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QB Brock Purdy, SF (2 Viewers)

LawFitz said:
Wingnut said:
111.3 QBR for Purdy tonight. Mediocre as F
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No matter what you point to, there will continue to be loud doubt(er)s. And if/when all else fails, they'll attribute his success to Shanahan, which can't/won't be disproven anytime soon. Keep fighting for your boy, but know that you are pushing a boulder uphill in that respect.
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I don't think he's elite by any means, but I just don't get the hate for him. All the "put him on (name a team) and he would suck" talk is so bizarre to me. He's not on another team, he's a 49er, so those statements are just dumb.

But whatever, I'm having fun watching him take down team after team.
 
Wingnut said:
put him on (name a team) and he would suck
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Verbatim was said about Brady for a decade and a half at least. We have three very recent Shanahan-coached comps for Brock, and per my eye test, he compares favorably to all of them, with only prime Matt Ryan being even a debate... Grop, Trey Area and Mateo Ice.

Stats are in his favor too. Excluding the NFC title game for obvious reasons, he is now 11-0 as a starter. His YPA was a very solid 8.0 during last year's regular season, and ramped up to 9.0 during the playoffs. It's coming in right around 8.0 through three games this year. During that 11 game run, he has thrown 2+ TDs in a game NINE times and has not once thrown more than one INT. 20-3 total TD/Int ratio in those 11 games!

These numbers extrapolated would make him a low-level QB1 in fantasy this season, but arguably much more valuable than that, given his remarkable consistency week to week. And all this is assuming the Niners don't end up needing to lean into their passing offense more later in the season when fantasy champions are made.
 
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Wingnut said:
LawFitz said:
Wingnut said:
111.3 QBR for Purdy tonight. Mediocre as F
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No matter what you point to, there will continue to be loud doubt(er)s. And if/when all else fails, they'll attribute his success to Shanahan, which can't/won't be disproven anytime soon. Keep fighting for your boy, but know that you are pushing a boulder uphill in that respect.
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I don't think he's elite by any means, but I just don't get the hate for him. All the "put him on (name a team) and he would suck" talk is so bizarre to me. He's not on another team, he's a 49er, so those statements are just dumb.

But whatever, I'm having fun watching him take down team after team.
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Elite? Idc. Dude is good.

I can't get past the Brady comp even tho it's too obvious. Being overlooked as a 7th round pick thing, great coaching, and all the winning, yada yada.

Besides that, his skill set is very similar also. Brock may be a little more mobile, and also more fun. His best ability as for playing QB is processing. Hims getting the ball out quick is a testament to that. Altho too, that's part of Shanny's offense. Jimmy G was also one of the quickest while he played there. Brock's results are far better.

This is a couple weeks late, his game against the Steelers. (I'll have the Giants game done soon) Brock is by no means a dink-and-dunker. He did miss a couple intermediate opportunities in the 2nd half, but perhaps the score had something to do with that.

Let's keep in mind Brady didn't become a fantasy darling until when he was in his 30s. You may remember his season with Randy Moss. Before that he was winning games without having to carry the team.

Give it a few years for Purdy, I say. For fantasy I mean. At some point he won't be playing on his rookie contract anymore. Wherein the 49ers likely won't be affording a RB like McCafferty and the best defense in the league. Then they'll have to rely more on Purdy to win games.

I think he's more of a QB2 right now.
 
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zamboni said:
TampaMike19 said:
What a cheat code to get a 7th round pick salary on the books and provides starting caliber nfl production.
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At that critical position, one could argue it more than makes up for the draft capital/opportunity cost wasted on Lance.
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No. :lol: The amount they lost on Lance is... incredible.

It SEEMS to have worked out wonderfully for them 3yrs later. but absolutely no.

  • 2021 first-round pick (No. 12 overall)
  • 2022 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)
  • 2022 third-round pick (No. 101 overall)
  • 2023 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)
 
Soulfly3 said:
zamboni said:
TampaMike19 said:
What a cheat code to get a 7th round pick salary on the books and provides starting caliber nfl production.
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At that critical position, one could argue it more than makes up for the draft capital/opportunity cost wasted on Lance.
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No. :lol: The amount they lost on Lance is... incredible.

It SEEMS to have worked out wonderfully for them 3yrs later. but absolutely no.

  • 2021 first-round pick (No. 12 overall)
  • 2022 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)
  • 2022 third-round pick (No. 101 overall)
  • 2023 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)
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Fair points, but who knows who they would have drafted there - and whether they’d be impact players - and it’s all sunk costs now regardless. Despite all that draft capital lost, the team has its QB and is a viable SB contender. I’d say they sidestepped that landmine - which would have set most franchises back years - pretty well.
 
