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QB Brock Purdy, SF (2 Viewers)

You asked my opinion, I gave it, you don't like it. I pointed out the areas that I think he's not very good in. You've pointed out...well...nothing actually
All you've done is mimic the click bait haters. "Deep ball blah...arm strength meh...he just dunks and dunks...game manager with great supporting cast".

You ignore the numbers and situations that are posted all over this thread because he doesnt pass your eye test. Sorry you can't accept that Mr Irrelevant is actually a good QB.

See ya week 13 when you'll get a good eyefull.
 
You asked my opinion, I gave it, you don't like it. I pointed out the areas that I think he's not very good in. You've pointed out...well...nothing actually
All you've done is mimic the click bait haters. "Deep ball blah...arm strength meh...he just dunks and dunks...game manager with great supporting cast".

You ignore the numbers and situations that are posted all over this thread because he doesnt pass your eye test. Sorry you can't accept that Mr Irrelevant is actually a good QB.

See ya week 13, snot.

They're all valid points, you don't like them because all you want is validation on Purdy.
 
The 49ers are one of the teams that made the playoffs last season that I think can miss the playoff this year.

You have to live in a fantasy world if you think the 49ers QB room has anyone in it that can lead them to the Superbowl.

Update?
I'm in the top percentile of Purdy supporters but it's early for victory laps.

I still don't think he's that good. His deep balls are pretty meh. He doesn't have NFL arm strength for the sideline throws. He's asked to throw the ball in short and intermediate routes and allow the skill position talent around him to do the rest. As far as the playoffs go, I under-estimated how completely mediocre the NFL is this year.
I know this is the Purdy thread but I do recall these same limitations being stated about Hurts during his rookie year. And he just got better. Same thing is likely for Purdy IMO. He's a winner (just like Hurts).
 
They're all valid points, you don't like them because all you want is validation on Purdy.
If you think I really care what an Eagles fan thinks, you're mistaken. I've watched every down he's played, so I know he's good. I'm just trying to understand the hate. But it really doesn't matter, I lose zero sleep over it.
 
As much as I want a SB win because Im a 49er fan, I'm starting to want it almost as much just to see all the haters blow gaskets if/when it happens.

This idiot for example. He admits being a Purdy hater, and his QB rankings aren't based in reality or for fantasty football, but rather on a hypothetical. WTF?! 😂

- Writer vows to stop covering the NFL if 49ers win Super Bowl with Brock Purdy -

Steven Ruiz has firmly planted himself in the camp of Brock Purdy skeptics. The writer for The Ringer doesn't believe the San Francisco 49ers can win the Super Bowl with Purdy under center. He believes it so much that he is willing to put his career on the line.

"He's running the offense well, and I get the argument that, 'Oh, yeah, he's a good quarterback for this system, and he's the right quarterback for this system,' and then I get yelled at when I rank him 25th.

"Here's my thing: I'm ranking these quarterbacks, not based on their suitability for the Kyle Shanahan system. I'm ranking them based on what they would do in a normal offense, like a league-average offense. :loco:

Can the 49ers win a Super Bowl with Purdy?

"They can't. No," Ruiz responded. "If they do, I'm not covering the sport again. If they win it with Brock Purdy ... Sam Darnold, sure. I can get on board with Sam Darnold, not Brock Purdy."

Ruiz is making it clear that he doesn't think very highly of Purdy, admitting, "I'm a hater. I'm hating so hard right now."



Can't wait to see if this clown keeps his word
 
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I was a doubter during the offseason thinking D coordinators will have a chance to see something on film and limit his success. After week 1 losing Rodgers, Pickett and Howell looking shaky I traded for Purdy. I think he will be a low end QB1 at minimum the next few years.
 
I’m not going to go back through 15 pages and highlight all the doubt I’m sure is in this thread. I’ve loved the kid since they unleashed him on Miami last season. Some of it was pure hopefulness, homer optimism, and the burning desire to rid the franchise of Jimmy G once and for all, but it’s all coming to fruition.

