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rockaction said:
trogg78 said:
Wire, The Damned, Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers, The Viletones, Forgotten Rebels, Devo, Eater, Dwarves, The Fall, Flipper, Minor Threat, Germs, The Groundhogs, Hawkwind, The jesus Lizard, Joy Division, Naked Raygun, New Bomb Turks, Public Image Limited, Radio Birdman, Rezillos, The Cramps, Richard Hell And the Voidoids, The Saints, The Weirdos,
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Yeah! Finest slabs of vinyl ever to hit Crypt records.  

I think a lot of these are just punk or post-punk, though. Unless proto-punk isn't a time-bound genre, which I always thought it was.  
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Yep. I chuckled a bit when I saw Devo in this "proto" list...and nearly blew coffee out my nose when I saw Public Image Ltd.

ETA: I see @trogg78 already responded.  :thumbup:  

 
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I only remember that because I've seen old footage of Devo at shows, and I'm stunned by the anti-hygienic aspect of it. If anything, Devo = hygiene. 

 
I view punk and metal as cousins, and their grandfather is the Kinks. Gonna go back and listen to that double-live album that showcases Ray Davies' startling range as a songwriter. They were possibly the most erratic live act in history, which is kinda punk in itself. But on their good nights....

 
otb_lifer said:
glad to see the Coop being mentioned up in here - the entire "School's Out" album is as snotty and grimy a proto punk platter as there ever was

my favorite from said album "Luney Tune" - that filthy guitar work is as sleazy as anything ever laid down

from their earlier "Easy Action" album  "Refrigerator Heaven" - skank/mosh pit special

from "Love it to Death" (their finest hour) "Hallowed Be My Name"  - so damn good that Sonic Youth paid homage
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i think i've told this around here before, but my first Alice encounter was fairly hilarious. in '71, one of the spots i was coopin as a runaway was a Haight-style attic loft that a whole bunch of Berklee Music students cubed out as living quarters - i met Greg from Orphan & Cars there - and one day i got woke by a bunch that were going to the WBCN softball game to see Alice Cooper. the local underground radio station would play softball against an up&coming band and the band would give a concert after. during the game i asked where this Alice was and they said '2nd base' and laughed when i said 'that's a guy'. then when i saw him come out in makeup and electrocute himself at the show's climax - the Fugs playing a gig in gold jockstraps was about as wild as music had been til then - well, i was hooked. when i returned to high school, i almost won a write-in campaign to have Ballad of Dwight Fry (i...i wanna get outta here) replace the hippiedippies' "Teach Your Children" as the class song. the class did indeed sing it together during some grad week function. proud o that -

loved Alice's guitar player and those one-note solos that seemed like the guitar was waggin its finger at you...

 
rockaction said:
Oh, but Devo was like '73 or '74 in Ohio, IIRC. That's photo material.  
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sidebar - i dated an Akron girl who'd been a stringer for Tiger Beat magazine in the 60s, dated pop idol Gene Pitney when she was 15, as well as the guitar player for the hottest local band who had a regular wkend gig at the Holiday Inn out by the interstate. she recounts that that band played "Satisfaction" up to a half-dozen times a night at their gigs and that had to be where to Mothersbaugh bros got the inspiration to deconstruct it.

 
wikkidpissah said:
sidebar - i dated an Akron girl who'd been a stringer for Tiger Beat magazine in the 60s, dated pop idol Gene Pitney when she was 15, as well as the guitar player for the hottest local band who had a regular wkend gig at the Holiday Inn out by the interstate. she recounts that that band played "Satisfaction" up to a half-dozen times a night at their gigs and that had to be where to Mothersbaugh bros got the inspiration to deconstruct it.
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Whoa. Cool anecdote. Interesting. Did she have a town without pity?  

