Wouldn't it be ironic if Peyton broke his neck again tonight?Im actually excited if the defense tries to prove a point and play harder than usual
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Pretty good drive to end the half though.Gomer pretty much sucks right now.Eli pick 6![]()
Or could be what he can do when there is no offense in place and the running backs dont want the ball....5 catches 122 yards and a TD for Rudolph in the 1st half. Nice to see what he can do with good QB play. The interception came off a throw to Rudolph as well so looks like Eli was looking his way a lot.Defenses started double teaming Rudolph in coverage quite a bit after Harvin went down is part of the reason I think he was not used as much by the Vikings as he could be with viable threats at the WR positions.
Ya I am not watching. Defense is usually pretty poor in these games. Just nice to see Rudolph have a good showing.Or could be what he can do when there is no offense in place and the running backs dont want the ball....5 catches 122 yards and a TD for Rudolph in the 1st half. Nice to see what he can do with good QB play. The interception came off a throw to Rudolph as well so looks like Eli was looking his way a lot.Defenses started double teaming Rudolph in coverage quite a bit after Harvin went down is part of the reason I think he was not used as much by the Vikings as he could be with viable threats at the WR positions.
Me too, he'll be outstanding again in the Pro Bowl.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.
I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.
Hope not, but it's hard to get to the Super BowlMe too, he'll be outstanding again in the Pro Bowl.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.
Not at all. Seahawks are playing well in a stupid game and I can't wait for next year.I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.
Nice to see they're dominating a game where a kicker tries on onside kick by kicking the ball backwards.Set your goals high.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.
Was that your kicker?Nice to see they're dominating a game where a kicker tries on onside kick by kicking the ball backwards.Set your goals high.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.
Okay. Got it. Can't wait to see how good they play in next year's pro bowl as well.Not at all. Seahawks are playing well in a stupid game and I can't wait for next year.I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.
He threw a goal line fade to JJ Watt and it was picked by JPP.Did Luck get any action in the game? Anything noteworthy?
Fumbled a snap that was lost tooHe threw a goal line fade to JJ Watt and it was picked by JPP.Did Luck get any action in the game? Anything noteworthy?
Like I said earlier, it's unlikely they're in the Super Bowl next year. That's a tall order, especially in the NFC.What team do you root for?Okay. Got it. Can't wait to see how good they play in next year's pro bowl as well.Not at all. Seahawks are playing well in a stupid game and I can't wait for next year.I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.![]()
12/19 205 yards 2 TDsHe threw a perfect deep ball down the sideline to AJ Green for a touchdown!http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013012700/2012/PRO21/afc-pro-bowl@nfc-pro-bowl#menu=highlights%7CcontentId%3A0ap2000000131540&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplayDid Luck get any action in the game? Anything noteworthy?
Watt busted open a finger but that's about it.Daresay that I actually enjoyed watching this game?I didn't watch - all I want know is we're there any injuries?
What does it matter what team he roots for?Maybe if a player on *his* team made a tackle or something during the Pro Bowl he should use it as "evidence" for how superior his team is.It seems like you are trying to learn his team so you can just throw insults at that team. You are missing the point. The point is, superior performance in the Pro Bowl is not significant, so the implication of your original comment is not valid. If you disagree with that assertion, then argue the point. If you can't argue the point, then by all means try to learn who his favorite team is so that you can sidetrack the conversation...Like I said earlier, it's unlikely they're in the Super Bowl next year. That's a tall order, especially in the NFC.What team do you root for?Okay. Got it. Can't wait to see how good they play in next year's pro bowl as well.Not at all. Seahawks are playing well in a stupid game and I can't wait for next year.I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.![]()
Actually, his comment is still correct but I'm equally positive it doesn't really matter to you. The weird Seahawks hate on this board by a few of you guys is unreal. Any comment by a few different folks sparks nonsensical outrage to a point where you're really reaching to argue.If you disagree, explain to me what you're arguing and what within proninja's post you're arguing against. I'm going to guess that your tactic here is going to be:What does it matter what team he roots for?Maybe if a player on *his* team made a tackle or something during the Pro Bowl he should use it as "evidence" for how superior his team is.Like I said earlier, it's unlikely they're in the Super Bowl next year. That's a tall order, especially in the NFC.What team do you root for?Okay. Got it. Can't wait to see how good they play in next year's pro bowl as well.Not at all. Seahawks are playing well in a stupid game and I can't wait for next year.I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now.
