Progressive Music Thread (1 Viewer)

[ATC1]

Symphony X's new album Iconoclast will be out later this month, New DT September 13th.

Here's a taste of X -

They are a certainly heavier recently. I do like the earlier stuff better up until The Odyssey. The Divine Wings of Tragedy, V and The Odyssey were my favorites.

DT song listings for A Dramatic Turn of Events

1. "On the Backs of Angels"

2. "Build Me Up, Break Me Down"

3. "Lost Not Forgotten"

4. "This is the Life"

5. "The Shaman’s Trance"

6. "Outcry"

7. "Far from Heaven"

8. "Breaking All Illusions"

9. "Beneath the Surface"

We will get a sneak peek at one song during their upcoming events in Europe. Doesn't Europe have enough solid Progressive bands, they need to come to the south more often.

 

[Fiddles]

I don't get all the counterparts love. Nobody's hero alone drops it into a lower tier. Anxious to hear the new one but will be hard to top s and a.

 

[jerseyh8r]

Taking a listen to Circus Maximus' Isolate album. Keyboard is used instead of the piano. I liked the sound of the piano in the 1st album a bit more I think. Also they use an acoustic guitar which sets them apart from DT a bit. Great stuff.

I wish DT would do a bit more acoustic stuff. I remember Rudess saying a few years back that, since he joined the band in early '99, Petrucci has NEVER used his acoustic guitar live, which is a damn shame.

Agreed...maybe without Mike around, but not holding my breath. The only acoustic DT-thing I know of is a B-side from Falling Into Infinity on the 5-Years DVD (although the Rudess/Petrucci "Evening With" show/CD has some acoustic stuff too, if you haven't checked it out).

 

[Ghost Rider]

Actually, all of that "acoustic" stuff on the Evening With... CD is Petrucci using the acoustic pickup on his electric, which is cheating and not really playing acoustic stuff.

I have dug Cover My Eyes since the first time I heard it the day I bought the 5 Years in a Livetime video back in the late 90s. I wish they'd do a few more songs like that.

The funny thing is that DT does have acoustic stuff on practically every album, but usually in small increments to where Petrucci just plays them on the electric live. It is a shame, too, that they don't even The Silent Man the original way anymore live; they electric and rock it up live now, instead of sticking to the original acoustic arrangement, which is great.

 

[Amused to Death]

Just heard the band Riverside. Sounds like a good mix of DT, PT, Tool/Opeth. Will be checking out more stuff on them. Anybody got any favorites?

I just discovered Riverside recently. I'm a big Porcupine Tree fan and heard them on a Pandora channel. This thread could be about my itunes library. l grew up in the 80s an old-school prog fan and saw DT open for Marillion in NYC circa 89. I'm also liking what I hear from Perfect Circle.

 

[jerseyh8r]

Actually, all of that "acoustic" stuff on the Evening With... CD is Petrucci using the acoustic pickup on his electric, which is cheating and not really playing acoustic stuff. I have dug Cover My Eyes since the first time I heard it the day I bought the 5 Years in a Livetime video back in the late 90s. I wish they'd do a few more songs like that. The funny thing is that DT does have acoustic stuff on practically every album, but usually in small increments to where Petrucci just plays them on the electric live. It is a shame, too, that they don't even The Silent Man the original way anymore live; they electric and rock it up live now, instead of sticking to the original acoustic arrangement, which is great.

Huh...never saw footage of the show. Hadn't realized he was still using his electric.

 

[Novice2]

Progressive metal Is that what they call metal without the cookie monster lyrics?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Progressive metal Is that what they call metal without the cookie monster lyrics?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Actually, all of that "acoustic" stuff on the Evening With... CD is Petrucci using the acoustic pickup on his electric, which is cheating and not really playing acoustic stuff. I have dug Cover My Eyes since the first time I heard it the day I bought the 5 Years in a Livetime video back in the late 90s. I wish they'd do a few more songs like that. The funny thing is that DT does have acoustic stuff on practically every album, but usually in small increments to where Petrucci just plays them on the electric live. It is a shame, too, that they don't even The Silent Man the original way anymore live; they electric and rock it up live now, instead of sticking to the original acoustic arrangement, which is great.

Huh...never saw footage of the show. Hadn't realized he was still using his electric.

I haven't seen footage either, but you can tell. Most of the time, he immediately switches from one to the other, and you can just tell that that acoustic sound is not the real pure sound of a real acoustic guitar. I still enjoy that live record a lot, despite that.

