Privacy - this is getting ridiculous (1 Viewer)

[rockaction]

Read some stuff on Twitter talking how this company wants to use this data to create smart glasses so when you see someone, it can tell you who they are, where they work, age, interests, etc. It sounds horrific. 

It's a dating profile you didn't ask for. Women will at first embrace this, then use their married or maiden names as their last names (to keep the scent off). Truly remarkable how bad this idea will be for a schlep like me, who didn't want nor ask for the attention, too. 

 

[Sand]

Ring doorbells are sending your unique data all over the place.  Flat out spyware for a device that really should be catering to the privacy of it's users.  But obviously not - completely off-the-hook sellouts.

 

[Scoresman]

Ring doorbells are sending your unique data all over the place.  Flat out spyware for a device that really should be catering to the privacy of it's users.  But obviously not - completely off-the-hook sellouts.

At this point you have to assume that any device like this is "sending your data", whatever that means.  The real questions continue to be (1) what can they actually do with it, (2) what is the likelihood of these occurrences ever actually happening and if so will it ever really harm you, and (3) is it really worth all the uproar and anxiety?  

I mean, check out the comments to this article.  Filled with people thinking that the Ring doorbell employees are listening in on their users, or that our government is suddenly going to become oppressive to the point where they start diving into the details of everyone's life looking for something to use against them, or people who insist on only owning a flip phone and nothing else because their tin foil hat must be too tight or something.  

 

[rockaction]

Did you hear the latest about somebody in Trump's cabinet talking about putting opponents' heads on pikes? That and other sort of nods to authoritarianism within administrations since 2000 unnerves the hell out of me when it comes to companies' aggregation of personal information.

It should you, too. 

 

[-OZ-]

Article on Clearview AI, who has systematically scraped billions of images from FB, Instagram, etc.  and generated a database that LE all over the country is using.  So much for a right to any privacy.  

I wonder how long it will take for this technology to make its way to repressive regimes to exterminate dissidents.

Stuff to blow your mind - the podcast, has an episode on the subject on Feb 4. The daily ran a piece today. 

This clearly has legs. I'm normally in favor of law enforcement having the right tools, but this is scary. 

When we were in China a few years ago we knew we, and everyone around us, was being recorded on the street, hotel lobbies, etc. That was partly satisfying for safety (crime can be incredibly low when everyone knows they're being recorded) but combine that with this technology, even those without anything to hide should be concerned. 

The idea that someone can look at someone and immediately know their name, residence, places they've been, friends, family connections, etc is especially scary when you have kids. It wouldn't take much to convince a kid that you're best friends with Dad since grade school back in Wyoming, and you were sent to pick her up because they've been in an accident. (Or other things along those lines)

 

[Morton Muffley]

I, too, see the obvious dangers of the technology BUT we need to recognize that:

1. It's coming, so unless you want to be Amish, you'd best get your head around the inevitable march of technological progress

2. How we legislate around it is the critical aspect since: see #1 above

3. There is a difference between the "right to privacy" and the "right to anonymity."  Obviously the latter affords the former, but if you think about it, it's really probably only in the last few hundred years that there's been much expectation of anonymity.  Prior to that, most people lived in small communities where EVERYONE knew EVERYTHING PUBLIC about EVERYBODY.  Seems to me that technology is taking us BACK to the way most people lived for millenia.  Is that good or bad?  Not sure, but I do think it's worth noting that our expectation of "the right to anonymity" is a fairly recent construct in our species' history.

4. I think what most people are reacting to is not the ability to assemble this info - anyone can do it today - but rather the EASE of assembling it.  As such, that seems a pretty week argument for legislative protection.  That is, "yes, I put out on social media my birthday and my girlfriends picture and my recent trip to Cabo but I expected that if the police wanted that info that it'd take them a LONG time to assemble it." 

5. So, is it REALLY private if the police could get an accurate picture of you by scraping the web and talking to a few of your friends?

Anyway, just some initial thoughts.

