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QB Baker Mayfield, TB (1 Viewer)
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Just tells ya how awful Todd Haley is. 'innovation' and 'ability to adapt' are not phrases on his resume.
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If you're talking about the long list, maybe.
If you're talking about players who deserve to actually win the award, neither should be in that conversation.
Saquon Barkley just gained 2000 yards from scrimmage behind the 5th worst offensive line in the league. So, no. We're no longer discussing it.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
you legitimately believe they'll give it to saquon?
i rule nothing out in life, but this would be complete insanity. a kid BROKE MANNING'S RECORD in 13 games.
He turned around the most volatile franchise perhaps in ALL of sports into a legit playoff contender and now being respected by everyone.
I think it could go either way. Both had tremendous years. The reason I slightly favor Barkley is that the Browns have vastly improved on both sides of the ball. A ton of young talent there. They were going to be much better regardless. Both appear to be great talents who should be perenial pro bowlers. Like I said above, I wouldn't be upset or surprised if either one of them won the award.
Ghost Rider
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I would lean towards Mayfield because his rookie play actually resulted in a greatly improved W/L record for the Browns, while Barkley's play did not for his team. Not Barkley's fault, but while Barkley was a better RB than Mayfield was a QB, a QB is inherently far more valuable than a RB.
That said, like you, I won't quibble over either winning.
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Bracie Smathers
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The Brown defense gave up nearly 300 yards on the ground yesterday.
The only thing that kept them in that game was the 370+ air yards and 3 passing TDs from Baker who did that going up agains the #1 defense in the NFL and he threw for over 700 combined yards in the two games he faced that D.
MAC_32
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Peak
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That and you also admitted that you're not a fan of Mayfield, so I'm sure there isn't just a little bit of bias in there - of course the same can be said about us....so moving on.
Not all of the picks have worked out, but some have and it has helped. But if you think this team is the same team that started the season, you obviously haven't watched any CLE games this year. @MAC_32 is completely accurate saying the team that played after 10/29 is different than the team that started the season. Yes the names and numbers are mostly the same, but the talent, effort, and attitude are not. The change in coaching had a lot to do with it. Look at the oline, for example. First half of the season they gave up over 20 sacks and was rated one of the worst in the league. The oline that you called one of the best in the league didn't happen until the QB under center took over. His elusiveness and quick throws helped take time/pressure off the oline. They no longer had to block for statues that held on to the ball for 30-50secs at a time waiting to be sacked. This same line that started the season were also one of the most penalized for holding. I wonder why? But after 10/29, this unit did a complete 180. I wonder why?
The defense has remained the same, but they were on the field moreso the first half of the season than they were the last half. They still couldn't stop the run, but at least they weren't gassed being on the field for 60-70% of the game, as they were in the first half. Suddenly the offense showed up, a certain QB kept drives alive, allowing the defense to get some rest. What happened in the second half? The defense played a little better. They had time to rest and plan and get ready. It's amazing what a good offense will do for a team's production. It's also amazing what a very good QB can do to revitalize and lead a struggling offense.
This team is a Dr Jekyl vs Mr Hyde this season. If you can't recognize that, then I don't know what else to say. The catalyst of the change this season was all Baker. Saquon had a great year, stat-wise, but you can't tell me that with a better QB he would have been more electric, more outstanding. The QB matters. An NFL Record Breaking QB is just as stellar. Saquon carried the ball very well this season. Baker carried his team even better.
Mayfield finished as the league's 15th rated QB. I'm not trying to minimize the effect his attitude and leadership has made to the Browns. But he's got a long way to go before he's near the top of his position. You guys get very offended if we don't think that your players are the best in the world. Mayfield is going to be a good one. He's already a good one. Saquon is probably the best back in football already.
Maybe the first time we have co ROY? Looking back at 2015 seeing Gurley win over Winston, who had a pretty impressive season for a QB. Then the following year, Dak edges out Zeke who had almost as good a season as Barkley just had. Of course Dak made the playoffs and only threw 4 INTs.
I could see either guy winning, but I would guess Mayfield wins it since the edge usually goes to QB. I think 2015 was an anomaly as Gurley's recovery from injury "feel good story" most likely played into the voting. Otherwise Winston probably would have won.
I could see either guy winning, but I would guess Mayfield wins it since the edge usually goes to QB. I think 2015 was an anomaly as Gurley's recovery from injury "feel good story" most likely played into the voting. Otherwise Winston probably would have won.
Peak
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Not offended...just trying to help you keep an open mind. I mean, you are in the Baker thread touting your Barkley wares. What did you think was going to happen?
I thought maybe saying I wouldn't be upset if either of them won might let people realize where I fall on the issue. I guess saying that I slightly favor Barkley was enough to set off some people. LOLNot offended...just trying to help you keep an open mind. I mean, you are in the Baker thread touting your Barkley wares. What did you think was going to happen?
Peak
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Again....Baker thread bud...
I get what you're saying, and I agree with you in Barkley's talent. I just have the opposite opinion that Baker is the better Rookie this year. If Baker and Barkley were in separate years, then I'd give it to Barkley no doubt. But everything Baker has done to raise the team puts him well above just having good stats. Both have broken rookie records. Both have played very well as the starters in their respective positions. One just elevates the team to play at a higher level moreso than the other.
MAC_32
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Pretty much. Because it isnt an issue. It's a slam dunk. Might Barkley win? Sure. Because there are a lot of people that dont put much thought nor effort into it. If you've been paying attention to what's been happening here the last two plus years (and let's be honest two decades) and recognize the total 180 and how it happened then you wouldn't be arguing anything. Each player's respective impact on their team is not debatable.