At this point, all of the doubters should finally capitulate and admit the kid can flat out ball.
 
I’m not going to go back through 15 pages and highlight all the doubt I’m sure is in this thread. I’ve loved the kid since they unleashed him on Miami last season. Some of it was pure hopefulness, homer optimism, and the burning desire to rid the franchise of Jimmy G once and for all, but it’s all coming to fruition.

At this point, all of the doubters should finally capitulate and admit the kid can flat out ball.

"LOOK AT ME! I DIDN'T HAVE ANY TAKES OUTSIDE OF I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TELL YOU THAT I TOLD YOU SO!"
 
As much as I want a SB win because Im a 49er fan, I'm starting to want it almost as much just to see all the haters blow gaskets if/when it happens.

This idiot for example. He admits being a Purdy hater, and his QB rankings aren't based in reality or for fantasty football, but rather on a hypothetical. WTF?! 😂

- Writer vows to stop covering the NFL if 49ers win Super Bowl with Brock Purdy -

Steven Ruiz has firmly planted himself in the camp of Brock Purdy skeptics. The writer for The Ringer doesn't believe the San Francisco 49ers can win the Super Bowl with Purdy under center. He believes it so much that he is willing to put his career on the line.

"He's running the offense well, and I get the argument that, 'Oh, yeah, he's a good quarterback for this system, and he's the right quarterback for this system,' and then I get yelled at when I rank him 25th.

"Here's my thing: I'm ranking these quarterbacks, not based on their suitability for the Kyle Shanahan system. I'm ranking them based on what they would do in a normal offense, like a league-average offense. :loco:

Can the 49ers win a Super Bowl with Purdy?

"They can't. No," Ruiz responded. "If they do, I'm not covering the sport again. If they win it with Brock Purdy ... Sam Darnold, sure. I can get on board with Sam Darnold, not Brock Purdy."

Ruiz is making it clear that he doesn't think very highly of Purdy, admitting, "I'm a hater. I'm hating so hard right now."



Can't wait to see if this clown keeps his word

Well now we can see how you track a QB's performance based on social media.
 
If anyone here bothered to read the pre game rankings of either team that listed PA and PF and such (like say they were pretty even on points scored, yet DAL was 1st in PA before tonight, 2nd is pass yards defensed, 14th is rush yards defensed etc.) outside o DAL being ranked 2nd in yards passing against to the 49ers 17th, it really clear that one team is going in the right direction with their QB, the other, well they still can't figure out what to do with the QB or the offense and the head coach. I always think of "swap each QB with the respective teams and get back to me". Even with that, I can say that Brock Purdy is absolutely by far a better QB than Dak Prescott. Would Purdy ve 5-0 with the Cowboys? Yes he would be. Would Prescott be 5-0 with the 49ers?

No. Absolutely, unequivocally not.

Could either bring a franchise like the moribund Falcons 5-0?

Nope.

But which QB would you bank on to win a game?

Purdy.

That's what the pre game numbers bear.

That Dak Prescott still sucks.
 
Luv me some Purd, but the Cowboys are not his final boss to overcome. It'll be the Iggles (or maybe the Lions), followed by one of the Chiefs, Bills or Dolphins, in that order. All more formidable bosses because they have dramatically better coach/QB combos to try to match this juggernaut Niners squad. Sad, but yeah even Campbell/Goof >>McCarthy/Quack.

And that's no indictment on Purdy. Dude's been amazing. And he will be with Shanahan for a long time, so save the who made whom stuff b/c it won't/can't be answered anytime soon.
 
Pretty clear this kid is the real deal - many will continue to believe he's a product of the system, but doesn't matter. All he does is produce and win. For our purposes here, the only question is how high is fantasy ceiling is, as he's going to need a lot of TDs with their awesome defense that is clearly in no mood to allow any shootouts.
 
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I'm done defending Purdy, it's no longer necessary.