 

[BoltBacker]

One reason that threads like this make me shake my head is people seem really, really worried if Amazon keeps track of how often you are opening and closing your garage door. Or they seem really worked up if they pass a bass fishing shop and they suddenly get advertisements for THAT bass fishing shop(the horror). Yet, when a bill is introduced that will more or less make PRIVACY ILLEGAL there is much less hand wringing about it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_tw9BgKRqI

https://www.theverge.com/interface/2020/3/12/21174815/earn-it-act-encryption-killer-lindsay-graham-match-group

... If there is a virtual "bump key" to every private communication that you have I can assure you more than just law enforcement will find access to that bump key. Then it's just another cat-and-mouse game of making a more complicated bump key every few months in the same way we all loved DRM. If the government makes end-to-end encryption illegal then there is no such thing as privacy. You may not need privacy when you are texting your aunt Ethel, but do you want privacy between you and your bank? Your doctor?

THIS is what the thread should be about imo. I could care less if I get a Burger King coupon in my google search if I am sitting near a Burger King parking lot.

 

[The Commish]

One reason that threads like this make me shake my head is people seem really, really worried if Amazon keeps track of how often you are opening and closing your garage door. Or they seem really worked up if they pass a bass fishing shop and they suddenly get advertisements for THAT bass fishing shop(the horror). Yet, when a bill is introduced that will more or less make PRIVACY ILLEGAL there is much less hand wringing about it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_tw9BgKRqI

https://www.theverge.com/interface/2020/3/12/21174815/earn-it-act-encryption-killer-lindsay-graham-match-group

... If there is a virtual "bump key" to every private communication that you have I can assure you more than just law enforcement will find access to that bump key. Then it's just another cat-and-mouse game of making a more complicated bump key every few months in the same way we all loved DRM. If the government makes end-to-end encryption illegal then there is no such thing as privacy. You may not need privacy when you are texting your aunt Ethel, but do you want privacy between you and your bank? Your doctor?

THIS is what the thread should be about imo. I could care less if I get a Burger King coupon in my google search if I am sitting near a Burger King parking lot.

Given that this is my job...we've been watching this for some time.  It's my belief that once this catches wind, large corporations will tell the government to pound sand...especially the banks.  This is probably as a poorly thought out piece of legislation that I have EVER seen and that includes the Trump word salads we get every day.  I don't see how this passes, which means it will probably pass unanimously.  I know I sound like a broken record, but it is absolutely horrifying how little our politicians know of cyber security.  They know less about this than they do anything else it seems and that's scary knowing the cyber world is where a likely WW3 would happen....not boots on the ground crap they are focused on.

 

[heckmanm]

Given that this is my job...we've been watching this for some time.  It's my belief that once this catches wind, large corporations will tell the government to pound sand...especially the banks.  This is probably as a poorly thought out piece of legislation that I have EVER seen and that includes the Trump word salads we get every day.  I don't see how this passes, which means it will probably pass unanimously.  I know I sound like a broken record, but it is absolutely horrifying how little our politicians know of cyber security.  They know less about this than they do anything else it seems and that's scary knowing the cyber world is where a likely WW3 would happen....not boots on the ground crap they are focused on.

Even if we decided it was OK for the "good guys" to have this capability (assuming for the moment that we could agree on who those guys are), the notion that the "bad guys" will never get their hands on it is ludicrous.

 

[The Commish]

Given that this is my job...we've been watching this for some time.  It's my belief that once this catches wind, large corporations will tell the government to pound sand...especially the banks.  This is probably as a poorly thought out piece of legislation that I have EVER seen and that includes the Trump word salads we get every day.  I don't see how this passes, which means it will probably pass unanimously.  I know I sound like a broken record, but it is absolutely horrifying how little our politicians know of cyber security.  They know less about this than they do anything else it seems and that's scary knowing the cyber world is where a likely WW3 would happen....not boots on the ground crap they are focused on.

Even if we decided it was OK for the "good guys" to have this capability (assuming for the moment that we could agree on who those guys are), the notion that the "bad guys" will never get their hands on it is ludicrous.

Anyone arguing otherwise is a completely inept moron...period.   I know this is the FFA and not the PSF but it's remarkable to see the arguments being made by the politicians who don't have a problem with this.  They are the same ones terrified that guns are going to be taken away and that big brother is always watching ("See, look, facebook just showed me an ad for the hotel I was talking to my wife about!!!!!").  They are so far out of their depth it's absurd.

