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Pro Bowl musings (1 Viewer)

Jene Bramel

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This is from my post in the coming FBG Fantasy Roundtable column...

LINK to full Pro Bowl rosters

Offense, shomffense.

As was the case last season, the NFC was loaded at end. John Abraham, Aaron Kampman and Trent Cole all have legitimate arguments over Julius Peppers, particularly Abraham, who's been more consistent against better offensive lines than in recent memory. And it's hard not to see Cole as a better all-around player than Peppers. I'd have put either on my ballot ahead of Peppers. Nice to see Jay Ratliff get recognized. Usually we're banging on the Cowboys' undeserving pick(s). Ratliff absolutely belongs. No question about the two Minnesota tackles. Others have shown flashes (Rocky Bernard, both Giants starters), but these three were the best of the bunch.

Pretty weak OLB group in the NFC this season, so, though Derrick Brooks is getting in on name recognition mostly (he's not even an every-down player any more), it's hard to argue too much. I'd have found a way to recognize Karlos Dansby as an OLB or argue for Thomas Davis' quiet breakout season. Jon Beason is definitely deserving at the reserve ILB spot; there's a strong argument that he's played better than Patrick Willis. Bradie James and London Fletcher get honorable mentions and E.J. Henderson would have been right there had he stayed healthy.

Can't argue with the three cornerback selections. Chris Gamble, Charles Tillman and Corey Webster have all been pretty consistent, but none have a clearly stronger argument. At first glance, Nick Collins is a surprising selection. He's definitely played better this year, though, and O.J. Atogwe may have been his only real competition at FS in the NFC.

The AFC is much weaker at end than the NFC. Both Freeney and Mathis are solid players, but neither are close to the all-around talent that was left out in the NFC. It may have been nice to see a 3-4 end like Aaron Smith or Ty Warren recognized here. Awesome trio of tackles cost Haloti Ngata, Vince Wilfork, Jamal Williams and Tony Brown any chance at recognition. Ngata may be the best defender left off the team in either conference.

Very hard to argue with the three OLB selections, but Calvin Pace, Lamarr Woodley and Keith Bulluck all deserve honorable mention for their solid all-around contributions. Inside, Stephen Cooper and Kirk Morrison toil in silence in the AFC West and DeMeco Ryans battled admirably through injury for most of the season. Lewis and Farrior anchor the best defenses in the conference (along with Tennessee) and were most deserving.

At corner, there's Asomugha and everyone else. The everyone else could have been much different, though. There's an argument that Nick Harper may be a better corner than Cortland Finnegan, which is more praise for Harper than an indictment of Finnegan, who is deserving in his own right. Revis has had his ups and downs this season. Ike Taylor and Kelvin Hayden, as well as an injured Rashean Mathis were probably in the mix as well. Hard to argue with Troy Polamalu, Chris Hope and Ed Reed at safety. Gibril Wilson may not be in their class on the field, but is a solid player. Yeremiah Bell's breakout season could have been recognized as well.

With rare exception, this group looks very solid.

 
Jene already beat me to the punch at OLB. Sorry to see Dansby miss at the expense of Brooks getting the veteran nod.

Offensively I think it's tough to keep Greg Jennings out too but it's hard to argue against the guys who were chosen.

 
Realized that I forgot to mention Barrett Ruud as deserving at ILB. Quite possibly more deserving than Willis.

 
snubs that stood out the most to me:

NFC

DE John Abraham (I'd probably put him in over any of the 3 that made it. Falcons had no secondary pass rusher and a young/inexperienced group of CBs but he still managed to put up huge sack numbers)

OLB Karlos Dansby or Chad Greenway (Derrick Brooks making this is a joke, but his recent injury may keep him out anyway)

ILB Barrett Ruud is probably more deserving than Willis this year. London Fletcher and Bradie James fall just short of the elite.

No big snubs at CB, but I think Chris Gamble was deserving. Terence Newman would have been an even better pick if he had played more.

at S, I think Atogwe was more deserving than Dawkins or Collins.

AFC

DE Shaun Ellis - With the last couple weeks included, he's had a bigger impact than Freeney, IMO.

Suggs should also make it as a DE over Mathis or Freeney. Wasting an OLB spot on him is dumb.

All 3 DTs are having dominant years and belong, but Stroud's year in Buffalo wasn't too far off. He suffers because the team tanked around him.

ILB D'Qwell Jackson put up much better numbers than Farrior but played on a weaker defense.

OLB Lamarr Woodley or Calvin Pace should have made it at OLB if Suggs went as a DE.

No complaints at CB as I think they took the best 3.

Gibril Wilson is more deserving than Ed Reed this year.

 
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There's an argument for Abraham as DPOY - he's had a massive impact in Atlanta's resurrection, and teams have been scheming to stop him because they are getting little to no pass rush from the other side (as Aaron pointed out). He's the most glaring omission by far imo.

 
Looking at NFC LBs... Derrick Brooks, how'd they say it... grandfathered in, Dansby and Greenway more deserving, Thomas Davis may also be.

Beason and Ruud are so close, it's like instant replay, however they called it on the field, ya can't see enough to change it.

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[LB		SOLO	ASST	SACKS	FF	FR	INTs	PDsKarlos Dansby	83	19	3.0	1	3	2	4Chad Greenway	77	24	4.5	3	0	0	5Thomas Davis	77	19	2.5	1	1	0	5Derrick Brooks	51	12	0.0	1	0	1	7LB		SOLO	ASST	SACKS	FF	FR	INTs	PDsJon Beason	100	22	0.0	0	1	3	7Barrett Ruud	89	28	3.0	0	1	2	6
 
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snubs that stood out the most to me:

NFC

DE John Abraham (I'd probably put him in over any of the 3 that made it. Falcons had no secondary pass rusher and a young/inexperienced group of CBs but he still managed to put up huge sack numbers)

OLB Karlos Dansby (Derrick Brooks making this is a joke, but his recent injury may keep him out anyway)

ILB Barrett Ruud is probably more deserving than Willis this year. London Fletcher and Bradie James fall just short of the elite.