Call him whatever you want. Game manager, system QB, lucky, weak arm, whatever.

The only people doubting him now are in denial.
I got in a pretty heated discussion last night with my neighbor while we were watching the game. He's primarily a Raiders fan, but roots for the Niners and he thinks Purdy is a bottom 5 QB in the league, and is just lucky to be in a loaded offense.

Pretty sure the Niners had a losing record last season until Purdy took over. Sure, they added CMC a game before Purdy took over as well, but the kid has still done nothing but play very well every opportunity he has been given.

For those criticizing his lack of arm strength, how many QBs have we seen come into the league hailed for their superior arm strength only to see them crash and burn mentally? I remember people criticizing Brady at the time because he didn't have as strong of an arm as Drew Bledsoe. From what I can tell, Purdy reads the defense very well and makes accurate throws, which are qualities in a QB I'll take over arm strength all day.

I'm not even a Niners fan, but I find him very easy to root for and I hope he continues to prove his doubters wrong.
 
At what point do you start him over Lamar in FF? I agree he's the real deal, but without rushing yards, is he a #1?
 
Man, he just doesn't make bad decisions and executes the offense perfectly. He's going to win multiple SuperBowl's. No doubt in my mind. In real football, not Fantasy, he's already among the top quarterbacks in the league IMO. And Shanahan will open him up more and more, making him a must start in Fantasy too. Only drawback is big leads will make him first half dependent. They can run the ball in the 4th quarter
 
At what point do you start him over Lamar in FF? I agree he's the real deal, but without rushing yards, is he a #1?
I’d say no. If you’re looking for a consistent 15-20 points a game with occasional spike games, Purdy’s your guy. But if you need upside/variance, I’d take a Lamar all day long.
 
I've never heard of The Ringer until 49er fans on the internet complained about what they posted about Purdy.

Imagine that, 49er fans gettin' upset over something posted on the internet they didn't like...

BTW, people here who were defending Purdy, Larry Krueger sends his regards. FIGHTIN' THE GOOD FIGHT!

Last nights game showed that even with CMC not having one of this stellar MVP type games, the 49er offense still remained crisp and explosive (soooo many weapons, as 49er fans used to hear back in the Glory Days) and Purdy executed the game plan on offense with aplomb. This is a very QB friendly offense (give credit to the offensive line as well), the timing between snap to throw to completion is so quick that he keeps the pass rush off balance, and Kyle Shanahan has a ton of confidence in Purdy's arm and accuracy that it's classic "throw to the spot because hey, there's George Kittle right in the middle of that spot", that is all timing and anticipation.

But there is no question that Purdy is a product of the system and talent surrounding him, along with a defense behind him that creates havoc for opposing offenses. Purdy is just taking all that to the level where it's expected and further. His predecessor won games in that system and talent too, and now look at where he's at.

Here's a clue: 49er fans aren't defending him anymore like they had 2022 B.P. - Before Purdy
 
I'm done defending Purdy, it's no longer necessary.

Call him whatever you want. Game manager, system QB, lucky, weak arm, whatever.

The only people doubting him now are in denial.
I got in a pretty heated discussion last night with my neighbor while we were watching the game. He's primarily a Raiders fan, but roots for the Niners and he thinks Purdy is a bottom 5 QB in the league, and is just lucky to be in a loaded offense.

Pretty sure the Niners had a losing record last season until Purdy took over. Sure, they added CMC a game before Purdy took over as well, but the kid has still done nothing but play very well every opportunity he has been given.

For those criticizing his lack of arm strength, how many QBs have we seen come into the league hailed for their superior arm strength only to see them crash and burn mentally? I remember people criticizing Brady at the time because he didn't have as strong of an arm as Drew Bledsoe. From what I can tell, Purdy reads the defense very well and makes accurate throws, which are qualities in a QB I'll take over arm strength all day.