 

[BoltBacker]

Anyone arguing otherwise is a completely inept moron...period.   I know this is the FFA and not the PSF but it's remarkable to see the arguments being made by the politicians who don't have a problem with this.  They are the same ones terrified that guns are going to be taken away and that big brother is always watching ("See, look, facebook just showed me an ad for the hotel I was talking to my wife about!!!!!").  They are so far out of their depth it's absurd.

They are also the same people that drag Sundar Pichai in front of them and demand to know if Google Maps knows their location on their IPHONE. When Ted Poe of Texas asked if his movements were being tracked he was told that if he bought an IPHONE then no, his movements were not being tracked by Google. IF he decided to install the Google Maps app AND agreed to the terms of service AND had his GPS on..... well, maybe. But instead Poe made some absurd grandstanding "gotcha!" moment where he said that Sundar should know everything happening on Poes phone because Sundar made $100Million/year. 

It was breathtaking just how out of touch these people sound. It's a snap-shot imo how the herd is scared to death that Amazon will know and log how often you order toilet paper and what brand you prefer but nobody bats an eye at the fact government is trying to end all privacy on the internet as a matter of law. Talk about missing the forest for the trees. Well..... terrorism.... child porn.... covid.... boogey man.... etc. 

 

[Bossman]

as for me, I have nothing to hide.

Feel free to hack my security camera and listen to my gibberish and watch me watch television with my hand in my waistband.

 

[BoltBacker]

as for me, I have nothing to hide.

Feel free to hack my security camera and listen to my gibberish and watch me watch television with my hand in my waistband.

I don't have much to hide either, but if I have a problem with my savings account(or credit card etc) and I email customer service I'd very much like that email encrypted from end to end. Definitely would prefer if there wasn't a back door put in for the government(and anyone more tech savvy than the government) to intercept those communications. Keep in mind banking is going to be done almost completely online within a decade or two if not sooner. 

 

[The Commish]

as for me, I have nothing to hide.

Feel free to hack my security camera and listen to my gibberish and watch me watch television with my hand in my waistband.

This goes well beyond stuff like this.  For example (and I use this one to get attention because most people care about money).  This allows essentially broadcast to the world your financial transaction you do on the web and/or phone.  A person could put a sniffer out on a network and collect all that information if the financial companies decided not to protect you on their own.  This type of security is a SIGNIFICANT expense to many financial institutions.  I think the big banks will tell them to pound sand, but the smaller ones and local credit unions will definitely give it consideration.  Of course they won't broadcast what they are doing, but it's pretty easy to tell.

 

[ren hoek]

iPhone spyware lets police log suspects' passcodes when cracking doesn't work

A tool, previously unknown to the public, doesn't have to crack the code that people use to unlock their phones. It just has to log the code as the user types it in.

 

[Jobber]

iPhone spyware lets police log suspects' passcodes when cracking doesn't work

A tool, previously unknown to the public, doesn't have to crack the code that people use to unlock their phones. It just has to log the code as the user types it in.

Yikes. From the sound of it, law enforcement needs physical access to your phone to do it which is a positive I guess. But only a matter of time before they can do something like this remotely. I hope Apple stays on top of this garbage as best they can. 

 

[Sand]

iPhone spyware lets police log suspects' passcodes when cracking doesn't work

A tool, previously unknown to the public, doesn't have to crack the code that people use to unlock their phones. It just has to log the code as the user types it in.

Diabolical.

 

[Sand]

The next evolution:  All this data collected on your is being used to score your life.   The items they mention:

• "CoreLogic and TransUnion say that scores they peddle to landlords can predict whether a potential tenant will pay the rent on time, be able to "absorb rent increases," or break a lease".  - So we have an unauditable database that will determine your ability to get a lease or, at least as important, enabling a landlord to individually increase rents based on your imputed ability to pay more.
  
• HireVue, a firm that generates an "employability" score about candidates by analyzing "tens of thousands of factors," including a person's facial expressions and voice intonations - lovely, now you get graded on voice and facial expression.  Gattaca level stuff, here.
  
• Cornerstone's score, which considers where a job prospect lives and which web browser they use to judge how successful they will be at a job - web browser choice as a surrogate for intelligence/employment capability?
  
