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QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (4 Viewers)
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The General
Footballguy
Apparently so. I just found a study published in June saying that the vaccine doesn't cause female sterility.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Sadly, this is precisely why the fear mongering succeeds. Someone who knows nothing about it remembering it being a concern at one time, on a message board. It was theorized by 2 pseudo scientists out of Germany, and anti vaxxers ran with it.
https://www.henryford.com/blog/2021/04/fertility-rumor-covid-vaccine
https://www.unicef.org/montenegro/en/stories/vaccine-against-covid-19-does-not-cause-sterility
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/planning-for-pregnancy.html
ETA, I know that comes off as a shot at you and I apologize for that. Hearing it on the interview today just makes me shake my head at how myths like this are accepted. By Aaron, and everyone who assumes the "deep thinker" knows what he's talking about.
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So what makes these guys "pseudo-scientists?" The one link says one of the guys is an epidemiologist, and that this was a theoretical risk that was later disproven by clinical trials. Doesn't sound to me like anything that didn't exist or should be mocked.
The General
Footballguy
Well A-Aron is ok then
He also had some crap in there about the there's no money in Ivermectin so thats why it's not being promoted more. The whole thing was filled with cringe stuff for me.
in any case he made his choice, he'll get his 10 days off. Sounds like he's feeling fine.
I will not be purchasing the AR12 line of training equipment and lifestyle enhancers in the future.
BigJim®
Footballguy
It's one thing to say it should not be mocked. I'm totally with you that people should ask questions. They should also accept the answer to the question, and not continue to weaponize the question after it has been answered, or worse, disperse the inaccurate answer to the question. Here's one of the better articles I read from NPR on this myth.
When Rodgers is making his rounds in places dispersing the wrong answer to questions like that one, can there be any doubt it's the same orbit he got is immunization recipe?
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Well A-Aron is ok then
He also had some crap in there about the there's no money in Ivermectin so thats why it's not being promoted more. The whole thing was filled with cringe stuff for me.
in any case he made his choice, he'll get his 10 days off. Sounds like he's feeling fine.
I will not be purchasing the AR12 line of training equipment and lifestyle enhancers in the future.
Well I guess too much more would turn this political. But we can agree on the bolded.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Aaron Rodgers has every right to lie to the media or fans about his vaccine status. Players lie about their health all the time ("The ankle is feeling great.") He owes us nothing.
He cannot lie to his employer, and it doesn't look like he did that. He also needed to follow protocols for unvaccinated players (it doesn't cover "immunization." It covers vaccination. He knew where he stood) and it doesn't look like he did that, either.
Rodgers, being unvaccinated, and knowing the protocol for unvaccinated players, SHOULD have taken extra precautions to make sure he didn't get it. Whatever he did, it wasn't good enough. Now he might cost his team two games. That's the issue people should have.
What if this happened in January? Or a week before the Super Bowl? He has the right to make his own decisions, but the results and consequences make him look irresponsible imo.
(Disclaimer: I fully support missing mandatory games, and the fact that I am facing the team with Rodgers this week may or may not have affected that support...)
He cannot lie to his employer, and it doesn't look like he did that. He also needed to follow protocols for unvaccinated players (it doesn't cover "immunization." It covers vaccination. He knew where he stood) and it doesn't look like he did that, either.
Rodgers, being unvaccinated, and knowing the protocol for unvaccinated players, SHOULD have taken extra precautions to make sure he didn't get it. Whatever he did, it wasn't good enough. Now he might cost his team two games. That's the issue people should have.
What if this happened in January? Or a week before the Super Bowl? He has the right to make his own decisions, but the results and consequences make him look irresponsible imo.
(Disclaimer: I fully support missing mandatory games, and the fact that I am facing the team with Rodgers this week may or may not have affected that support...)
Reading the posts here, I figured Rodgers must have said some pretty crazy things on that show. But I just watched the entire 47 minute thing. The only thing that sounds even remotely crazy was the words "holistic" and "homeopathic". That's pretty goofy stuff, and if he believes it might work, whatever, but I honestly don't care even if he's totally BS'ing just to sound like he's doing everything he can to find an alternative to bowing down to the mob. Really can't believe so many people here are still into that stuff. I got the sentiment lately that the masses were starting to realize what's going on. Oh well, to each his own, I will not judge somebody -- I make efforts not to, anyways -- based on their beliefs. Just difficult to watch.
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kwille
Footballguy
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Orange&Blue
Footballguy
Don't know much about Rogan, but I hear he's a podcast host, and I'm sure it's safe to assume that he is not any sort of medical expert. However, suppose someone says, "I had the same condition you currently have, I tried this treatment regimen that I've heard of, and I believe it helped," and I decide to try it. Though that may constitute "medical" "consultation" by definition, that doesn't mean I'm using him as a medical consultant by profession. I assume no prescription medications or surgeries were involved?
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kwille
Footballguy
Without weighing in on his beliefs, he pretty consciously choose a path that was risky medically and negatively impactful to the team's reputation and chances for success. And he was less than straightforward about it. Forget fans and sponsors. Can he get the team's trust back?
DallasDMac
Footballguy
His use of the top ten most popular Instagram anti-vaccine catch phrases was impressive.
fatness
Footballguy
There never were scientific studies showing COVID vaccines caused problems with sterility in men or fertility in women. People ignoring that can express "concerns" but they have no basis in science.