I'm not even a Niners fan, but I find him very easy to root for and I hope he continues to prove his doubters wrong.
I would way rather have a quarterback who can read a defense, make quick decisions and throw with accuracy compared to someone who just has a strong arm. But that’s just me.
 
Pretty sure the Niners had a losing record last season until Purdy took over. Sure, they added CMC a game before Purdy took over as well, but the kid has still done nothing but play very well every opportunity he has been given.
They were actually 8-4 after the Miami game where Purdy came off the bench. They had a 4 game win streak entering that game, which happened to be the first four games with CMC .

But yeah, and to think he doesn't even have a full seasons worth of starts yet, and you can see him getting better and more comfortable/confident every week.

49ers have their franchise QB. They just need to keep him healthy.
 
At what point do you start him over Lamar in FF? I agree he's the real deal, but without rushing yards, is he a #1?

He’s now starting to push Cousins in my lineup. I’m not a fan of flipping a coin every week. If or when I make the change, I’ll stick with Purdy until there is a reason not to do so.
 
From a fantasy standpoint, I wouldn’t call him elite. Shanny is an establish the run kind of coach, so you’ll get plenty of duds. As a fan of the team, that means nothing to me bc I don’t care how many fantasy points he has.

From a real football standpoint, kid makes the right reads, has more than enough zip on the ball, unbelievable poise, and has demonstrated excellent accuracy.

As Wingnut pointed out, anyone still doubting him is in denial. By his 4th or 5th start last season, a good portion of Niners fans had seen enough to know we had our QB. We came into the playoffs SB or bust and were plenty confident it was their year. He got hurt, **** happens. Giants blitzed him 3 out of 4 plays last week, go watch the tape and see how he handles the pressure.

Sincerely,
BrockLover42
 
Had to look it up, was actually almost 85% of drop backs, highest blitz percentage ever recorded. Results:

25/37 310 2/0

That’s how he handled the pressure.
 
Pretty sure the Niners had a losing record last season until Purdy took over. Sure, they added CMC a game before Purdy took over as well, but the kid has still done nothing but play very well every opportunity he has been given.
They were actually 8-4 after the Miami game where Purdy came off the bench. They had a 4 game win streak entering that game, which happened to be the first four games with CMC .

But yeah, and to think he doesn't even have a full seasons worth of starts yet, and you can see him getting better and more comfortable/confident every week.

49ers have their franchise QB. They just need to keep him healthy.
I love Purdy, dude is the perfect QB for this system. That said, I do wonder how much of the offense’s success is due to CMC vs Brock. CMC tilts the field in a way that is hard to measure — sort of the way Steph Curry creates “gravity” on a basketball court. Can’t look past that. But that isn’t a slam on Purdy. He’s playing at a high level.
 
Pretty sure the Niners had a losing record last season until Purdy took over. Sure, they added CMC a game before Purdy took over as well, but the kid has still done nothing but play very well every opportunity he has been given.
They were actually 8-4 after the Miami game where Purdy came off the bench. They had a 4 game win streak entering that game, which happened to be the first four games with CMC .

But yeah, and to think he doesn't even have a full seasons worth of starts yet, and you can see him getting better and more comfortable/confident every week.

49ers have their franchise QB. They just need to keep him healthy.
I love Purdy, dude is the perfect QB for this system. That said, I do wonder how much of the offense’s success is due to CMC vs Brock. CMC tilts the field in a way that is hard to measure — sort of the way Steph Curry creates “gravity” on a basketball court. Can’t look past that. But that isn’t a slam on Purdy. He’s playing at a high level.
This is a great point. And is there another team in football with as many elite weapons on offense as the Niners? But man Brock just seems like the perfect QB for this team. It’s still early but I’m sold.
 
Pretty sure the Niners had a losing record last season until Purdy took over. Sure, they added CMC a game before Purdy took over as well, but the kid has still done nothing but play very well every opportunity he has been given.
They were actually 8-4 after the Miami game where Purdy came off the bench. They had a 4 game win streak entering that game, which happened to be the first four games with CMC .