• Brand-name retailers purchase "risk scores" from Retail Equation to help make judgments about whether consumers commit fraud when they return goods for refunds. Players in the gig economy use outside firms such as Sift to score consumers' "overall trustworthiness." - So that's why I get the evil eye at HD?
  
• Wireless customers predicted to be less profitable are sometimes forced to endure longer customer service hold times. - wait hold segregation.  Yay for modern technology.
  
• Auto insurers raise premiums based on scores calculated using information from smartphone apps that track driving styles. - We know this one and 10-1 it will affect more than your auto rate.  You deserve what you get if you install one of these surveillance items in your car.
  
• Large analytics firms monitor whether we are likely to take our medication based on our propensity to refill our prescriptions; pharmaceutical companies, health-care providers and insurance companies can use those scores to, among other things, "match the right patient investment level to the right patients." - this can most assuredly be rephrased as "match the right patient investment to the most profitable patients."  I am extremely uncomfortable with a company's ability to mine our intimate medical data. I can't recall ever signing off on allowing this, yet I'm sure it's happening.
  

Next up is an overall social credit score, just given by surveillance corporate interests rather than by a draconian, authoritative state.  Given our current social state the comment that "Surveillance scoring enables companies to cloak old-school discrimination in an aura of technological infallibility and wonder" carries significant gravitas, as well.  This is insanity and we don't seem to have the legislative will to stop this.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

The next evolution:  All this data collected on your is being used to score your life.   The items they mention:

• "CoreLogic and TransUnion say that scores they peddle to landlords can predict whether a potential tenant will pay the rent on time, be able to "absorb rent increases," or break a lease".  - So we have an unauditable database that will determine your ability to get a lease or, at least as important, enabling a landlord to individually increase rents based on your imputed ability to pay more.
  
• HireVue, a firm that generates an "employability" score about candidates by analyzing "tens of thousands of factors," including a person's facial expressions and voice intonations - lovely, now you get graded on voice and facial expression.  Gattaca level stuff, here.
  
• Cornerstone's score, which considers where a job prospect lives and which web browser they use to judge how successful they will be at a job - web browser choice as a surrogate for intelligence/employment capability?
  
• Brand-name retailers purchase "risk scores" from Retail Equation to help make judgments about whether consumers commit fraud when they return goods for refunds. Players in the gig economy use outside firms such as Sift to score consumers' "overall trustworthiness." - So that's why I get the evil eye at HD?
  
• Wireless customers predicted to be less profitable are sometimes forced to endure longer customer service hold times. - wait hold segregation.  Yay for modern technology.
  
• Auto insurers raise premiums based on scores calculated using information from smartphone apps that track driving styles. - We know this one and 10-1 it will affect more than your auto rate.  You deserve what you get if you install one of these surveillance items in your car.
  
• Large analytics firms monitor whether we are likely to take our medication based on our propensity to refill our prescriptions; pharmaceutical companies, health-care providers and insurance companies can use those scores to, among other things, "match the right patient investment level to the right patients." - this can most assuredly be rephrased as "match the right patient investment to the most profitable patients."  I am extremely uncomfortable with a company's ability to mine our intimate medical data. I can't recall ever signing off on allowing this, yet I'm sure it's happening.
  

Next up is an overall social credit score, just given by surveillance corporate interests rather than by a draconian, authoritative state.  Given our current social state the comment that "Surveillance scoring enables companies to cloak old-school discrimination in an aura of technological infallibility and wonder" carries significant gravitas, as well.  This is insanity and we don't seem to have the legislative will to stop this.

whoa

 

[Dezbelief]

I can't recall ever signing off on allowing this, yet I'm sure it's happening

Hippa was never about patient privacy, it was about big businesses being able to share your private information. You did sign your Hippa acknowledgment didn't you? 

 

[Riffraff]

Hippa was never about patient privacy, it was about big businesses being able to share your private information. You did sign your Hippa acknowledgment didn't you? 

Is a Hippa a feminine Hippo?

HIPAA = The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996

 

[Sand]

Love this dude.  I may become a non-descript Japanese guy.

 

[Sand]

Want to spy on your neighbor?  Just hire these satellite guys to image through the roof/walls and see what's inside.  