 
wikkidpissah said:
i think i've told this around here before, but my first Alice encounter was fairly hilarious. in '71, one of the spots i was coopin as a runaway was a Haight-style attic loft that a whole bunch of Berklee Music students cubed out as living quarters - i met Greg from Orphan & Cars there - and one day i got woke by a bunch that were going to the WBCN softball game to see Alice Cooper. the local underground radio station would play softball against an up&coming band and the band would give a concert after. during the game i asked where this Alice was and they said '2nd base' and laughed when i said 'that's a guy'. then when i saw him come out in makeup and electrocute himself at the show's climax - the Fugs playing a gig in gold jockstraps was about as wild as music had been til then - well, i was hooked. when i returned to high school, i almost won a write-in campaign to have Ballad of Dwight Fry (i...i wanna get outta here) replace the hippiedippies' "Teach Your Children" as the class song. the class did indeed sing it together during some grad week function. proud o that -

loved Alice's guitar player and those one-note solos that seemed like the guitar was waggin its finger at you...
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side 2 of "Love it to Death" - Is It My Body/Hallowed/Second Coming/Ballad of DF/Sun Arise - as i stated upstream, their finest hour - and let's not forget "I'm Eighteen" and "Black JuJu" on side 1 ...

think most of that skeezysleezy git work was done by Buxton  :thumbup:

as i touched on in the '70s music draft thread - Coop's band (up to '74 and "Muscle of Love" : Michael Bruce/Glen Buxton/Dennis Dunnaway/Neal Smith) was as tight and talented as any outfit of all-time ... among the most under rated group of "sidekicks" in R n' R history. 

 
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Hastur said:
A few weeks ago I needed some music with a kick to get thru some very dull stuff at work. I found a Ramones collection and started with that. Their entire catalog, not just the 3-4 popular songs everyone knows, is great. The other day I picked up Iggy Pop and the Stooges collection. Wow. Just wow. 

Next up: The MC5, Death, and Television. I'm all in with Proto-Punk.  Name some others I should check out!
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I was lucky enough to grow up with this stuff. Some of it I had to wait to get thru mail order, but it was worth it.

 
otb_lifer said:
side 2 of "Love it to Death" - Is It My Body/Hallowed/Second Coming/Ballad of DF/Sun Arise - as i stated upstream, their finest hour - and let's not forget "I'm Eighteen" and "Black JuJu" on side 1 ...

think most of that skeezysleezy git work was done by Buxton  :thumbup:

as i touched on in the '70s music draft thread - Coop's band (up to '74 and "Muscle of Love" : Michael Bruce/Glen Buxton/Dennis Dunnaway/Neal Smith) was as tight and talented as any outfit of all-time ... among the most under rated group of "sidekicks" in R n' R history. 
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The Steve Hunter-**** Wagner lineup that followed was very strong as well, but much less punk.

 
Eephus said:
The Steve Hunter-**** Wagner lineup that followed was very strong as well, but much less punk.
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ya know, for as much negative criticism "Nightmare" gets, it's kinda grown on me, and i now appreciate the genre busting gig Coop was attempting. 

i recall seeing it "debuted" on channel 7 (WABC) up here - was an hour special, with some trippy theatrical accompaniment to all the tunes ... "Steven" was downright creepy to a then 7 yr old me ... as was "Cold Ethyl" (Ma, wth is he singing about!?!) - and, of course, the title track - repleat with a ginormous spider that was hideously choreographed  :lmao:

remember seeing Hunter and crew backing him that night and wailing "WHERE'S MIKE AND GLEN AND NEAL AND THAT BASS PLAYER DUDE? HUH??!?"

it's a very well crafted and executed album - that "new crew" served him very well. 

 
kevzilla said:
I view punk and metal as cousins, and their grandfather is the Kinks. Gonna go back and listen to that double-live album that showcases Ray Davies' startling range as a songwriter. They were possibly the most erratic live act in history, which is kinda punk in itself. But on their good nights....
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I’m still hoping for a Davies brothers reunion 

 
rockaction said:
This album by The Damned, Wire's Pink Flag, Never Mind The Bollocks, Dead Boys's Young Loud and Snotty, and The Ramones are my favorite '70s punk albums, hands down. 