I was skeptical. I've come full circle. Dude can make all the throws. With that running game and defense he can challenge any team in the league. Still not buying him as an elite fantasy asset, but is good enough to give them a chance come playoff time.
 
I have #1 QB consistency issues and I'm thankful I grabbed Purdy late as my #2. He looks the part. Calm under fire. Ice cold killer out there. Love to see it. He's perfect for this team, perfect for this scheme, and the talent around him will help him to levels previously believed to be unattainable for the last pick in the draft...
 
Not sure why people still doubt the kid. Yes, he's not perfect and could have been picked off twice early if not for Kittle and Deebo breaking up the plays, but my goodness he dropped some passes last night with pass rushers around him that were sweet to watch. He throws with anticipation and appears to read the game well. What's not to like from this young QB?
 
If Purdy mixes in a few touchdown runs - he had 2 in 7 games last year and 1 in 3 games this year - he's a borderline top 10 if he comes close to 2 passing TDs per game like he had last year. He came close to 2 more passing TDs yesterday - the pass to CMC and the pass to Kittle when he stumbled.
 
crushedspirit said:
Not sure why people still doubt the kid. Yes, he's not perfect and could have been picked off twice early if not for Kittle and Deebo breaking up the plays, but my goodness he dropped some passes last night with pass rushers around him that were sweet to watch. He throws with anticipation and appears to read the game well. What's not to like from this young QB?
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Yeah he gets picked apart from play to play more than just about anyone I’ve ever seen. He had some miscues last night(lots of high balls, which I would prefer to see as opposed to being underthrown) but in the end he made it work(for both NFL and fantasy) like he always does.

I think it’s still the fact that he was the last pick in the draft. But I have news for the doubters; he’s not turning into a pumpkin anytime soon. We’ve seen enough from him at this point to know he’s legit and that last season was not a fluke.

Is he in a fantastic situation? Of course. But he’s also still executing and doing what needs to be done.

Acknowledge him.
 
Purdy is getting beat up today on social media. I'm getting burned alive on reddit.

Last night was the first time he's been tested against the house blitz over and over. He didn't look spectacular against. But he didnt fall apart either. He wasn't 'seeing ghosts' out there.

I think he passed with a C.

It's worth noting Aiyuk didn't play, who is their best receiver against man coverage. Seemed like the Giants were locking them down.
 
cdclopper said:
Purdy is getting beat up today on social media. I'm getting burned alive on reddit.

Last night was the first time he's been tested against the house blitz over and over. He didn't look spectacular against. But he didnt fall apart either. He wasn't 'seeing ghosts' out there.

I think he passed with a C.

It's worth noting Aiyuk didn't play, who is their best receiver against man coverage. Seemed like the Giants were locking them down.
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Very weird that Purdy is getting beaten up today. He wasn’t perfect last night, but he absolutely was calm overall and handled the blitz well for a guy with so little experience. That said, he was also inaccurate on a number of passes, including at least one that miraculously wasn’t intercepted.

Not having Aiyuk was a definite negative.
 
cdclopper said:
Purdy is getting beat up today on social media
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I'm not seeing that at all, but I don't follow Grant Cohn or other known 49er haters. 95% of what I've seen has been positive outside mentioning him being a little off in the 1st qtr.

Purdy doesn't listen to all the outside noise, so why should we? It's all click bait nonsense.
 
cdclopper said:
Purdy is getting beat up today on social media. I'm getting burned alive on reddit.

Last night was the first time he's been tested against the house blitz over and over. He didn't look spectacular against. But he didnt fall apart either. He wasn't 'seeing ghosts' out there.

I think he passed with a C.

It's worth noting Aiyuk didn't play, who is their best receiver against man coverage. Seemed like the Giants were locking them down.
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He did start out rough for sure, but maybe I was watching a different game where he ended up tossing several accurate throws with rushers in his face for big plays.
 
cdclopper said:
Purdy is getting beat up today on social media. I'm getting burned alive on reddit.

Last night was the first time he's been tested against the house blitz over and over. He didn't look spectacular against. But he didnt fall apart either. He wasn't 'seeing ghosts' out there.

I think he passed with a C.

It's worth noting Aiyuk didn't play, who is their best receiver against man coverage. Seemed like the Giants were locking them down.
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Getting beat up after throwing for 310yds with 2 TDs and 0 INT for a 111 qb rating in primetime?

This dude has started 12 games and he looks like an 8 year veteran with 2 super bowl appearances under his belt back there. As cool as can be.
 
FreeBaGeL said:
cdclopper said:
Purdy is getting beat up today on social media. I'm getting burned alive on reddit.