 

[glvsav37]

Want to spy on your neighbor?  Just hire these satellite guys to image through the roof/walls and see what's inside.  

A few months ago, a company called Capella Space launched a satellite capable of taking clear radar images of anywhere in the world, with incredible resolution — even through the walls of some buildings.

 I mean I know we are FBGs and all, but I didn't know @Capella had Space Exploration type money! 

 

[Penguin]

 I mean I know we are FBGs and all, but I didn't know @Capella had Space Exploration type money! 

Lol, I was just thinking the same thing

 

[Osaurus]

 I mean I know we are FBGs and all, but I didn't know @Capella had Space Exploration type money! 

Don’t forget a university too!

 

[Capella]

 I mean I know we are FBGs and all, but I didn't know @Capella had Space Exploration type money! 

I’m actually Elon Musk lol

 

[Sand]

So now we have fleets of cameras setup in cities to record license plates.  Yes, they know that you go there.  Cameras are now routinely placed on tow trucks and garbage trucks for the sole purpose of hoovering up your license plate and storing the time, date, and location of your vehicle.

And if you have a cheap, internet connected camera in the house it may well be hacked.  Yes, everyone saw you do that.  Yes, that.

 

[Sand]

So now we have fleets of cameras setup in cities to record license plates.  Yes, they know that you go there.  Cameras are now routinely placed on tow trucks and garbage trucks for the sole purpose of hoovering up your license plate and storing the time, date, and location of your vehicle.

Even better - Ulysses Group has the location of 15 billion cars in near real time and is happy to sell that information.  

 

[Sand]

Huh, there might actually be some movement here.

Senators Ron Wyden, Mike Lee, and Rand Paul have introduced the 4th Amendment is Not for Sale Act.  And Jerry Nadler has introduced a version in the House.

Not to make this political, but it's wonderful to see true bipartisanship take hold on this issue.  

ETA: Love the name of the act.  Best name I can remember for a piece of legislation.

 

[GregR]

This one isn't so much about privacy in the same way, but a good cautionary tale that a lot of internet-enabled devices may not put much (or any) work into being secure, which can compromise other things that are important to you.

How A Casino Gets Hacked Through A Fish Tank Thermometer

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I've been dining out on this story for years: When I was in b-school, our marketing class had a guest lecturer who walked into the room holding a big bag of candy. First thing he does is ask, "Who has a birthday today?"

No one raises their hand.

"OK, who had a birthday in the past week?" One hand.

"Which day was it?"

"The 14th."

Gives the person a piece of candy. Now he's got all our attention.

"Who had a birthday this past month?"

Four or five hands go up. He asks each person to tell him which day, and gives them a piece of candy when they do.

"OK, who had a birthday last month." And so on.

Finally he turns to the class and says, "What did I just do? I got you all to divulge personal information for a small reward."

And ultimately, that's why I believe the battle for privacy is doomed. We are all (and I definitely include myself in this group) too willing to trade our info for "candy". If I'm driving to my home or office, I could enter the address each time. Or I could tell Google what those addresses are and then get directions with one tap. I could pay highway tolls on an a la carte basis or I can get an EZ-Pass and zoom through at the expense of divulging my car's location. In each individual case, we calculate that it's worth the tradeoff. But the collective impact of all these decisions is that you pretty much can't function in our society unless you are willing to exchange your privacy.

 

[AAABatteries]

I've been dining out on this story for years: When I was in b-school, our marketing class had a guest lecturer who walked into the room holding a big bag of candy. First thing he does is ask, "Who has a birthday today?"

No one raises their hand.

"OK, who had a birthday in the past week?" One hand.

"Which day was it?"

"The 14th."

Gives the person a piece of candy. Now he's got all our attention.

"Who had a birthday this past month?"

Four or five hands go up. He asks each person to tell him which day, and gives them a piece of candy when they do.

"OK, who had a birthday last month." And so on.

Finally he turns to the class and says, "What did I just do? I got you all to divulge personal information for a small reward."

And ultimately, that's why I believe the battle for privacy is doomed. We are all (and I definitely include myself in this group) too willing to trade our info for "candy". If I'm driving to my home or office, I could enter the address each time. Or I could tell Google what those addresses are and then get directions with one tap. I could pay highway tolls on an a la carte basis or I can get an EZ-Pass and zoom through at the expense of divulging my car's location. In each individual case, we calculate that it's worth the tradeoff. But the collective impact of all these decisions is that you pretty much can't function in our society unless you are willing to exchange your privacy.