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It seems like you are trying to learn his team so you can just throw insults at that team. You are missing the point. The point is, superior performance in the Pro Bowl is not significant, so the implication of your original comment is not valid. If you disagree with that assertion, then argue the point. If you can't argue the point, then by all means try to learn who his favorite team is so that you can sidetrack the conversation...
There's nothing in proninja's posts that make anything accomplished in the probowl seem like more than good performance in a stupid game. He even says it's a stupid game. The entire tone of his posts about it is that the probowl is stupid. Makes guys like you and max seem triply as stupid for trying to pull out something that isn't there. Your interpretation of proninja is invalid. Seems like sine ITS won't acknowledge anyone that some of you just want to slam any Seahawks fans. Unfortunately for you, nothing in pro's posts come anywhere near what you're trying to argue against. Congrats, you've made yourself look as stupid as ITS.What does it matter what team he roots for?Maybe if a player on *his* team made a tackle or something during the Pro Bowl he should use it as "evidence" for how superior his team is.It seems like you are trying to learn his team so you can just throw insults at that team. You are missing the point. The point is, superior performance in the Pro Bowl is not significant, so the implication of your original comment is not valid. If you disagree with that assertion, then argue the point. If you can't argue the point, then by all means try to learn who his favorite team is so that you can sidetrack the conversation...Like I said earlier, it's unlikely they're in the Super Bowl next year. That's a tall order, especially in the NFC.What team do you root for?Okay. Got it. Can't wait to see how good they play in next year's pro bowl as well.Not at all. Seahawks are playing well in a stupid game and I can't wait for next year.I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.![]()
BHis original post says that seahaweks players are *dominating* the pro bowl. Later he says its stupid but that was back peddling after the fact. So I think you are wrong...he was making that connection initially.Actually, his comment is still correct but I'm equally positive it doesn't really matter to you. The weird Seahawks hate on this board by a few of you guys is unreal. Any comment by a few different folks sparks nonsensical outrage to a point where you're really reaching to argue.If you disagree, explain to me what you're arguing and what within proninja's post you're arguing against. I'm going to guess that your tactic here is going to be:What does it matter what team he roots for?Maybe if a player on *his* team made a tackle or something during the Pro Bowl he should use it as "evidence" for how superior his team is.Like I said earlier, it's unlikely they're in the Super Bowl next year. That's a tall order, especially in the NFC.What team do you root for?Okay. Got it. Can't wait to see how good they play in next year's pro bowl as well.Not at all. Seahawks are playing well in a stupid game and I can't wait for next year.I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now.
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It seems like you are trying to learn his team so you can just throw insults at that team. You are missing the point. The point is, superior performance in the Pro Bowl is not significant, so the implication of your original comment is not valid. If you disagree with that assertion, then argue the point. If you can't argue the point, then by all means try to learn who his favorite team is so that you can sidetrack the conversation...
(a) a post saying it was the "intent" so you still believe you're correct (even though you aren't)
(b) claim the Probowl means nothing, not realizing that this isn't the argument being made
© "I don't need to explain anything to you!",
(d) you don't directly respond but continue on with the hate in some other convoluted way, possibly by attacking me instead,
(e) claim all Seahawks fans are #######s
(f) read this and decide to crawl away slowly and hope nobody realizes you left the thread
(g) some combination of the above
Bonus points to the folks who will use this as a multiple choice and pick the "(e) all Seahawks fans are #######s" choice to try to be funny.