 

[ATC1]

I wish all the speed or power metal would stop with my prog station on Pandora. It's not the same.

 

[dhockster]

Do any you guys use grooveshark.com? It is a free music site. I am currently listening to DT's Glass prison at work.

 

[ATC1]

Talk about bands being influenced by DT. This band does not hide it at all just by their name.

 

[Todem]

I don't get all the counterparts love. Nobody's hero alone drops it into a lower tier. Anxious to hear the new one but will be hard to top s and a.

Animate

Cut to the Chase

Between Sun and Moon

Alien Shore

Double Agent

Leave That Thing Alone

Cold Fire

Everyday Glory

All great Rush songs in my book. And the bolded I consider classics and I would think most hard core fans of Rush agree.

 

[Ghost Rider]

First song from the forthcoming Dream Theater record is out, per RR's youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/roadrunnerrecords#p/u/2/oasnbzEMV08

I like it.

 

[ATC1]

First song from the forthcoming Dream Theater record is out, per RR's youtube channel:http://www.youtube.com/roadrunnerrecords#p/u/2/oasnbzEMV08I like it.

Missed this post. Was about to post it. Good stuff. A lot of the other songs on You Tube are from James' solo albumn, not the new DT albumn.

 

[ATC1]

Anyone with an opinion on the new album? Only ran through it one time while running 6 miles yesterday. Made the run a lot easier. Still too early to see where it ranks among the others, however I will say 1st listen and "Breaking All Illusions" is my favorite so far by a wide margin and potential to be a top 5 song IMO.

Breaking All Illusions

 

[daddo39]

Anyone with an opinion on the new album? Only ran through it one time while running 6 miles yesterday. Made the run a lot easier. Still too early to see where it ranks among the others, however I will say 1st listen and "Breaking All Illusions" is my favorite so far by a wide margin and potential to be a top 5 song IMO.

Breaking All Illusions

DT are my all time favorite band and the new cd is their best since SFAM, IMO. The only thing I've listened to since last Tuesday. Portnoy's micromanaging of the band had given them sort of a copycat feel on the last couple releases and this new cd sounds fresh,although there are a couple recognizable riffs. Can't wait for Oct 17th to see them.Oh, and Mangini is a freakin Monster.

 

[drummer]

Checked out some of the audition video Dream Theater had to replace Portnoy. They had super technical guys like Mike Mangini, Virgil Donati, Thomas Lang (???), and Marco Minnemann. Mangini got the gig, and I hate Mangini. Makes Dream Theater look even more nerdy.

Gavin Harrison would have been a great choice to replace Portnoy, but most of the internet was abuzz with Bobby Jarzombek being a candidate at the time. I still think he would have been a better choice than that goofball Mangini, who isn't interesting at all in style. Jarzombek is awesome.

ETA: great vid of Jarzombek-

 

[gsmayes]

Big fan of Symphony X and Porcupine Tree. Also dig on melodic death metal like Dark Tranquility and Children of Bodom. Check out Into Eternity, Strapping Young Lad, Amorphis, Arch Enemy, At the Gates, In Flames, Tiamat. Also check out some folk metal, Finntroll, Ensiferum, Korpiklaani, Turisas, and Moonsorrow.

 

[Tyranny]

Anyone with an opinion on the new album?

I like the new album, that said it is not as heavy as the last few DT albums, but more in line with what I originally liked about the band. James Labrie is singing more than screaming and the music seems more diverse this time around. Plenty of flexing instrument muscle throughout.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The new album is great! Bridges in the Sky, Outcry, Breaking All Illusions and This is the Life are my favorites, and I am digging Beneath the Surface a lot as well. The rest is also good. Not one clunker in the bunch.

Mangini is awesome, albeit different from Portnoy. He isn't as fill-happy as Portnoy, and they mixed him a tad lower than Portnoy used to be in the mix (which is good since they are now at the level they should be at instead of always having double bass pounding you in the face during really rocking parts), but his playing is pretty awesome. And the band is happier with the new dynamic, so it is win-win for everyone.

As for Gavin Harrison, he is tremendous, but no way was he gonna leave Porcupine Tree (a BETTER band than DT).

 

[ATC1]

The new album is great! Bridges in the Sky, Outcry, Breaking All Illusions and This is the Life are my favorites , and I am digging Beneath the Surface a lot as well. The rest is also good. Not one clunker in the bunch.