But yeah, and to think he doesn't even have a full seasons worth of starts yet, and you can see him getting better and more comfortable/confident every week.

49ers have their franchise QB. They just need to keep him healthy.
I love Purdy, dude is the perfect QB for this system. That said, I do wonder how much of the offense’s success is due to CMC vs Brock. CMC tilts the field in a way that is hard to measure — sort of the way Steph Curry creates “gravity” on a basketball court. Can’t look past that. But that isn’t a slam on Purdy. He’s playing at a high level.
It's a combination. We saw what happened when CMC arrived. He absolutely was the piece we didn't know we needed til we got him. Without him, they're still a very good team, but with him they're an elite as a team can be.

It's been said a bunch, but Purdy is the ultimate point guard for this team. Doesn't matter what he would or wouldn't be on another team, it's all about fit and he's a perfect fit for the roster and head coach.

I'm enjoying the ride to the fullest.

:suds:
 
Pretty sure the Niners had a losing record last season until Purdy took over. Sure, they added CMC a game before Purdy took over as well, but the kid has still done nothing but play very well every opportunity he has been given.
They were actually 8-4 after the Miami game where Purdy came off the bench. They had a 4 game win streak entering that game, which happened to be the first four games with CMC .

But yeah, and to think he doesn't even have a full seasons worth of starts yet, and you can see him getting better and more comfortable/confident every week.

49ers have their franchise QB. They just need to keep him healthy.
I love Purdy, dude is the perfect QB for this system. That said, I do wonder how much of the offense’s success is due to CMC vs Brock. CMC tilts the field in a way that is hard to measure — sort of the way Steph Curry creates “gravity” on a basketball court. Can’t look past that. But that isn’t a slam on Purdy. He’s playing at a high level.
It's a combination. We saw what happened when CMC arrived. He absolutely was the piece we didn't know we needed til we got him. Without him, they're still a very good team, but with him they're an elite as a team can be.

It's been said a bunch, but Purdy is the ultimate point guard for this team. Doesn't matter what he would or wouldn't be on another team, it's all about fit and he's a perfect fit for the roster and head coach.

I'm enjoying the ride to the fullest.

:suds:
Please don’t say he’s the Chris Paul of the team…..:🤮
 
His play looks like a young Tom Brady to me.
If he doesn’t get injured on the 1st series of the NFCC, he could’ve already had his first ring.
He wasn't putting up 32 points on that defense. They were a lot more than a healthy Purdy from being in that game.

That said, I'm very impressed with him this year and unfortunately think he could be the real deal.
They didn’t have a QB :lmao:

Pretty tough to win a game with no QB.
 
His play looks like a young Tom Brady to me.
If he doesn’t get injured on the 1st series of the NFCC, he could’ve already had his first ring.
He wasn't putting up 32 points on that defense. They were a lot more than a healthy Purdy from being in that game.

That said, I'm very impressed with him this year and unfortunately think he could be the real deal.
They didn’t have a QB :lmao:

Pretty tough to win a game with no QB.
Don't do it. You'll never convince them.
 
His play looks like a young Tom Brady to me.
If he doesn’t get injured on the 1st series of the NFCC, he could’ve already had his first ring.
He wasn't putting up 32 points on that defense. They were a lot more than a healthy Purdy from being in that game.

That said, I'm very impressed with him this year and unfortunately think he could be the real deal.
They didn’t have a QB :lmao:

Pretty tough to win a game with no QB.
Don't do it. You'll never convince them.
Something tells me we’ll get to see them in January anyways.
 
Pretty sure the Niners had a losing record last season until Purdy took over. Sure, they added CMC a game before Purdy took over as well, but the kid has still done nothing but play very well every opportunity he has been given.
They were actually 8-4 after the Miami game where Purdy came off the bench. They had a 4 game win streak entering that game, which happened to be the first four games with CMC .

