches & management, then I'd say we'd have some reason to speculate.  But Peterson & Lewis have held the position all along that'd he'd be back.

Herm Edwards interview on May 19th:

Q: Is there a Priest Holmes update?

EDWARDS: “Right now if he had to play, he couldn’t play. He hasn’t passed the physical or whatever it may be.”

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2006/05/19/qa...erm_edwardsmc4/Peterson on May 20th:

If the season started today, Holmes wouldn’t play, Peterson said, because doctors are still concerned about contact.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/s...fs/14624933.htm

Fair enough - although not taking a physical being cited as being a reason he's not on the field is not the same as being physically unable to play. Interesting that you omitted this from your Peterson snippet that you linked:

Edwards said again Friday that he’s still expecting Holmes back, and downplayed the talk that the Chiefs are interested in New Orleans Saints running back Michael Bennett as a backup.

Sounds like we have conflicting reports & we'll have to wait & see. The reports of Holmes' demise are premature, though. He hasn't filed retirement papers, nor has he said he wasn't going to play, nor do we have any management or coach's reports stating he won't play this season, nor has he been placed on any official injury list, nor do we have any report from a doctor saying he won't be cleared.

 

[CA_7]

He hasn't filed retirement papers, nor has he said he wasn't going to play, nor do we have any management or coach's reports stating he won't play this season, nor has he been placed on any official injury list, nor do we have any report from a doctor saying he won't be cleared.

One other interesting fact is that Priest Holmes agreed to a paycut from $3.75 million to $710,000 back in March. bottom of page

 

[Football Menace]

As a LJ owner, even if Holmes plays, I'm not worrying about him steal too much production from LJ. From the reports we're getting, Holmes doesn't seem like he's been preparing for the upcoming season. I don't expect him to attend training camp, and take the risk of reinjurying himself. So it's going to take a while for him to get into playing shape. At that point, he'd be luck to see the type of roll Faulk saw last season. Also IMO, a Priest Holmes comeback motivates LJ even more, and I'd love to see him run angry again this season.

 

[P Boy]

As a LJ owner, even if Holmes plays, I'm not worrying about him steal too much production from LJ. From the reports we're getting, Holmes doesn't seem like he's been preparing for the upcoming season. I don't expect him to attend training camp, and take the risk of reinjurying himself. So it's going to take a while for him to get into playing shape. At that point, he'd be luck to see the type of roll Faulk saw last season. Also IMO, a Priest Holmes comeback motivates LJ even more, and I'd love to see him run angry again this season.

I agree with your assessment. It would certainly appear that Holmes & Johnson have switched places. But remember what value Johnson carried last year even though Holmes was the guy. We shouldn't forget that Holmes is not very far removed from being an animal in the backfield - and is still a damn sight better than Griffin or Brown in the KC backfield right up to the day he does retire.