Classroom full of morons - never take candy from a stranger - duh.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Classroom full of morons - never take candy from a stranger - duh.

Ah but what about accepting cookies from strange websites?

 

[AAABatteries]

Ah but what about accepting cookies from strange websites?

My Link

 

[[icon]]

The next evolution:  All this data collected on your is being used to score your life.   The items they mention:

• "CoreLogic and TransUnion say that scores they peddle to landlords can predict whether a potential tenant will pay the rent on time, be able to "absorb rent increases," or break a lease".  - So we have an unauditable database that will determine your ability to get a lease or, at least as important, enabling a landlord to individually increase rents based on your imputed ability to pay more.
  
• HireVue, a firm that generates an "employability" score about candidates by analyzing "tens of thousands of factors," including a person's facial expressions and voice intonations - lovely, now you get graded on voice and facial expression.  Gattaca level stuff, here.
  
• Cornerstone's score, which considers where a job prospect lives and which web browser they use to judge how successful they will be at a job - web browser choice as a surrogate for intelligence/employment capability?
  
• Brand-name retailers purchase "risk scores" from Retail Equation to help make judgments about whether consumers commit fraud when they return goods for refunds. Players in the gig economy use outside firms such as Sift to score consumers' "overall trustworthiness." - So that's why I get the evil eye at HD?
  
• Wireless customers predicted to be less profitable are sometimes forced to endure longer customer service hold times. - wait hold segregation.  Yay for modern technology.
  
• Auto insurers raise premiums based on scores calculated using information from smartphone apps that track driving styles. - We know this one and 10-1 it will affect more than your auto rate.  You deserve what you get if you install one of these surveillance items in your car.
  
• Large analytics firms monitor whether we are likely to take our medication based on our propensity to refill our prescriptions; pharmaceutical companies, health-care providers and insurance companies can use those scores to, among other things, "match the right patient investment level to the right patients." - this can most assuredly be rephrased as "match the right patient investment to the most profitable patients."  I am extremely uncomfortable with a company's ability to mine our intimate medical data. I can't recall ever signing off on allowing this, yet I'm sure it's happening.
  

Next up is an overall social credit score, just given by surveillance corporate interests rather than by a draconian, authoritative state.  Given our current social state the comment that "Surveillance scoring enables companies to cloak old-school discrimination in an aura of technological infallibility and wonder" carries significant gravitas, as well.  This is insanity and we don't seem to have the legislative will to stop this.

Black Mirror "Nosedive" was right. 

 

[Sand]

My Link

Yeah, I'm not clicking on that.

 

[Sand]

Maine coming up big with some pro-privacy legislation, restricting facial recognition technology.  Good to see.

 

[Sand]

Complete financial surveillance.  About time to start hoarding cash if this goes through.  

 

[AAABatteries]

Didn’t think this was thread-worthy but wanted to see what others think about this

https://www.vox.com/recode/22526184/digital-drivers-license-apple-ibm-idemia-id-tsa-phones

I’m personally excited to ditch my drivers license and be one card closer to not having to carry anything but my phone.  I will down to one card - bank card once I get this.

 

[Sand]

Didn’t think this was thread-worthy but wanted to see what others think about this

https://www.vox.com/recode/22526184/digital-drivers-license-apple-ibm-idemia-id-tsa-phones

I’m personally excited to ditch my drivers license and be one card closer to not having to carry anything but my phone.  I will down to one card - bank card once I get this.

The only real issue here is the prevalence of state systems to be very poorly guarded.  Instead of just hackable they also then become deployable very easily.

 

[The Commish]

Didn’t think this was thread-worthy but wanted to see what others think about this

https://www.vox.com/recode/22526184/digital-drivers-license-apple-ibm-idemia-id-tsa-phones

I’m personally excited to ditch my drivers license and be one card closer to not having to carry anything but my phone.  I will down to one card - bank card once I get this.