But yeah, and to think he doesn't even have a full seasons worth of starts yet, and you can see him getting better and more comfortable/confident every week.

49ers have their franchise QB. They just need to keep him healthy.
I love Purdy, dude is the perfect QB for this system. That said, I do wonder how much of the offense’s success is due to CMC vs Brock. CMC tilts the field in a way that is hard to measure — sort of the way Steph Curry creates “gravity” on a basketball court. Can’t look past that. But that isn’t a slam on Purdy. He’s playing at a high level.

Since CMC started last season, the 49ers have won every game (even with Garoppolo) outside of the NFCCG where Purdy got injured. It's asks a hypothetical though: "Who could the 49ers least afford to lose now - Purdy or CMC?".

Well the answer is CMC, because if you lose Purdy, you have Sam Darnold. You lose CMC, you still have Deebo Samuel.
 
More fun stuff

Highest EPA per Play in Weeks 1-5 (since 2014):

1. 2023 Brock Purdy, 0.517
2. 2015 Ben Roethlisberger, 0.512
3. 2020 Aaron Rodgers, 0.489
4. 2018 Jared Goff, 0.479
5. 2018 Patrick Mahomes, 0.409

Brock Purdy's off to the most efficient start since 2013 Peyton Manning (0.548).
 
More fun stuff

Highest EPA per Play in Weeks 1-5 (since 2014):

1. 2023 Brock Purdy, 0.517
2. 2015 Ben Roethlisberger, 0.512
3. 2020 Aaron Rodgers, 0.489
4. 2018 Jared Goff, 0.479
5. 2018 Patrick Mahomes, 0.409

Brock Purdy's off to the most efficient start since 2013 Peyton Manning (0.548).
So people use EPA to weigh QB's here now?

Edit: Lombardi used to post stuff like this on his twitter that had Garoppolo on par with Mahomes last season. What does it mean? It means someone can put Garoppolo and Mahomes in the same sentence, when they couldn't be further apart.

Especially now.

I get it's a geeky formula for people who want some inside baseball with their NFL, but this doesn't weigh a QB to others historically because EPA measures a whole lot more than a QB.

But if that satiates an appetite, so be it.

I think Purdy is terrific, but he's not Mahomes or Rodgers. If Purdy played like this with a defense ranked below 15 in PA, ok, we have something here.
 
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His play looks like a young Tom Brady to me.
If he doesn’t get injured on the 1st series of the NFCC, he could’ve already had his first ring.
He wasn't putting up 32 points on that defense. They were a lot more than a healthy Purdy from being in that game.

That said, I'm very impressed with him this year and unfortunately think he could be the real deal.
They didn’t have a QB :lmao:

Pretty tough to win a game with no QB.
Never said it wasn't. Purdy doesn't play Defense, and your defense allowed 21 first half points. They weren't gonna win.
 
I’m not going to go back through 15 pages and highlight all the doubt I’m sure is in this thread. I’ve loved the kid since they unleashed him on Miami last season. Some of it was pure hopefulness, homer optimism, and the burning desire to rid the franchise of Jimmy G once and for all, but it’s all coming to fruition.

At this point, all of the doubters should finally capitulate and admit the kid can flat out ball.
He definitely took a step up in my eyes Sunday night. I still think many SF fans have put him TOO HIGH on the pedestal, but there's definitely a lot to like about the kid.
Not the strongest arm, but high side of average.
Not the greatest accuracy, but high side of average.
Occasional bad decision, but average (and still inexperienced!)
Not the most athletic, but high side of average (for a QB obviously)

There isn't a single Qb relevant area he's BAD in, other then maybe stature, and that's a stretch to call it bad.
There's one thing he's far above average in, and it's probably the most important one...poise. He can stare down the rush and deliver an accurate ball. He looks the same on 3rd and long in a tight game as he does on 2nd and short in a blowout.

Still not convinced he's gonna be a perennial all-pro, but he's sold me on "franchise", with some upside to boot given his age
 

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