I disagree...see response above.There's nothing in proninja's posts that make anything accomplished in the probowl seem like more than good performance in a stupid game. He even says it's a stupid game. The entire tone of his posts about it is that the probowl is stupid. Makes guys like you and max seem triply as stupid for trying to pull out something that isn't there. Your interpretation of proninja is invalid. Seems like sine ITS won't acknowledge anyone that some of you just want to slam any Seahawks fans. Unfortunately for you, nothing in pro's posts come anywhere near what you're trying to argue against. Congrats, you've made yourself look as stupid as ITS.What does it matter what team he roots for?Maybe if a player on *his* team made a tackle or something during the Pro Bowl he should use it as "evidence" for how superior his team is.It seems like you are trying to learn his team so you can just throw insults at that team. You are missing the point. The point is, superior performance in the Pro Bowl is not significant, so the implication of your original comment is not valid. If you disagree with that assertion, then argue the point. If you can't argue the point, then by all means try to learn who his favorite team is so that you can sidetrack the conversation...Like I said earlier, it's unlikely they're in the Super Bowl next year. That's a tall order, especially in the NFC.What team do you root for?Okay. Got it. Can't wait to see how good they play in next year's pro bowl as well.Not at all. Seahawks are playing well in a stupid game and I can't wait for next year.I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.![]()
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unpossible.There's nothing in proninja's posts that make anything accomplished in the probowl seem like more than good performance in a stupid game. He even says it's a stupid game. The entire tone of his posts about it is that the probowl is stupid. Makes guys like you and max seem triply as stupid for trying to pull out something that isn't there. Your interpretation of proninja is invalid. Seems like sine ITS won't acknowledge anyone that some of you just want to slam any Seahawks fans. Unfortunately for you, nothing in pro's posts come anywhere near what you're trying to argue against. Congrats, you've made yourself look as stupid as ITS.What does it matter what team he roots for?Maybe if a player on *his* team made a tackle or something during the Pro Bowl he should use it as "evidence" for how superior his team is.Like I said earlier, it's unlikely they're in the Super Bowl next year. That's a tall order, especially in the NFC.What team do you root for?Okay. Got it. Can't wait to see how good they play in next year's pro bowl as well.Not at all. Seahawks are playing well in a stupid game and I can't wait for next year.I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now.
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It seems like you are trying to learn his team so you can just throw insults at that team. You are missing the point. The point is, superior performance in the Pro Bowl is not significant, so the implication of your original comment is not valid. If you disagree with that assertion, then argue the point. If you can't argue the point, then by all means try to learn who his favorite team is so that you can sidetrack the conversation...![]()
Actually,i was joking/kidding as well. So the only one who looks stupid is you because you just did EXACTLY what you accused us of doing. Way to go, genius.You and ITS are two sides of the same coin. DOH!There's nothing in proninja's posts that make anything accomplished in the probowl seem like more than good performance in a stupid game. He even says it's a stupid game. The entire tone of his posts about it is that the probowl is stupid. Makes guys like you and max seem triply as stupid for trying to pull out something that isn't there. Your interpretation of proninja is invalid. Seems like sine ITS won't acknowledge anyone that some of you just want to slam any Seahawks fans. Unfortunately for you, nothing in pro's posts come anywhere near what you're trying to argue against. Congrats, you've made yourself look as stupid as ITS.What does it matter what team he roots for?Maybe if a player on *his* team made a tackle or something during the Pro Bowl he should use it as "evidence" for how superior his team is.It seems like you are trying to learn his team so you can just throw insults at that team. You are missing the point. The point is, superior performance in the Pro Bowl is not significant, so the implication of your original comment is not valid. If you disagree with that assertion, then argue the point. If you can't argue the point, then by all means try to learn who his favorite team is so that you can sidetrack the conversation...Like I said earlier, it's unlikely they're in the Super Bowl next year. That's a tall order, especially in the NFC.What team do you root for?Okay. Got it. Can't wait to see how good they play in next year's pro bowl as well.Not at all. Seahawks are playing well in a stupid game and I can't wait for next year.I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.![]()