Last night was the first time he's been tested against the house blitz over and over. He didn't look spectacular against. But he didnt fall apart either. He wasn't 'seeing ghosts' out there.

I think he passed with a C.

It's worth noting Aiyuk didn't play, who is their best receiver against man coverage. Seemed like the Giants were locking them down.
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Getting beat up after throwing for 310yds with 2 TDs and 0 INT for a 111 qb rating in primetime?

This dude has started 12 games and he looks like an 8 year veteran with 2 super bowl appearances under his belt back there. As cool as can be.
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Yep.

If people are beating him up over that, I’d not be taking a future take of theirs seriously going forward.
 
FreeBaGeL said:
cdclopper said:
Purdy is getting beat up today on social media. I'm getting burned alive on reddit.

Last night was the first time he's been tested against the house blitz over and over. He didn't look spectacular against. But he didnt fall apart either. He wasn't 'seeing ghosts' out there.

I think he passed with a C.

It's worth noting Aiyuk didn't play, who is their best receiver against man coverage. Seemed like the Giants were locking them down.
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Getting beat up after throwing for 310yds with 2 TDs and 0 INT for a 111 qb rating in primetime?

This dude has started 12 games and he looks like an 8 year veteran with 2 super bowl appearances under his belt back there. As cool as can be.
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Social Media is a cesspool, so not surprising

He missed some throws early but what QB doesn't? He ended up playing a really good game.
 
I'm sure it's super subjective, and I got off most social media cesspools, but for me this has been one of those situations where 95% of all the comments I see are talking about the hate Purdy is getting, yet I have to scroll like 5 pages until I finally find a negative comment the rest of the people are talking about lol. Lot's of people super passionate about this guy, that's for sure. Glad to snag him at value in SF. He legit has the best offensive skill group in the entire NFL, beyond me how he was going ~QB20.
 
QBRs (Weeks 1-3, 2023)

1. Tua Tagovailoa 82.9
2. Brock Purdy 78.8
3. Justin Herbert 74.7
4. Jared Goff 70.8
5. Patrick Mahomes 69.2
6. Josh Allen 69.2
6. Jordan Love 69.2
8. Geno Smith 68.5
9. Dak Prescott 65.2
10. Joshua Dobbs 61.2
11. Gardner Minshew 61.2
12. Kirk Cousins 59.5
13. Russell Wilson 59.4
14. Lamar Jackson 57.3
15. Matthew Stafford 56.8
16. Mac Jones 55.0
17. Baker Mayfield 52.2
18. Jimmy Garoppolo 51.9
19. Derek Carr 50.6
20. C.J. Stroud 50.0
21. Daniel Jones 46.6
22. Deshaun Watson 46.2
23. Jalen Hurts 44.2
24. Andy Dalton 43.6
25. Sam Howell 43.2
26. Trevor Lawrence 41.2
27. Anthony Richardson 40.8
28. Joe Burrow 38.1
29. Desmond Ridder 36.0
30. Bryce Young 34.9
31. Kenny Pickett 34.0
32. Ryan Tannehill 27.9
33. Zach Wilson 26.7
34. Justin Fields 21.0

 
Wingnut said:
QBRs (Weeks 1-3, 2023)

1. Tua Tagovailoa 82.9
2. Brock Purdy 78.8
3. Justin Herbert 74.7
4. Jared Goff 70.8
5. Patrick Mahomes 69.2
6. Josh Allen 69.2
6. Jordan Love 69.2
8. Geno Smith 68.5
9. Dak Prescott 65.2
10. Joshua Dobbs 61.2
11. Gardner Minshew 61.2
12. Kirk Cousins 59.5
13. Russell Wilson 59.4
14. Lamar Jackson 57.3
15. Matthew Stafford 56.8
16. Mac Jones 55.0
17. Baker Mayfield 52.2
18. Jimmy Garoppolo 51.9
19. Derek Carr 50.6
20. C.J. Stroud 50.0
21. Daniel Jones 46.6
22. Deshaun Watson 46.2
23. Jalen Hurts 44.2
24. Andy Dalton 43.6
25. Sam Howell 43.2
26. Trevor Lawrence 41.2
27. Anthony Richardson 40.8
28. Joe Burrow 38.1
29. Desmond Ridder 36.0
30. Bryce Young 34.9
31. Kenny Pickett 34.0
32. Ryan Tannehill 27.9
33. Zach Wilson 26.7
34. Justin Fields 21.0

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I don't follow QBR that closely, but these all seem a bit lower than I would have thought? Are there normally this many under 70?
 
pinkstapler said:
I don't follow QBR that closely, but these all seem a bit lower than I would have thought? Are there normally this many under 70?
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Yep. Lots of below average QBs in the league.