Mangini is awesome, albeit different from Portnoy. He isn't as fill-happy as Portnoy, and they mixed him a tad lower than Portnoy used to be in the mix (which is good since they are now at the level they should be at instead of always having double bass pounding you in the face during really rocking parts), but his playing is pretty awesome. And the band is happier with the new dynamic, so it is win-win for everyone.

As for Gavin Harrison, he is tremendous, but no way was he gonna leave Porcupine Tree (a BETTER band than DT).

Some DT fans think Breaking All Illusions is Learning to Live pt.2. I disagree and I wonder if they would think anything if the lyrics were not written by Myung.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Some DT fans are goofy. The little breakdown before the 5-minute mark is stylistically similar to the breakdown in Learning to Live at 4:45, but that is about it.

Will be interesting to see what their U.S. set list is when they start the tour this weekend. I predict On the Backs on Angels, Bridges in the Sky, Outcry and Breaking All Illusions will definitely get played from the new album, and maybe Lost Not Forgotten or Build Me Up, Break Me Down. Would love to see them bust out one of the three mellow songs, especially This is the Life, which is all kinds of awesome.

 

[daddo39]

Some DT fans are goofy. The little breakdown before the 5-minute mark is stylistically similar to the breakdown in Learning to Live at 4:45, but that is about it. Will be interesting to see what their U.S. set list is when they start the tour this weekend. I predict On the Backs on Angels, Bridges in the Sky, Outcry and Breaking All Illusions will definitely get played from the new album, and maybe Lost Not Forgotten or Build Me Up, Break Me Down. Would love to see them bust out one of the three mellow songs, especially This is the Life, which is all kinds of awesome.

I read an interview with Jordan who said they will be playing more from the new release this tour than they had in the past. I know some DT fans won't like my saying this but I think the band is better without Portnoy. Reading and watching interviews they seem reenergized and appear to be working more as a unit than on the past few albums. For those that don't know, Mike has sued the band and lately, has came across as a big whiner.

 

[Ghost Rider]

No, I think he filed papers, but they didn't actually have them served, so he technically isn't suing them (yet), but he has definitely acted like a huge ##### since leaving the band (and he has always been a bit of one).

The band is definitely better off without him now. They are happier and free to do what they want without him controlling every little thing and driving them all crazy. Granted, in their heyday, he was a tremendous asset to the band, and they'll probably never top that stuff (I&W and Awake), but it was time for a shake up of some sort.

Also, they usually play a lot of whatever album they are touring on, so if they play a lot of the new album, that won't be anything new.

 

[daddo39]

No, I think he filed papers, but they didn't actually have them served, so he technically isn't suing them (yet), but he has definitely acted like a huge ##### since leaving the band (and he has always been a bit of one). The band is definitely better off without him now. They are happier and free to do what they want without him controlling every little thing and driving them all crazy. Granted, in their heyday, he was a tremendous asset to the band, and they'll probably never top that stuff (I&W and Awake), but it was time for a shake up of some sort. Also, they usually play a lot of whatever album they are touring on, so if they play a lot of the new album, that won't be anything new.

I believe the most songs they've played off a new release is 4, which was on BCASL tour. If memory serves me on the TOT tour, which was An Evening With Show, they played 5. Granted I'm only referring to US tours, which include Gigantour and the Progressive Nations shows. I wish they would go back to The Evening With shows.Just found this.http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/04/28/Portnoy.pdfAnd thishttp://www.contactmusic.com/news/mike-portnoy-sues-dream-theater-ex-bandmates_1246089As you said GR, not a lawsuit.More than likely a bargaining ploy to be paid.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Say what? That is totally not correct.

They played all of I&W on that tour.

They played eight of the 11 Awake songs on the initial U.S. tour (which was my first time seeing them).

They played almost all of Falling into Infinity.

They played all of Scenes from a Memory.

They played five of the six songs from 6DOIT.

etc.

Them only playing four of the six BC&SL songs was something of an anomaly, as they usually played almost all or all of the new songs, but The Best of Times was obviously not played because of the emotional connection Portnoy had to it, and The Shattered Fortress was probably being saved for when they played all of the 12-step suite (had Portnoy never left the band).

Edit: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=163514

Despite filing papers, Portnoy is not suing the band, and that comes straight from DT's lawyer. Of course, the fact that he still blames the band for everything and tries to play the victim for the 198th time is yet another ##### move by him.