I love this album.  
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it's sonic as ####, but "Machine Gun Etiquette" was/is better. 

and how could ya leave Johnny's "L.A.M.F." off that list?  :excited:

and plz check out the eponymous "Suicide" album, which sits right up with any of the previously mentioned. 

 
Limp Ditka said:
My son keeps wanting to go in the vinyl direction. I tell him to go turn on spotify (that I pay for) and go waste his money somewhere else
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It’s cool but expensive. The new gimmick is special edition vinyls , $$$

Last year I did a lot of research on turntables for Christmas and learnt the cheaper Crosley’s supposedly damage vinyl with long time play

 
otb_lifer said:
it's sonic as ####, but "Machine Gun Etiquette" was/is better. 

and how could ya leave Johnny's "L.A.M.F." off that list?  :excited:

and plz check out the eponymous "Suicide" album, which sits right up with any of the previously mentioned. 
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My t-shirt says Machine Gun Etiquette, but Damned Damned Damned is better for pure riffs. Melody Lee and Smash It Up are sick songs. 

And I don't know how I could leave L.A.M.F. off the list. My bad. 

I never got Suicide. Just didn't. 

 
HellToupee said:
It’s cool but expensive. The new gimmick is special edition vinyls , $$$

Last year I did a lot of research on turntables for Christmas and learnt the cheaper Crosley’s supposedly damage vinyl with long time play
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It's not even special edition. It's just vinyl got really expensive unless you can find a used record shop.  

 
rockaction said:
My t-shirt says Machine Gun Etiquette, but Damned Damned Damned is better for pure riffs. Melody Lee and Smash It Up are sick songs. 

And I don't know how I could leave L.A.M.F. off the list. My bad. 

I never got Suicide. Just didn't. 
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fair enough, but Suicide was perhaps the most innovative/groundbreaking act of them all - listen to "Ghost Rider" and hear the entire Jesus and Mary Chain repertoire echoing ... Grindcore/Industrial were also hatched there. 

 
wikkidpissah said:
sidebar - i dated an Akron girl who'd been a stringer for Tiger Beat magazine in the 60s, dated pop idol Gene Pitney when she was 15, as well as the guitar player for the hottest local band who had a regular wkend gig at the Holiday Inn out by the interstate. she recounts that that band played "Satisfaction" up to a half-dozen times a night at their gigs and that had to be where to Mothersbaugh bros got the inspiration to deconstruct it.
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Don't wanna derail this great thread but cool story there, wikkid.

@rockaction Yes, huge difference between their studio sound vs live.

For the Ohio peeps: I got a rhyme that comes with a riddle...

 
I'm still trying to come to terms with The Stooges.  All I have is the 2 CD set "The Detroit Tapes".  So gritty...raw...I was trying to think of a way to explain it to someone.  I came up with this:

Imagine taking the Rolling Stones and have them walk thru Detroit.  Pay a bunch of people to mug them and beat them up.  Then put the stones in a room with their instruments, give them all acid and all the alcohol they want.  Wait two hours, then dump a kilo of coke on the table, spray paint "**** the world" on the wall, turn on a tape recorder, and leave the room.  Wait a few hours, come back, grab the tape.  Burn the tape and gather the remaining ashes.  Add moonshine to the ashes to make a paste.  Smear the paste onto the underside of a trailer in Kentucky.  Whatever filth grows from the paste becomes human.  Throw those humans into a recording studio.  There you have the Stooges.

It sounded better in my head.  Now it just sounds kind of contrived.

