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QB Anthony Richardson, IND (1 Viewer)
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barackdhouse
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Boooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
No way
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
A coach who is at risk of getting fired is always going to make short-sighted decisions.
That might be a part of it but I've long felt the best way he could keep his job is to turn AR around.
For example if he goes 8-9 or 9-8 with Jones I think he's gone. If he went 7-10 with AR and by the end of the season AR made a Bryce Young type of turn around I think that would secure his return.
I don't think either of those scenarios will happen because I don't expect Jones to keep the job for long and that's also what I meant by short sighted. Just screwing around with the inevitable and costing AR much needed reps.
For how far Richardson is out of favor.
Steichen won't even commit to a future in Indianapolis for Richardson
James Boyd
Steichen won't even commit to a future in Indianapolis for Richardson
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yikes
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
When it comes to NFL skill positions, truer words could not be spoken. You need other things to be good at these positions. But without that key skill, the rest is useless.
Unless someone makes a move for AR I think he's got more of a future with the Colts then Shane.
2020 was the last season a head coach was not fired in-season. It's rare when it does not happen. Shane IMO is by far the leading candidate to be that guy this season.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
There are anomalies, but in general I think this is a good guideline.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
And yet almost every year people get led into these players because they fall in love with combine numbers and visuals that jump off the charts.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah. What if he just can't throw the ball consistently, and he can't stay healthy? Does he still have upside?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I was on the fence. I was intrigued by his combine numbers and visuals. It was Waldman's RSP QB1 ranking & overview that sold me. Sigh.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Remember what Bill Belichick has said constantly about most people in the NFL -- league and teams -- being dumb. (Not that his drafting in the final years of his Patriots run was any less dumb.)
One of the keys to the Eagles' success is that they changed their drafting philosophy after 2020 (the year they passed up Jefferson for Jalen Reagor). They target players who have played well for big-time programs. And they get less swayed by workout warriors. Sure enough, every draft of theirs from 2021 to 2024 produced impact players.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
When Daniel Jones loses to Miami at home to open the season, reality will set in on what they can accomplish this year at the Qb position
They get Denver the following week at home, could lose both games at home to open their season
Richardson was almost never gonna make it, the fantasy community wanted to see run for1,500 yds and whatever he threw on top was gravy to them
The NFL is not fantasy and the reality of his limitations from the moment he was drafted were very apparent.
Maybe he can land elsewhere and actually gain some playing time, he's not going to get it right now from the team that drafted him 4th overall just 2 years ago
Would you trade ARich for a 4th or 5th round pick right now?
They get Denver the following week at home, could lose both games at home to open their season
Richardson was almost never gonna make it, the fantasy community wanted to see run for1,500 yds and whatever he threw on top was gravy to them
The NFL is not fantasy and the reality of his limitations from the moment he was drafted were very apparent.
Maybe he can land elsewhere and actually gain some playing time, he's not going to get it right now from the team that drafted him 4th overall just 2 years ago
Would you trade ARich for a 4th or 5th round pick right now?
King of the Jungle
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I would take AR as the Lions backup, but not at his salary level. He gives you some options in short yardage and goal line. He really needs to head to BUF and learn from Allen, one of the anomalies that defeated poor accuracy syndrome.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
this is a total statement, you aren't even giving your 4th overall pick without even a full season of NFL games a shot against a stiff's stiff in Danny Dimes.
The entire experiment is over, teams will think twice before drafting a guy who's played in less than 20 games again
I like A rich, I hope he gets a clean start somewhere
FarFromHome
Footballguy
You'd think so, but it will 100% happen again. Chasing that hall of fame QB is tough. You wanna find it so bad you force it a bit on a guy that has all the "tools".
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Lance looked putrid when given a chance (regular season). I would easily take AR and hope he improves. I also think Trey’s rushing prowess was EXTREMELY overrated. One of the more shocking draft picks by intelligent people I can recall (and then throw in the draft capital..ouch. They did redeem on the Purdy pick,,,credit where it deserves. Franchise QB with the last overall pick…you joking my a$$?
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Brutal:
55 QBs have 175 att last 2 years
Richardson ranks:
#55 of 55 in accuracy
#55 of 55 in completion rate
#50 of 55 in TD:INT ratio
55 QBs have 175 att last 2 years
Richardson ranks:
#55 of 55 in accuracy
#55 of 55 in completion rate
#50 of 55 in TD:INT ratio
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
And yet some wonder why Jones won the job?
I actually have been wondering if Richardson could get traded before the regular season starts. I can think of a handful of teams/coaches who might want to give a toolsy prospect a shot, and think coaching may have been the problem. Just off the top of my head the following teams make some sense to me:
Baltimore, maybe learn from a running QB, and no QB controversy.
Denver, Taysom Hill 2.0?
LA Rams, a cheaper flier that maybe McVay could mold as a ball of clay into something. If not, get Stafford's replacement next offseason? Would think Jimmy G is the #2 regardless.