An average quarterback will have a QBR around 50, and a Pro Bowl-level player will have a QBR around 75 for the season. (quoted from link below)

Total QBR explained:

www.espn.com

How is Total QBR calculated? We explain our quarterback rating

Although not perfect, the metric incorporates all of a quarterback's contributions. Check out what goes into the computations.
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This might not be the right place, but I will ask anyway! Would you give Rhamondre for Purdy in a start-two QB, start-12-players dynasty? It's a TRUE start two QB league, no superflex. QBs are GOLD in this format. Thoughts?
 
dipandglide said:
This might not be the right place, but I will ask anyway! Would you give Rhamondre for Purdy in a start-two QB, start-12-players dynasty? It's a TRUE start two QB league, no superflex. QBs are GOLD in this format. Thoughts?
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In a league like that I value QBs that have an absolute lock on a starting job for the long haul. Which seems to me to fit Purdy perfectly.
 
The Insiders (NFL Network) talk Purdys elite processing and decision making (video in link)

www.nfl.com

Previewing Cardinals-49ers in Week 4 | 'The Insiders'

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Tom Pelissero, Brian Baldinger and Steve Wyche weigh in on San Francisco 49ers quarterback Brock Purdy as he prepares to face the Arizona Cardinals defense, led by HC Jonathan Gannon, in Week 4 of the 2023 season.
www.nfl.com www.nfl.com


Colin Cowherd looks at Brock Purdy's first 8 starts compared to others 49ers quarterbacks...

"He hasn't had a bad game." (video in link)

 
dipandglide said:
This might not be the right place, but I will ask anyway! Would you give Rhamondre for Purdy in a start-two QB, start-12-players dynasty? It's a TRUE start two QB league, no superflex. QBs are GOLD in this format. Thoughts?
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In that format I would need more than just Rhamondre for Purdy so if you can swing that I’d do it.
 
zamboni said:
taylormeetstheismann said:
zamboni said:
Just wish we could swap out some of these efficiency metrics for more fantasy upside, but alas that’s not how it works.
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Sometimes I think FF would be a lot better with a more basic scoring system.
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If you mean a higher correlation to real life NFL value, I very much agree.
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Exactly. I‘d like to have FF game scores that look like NFL game scores. However, I don’t think I could ever get everyone to go for it.
 
dipandglide said:
This might not be the right place, but I will ask anyway! Would you give Rhamondre for Purdy in a start-two QB, start-12-players dynasty? It's a TRUE start two QB league, no superflex. QBs are GOLD in this format. Thoughts?
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I love Rhamondre, probably more than most, and I think I would do this in a heartbeat. I don't have nearly the same history with SF as I do start 1 leagues, but this feels like a steal value wise. I don't see any reason SF would move on from Purdy anytime soon. And with the team they have, I don't see them even having a high enough pick in the near future to take a swing at anyone that could even reasonably challenge him.
 
pinkstapler said:
dipandglide said:
This might not be the right place, but I will ask anyway! Would you give Rhamondre for Purdy in a start-two QB, start-12-players dynasty? It's a TRUE start two QB league, no superflex. QBs are GOLD in this format. Thoughts?
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I love Rhamondre, probably more than most, and I think I would do this in a heartbeat. I don't have nearly the same history with SF as I do start 1 leagues, but this feels like a steal value wise. I don't see any reason SF would move on from Purdy anytime soon. And with the team they have, I don't see them even having a high enough pick in the near future to take a swing at anyone that could even reasonably challenge him.
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Especially since he has never lost a game when he has not blown out his elbow. I own this guy nowhere, but it is so obvious that he is the real deal.
 
abrunn1133 said:
pinkstapler said:
dipandglide said:
This might not be the right place, but I will ask anyway! Would you give Rhamondre for Purdy in a start-two QB, start-12-players dynasty? It's a TRUE start two QB league, no superflex. QBs are GOLD in this format. Thoughts?
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I love Rhamondre, probably more than most, and I think I would do this in a heartbeat. I don't have nearly the same history with SF as I do start 1 leagues, but this feels like a steal value wise. I don't see any reason SF would move on from Purdy anytime soon. And with the team they have, I don't see them even having a high enough pick in the near future to take a swing at anyone that could even reasonably challenge him.
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Especially since he has never lost a game when he has not blown out his elbow. I own this guy nowhere, but it is so obvious that he is the real deal.
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My only SF leagues are redraft until we convert my longest running dynasty to SF this offseason. I can tell you right now, Purdy will be a sneaky target of mine. I'm hoping rookie fever sweeps through my league and I can snag guys like him, Goff, Love (yes even after that miserable performance lol) for less than they should be going for because of it.
 
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