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You can disagree, but there's still nothing in his first post that makes the probowl out to be anything. He's not ITS. He wasn't backtracking when he said it was stupid. There's nothing here but people who want to make his statement an ITS statement, but it wasn't.I disagree...see response above.There's nothing in proninja's posts that make anything accomplished in the probowl seem like more than good performance in a stupid game. He even says it's a stupid game. The entire tone of his posts about it is that the probowl is stupid. Makes guys like you and max seem triply as stupid for trying to pull out something that isn't there. Your interpretation of proninja is invalid. Seems like sine ITS won't acknowledge anyone that some of you just want to slam any Seahawks fans. Unfortunately for you, nothing in pro's posts come anywhere near what you're trying to argue against. Congrats, you've made yourself look as stupid as ITS.What does it matter what team he roots for?Maybe if a player on *his* team made a tackle or something during the Pro Bowl he should use it as "evidence" for how superior his team is.It seems like you are trying to learn his team so you can just throw insults at that team. You are missing the point. The point is, superior performance in the Pro Bowl is not significant, so the implication of your original comment is not valid. If you disagree with that assertion, then argue the point. If you can't argue the point, then by all means try to learn who his favorite team is so that you can sidetrack the conversation...Like I said earlier, it's unlikely they're in the Super Bowl next year. That's a tall order, especially in the NFC.What team do you root for?Okay. Got it. Can't wait to see how good they play in next year's pro bowl as well.Not at all. Seahawks are playing well in a stupid game and I can't wait for next year.I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.![]()
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Actually, DOH! I wasn't even responding to you! DOH! The one I was responding to (Apf) wasn't kidding, DOH! I think it's cute that you don't think you're just like that too, DOH! Except less smart (DOUBLE DOH!) because you can't even tell that a comment isn't aimed at you. DOH! But that won't stop you from showing yourself to be dumb DOH!Actually,i was joking/kidding as well. So the only one who looks stupid is you because you just did EXACTLY what you accused us of doing. Way to go, genius.You and ITS are two sides of the same coin. DOH!There's nothing in proninja's posts that make anything accomplished in the probowl seem like more than good performance in a stupid game. He even says it's a stupid game. The entire tone of his posts about it is that the probowl is stupid. Makes guys like you and max seem triply as stupid for trying to pull out something that isn't there. Your interpretation of proninja is invalid. Seems like sine ITS won't acknowledge anyone that some of you just want to slam any Seahawks fans. Unfortunately for you, nothing in pro's posts come anywhere near what you're trying to argue against. Congrats, you've made yourself look as stupid as ITS.What does it matter what team he roots for?Maybe if a player on *his* team made a tackle or something during the Pro Bowl he should use it as "evidence" for how superior his team is.It seems like you are trying to learn his team so you can just throw insults at that team. You are missing the point. The point is, superior performance in the Pro Bowl is not significant, so the implication of your original comment is not valid. If you disagree with that assertion, then argue the point. If you can't argue the point, then by all means try to learn who his favorite team is so that you can sidetrack the conversation...Like I said earlier, it's unlikely they're in the Super Bowl next year. That's a tall order, especially in the NFC.What team do you root for?Okay. Got it. Can't wait to see how good they play in next year's pro bowl as well.Not at all. Seahawks are playing well in a stupid game and I can't wait for next year.I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.![]()
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No, I was not kidding, and I won't play games with you by changing the story later and saying my original post was a joke like you are doing with PN. Also, I explained my point of view above as well as specifically what I was responding to in proninja's post -- how he wrote of Seattle's dominating the probowl and then later tried to bait the poster into saying who he was rooting for.Respond to the ideas of my post if you like, but saying "Doh" 500 times doesn't really make you right...anyone can do that.Also, saying that people are "like ITS" is equally pointless. I have not brought up ITS once in this post. You brought that in. What's the deal...are you the same poster with different aliases or something? Argue the point if you want but you keep bringing up side issues -- ITS, who other posters are rooting for...everything except what is actually being discussed.Actually, DOH! I wasn't even responding to you! DOH! The one I was responding to (Apf) wasn't kidding, DOH! I think it's cute that you don't think you're just like that too, DOH! Except less smart (DOUBLE DOH!) because you can't even tell that a comment isn't aimed at you. DOH! But that won't stop you from showing yourself to be dumb DOH!Actually,i was joking/kidding as well. So the only one who looks stupid is you because you just did EXACTLY what you accused us of doing. Way to go, genius.You and ITS are two sides of the same coin. DOH!There's nothing in proninja's posts that make anything accomplished in the probowl seem like more than good performance in a stupid game. He even says it's a stupid game. The entire tone of his posts about it is that the probowl is stupid. Makes guys like you and max seem triply as stupid for trying to pull out something that isn't there. Your interpretation of proninja is invalid. Seems like sine ITS won't acknowledge anyone that some of you just want to slam any Seahawks fans. Unfortunately for you, nothing in pro's posts come anywhere near what you're trying to argue against. Congrats, you've made yourself look as stupid as ITS.What does it matter what team he roots for?Maybe if a player on *his* team made a tackle or something during the Pro Bowl he should use it as "evidence" for how superior his team is.It seems like you are trying to learn his team so you can just throw insults at that team. You are missing the point. The point is, superior performance in the Pro Bowl is not significant, so the implication of your original comment is not valid. If you disagree with that assertion, then argue the point. If you can't argue the point, then by all means try to learn who his favorite team is so that you can sidetrack the conversation...Like I said earlier, it's unlikely they're in the Super Bowl next year. That's a tall order, especially in the NFC.What team do you root for?Okay. Got it. Can't wait to see how good they play in next year's pro bowl as well.Not at all. Seahawks are playing well in a stupid game and I can't wait for next year.I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.![]()