Miami, I mean, as bad as he's been, I'd prefer him to Wilson/Ewers.
New Orleans, probably the only team where he could compete for a starting job.
NY Jets, cheap flier, somewhat stylistically similar to Fields, who they've vowed to run often.
How does his average air yards and yards per attempt compare to those other 55?
FarFromHome
Footballguy
That's a very good and inquisitive question. I have no idea, but would be curious to know. Every time I've seen this dude he displays amazing arm strength. Dude can chuck it that's for sure.
I'm not sure he has a very good agent. Never heard of the guy until today. Looked him up and he's got a super weak client roster. LIke a few fringe NFL roster guys and AR. I think he hired his agent from Gainesville, did a local dude a favor. That's to bad because I think a more high profile type of agency would have taken better care of him with respect to handling stuff like off-season training and getting him set up with the right infrastructure when away from the team.
Anyway I'm not sure his agent is playing things the right way going public and saying trust is fractured. I think he's totally right to question if this was ever a fair competition and to not trust the Colts. That's all understandable. But just not sure going public is the best move most especially because the only goal I could see to do that is to try and force them to trade him and right now I don't see any situation that is better. There are no job openings and being a backup to Daniel Jones would seem to put you a whole lot closer to being a starter then just about anywhere else. But I guess that's easier for me to say from where I sit and they really feel like trust is broken in a case like that I guess you'd welcome just about any change but I think if he can stick it out he'll be starting games before the season is over and in that scenario could outlast Stiechen.
Anyway I'm not sure his agent is playing things the right way going public and saying trust is fractured. I think he's totally right to question if this was ever a fair competition and to not trust the Colts. That's all understandable. But just not sure going public is the best move most especially because the only goal I could see to do that is to try and force them to trade him and right now I don't see any situation that is better. There are no job openings and being a backup to Daniel Jones would seem to put you a whole lot closer to being a starter then just about anywhere else. But I guess that's easier for me to say from where I sit and they really feel like trust is broken in a case like that I guess you'd welcome just about any change but I think if he can stick it out he'll be starting games before the season is over and in that scenario could outlast Stiechen.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Anthony Richardson’s camp has stern message for Colts after Daniel Jones wins starting QB job
The Colts’ Daniel Jones decision isn’t going over well with Anthony Richardson’s camp.
nypost.com
-I think Richardson handled himself well actually
@menobrown might be on to something about the professionalism of his agent
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I think one of the benefits of NIL is that you'll see guys stay in school longer.
Chaka
Footballguy
Or 56 QB get 175 pass attempts this year.
Obviously don't know either. All I knew and went on a spiel in this thread previously was that his air yards led the league last year and his yards per pass attempt was higher then Jones despite a much lower completion percentage. I certainly don't want to obscure the fact he's played poorly on the whole, I just have felt context was needed when people keep introducing his completion percentage and some other numbers, especially in relation to Jones.
This is what Stephen Holder wrote last night and it kind of sums it up what I've been trying to say:
But there's a reality that must be considered with Richardson: Many of the typical rules of assessing quarterbacks don't apply to him. His league-high air yards per attempt (11.4) and his rushing ability -- Richardson was third among quarterbacks in rushing yards per game -- give him higher efficiency marks than his 47.7% completion rate last season would suggest. To that end, consider: Richardson averaged 6.9 yards per attempt last season while Jones averaged 6.1 (despite Jones having significantly more completions) and their QBRs were nearly identical.
Are the Colts, Anthony Richardson headed for a breakup? Is there a trade market? What's next?
Naming Daniel Jones the starter might have irrevocably damaged the relationship between the Colts and Richardson? Here's what to know.
rustycolts
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I'm a Gator fan and I could never understand the love for Richardson. He is just a worse version of Tebow. We all know how Tebow faired in the NFL. He at least made it to the playoffs I don't think Richardson is even going to do that.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Benjamin Disraeli (attributed): "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Pete Carroll said this about Richardson and could be a potential landing spot behind Geno Smith
Carroll said his the Seahawks considered selecting Richardson in 2023 if he fell a bit further in the draft
"We considered him," Carroll said. "Shoot, we flew all the way out there to go see him. Not just to see him but to be around him and watch him and how he handled himself, and his program with all the hype that was going.
"We gave him tremendous consideration. He might be the best athlete that's ever been drafted at that position. He's arguably that. So, we had to definitely consider that."
-Maybe someone like that will trade a Day 3 pick for him
Carroll said his the Seahawks considered selecting Richardson in 2023 if he fell a bit further in the draft
"We considered him," Carroll said. "Shoot, we flew all the way out there to go see him. Not just to see him but to be around him and watch him and how he handled himself, and his program with all the hype that was going.
"We gave him tremendous consideration. He might be the best athlete that's ever been drafted at that position. He's arguably that. So, we had to definitely consider that."
-Maybe someone like that will trade a Day 3 pick for him
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