By definition, if 'Barkley might win', it is not a slam dunk. I get that as a forever frustrated Browns fan, Mayfield's impact is monumental. but knowing how many early round picks the Browns have accumulated and used over the last several years, and realizing they did very well with the majority of those pics of, the success was happening anyway. That's the way the leagie works.Mayfield certainly accelerated it and played very well. It should be interesting. A young energetic quarterback helps take a terrible team to a 500 record. another rookie plays behind one of the worst lines in the entire league and still gets over 2000 yards from scrimmage. Both deserve it, and in most years, they would both run away with it
Soulfly3
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Offensive rookie of the year means exactly what it says. You want to change the definition to most valuable to push your own agenda and help Mayfield's cause.
Soulfly3
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if it simply just means what it says, then 3725yds / 27tds >>>>>>>>>> 2028yds / 15yds
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Bracie Smathers
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Shots fired.
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Colin CowherdVerified account @ColinCowherd
For the record, I thought @bakermayfield had the best three pick, 23 of 42, losing effort, all season.
5:24 PM - 30 Dec 2018
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Colin CowherdVerified account @ColinCowherd
For the record, I thought @bakermayfield had the best three pick, 23 of 42, losing effort, all season.
5:24 PM - 30 Dec 2018
Where does 3725/27 rank amongst league quarterbacks? And where does 2028/15 rank amongst running backs? Viola! There's your answer.
Peak
Footballguy
Hate Cowherd. But crap like this will just fuel Baker moving forward. Keep spewing #### for clicks/ratings Colon. I can't wait to see what Baker does next for your career.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
OROY means just that.
Nowhere does it say "in comparison to their counterparts"
Your words.
Peak
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I'm sure it did. Imagine what winning the OROY will do his agenda next year!
My favorite part of the last couple of days is listening to all the talking heads who a year ago said Baker was too small, would never be a good NFL QB are now advocating for the smaller Kyle Murray to forego his MLB career and take the reigns as a top level NFL QB. Dude is 2 inches shorter and about 20lbs lighter than Baker!!!
MAC_32
Footballguy
The only reason he might win is because there are a lot of simple minded people voting. I never even considered Mayfield not winning a possibility til I started reading what other people were thinking about a week or so ago. It was silly talk then and it's no less silly now. I'm accepting the possibility but it's because there are people out there that think this team was improving anyway. They weren't. They were getting worse. Repeating falsehoods over and over again may work on some, but it doesnt make it any less wrong.
MAC_32
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Bronco Billy
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This guy just can’t help wanting to be the biggest db in a crowded room of them over there. I’m sure Mayfield would enjoy undressing him again face to face if Cowherd had the sack to risk it.
MAC_32
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Bronco Billy
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Just wanted to take a step away from the fun with Junior, to say that I have watched this clip over and over since I saw it in the game yesterday. The creativity and the ability to fake a jet sweep like this that froze the defense and left a streaking WR wide open downfield for a TD - it's just amazing. I don't recall another QB doing something like this....Favre maybe? Not sure if Baker ad-libbed this, or if Kitchens had him practicing in the mirror, but whatever he did, Baker sold it extremely well.
P.S. I could listen to Baldy talk about Baker after every game.
@Browns @bakermayfield who else is even TRYING these kind of ball fake mechanics? This is “Harlem Globetrotters” kind of magic.
P.S. I could listen to Baldy talk about Baker after every game.
@Browns @bakermayfield who else is even TRYING these kind of ball fake mechanics? This is “Harlem Globetrotters” kind of magic.
MAC_32
Footballguy
He cant hear you over the pile of money he is sleeping on built from this exact schtick.
MAC_32
Footballguy
And you couldn't wait to respond. Because your entire argument centers around numbers and not what's actually happening on the field. Which is why the argument is so incredinly silly in the first place. You're confusing football with fantasy.
While Cowherd definitely runs his mouth just to get clicks, he does hit upon something that's very true. Cleveland fans are so excited to finally have a contender, that they judge Mayfield on a different scale then they would any other quarterback in the league. Had that been Cousins or Wentz or Prescott completing barely over 50% of his passes with three interceptions, including one on a chance for a last-minute victory, the narrative would be that he's not good under pressure. Yesterday was the closest Baker Mayfield has ever come to playing in a game that was meaningful in the NFL. Even though they had no shot at the playoffs, it was a playoff atmosphere. Like I said, if any other NFL quarterback would have had those numbers including an interception to clinch it for the other team, the narrative would be 100% different.
Lol. My God, if this is any indication of what Cleveland Brown fans are going to become now that they finally might have a decent team, it's going to be unbearable for everyone else. You guys are nearly New England Patriots fan-obnoxious already. For a .500 team and its quarterback. You guys are swarming all over someone who said he wouldn't be shocked if either guy won rookie of the Year. You're actually insulted that everyone in the world doesn't think your guy is Tom Brady all the sudden. Good God, I can only imagine what you guys are going to be like if you ever make the playoffs. Or God forbid, win a playoff game.
MAC_32
Footballguy
It's only coming across this way because you have absolutely no clue what the state of this team was in October and are then spinning this into a laughable Tom Brady like fantasy. Your hyperbole in one direction, ignorance in the other, and obsession with numbers are the problems. This team was not on upward trajectory. It was tanking again. Several pieces contributed to the dramatic correction but they all followed one guy. A rookie of all people. BUTT BOX SCORE
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Cowered dug his heels in during the draft process before Cleveland took him and has chosen to die on that hill but at this point he knows he's lost and isn't nearly as serious as Baker about what was said.
I wouldn't go off the rails on anything Cowered says about Baker going forward. He's already lost and he knows it so at this point whatever he says is schtick.