 
Hastur said:
I'm still trying to come to terms with The Stooges.  All I have is the 2 CD set "The Detroit Tapes".  So gritty...raw...I was trying to think of a way to explain it to someone.  I came up with this:

Imagine taking the Rolling Stones and have them walk thru Detroit.  Pay a bunch of people to mug them and beat them up.  Then put the stones in a room with their instruments, give them all acid and all the alcohol they want.  Wait two hours, then dump a kilo of coke on the table, spray paint "**** the world" on the wall, turn on a tape recorder, and leave the room.  Wait a few hours, come back, grab the tape.  Burn the tape and gather the remaining ashes.  Add moonshine to the ashes to make a paste.  Smear the paste onto the underside of a trailer in Kentucky.  Whatever filth grows from the paste becomes human.  Throw those humans into a recording studio.  There you have the Stooges.

It sounded better in my head.  Now it just sounds kind of contrived.
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Naw, man. That sounds about right.  

 
Ilov80s said:
There are 6 songs you have to understand to get proto punk: Gloria by Them, 96 Tears by ? and the Mysterians, Have Love Will Travel by The Sonics,  Taste of the Same by the Bad Seeds, Shake Some Action by Flamin Groovies, and Wooly Booly by Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs. LISTEN TO THOSE 6 SONGS AND BE ONE WITH THE PROTO PUNK. 
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Huh, if you had asked me if I like punk/proto-punk I would have said no but I love all 3 of the bolded above so maybe I can say I kind of like it.  The other 3 you list some more like punk to me and I'm just meh on those.

 
AAABatteries said:
Huh, if you had asked me if I like punk/proto-punk I would have said no but I love all 3 of the bolded above so maybe I can say I kind of like it.  The other 3 you list some more like punk to me and I'm just meh on those.
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That's cool, everyone can enjoy whatever they like. All those bands are definitely forerunners of punk music though. 

 
Ilov80s said:
There are 6 songs you have to understand to get proto punk: Gloria by Them, 96 Tears by ? and the Mysterians, Have Love Will Travel by The Sonics,  Taste of the Same by the Bad Seeds, Shake Some Action by Flamin Groovies, and Wooly Booly by Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs. LISTEN TO THOSE 6 SONGS AND BE ONE WITH THE PROTO PUNK. 
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rounding out the top 10 are 

Zig Zag Wanderer by Captain Beefheart, Demolicion by Los Saicos, Zoot Suit by The High Numbers and Fluctuation by Shades of Night. 

Also there are some really early proto punk: Surfin Safari by The Beach Boys, Rumble by Link Wray, Come On Let's Go by Richie Valens, Louie Louie by the Kingsmen

 
Alright
I'm in love with modern moonlight
128 when it's dark outside

I'm in love with Massachusetts
I'm in love with the radio on

 
One of the fun parts of growing up and part of my adulthood is living one town over from Massachusetts and driving into it with that song on. 

 
Just watched Gimme Danger on Amazon. Stooges were ahead of their time. That Raw Power album laid the groundwork for a lot of Rock that came after it

 
rockaction said:
One of the fun parts of growing up and part of my adulthood is living one town over from Massachusetts and driving into it with that song on. 
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Such a good song, damn 

also imo 

Proto Punk > Post Punk > Punk 

 
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AcerFC said:
Just watched Gimme Danger on Amazon. Stooges were ahead of their time. That Raw Power album laid the groundwork for a lot of Rock that came after it
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I watched Gimme Danger in a total haze. Don't remember a lick of it, just that I know I saw it cause I got the bill. When Jack White writes the liner notes to your sophomore effort and gushes over it (Fun House) you know you were doing it right.  

This might be my favorite music-themed satire of all-time. 

https://www.theonion.com/iggy-pop-only-one-allowed-in-grocery-store-shirtless-1819588790

Anyway, in response to ilov80s, I'm going Proto Punk > Punk > Post Punk  

 
I'm going down to the strip tonight
I'm not on a stay home trip tonight
Long hair seems to be the main attraction
But the heat is causin' all the action

 
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