There are also 2 long-running threads in the FFA to discuss this in detail, instead of in the Shark Pool. Not trying to play board cop, I just don't want this one taken out of the Shark Pool, and the 2 threads I mentioned in the FFA are pretty good.
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Orange&Blue
Footballguy
"I consulted a good friend of mine, Joe Rogan, and I've been doing a lot of the stuff he recommended in his podcast"...including taking ivermectin!!
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Uhm... no.
A medical consult by definition is “a procedure whereby, upon request by one healthcare provider, another healthcare provider reviews a patient's medical history, examines the patient, and makes recommendations as to care and treatment.”
Something Joe Rogan says on a podcast is not even remotely a medical consultation by any stretch.
babydemon90
Footballguy
I didn't listen to it. But if you as a human being utter the words 'woke mob' in a serious context, you're an ignorant ahole playing to the right wing media. That isn't a thing, its completely devoid of meaning, and he's an ahole for saying it. Saying 'woke' has become an ignorant catchall generic term for..what exactly? Now woke means 'being vaaccinated' I guess?
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Didn't he state that he was allergic to the two vaccines and either his doctors or medical consultants told him or that he at least believed it himself that the risks outweighed the rewards with the vaccines?
I'm a Packer fan and think Rodgers is a Class A #####. I could care less about his reasons for not taking the vaccine. But then just own it and state that right from the beginning.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
I don't know if it's crazy compared to people waiting for JFK in Dallas. He just sounds dumb. I respect his right now to not get the vaccine. But when you don't trust doctors and the medical system and take advice from Joe Rogan, you aren't exactly logical and I can't respect the reasons.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Because I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about, you've read zero medical studies and you just believe something you heard with no facts. And there you go, people believe the earth is flat again.
You don't know what I believe. I just asked a simple question.
I know that I found a link talking about a study published in June saying that the vaccine doesn't cause female sterility. I know one of the links provided earlier talked about the theoretical risk that was disproven in clinical studies. But I've got five of you telling me that it was never a thing.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
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BigJim®
Footballguy
He did. JMHO, he can give whatever reason he wants for his decision. The more reasonable, the more spectacular his stupidity for lying about actually being immunized. Doesn't really matter though; take whatever he says with a grain of salt. He has zero credibility at this point.
BigJim®
Footballguy
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/05/aaron-rodgers-says-he-didnt-agree-to-the-covid-protocols-but-his-union-did/
Someone needs to remind critical thinker that he's in a union.
Someone needs to remind critical thinker that he's in a union.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I appreciate him standing up. Brave and bold move.
jhib
Footballguy
You guys are confusing me with the word 'yeah' in each of your posts. Do you mean it in the typical fashion - like an affirmative 'yes' - or do you mean it like Rodgers uses it when he doesn't lie answering a question and where it apparently means 'no'?
What about it? I'm obviously no expert, but from what I've heard it is a drug that some take as a Covid treatment that may or may not help.
With all due respect, you kind of missed the point, and maybe it was due to my wording. My point was that, whereas taking advice from someone on a medical topic might be "consulting" based on the dictionary definition of consulting, it's not the same as professional medical consultation. He took nonprofessional advice on one medical topic, from some dude named Joe Rogan. Not the same as paying Joe Rogan to handle all of your medical decisions by default.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
I have zero issue with his vaccine decision. I have issue with the ridiculous, narcissistic diatribe he put forth in that interview.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Do you think the points he made matter more of your evaluation of what is basically a performance of the points?
DallasDMac
Footballguy
"Woke", "mob mentality", "cancel culture", "witch hunt", "Joe Rogan". They weren't points, they were whining. Once again, I have no issue with his refusing the vaccine if he was allergic to ingredients. But he sounded like a 12 year old on Tik-Tok with much of the nonsense he spewed forth. And don't get me started wit the total misquote of MLK.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
How is he a victim at all really?
He chose a path and now has to follow the consequences just like everyone else. The harshest criticisms have come from the fact that he lied like a coward. He’s facing no penalties and no one is calling for his head. His use of the word “victim” shows much more about his character than any decision he made about getting vaccinated or not.
DropKick
Footballguy
In your earlier post you said you assumed that prescription medications weren't involved and I was just pointing out that I think that one was.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Rodgers did not go looking for this fight. He suffered a medical issue and has been criticized for getting sick and not seeking a treatment that has not delivered as promised. This was all before he was able to offer any comments, major national football league media urged his retirement for his choice and as far as I can tell, universally attacked his choice.
We live in a world where Calvin Ridley, rightly IMO, fairly IMO, has been praised the possibility of having mental illness. Any questioning of his lacking toughness are roundly attacked. Many play through what Ridley is sitting out for. He sought a choice for... treatment? Management? Rodgers did the same and has been attacked before getting a chance to speak.
I don't know about woke, but that is textbook mob mentality and certainly in the space of a witch hunt. Cancel culture? Lets see. I get the feeling we won't see much more discount double checking. No one is entitled to an advertisement.
Joe Rogan is a symptom, not the disease. Because we've fallen into a culture apparently where the only place to have nuanced, point/counter point discussion is with the DMT popping cage fight announcer. Joe Rogan has not failed us, the wider media has failed us.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Well one is pretty clear cut and the other has people on both sides discussing it.
Do you really believe that anyone on Earth thinks what Rodgers did was worse than what Ruggs did?