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Dude, it's fine. We can agree to disagree. I am totally fine with that.You can disagree, but there's still nothing in his first post that makes the probowl out to be anything. He's not ITS. He wasn't backtracking when he said it was stupid. There's nothing here but people who want to make his statement an ITS statement, but it wasn't.I disagree...see response above.There's nothing in proninja's posts that make anything accomplished in the probowl seem like more than good performance in a stupid game. He even says it's a stupid game. The entire tone of his posts about it is that the probowl is stupid. Makes guys like you and max seem triply as stupid for trying to pull out something that isn't there. Your interpretation of proninja is invalid. Seems like sine ITS won't acknowledge anyone that some of you just want to slam any Seahawks fans. Unfortunately for you, nothing in pro's posts come anywhere near what you're trying to argue against. Congrats, you've made yourself look as stupid as ITS.What does it matter what team he roots for?Maybe if a player on *his* team made a tackle or something during the Pro Bowl he should use it as "evidence" for how superior his team is.It seems like you are trying to learn his team so you can just throw insults at that team. You are missing the point. The point is, superior performance in the Pro Bowl is not significant, so the implication of your original comment is not valid. If you disagree with that assertion, then argue the point. If you can't argue the point, then by all means try to learn who his favorite team is so that you can sidetrack the conversation...Like I said earlier, it's unlikely they're in the Super Bowl next year. That's a tall order, especially in the NFC.What team do you root for?Okay. Got it. Can't wait to see how good they play in next year's pro bowl as well.Not at all. Seahawks are playing well in a stupid game and I can't wait for next year.I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.![]()
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Actually,i was joking/kidding as well. So the only one who looks stupid is you
Guy, this post that you're responding to was not aimed at you.No, I was not kidding, and I won't play games with you by changing the story later and saying my original post was a joke like you are doing with PN. Also, I explained my point of view above as well as specifically what I was responding to in proninja's post -- how he wrote of Seattle's dominating the probowl and then later tried to bait the poster into saying who he was rooting for.Respond to the ideas of my post if you like, but saying "Doh" 500 times doesn't really make you right...anyone can do that.Also, saying that people are "like ITS" is equally pointless. I have not brought up ITS once in this post. You brought that in. What's the deal...are you the same poster with different aliases or something? Argue the point if you want but you keep bringing up side issues -- ITS, who other posters are rooting for...everything except what is actually being discussed.Actually, DOH! I wasn't even responding to you! DOH! The one I was responding to (Apf) wasn't kidding, DOH! I think it's cute that you don't think you're just like that too, DOH! Except less smart (DOUBLE DOH!) because you can't even tell that a comment isn't aimed at you. DOH! But that won't stop you from showing yourself to be dumb DOH!Actually,i was joking/kidding as well. So the only one who looks stupid is you because you just did EXACTLY what you accused us of doing. Way to go, genius.You and ITS are two sides of the same coin. DOH!There's nothing in proninja's posts that make anything accomplished in the probowl seem like more than good performance in a stupid game. He even says it's a stupid game. The entire tone of his posts about it is that the probowl is stupid. Makes guys like you and max seem triply as stupid for trying to pull out something that isn't there. Your interpretation of proninja is invalid. Seems like sine ITS won't acknowledge anyone that some of you just want to slam any Seahawks fans. Unfortunately for you, nothing in pro's posts come anywhere near what you're trying to argue against. Congrats, you've made yourself look as stupid as ITS.What does it matter what team he roots for?Maybe if a player on *his* team made a tackle or something during the Pro Bowl he should use it as "evidence" for how superior his team is.It seems like you are trying to learn his team so you can just throw insults at that team. You are missing the point. The point is, superior performance in the Pro Bowl is not significant, so the implication of your original comment is not valid. If you disagree with that assertion, then argue the point. If you can't argue the point, then by all means try to learn who his favorite team is so that you can sidetrack the conversation...Like I said earlier, it's unlikely they're in the Super Bowl next year. That's a tall order, especially in the NFC.What team do you root for?Okay. Got it. Can't wait to see how good they play in next year's pro bowl as well.Not at all. Seahawks are playing well in a stupid game and I can't wait for next year.I hope youre joking.Seahawks dominating the pro bowl. Leon 93 yard return, Lynch TD, Thomas pick, Wilson three TD passes and a likely MVP now. I can't wait for next season.![]()
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Dude, regarding who the post was aimed at...you do realize that you call me out by name in your post. "The one I was responding to (Apf) wasn't kidding, DOH!" That's why I responded.
Beyond that, listen...as I say above, I am fine if you and I just agree to disagree on this one. You and I read PN's post differently. We've discussed it in detail. We've said all that we can say about it probably. I am fine just agreeing to disagree. OK?