 

[daddo39]

Say what? That is totally not correct.

They played all of I&W on that tour.

They played eight of the 11 Awake songs on the initial U.S. tour (which was my first time seeing them).

They played almost all of Falling into Infinity.

They played all of Scenes from a Memory.

They played five of the six songs from 6DOIT.

etc.

Them only playing four of the six BC&SL songs was something of an anomaly, as they usually played almost all or all of the new songs, but The Best of Times was obviously not played because of the emotional connection Portnoy had to it, and The Shattered Fortress was probably being saved for when they played all of the 12-step suite (had Portnoy never left the band).

Edit: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=163514

Despite filing papers, Portnoy is not suing the band, and that comes straight from DT's lawyer. Of course, the fact that he still blames the band for everything and tries to play the victim for the 198th time is yet another ##### move by him.

I should have prefaced with Since Train of Thought, which was 7 years ago.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Okay, I hate to keep correcting you , but that's not true either.

They played almost all of Octavarium on that tour (although These Walls and The Answer Lies Within were only played sporadically, IIRC).

Six of the eight Systematic Chaos songs were played (Prophets of War was not played until the summer of 2010, and Repentance was only later played at a few shows, IIRC).

I know my Dream Theater history and facts way too well.

 

[daddo39]

I see where I have created confusion. The way I read the interview with Jordan was that they would be playing more songs from the new release at EACH show.

 

[Tyranny]

Unfortunately the more I hear MP the less of a fan of his I become. He is a great drummer and I understand he lost something he cares a great deal about but he is killing me with the poor me act

 

[daddo39]

Unfortunately the more I hear MP the less of a fan of his I become. He is a great drummer and I understand he lost something he cares a great deal about but he is killing me with the poor me act

I hear ya. HE quit the band because they didn't want to take a 5 year break.

 

[ATC1]

New Circus Maximus out.

Overall, first listen was pretty meh. Couple of good songs, but I feel they are losing the prog.

I like this one. Burn After Reading

 

[ATC1]

Also really digging Serenity right now. A little more power metal to it, but the guy can sing.

 

[Ursa M]

Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree, Riverside.

I'm new here but to find so many fans of bands like the above on a non-music board is just awesome. You guys rock!

:sniff:

 

[Ghost Rider]

Porcupine Tree is not metal, but they are awesome nonetheless.

Also, Dream Theater are currently playing Lost Not Forgotten and This Is the Life on their summer U.S. tour, so that means they've played all of the new album in the last year.

 

[Amused to Death]

Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree, Riverside.

I'm new here but to find so many fans of bands like the above on a non-music board is just awesome. You guys rock!

:sniff:

Riverside is my new favorite, or at least in heavy rotation. DT, Opeth, PT, Riverside, Rush....Just saw on Riverside's site that they are well on their way with album #5 Was anyone else disappointed in Storm Corrosion? I know they said don't expect PT or Opeth, but this cd is so depressing.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I *love* the Storm Corrosion CD. I love that they didn't do the typical "let's combine the sound of Opeth and PT together" album, but instead went with what they were feeling. No, it's not for everyone, and I suspect the metal Opeth fans are hurling epitaphs at Akerfeldt at every Opeth concert right now because of it , but true artists make themselves happy first and foremost, what the fans want be damned, and that is exactly what they did. And this fan loves it.

 

[Amused to Death]

Porcupine Tree is not metal, but they are awesome nonetheless. Also, Dream Theater are currently playing Lost Not Forgotten and This Is the Life on their summer U.S. tour, so that means they've played all of the new album in the last year.

PT may not be as heavy as DT or Opeth (well, certainly not) but they're definitely far heavier than they were pre-Absentia. I've been a PT fan since '99 when they played NEARFest and they were much more Floyd-esque (Even Less, Russia On Ice, Slave Called Shiver and my favorite song title, Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth).I still have to get DTs latest. I kinda soured on them after Train Of Thought. The next 2 did nothing for me (although I did like the cd of covers with BC&SL) and then Portnoy left. I'll have to get it at some point.

 

[Amused to Death]

I *love* the Storm Corrosion CD. I love that they didn't do the typical "let's combine the sound of Opeth and PT together" album, but instead went with what they were feeling. No, it's not for everyone, and I suspect the metal Opeth fans are hurling epitaphs at Akerfeldt at every Opeth concert right now because of it , but true artists make themselves happy first and foremost, what the fans want be damned, and that is exactly what they did. And this fan loves it.