No big snubs at CB, but I think Chris Gamble was deserving. Terence Newman would have been an even better pick if he had played more.

at S, I think Atogwe was more deserving than Dawkins or Collins.

AFC

DE Shaun Ellis - With the last couple weeks included, he's had a bigger impact than Freeney, IMO.

Suggs should also make it as a DE over Mathis or Freeney. Wasting an OLB spot on him is dumb.

All 3 DTs are having dominant years and belong, but Stroud's year in Buffalo wasn't too far off. He suffers because the team tanked around him.

ILB D'Qwell Jackson put up much better numbers than Farrior but played on a weaker defense.

OLB Lamarr Woodley or Calvin Pace should have made it at OLB if Suggs went as a DE.

No complaints at CB as I think they took the best 3.

Gibril Wilson is more deserving than Ed Reed this year.
That i can't agree with . note the avatar . :thumbup:

 
Looking at NFC LBs... Derrick Brooks, how'd they say it... grandfathered in, Dansby and Greenway more deserving, Thomas Davis may also be.

Beason and Ruud are so close, it's like instant replay, however they called it on the field, ya can't see enough to change it.

[LB SOLO ASST SACKS FF FR INTs PDsKarlos Dansby 83 19 3.0 1 3 2 4Chad Greenway 77 24 4.5 3 0 0 5Thomas Davis 77 19 2.5 1 1 0 5Derrick Brooks 51 12 0.0 1 0 1 7LB SOLO ASST SACKS FF FR INTs PDsJon Beason 100 22 0.0 0 1 3 7Barrett Ruud 89 28 3.0 0 1 2 6
There is no question Brooks should not have made it over Greenway, who has him beat in all statistical categories. Greenway has been a playmaker all season and is one of the most improved players in the league. Abraham should have definitely made it, but I would replace Cole rather than Peppers. Cole does have a lot of tackles, but Peppers has made more big plays than Cole. He has 12.5 sacks and 5 FF, while Cole only has 8 sacks and 2 FFs. DEs are paid to get to the QB and Cole has not done it consistently.

Nick Collins may have good numbers, but I have seen a lot of Packer games and he has been caught out of position a lot and big plays have resulted. His stats outweigh his performance. Mike Brown should have been considered. He has had a huge impact for the Bears.

 
agree that abraham was the most glaring snub...

dansby might have been hurt by fact that he plays ILB & OLB... at ILB, no way he makes it over willis & beason... at OLB, agree he should have made it, & brooks was a joke (greenway would also have been a good choice)...

gamble had a pro bowl caliber year, but there were some pretty good CBs in the NFC...

atogwe may have been hurt by the abomination that has been the rams season (don't see a lot of lions & bengals defenders, either)... while he does make a lot of big plays (INTs & FFs, particularly, extending back to stanford), he also can get toasted in coverage at times, take horrific angles in run support & is an at times shaky & unreliable open field tackler... admittedly this has been such a brutal season i stopped paying much attention to them (& if you don't have the game day package, you ain't going to be seeing them in prime time)... the rams will likely try hard to re-sign him (once they get a new GM in place), but he does have flaws... i don't see him close to an elite safety in the mold of polamalu or reed...

in the AFC, i thought woodley was the most deserving player that was left out...

generally & overall, though, i liked a lot of the picks...

* london fletcher was very vocal about not making it, but that is probably the cumulative frustration of NEVER making it (& it would seem he should have in the past)... but there is no way he is making it THIS year over willis & beason...

 
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Fletcher's not alone, Ruud wasn't happy about being snubbed either...

Barrett Ruud, an unassuming former Nebraska linebacker in his fourth season, doesn't really know why he was overlooked again for the Pro Bowl.

"I got the shaft," Ruud said. "Somebody's got to get it, though."

Tampa Bay Buccaneers linebacker Barrett Ruud disappointed about not being selected for Pro Bowl

As deserving as Ruud may be, pretty much like Bob said in regards to Fletcher... there is no way he is making it THIS year over Willis & Beason. However, the fact Ruud didn't even make alternate is puzzling.

 
I'm a Buccaneers fan and a big fan of Derrick Brooks, but it's an absolute joke that he got voted in. Barrett Ruud and others in the league were much more deserving. Sorta reminds me of when my favorite player of all-time, Ozzie Smith, got voted in the All-Star game each year because he's, well, Ozzie Smith.

 
Derrick Brooks has been one of my favorite players over the last decade or so, but he was the only selection on either squad who you can't make a case for it. He isn't an every down player anymore and has just 63 tackles, 1 ff, and 1 int. I would have been fine with either Dansby or Greenway there.

I think Thomas Davis has played very well this season and is a year away from a pro bowl berth. He and Beason are a great LB duo in the NFC.

ILB in the NFC was very tough this season w/ Beason, Willis, James, Ruud, Vilma, and Fletcher. Even Urlacher got 2nd in fan voting (have no idea why). I think Willis is a great player but his big plays have been very few and far between this season. Besides that INT return he had on the deflected pass early in the season I don't remember seeing do very much else. I think for this SEASON that Ruud would have been a better choice, although I think Willis is a better player.

Also, Oj Atogwe should have gotten a bid over Dawkins, but he got in for a lifetime achievement.

In the AFC I thought Ngata should have made it over Shaun Rogers.

Morrison and D'qwell Jackson had great statistical years, but Farrior was the right selection here.

 
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