All this does is remove the plastic card.  This doesn't make the back end system any more/less vulnerable than it already was.  It DOES provide another possible point of access, but in this day and age, that means very little.  If a hacker wants in, they will get in.  The calculus they are always making is if the effort is worth the reward.

 

[Sand]

All this does is remove the plastic card.  This doesn't make the back end system any more/less vulnerable than it already was.  It DOES provide another possible point of access, but in this day and age, that means very little.  If a hacker wants in, they will get in.  The calculus they are always making is if the effort is worth the reward.

A picture on a phone is way easier to work with than making a dupe.  Ease of deployability for fakes is a big concern.  I don't anticipate that security at the DMV gets any better, either.

 

[The Commish]

A picture on a phone is way easier to work with than making a dupe.  Ease of deployability for fakes is a big concern.  I don't anticipate that security at the DMV gets any better, either.

I guess I shouldn't assume, but i did.  I assumed that the bare minimum would be a scanable component to validate the "picture" part and it wasn't just a static picture.  I can't fathom someone coming up with a solution that didn't include something so basic.

 

[Hawks64]

I guess I shouldn't assume, but i did.  I assumed that the bare minimum would be a scanable component to validate the "picture" part and it wasn't just a static picture.  I can't fathom someone coming up with a solution that didn't include something so basic.

From the article:

When residents add their state ID to their Wallet, Apple explained in a Wednesday press release, they’ll have to send a picture of their card and a photo of their faces, and they’ll also have to “complete a series of facial and head movements during the setup process.” It’s then up to the states to verify the ID before people can use them. In effect, this system appears to be a new form of government-supported biometric ID verification that goes beyond a regular photo in a process that potentially provides new data to state governments as well as to Apple.

There will a verification from the state and it's not just a picture in your photos. It's added into the Apple Wallet which would then likely use passcode or FaceID to actually use, just like any of the cards that are in your wallet.

 

[The Commish]

I guess I shouldn't assume, but i did.  I assumed that the bare minimum would be a scanable component to validate the "picture" part and it wasn't just a static picture.  I can't fathom someone coming up with a solution that didn't include something so basic.

From the article:

When residents add their state ID to their Wallet, Apple explained in a Wednesday press release, they’ll have to send a picture of their card and a photo of their faces, and they’ll also have to “complete a series of facial and head movements during the setup process.” It’s then up to the states to verify the ID before people can use them. In effect, this system appears to be a new form of government-supported biometric ID verification that goes beyond a regular photo in a process that potentially provides new data to state governments as well as to Apple.

There will a verification from the state and it's not just a picture in your photos. It's added into the Apple Wallet which would then likely use passcode or FaceID to actually use, just like any of the cards that are in your wallet.

Thanks....glad I wasn't completely off base in my assumption and glad their some semblance of logic to their approach

 

[Sand]

When residents add their state ID to their Wallet, Apple explained in a Wednesday press release, they’ll have to send a picture of their card and a photo of their faces, and they’ll also have to “complete a series of facial and head movements during the setup process.” It’s then up to the states to verify the ID before people can use them. In effect, this system appears to be a new form of government-supported biometric ID verification that goes beyond a regular photo in a process that potentially provides new data to state governments as well as to Apple.

There will a verification from the state and it's not just a picture in your photos. It's added into the Apple Wallet which would then likely use passcode or FaceID to actually use, just like any of the cards that are in your wallet.

As someone who was a victim of the OPM breach (the Chinese have my fingerprints - yay!), I don't foresee any time in my future I will voluntarily ever give the government my retinal print, facial baseline, or DNA.  

I'll stick to plastic.

 

[BoltBacker]

Well, this is pretty scary.....

Disguised Lightning cable secretly steals your passwords — a tool fit for hackers and spies

https://www.laptopmag.com/news/disguised-lightning-cable-secretly-steals-your-passwords-a-tool-fit-for-hackers-and-spies

... just as a reminder folks, always carry your own cable. Never "borrow" one(especially from a hotel/coffee shop/library/etc). Oh for the good old days when you only had to avoid public WiFi. 

 

[BoltBacker]

Classroom full of morons - never take candy from a stranger - duh.

Not only that, but why would you enroll in a class being taught out of the back of a white van?

 

[Sand]

There aren't enough "oh, #### no" memes that adequately cover my feelings of having this roaming my house.