Well that and because Opeth totally lost their balls with Heritage and the subsequent tour. Although I do like Heritage.I have to listen to SC more, but it just kept me wanting for some exploding guitar or bass-bomb that just never comes. I mean, I really love the tune "Remainder the Black Dog" on Wilson's last solo cd because of the slow build up and total explosion in the middle. That's what I kept waiting for with the opening tune, "Drag Ropes".

 

[Ghost Rider]

I don't think it's fair to say that Opeth lost their balls; Akerfeldt simply has more interest in writing and recording less metal than he used to. I'll bet he'd ditch the death vocals, in the studio and live, if he could, but he knows he probably still has to do a bit of them live to keep fans happy. But it is clear his interests have really changed.

PT is definitely more hard rock then they used to be, but they still have done hardly any metal, and certainly not enough to fall under the metal banner. Besides, most prog metal is awful, and I hate to see them get labeled under a subgenre that dreadful.

A Dramatic Turn of Events is DT's best since 2002, and it seems like a lot of fans think that. I highly recommend it.

 

[ATC1]

Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree, Riverside.

I'm new here but to find so many fans of bands like the above on a non-music board is just awesome. You guys rock!

:sniff:

Riverside is my new favorite, or at least in heavy rotation. DT, Opeth, PT, Riverside, Rush....Just saw on Riverside's site that they are well on their way with album #5 Was anyone else disappointed in Storm Corrosion? I know they said don't expect PT or Opeth, but this cd is so depressing.

Listening to a lot of Riverside. Especially Anno Domini High Definition. Tool fans should check that album out. Not so much on the last album because it's not as hard, but like most progressive bands, they put out what they feel, not what is expected. I'd highly reconmend DT's latest. A lot of great songs. The ones Ghost Rider suggested are my favorites as well. Breaking All Illusions, This is the Life, Bridges in the Sky.

 

[ATC1]

When could people start uploading full albums on Youtube?

A Dramatic Turn of Events

 

[Amused to Death]

When could people start uploading full albums on Youtube?

A Dramatic Turn of Events

Yeah nice isn't it? Its how I first heard "Clockwork Angels". I'll definitely check out your link this afternoon.Riverside...My personal favorites are "Out of Myself" and "Second Life Syndrome". They kept coming up on the Porcupine Tree Pandora channel. Can't wait for the next album and hopefully a U.S. club tour.

Next band I need to really check out is Katatonia. Similar experience with them and Pandora. Love what I've heard, but need to expand my listening...Katatonia, Russian Circles, Novembre, God Is An Astronaut. These bands might lean more towards a straight prog-rock and not metal.

How about Isis, any thoughts on them? More of an Opeth sound from what I've heard. I've see mixed reviews though on what's a good starting point for them.

 

[ATC1]

The thing I like about progressive music the most is the more you listen to it, the more you pick up.

Listening to the new Circus Maximus album the 2nd and 3rd time I'm really digging this. I am Great solo at 3:00 mark.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

When could people start uploading full albums on Youtube?

One of the best things since sliced bagels.I've never been a big fan of contantly clicking new youtubes while busy in another window so it's great to catch up on some album cuts you don't get on the radio or compilations.

 

[ATC1]

When could people start uploading full albums on Youtube?

One of the best things since sliced bagels.I've never been a big fan of contantly clicking new youtubes while busy in another window so it's great to catch up on some album cuts you don't get on the radio or compilations.

Yeah it's great, but how are they allowed to do it now? I see full length movies available now...

 

[Mello]

When could people start uploading full albums on Youtube?

One of the best things since sliced bagels.I've never been a big fan of contantly clicking new youtubes while busy in another window so it's great to catch up on some album cuts you don't get on the radio or compilations.

Yeah it's great, but how are they allowed to do it now? I see full length movies available now...

Pretty sure it's the same as always, just with longer videos. If the copyright holder requests it be taken down, it will be.

 

[ATC1]

Riverside - Shrine of New Generation Slaves - released this month. Just bought it, so need to give it a good listen. Looking forward to it.

 

[Amused to Death]

Riverside - Shrine of New Generation Slaves - released this month. Just bought it, so need to give it a good listen. Looking forward to it.

I've listened a couple times on Spotify. I like. Need to listen more though. No bad tunes imo. They're going to be in the U.S. this spring. RoSFest in Gettysburg, PA.